Only if I could find a woman like that... minus the crazy.

"If you don't eat every 5 hours, your body will go into an anorexic state.."

Ummm.. 

Well it goes to show that just because you eat a raw meat diet, you can still look like shit. haha.

At least they're happy! All that kefir preparation is time consuming tho, I used to make kefir, 15 mins for me daily, but for a whole family with milking and all and eggs and etc yeah...and a farm.


Raw paleo tho isn't time consuming - Get a piece of meat, eat it. Get some suet or animal fat, chop it into bits in about a min, mix it in or eat it. Get some veg chop it up or eat it whole. Eat fruits if you like, tho i'm non fruit. Not time consuming at all.

They will live healthy but they wont enjoy life
The males of the family are very weak and degenerated and the females are unattractive at all...

They are freaks....

  That's not nice. We RAFERS already get enough discrimination , discriminating against our own kind is cruel. They are pretty normal to me. They look fun.

hmm that's interesting. I don't like how they don't give a shit about their kids education. And the kids getting called freaks is obviously bothering them; that's very bad for their mental state as well as their future health.

Someone who does not need the approval of others to feel well about themselves.

Does this really apply to anyone??  We are human, of course we want others to like us, friend us, etc. Some of us more needy than others for attentions, but these kids have nothing but each other and parents.   They won't fit into society unless, like you said, they have some kind of talent to capitalize on.  Obviously the children (or the girl, at least) is bothered by the perception others have of her. I would be too!  I am going to be/eat as healthy as I know, but I'm not announcing to the world my dietary habits anytime soon.   

While a formal education may not be best for all, NO education is not good either.  They are learning ONE trade.  That's it.  I hope they know the history of their country, of the world, learn to apply mathematics.. I hope they have the opportunity to learn (at least) a second language, to understand science, play an instrument or sport, learn to draw, and speak respectably in their own native language.  I hope their curiosities in these areas are not dismissed.  I hope they have friends!

In one of his interviews, Daniel Vitalis spoke of how he envisions raising children as vegans may some day soon be viewed as child abuse, for the simple reason that their bodies are being deprived of key nutrition during the very time they need it most.  Vegan kids will not grow up as healthy as omnivorous kids can potentially be, and their lives will be affected by this forever.

I see the same potential here.  These kids will grow up emotionally and socially stunted.  It is important to have self-esteem that is not dependent on judgements by "experts", but to take away the opportunity to interact with others during formative life stages deprives you of the ability to accept critical comments and to communicate respectfully with people you disagree with.  These kids won't grow up to be dependent on the opinions of teachers and other elders in their community, but will instead grow up to be utterly dependent on the opinions and dictates of their parents.  This is what often happens to kids who grow up in fundamentalist religious families.  They can't function in normal society.  They end up walking around in 40, 50, 60 year old bodies but have the emotional maturity of dependent 10-year olds.  That's why religious people are so easy to manipulate.

While I applaud the parents for giving their children an opportunity to try a raw diet, I think forcing it on them is extreme and should be viewed as child abuse. 

In one of his interviews, Daniel Vitalis spoke of how he envisions raising children as vegans may some day soon be viewed as child abuse, for the simple reason that their bodies are being deprived of key nutrition during the very time they need it most.  Vegan kids will not grow up as healthy as omnivorous kids can potentially be, and their lives will be affected by this forever.

I see the same potential here.  These kids will grow up emotionally and socially stunted.  It is important to have self-esteem that is not dependent on judgements by "experts", but to take away the opportunity to interact with others during formative life stages deprives you of the ability to accept critical comments and to communicate respectfully with people you disagree with.  These kids won't grow up to be dependent on the opinions of teachers and other elders in their community, but will instead grow up to be utterly dependent on the opinions and dictates of their parents.  This is what often happens to kids who grow up in fundamentalist religious families.  They can't function in normal society.  They end up walking around in 40, 50, 60 year old bodies but have the emotional maturity of dependent 10-year olds.  That's why religious people are so easy to manipulate.

While I applaud the parents for giving their children an opportunity to try a raw diet, I think forcing it on them is extreme and should be viewed as child abuse.  

this is really well said.

Personally..why I can't say I am against it completely..I think home schooling in general is a poor idea. Everyone I have met that was home schooled (and these were the people that actually made it to college or whatever) were totally sheltered and socially unprepared for reality. Besides which if the parents themselves are paranoid, thats not exactly a good reason for them to all of a sudden become qualified educators. If people are rich and can afford all kinds of private tutoring in various fields and the children are already genuinely motivated..then sure. The 'school of life' definitely happens getting beat up in the locker room..not milking cows. hehe kidding somewhat.


As for diet I think children should have the right to choose, and yet i've seen even fruitaarians claim their kids have choice but choose what they do...well likely if you are instilling some kind of values on toxins or evils of animal foods then the kids are going to be fairly effected by that in their choices. I would make sure if I was raising my kids to be RAF...which i probably wouldn't... that I would have some non RAF Weston Price or possibly other foods avlaible at all times. There would be some totally restricted things of course as with many households used to do. Anyway, i'm pro PD stuff, but I place alot of blame here on general PD obsessiveness. Alot of the PD protocols are obsessive enough for adults..and if children are already comparitivly healthy..why would they need to be so rigorous or on some specific clock? As long as they are avoiding unhealthy food, and eating healthy food that 99.99% of America doesn't have access to at growth stages...then they should have a good foundation for academics..sports etc...

I was quite stunned to realise that a nation I percived as heavy drinkers, the Italians, were in fact not. Public intoxication seemed to be frowned upon openly. Intoxicated youth were told by strangers to fuck off home and sleep it off. Yet they drink wine almost every day. I imagine that France is not completely unlike this.

Germany is like this as well.


Also, here's an older thread about some of these issues:
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/general-discussion/social-issues-re-raw-animal-food-diets/msg5913/

I don't think we have enough information to decide whether this diet was forced on the kids, or whether they were given a choice. Also, I remember reading somewhere that their son had mild autism symptoms, and they switched to the PD to try to help him.

My nephew is being raised as a vegetarian, and I think it has negatively affected his development.

There is no doubt in my mind that it has. However it is not my place nor yours to make that decision.
Sorry you have to witness such a tragedy occur.
How long has he been a vegetarian?

Have you just recently started to eat raw animal foods?
As your health improves it should be easier to lay to waste most, if not all, of the unreasonable vegetarian arguments. At least he is feeding the boy some animal foods, but I doubt they are raw.