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« on: November 23, 2011, 07:20:05 am »
Hello everyone, this is my first post in this forum and i would like to introduce myself.

My name is Livneet Brar and i am a 21 year old college student. I have struggled with moderate persistent acne for 5-6 years now... and than seborrheic dermatitis for 2 years.

The dermatitis consists of massive dead skin and flaking on my face, with redness.

The acne is pustular/papular and it leaves me with scars (i.e. weird skin tone and raised lesions). I am hoping the paleolithic diet could help me solve my skin issues.

Anyone here ever treat their acne or dermatitis or even rosacea with a paleolithic diet? If so, what exactly did you eat? I am still a little bit confused as to what is allowed on the diet and what is not. There are so many sites dedicated to the paleo diet... but some of them offer differing advice.

Thanks guys.


Edit: i posted this topic in the wrong thread previous... so moderates, feel free to delete the other one! thanks!



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Re: acne and seborrheic dermatitis
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2011, 07:31:06 am »
It sounds like you have an immune system problem.  I recommend Getting sunlight, vitamin D softgel tablets, and a high fat diet, particularly good quality raw fats like fatty raw fish, raw coconut oil, and avocado.  If that doesn't work, I've had friends say that juicing helped their skin.  Of course, a raw or nearly-all-raw diet will probably also help somewhat.

What is your diet like now?

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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2011, 08:09:04 am »
It sounds like you have an immune system problem.  I recommend Getting sunlight, vitamin D softgel tablets, and a high fat diet, particularly good quality raw fats like fatty raw fish, raw coconut oil, and avocado.  If that doesn't work, I've had friends say that juicing helped their skin.  Of course, a raw or nearly-all-raw diet will probably also help somewhat.

What is your diet like now?

thanks for the response. I should also mention that i took oral antibiotics (doxycycline hyclate 100mg 2x a day for 5 months) because a dermatologist wanted to use that to control my acne. I believe it worsened the situation.

Right now i just started a paleo diet, which consists of organic eggs, organic chicken/steak/meats.. walnuts/almonds.. fruits/veggies (what type of fruits/veggies should i be eating?) I also eat fish (mahi mahi/salmon). IT is all organic.


Prior to this, i ate mainly an indian diet (asian indian) which consists of kidney beans, wheat, garbanzo beans, veggies, and some dairy.

What type of foods does a high fat diet have?

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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2011, 09:51:21 am »
Pre-RPD diet, I used to have  some nasty skin problems, mostly involving inflammation. I had a vaccine-scar on my left arm which caused slight irritation/pain if I slept on it, I also would get reddened, inflamed areas all over my skin and would sunburn easily. I managed to resolve all these by cutting out all dairy and going in for raw meats. Took me a few months to sort out those particular issues.

A high fat diet will consist of things like raw tongue, raw lamb/mutton musclemeat, raw suet and the like - perhaps even raw avocado. I would not advise eating  cooked-meats/fats, as cooked foods are well-known to cause inflammation in general, and your issues seem to be related to that, to some extent.
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Re: acne and seborrheic dermatitis
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2011, 10:20:11 am »
Anyone here ever treat their acne or dermatitis or even rosacea with a paleolithic diet? If so, what exactly did you eat?
Yes, and some of my decades-old acne scars and lesions (sometimes painful and/or cystic) even healed, which shocked the hell out of me. How it's possible, I have no idea. There's no guarantee that this will work for you, of  course. So far I've found that I fare best on foods that are edible raw--fertilized eggs, grassfed/wild meats/fish/organs, animal and fish fats, berries, fresh figs, greens, organic carrots, naturally fermented sauerkraut (which took some time for my digestive system to be able to digest well), etc. I eat the highest quality foods possible--grassfed, organic, wild, the best tasting, etc. For me, for whatever reason, the most beneficial food was raw grassfed suet. Other people say they can't stand it. For me it doesn't taste great but it makes me feel fantastic. To each their own. Bless up and good luck.
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2011, 02:34:20 pm »
Wait, so i cannot cook any of these meats at all (i usually grill them)?

How is it even possible to eat these meats raw?

Also... i am not 100 percent sure, but i might have either gram negative folliculitis from the antibiotics... or some version of folliculitis. Would a paleo diet help with such things?


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« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2011, 02:34:41 pm »
Wait, so i cannot cook any of these meats at all (i usually grill them)?

How is it even possible to eat these meats raw?

Also... i am not 100 percent sure, but i might have either gram negative folliculitis from the antibiotics... or some version of folliculitis. Would a paleo diet help with such things?

hey paleophil, did you ever happen to take oral antibiotics for your acne?


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Re: acne and seborrheic dermatitis
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2011, 02:54:31 pm »
Wait, so i cannot cook any of these meats at all (i usually grill them)?

How is it even possible to eat these meats raw?

Also... i am not 100 percent sure, but i might have either gram negative folliculitis from the antibiotics... or some version of folliculitis. Would a paleo diet help with such things?


  Grilling is about the most harmful form of cooking there is, causing the highest amounts of toxins to form via heat.

It is relatively easy to get used to eating raw meats, the fast and the slow way. Here's some info re this:-

http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/important-info-for-newbies/sticky-advice-for-newbies-wishing-to-slowly-ease-into-a-raw-animal-food-diet/

http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/important-info-for-newbies/where-to-buy-cheap-raw-animal-food(please-don't-post-in-this-thread!)/


http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/important-info-for-newbies/info-on-toxins-in-cooked-foods/

Also, a cooked-palaeodiet is unlikely to help deal with harm caused by antibiotics. After all, antibiotics help kill off bacteria, causing side-effects. Only bacteria-rich raw foods would help.

You won't perhaps like this, but it would probably be even more effective to eat "high-meat" which has even higher amounts of bacteria in it than fresh, raw meats. You should only try this after becoming fully used to eating fresh, raw meats.

http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/display-your-culinary-creations/high-meat-recipe-preparation-for-more-advanced-rafers/

Incidentally, we all go through an initial phase, as newbies to this diet, where we irrationally believe we will die from food-poisoning or some other nonsense. After sticking to the diet for some months, we all start realising that this is all a load of rubbish, as we start healing etc.
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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2011, 04:21:48 pm »
The sound of eating raw animal food scares me so much.

There is no way to cook these meats without damaging it?

I mean there has to be a way?

Did you take antibiotics yourself sir?

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Re: acne and seborrheic dermatitis
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2011, 05:21:00 pm »
    I've taken antibiotics.

    The least toxin causing way to cook is simmering in water.  You can start eating less toxic meat by not grilling but boiling or steaming instead, or a long cooked bone soup.  Once you've detoxed a little, skip to raw, fermented raw much later.  Fermented raw meat is so great for healing.

    There's pemmican, ... plain raw meats are best for healing though, over drying, freezing, cooking etc.

    I've eaten every kind of diet for long periods of time.  I did beans, rice, vegetables and milk like you.  Raw animal food diet is the healthiest of them all.

    I used to have terrible acne, and I had acne that lasted into my late thirties from childhood.  Now since eating RAFs for a few years all my acne scars are gone, I am not wrinkled, and people can't believe I had skin trouble nor my age.
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2011, 05:26:51 pm »
The sound of eating raw animal food scares me so much.

There is no way to cook these meats without damaging it?

I mean there has to be a way?

Did you take antibiotics yourself sir?
I never took antibiotics for any specific skin-problems. I did take antibiotics ,many years ago, when I had a severe case of the flu, once. It was a disaster, I was forced to vomit all over the place, and felt like death.

As far as cooking is concerned, boiling in water is "less worse" than other forms of cooking, and one can go in for longer periods of cooking at lower temperatures(ie "slow-cooking"), but these are not ideal. I am not stating that eating cooked-palaeodiet will never ever help against acne and similiar skin-conditions, it's just that raw foods, especially raw animal foods, are way more effective in removing those conditions, as raw foods do not cause inflammation in the way cooked foods do. Since your issue appears to have been caused by antiobiotics, it makes sense to eat bacteria-rich foods to compensate for the antibiotics killing off the bacteria.
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Re: acne and seborrheic dermatitis
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2011, 05:29:43 pm »
    I was actually thinking earlier today, after so many wonderful experiences with highmeats I've had, that if I should ever "need an antibiotic", I'd be better off treating with highmeats.

    Think about it.  People "need antibiotics" when their "good" and "bad" bacterias are in unbalanced ratios to each other.  Highmeats have such wonderful bacteria and prebiotic etc, it should straighten those situations out better.

Since your issue appears to have been caused by antiobiotics, it makes sense to eat bacteria-rich foods to compensate for the antibiotics killing off the bacteria.

    I was on antibiotics regularly throughout 50% of my single digit childhood years, and regularly on multiple antibiotics concurrently straight through almost half of my teen years.

    The fear of raw meat goes away once you're eating it.  You feel so well, there's no more room for fear.  Get your good fats!  I'm taking a marrow :P break now.
   
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Re: acne and seborrheic dermatitis
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2011, 07:51:19 pm »
hey paleophil, did you ever happen to take oral antibiotics for your acne?
Yes and I think they contributed to my gut problems. A Paleo diet is the only thing that completely got rid of my acne, with raw Paleo working best. Even on raw Paleo I had to restrict my carbs severely too for a while to avoid breakouts, but then I found I could eat fermented raw honey without triggering the acne and as I ate it over time my tolerance for carbs gradually increased, with the fermented honey being my best-tolerated carby food. Now I probably eat more carbs than TylerDurden.
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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 04:58:36 pm »
thanks for the responses everyone, i really appreciate it.

Rawzi, what type of antibiotics were you on for acne? Did these antibiotics worsen your acne? Did they cause any other skin issues?

Also, did you suffer any indented scarring from ur acne? Did the indents fade too with the paleo (i am talking shallow indents).

Paleophil, when you say antibiotics contributed to your gut problems... do you mean contributed to your acne as well (i.e. worsened it once u stopped taking them)?

I am so new to this paleo thing that i just do not know where to start.

I am assuming i should start by eating meats that are boiled first, or steamed.... than moving to raw fermented meats?

Can someone link me to a page telling me exactly what i am allowed to eat (meats/veggies/fruits/nuts etc etc)? I would be very obliged.

Also, how exactly does raw meat (steak/chicken etc etc) taste like?

Last but not least, is eating eggs once a day (3 eggs) bad? I usually either boil the eggs, or cook them with olive oil

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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 05:00:58 pm »
I never took antibiotics for any specific skin-problems. I did take antibiotics ,many years ago, when I had a severe case of the flu, once. It was a disaster, I was forced to vomit all over the place, and felt like death.

As far as cooking is concerned, boiling in water is "less worse" than other forms of cooking, and one can go in for longer periods of cooking at lower temperatures(ie "slow-cooking"), but these are not ideal. I am not stating that eating cooked-palaeodiet will never ever help against acne and similiar skin-conditions, it's just that raw foods, especially raw animal foods, are way more effective in removing those conditions, as raw foods do not cause inflammation in the way cooked foods do. Since your issue appears to have been caused by antiobiotics, it makes sense to eat bacteria-rich foods to compensate for the antibiotics killing off the bacteria.

bacteria rich foods? Such as meats (any meat?)

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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2011, 05:02:26 pm »
Also guys... this is kind of random, but.... is it normal that i feel guilty everyday that it feels as if i caused my acne? I am 21 years old... but i feel as if my diet (which is high in asian indian food) and junk food 2-3 times a week caused my skin issues... and than the antibiotics on top of it worsened it.

I feel very guilty/sad everyday... most people my age eat w/e the hell they want, and now i am going to have to make lifestyle changes (and i am very willing to do so)

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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2011, 05:03:20 pm »
bacteria rich foods? Such as meats (any meat?)
  Fresh, raw meats contain some bacteria. Once you get used to eating fresh, raw meats you should try ingesting "high-meats" as they are even more filled with bacteria.
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2011, 08:08:45 pm »
tests, there's a newbie section if you look carefully on the main board index. That should have enough reading and priming material to keep you busy for a while. But don't be afraid, start off with more commonly accepted raw fatty foods like avocados, whole raw coconut flesh, raw grassfed dairy if you can find it, sashimi from wild caught fish, etc... then start adding whatever raw meats are most palatable to your worldview. Later you can add things that the rest of the world sees as very dangerous like raw fowl, raw shellfish and so on.. Also if you're coming from a SAD diet, and it sounds like you are, then you'll probably want to drink lots of home juiced green veggie juices. Base them with celery, cilantro, parsley and then add other non root veggies.

This is all a personal journey, we can give you guidelines but no two people's genes and environmental factors are exactly the same and that's what will dictate your body's needs.
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2011, 08:12:34 pm »
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Paleophil, when you say antibiotics contributed to your gut problems... do you mean contributed to your acne as well (i.e. worsened it once u stopped taking them)?
No I mean IBS, poor digestion, malabsorption.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2011, 09:19:32 pm »
.... is it normal that i feel guilty everyday that it feels as if i caused my acne? I am 21 years old... but i feel as if my diet (which is high in asian indian food) and junk food 2-3 times a week caused my skin issues... and than the antibiotics on top of it worsened it.

I feel very guilty/sad everyday... most people my age eat w/e the hell the

    Like heals like, some say that, and I find that true when I test it so far, better than other things. You feel guilt? That is said to be stomach chakra. I would best eat raw 'green' 'honeycomb' tripe. Acne is said to come from congested colon, kidneys, nervousness, thyroid disease and liver. I would try raw grassfed brain, liver, kidney, thyroid, adrenal and intestine. I'd go as slow as I needed, asking questions all the way if need be.
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« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2011, 11:48:17 pm »
tests, there's a newbie section if you look carefully on the main board index. That should have enough reading and priming material to keep you busy for a while. But don't be afraid, start off with more commonly accepted raw fatty foods like avocados, whole raw coconut flesh, raw grassfed dairy if you can find it, sashimi from wild caught fish, etc... then start adding whatever raw meats are most palatable to your worldview. Later you can add things that the rest of the world sees as very dangerous like raw fowl, raw shellfish and so on.. Also if you're coming from a SAD diet, and it sounds like you are, then you'll probably want to drink lots of home juiced green veggie juices. Base them with celery, cilantro, parsley and then add other non root veggies.

This is all a personal journey, we can give you guidelines but no two people's genes and environmental factors are exactly the same and that's what will dictate your body's needs.

Thanks i will read that.

What is a SAD diet?

Also, i realize no two peoples genes and bodies are the same, but i have read on acne.org how a ton of people were treated of their acne by just going on a paleo diet(cooked paleo, not raw)

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« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2011, 11:49:46 pm »
    Like heals like, some say that, and I find that true when I test it so far, better than other things. You feel guilt? That is said to be stomach chakra. I would best eat raw 'green' 'honeycomb' tripe. Acne is said to come from congested colon, kidneys, nervousness, thyroid disease and liver. I would try raw grassfed brain, liver, kidney, thyroid, adrenal and intestine. I'd go as slow as I needed, asking questions all the way if need be.

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Re: acne and seborrheic dermatitis
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2011, 05:28:53 am »
SAD is the Standard American Diet.

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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2011, 04:20:04 pm »
here are some photos:

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/index.php/topic/297640-the-timehealsall-megathread/page__st__1140

scroll all the way to the bottom where it says:

"new pics, i cannot figure out how to get rid of these lesions/bumps" Than it shows the photos i linked.

I cannot post them on this website for some reason

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Re: acne and seborrheic dermatitis
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2011, 05:42:46 pm »
Higher carb intake give me the most problems with acne and inflammation. Even certain raw fruits.
The only diet where my acne is completely clear, is very low carb, and high fat. High fat just means most of my calories coming from fat. Some people get confused with high fat diets. Since fat has twice as many calories as meat, it shouldn't visual look like its dominating your diet. But in calories it will.

See, everyone is different. Some have no acne no matter what. But get other issues regarding high carb diets.

For me, semi sweet fruits give me no problems though. Everyone is different, but I do well with blackberries and raspberries. Especially fresh cranberries my stop signal is very good. And other wild fruits. The more genetically modified from natural a food is, the more problems I seem to have with it.

Cooked meat gives me some issues, especially when grain fed. But not nearly as much problems as high amounts of raw honey, or lost of carbs from dried fruit etc. Nuts, even raw, give me more problems than rare meats.

But, the more cooked the meat is, the more problems I have. So rare meats may maybe something you ought to try. Just cook the meat less and less, until you finally just eat it raw once in a while.
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