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Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« on: August 04, 2017, 05:11:05 am »
Does anyone know the science behind tooth decay and tooth yellowing? I'm curious to know:

1. What is the chemical/mechanical process that causes teeth to develop cavities? Is it something that bacteria are releasing when digesting certain foods which erodes the tooth? If so, which foods? Or is it something else?

2. same question concerning yellowing of teeth, which seems to be an independent process.

3. how to battle tooth decay and tooth yellowing the paleo way? Avoid certain foods, eat more of others, brush with some specific substance, don't brush with other specific substances...?



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Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2017, 11:48:54 am »
The acid from bacteria is what causes teeth to rot. Once tarter starts to form the bacteria underneath it are free to produce all the acid they want because they are protected.

for my teeth I use a 50% saturated solution of borax and water. I just put as much borax as will dissolve leaving some on the bottom in a huge bottle, fill my waterpick up half way with it and fill it the rest of the way with warm water. Sometimes I brush my teeth with clay.

Tooth decay has a lot to do with diet.

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Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2017, 02:07:29 pm »
I rarely bother to brush my teeth and my teeth are now very hard and set into their sockets. Prior to going rawpalaeo, they were so loose they were almost on the verge of falling off, so that I was forced to eat very soft foods around that time, or lose my teeth. I do use chemical toothpaste and just  swill it around in my mouth, but usually only prior to some important social engagement.
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Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2017, 02:47:58 pm »
My teeth feel much better since going raw but sometimes my gums still get sore when I eat a lot of jerky. How long did it take for your teeth to tighten up after going raw?

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Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2017, 03:06:55 pm »
My teeth feel much better since going raw but sometimes my gums still get sore when I eat a lot of jerky. How long did it take for your teeth to tighten up after going raw?
My teeth became rock-hard 4 months after cutting out all raw dairy from my RVAF diet.
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2017, 06:40:54 pm »
Anyone have ideas for dissolving tartar and plaque?
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Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2017, 08:51:24 pm »
Pages 178-179 of INSTINCTOTHERAPY - Instinctive Raw Paleolithic Nutrition by GCB which I can still send on pdf to interested members who ask me and provide me their e-mail address.

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I always thought that tooth decay was due to the onslaught of germs.
o Apparently, things are a bit more complex than that. Some forty different kinds of bacteria cleave to tooth surfaces as a highly stable sticky layer that consists of a binding substance, known as intergerminal matrix, i.e. dental plaque.
_So, those bacteria attack our enamel, don’t they?
o That was the initial thinking. Unfortunately, although dental plaque is always there (it even stands up to brushing and toothpastes), it turns out that sometimes holes hollow out and sometimes don’t. It’s anybody’s guess why.
_I suppose you have some idea.
o Doctors overlook the presence of abnormal molecules in body tissues, which is why it makes sense to investigate that field.
For one thing, why is it that tooth surface is always covered by germs: is it unrelenting effort by the germ world to destroy our teeth and gums? Nature lying in wait for the slightest deficiency of ours to strike us off the biosphere, that is well in line with Pasteur’s theory!
_Goodness, you’ve got your teeth into Pasteur!
o Oh no! How could I not have a soft spot for him since he discovered germs: on instinctotherapy, germs are popular.
_Sounds as clear as dishwater.
o If dental plaque is a constant factor, isn’t that a good reason for thinking that the body needs it for some specific purpose, not to ruin our teeth but to protect them from corrosive molecules contributed by foods?
_What then, is tooth decay due to?
o Teeth are living structures, fed by the blood that flows through root canals (nerve and vessels). However, there are no vessels in the dentin tubules, which is the white substance that forms the basis of the tooth. The nutrient molecules percolate from the center outwards.
Now, suppose the blood is ferrying partly metabolized abnormal molecules, for instance Maillard’s molecules from food or fragments of partly digested protein. Even should the amount of those alien molecules remain very low, in time they will fix into the dentin, rather like dirt in a filter. They will build up in pet areas where it is trickiest for them to get to, and possibly all the way into the enamel (which incorporates a number of complex organic molecules they will presumably couple with).
_I understand your idea. The bacteria from dental plaque could then attack the molecules deposited in the tooth, and mistake them for the molecules to be cleared that originate from the outside.
o Yes, that’s the idea I’m putting forward. Tooth decay may be considered an auto-immune disease, in the broad sense of the term. The bacteria normally used by our immune system to destroy the dangerous molecules present in our oral cavity would attack our own dental tissues congested with similar molecules brought by the blood following our dietary mistakes.
In usual auto-immune diseases, white blood cells turn against one’s own cells. In this particular case, the actual bacteria are deflected from their normal function by the presence of abnormal molecules in the dentin.
_I always thought that our immune system aimed at destroying germs, but it sounds as though you are saying that it uses them.
o Sorry, I was forgetting. We haven’t yet touched on that subject.
Cause and effect are distant in time and space in complex systems, while at the same time there’s a tendency to look for causes near the events sought to be explained. Time delays in feedback in systems result in the condition where the long-run response of a system to an action is often different from its short-run response. — Ronald J. Ziegler

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Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2017, 12:39:31 am »
Anyone have ideas for dissolving tartar and plaque?

As someone who had a lot of plaque and doesn't I wish I could remember what specifically stopped it from forming. It was right around the time I started taking vitamin K but I've stopped taking it a long time ago and plaque hasn't returned. I took the menatetrenone 15000 mcg huge dose tablets if that's any help! I bought a dental pick off ebay and I used to pull tons of tartar off but only find a very small piece every year or so. Dental plaque is very serious. Plaque on your teeth is a sign of plaque in your arteries! Vitamin d works in conjunction with vitamin K. I read that It's ok to take k without d but not the other way around. Together they remove calcium from where it doesn't belong and deposit it where it does. Sunshine and cod liver oil are the best sources of vitamin D. Now that I think about it I only recently stopped taking cod liver oil and stopped the K quite some time before that. Maybe I still have tons of it stored up in my body. I honestly don't know. Could even be totally unrelated.

My teeth used to have yellow and brown stains too. I suspected it was from iodine or coffee. Stopped taking both (coffee only recently). The borax brightened them up pretty well. I read it's very bad for you but I think that's all bunk. Best I could tell it was because boron is supposed to be toxic. News flash it's not! (Yeah anything is toxic if you take to much of it.) Boron is deficient in over 90% of us and is needed to build strong bones and teeth. You wont get too much from brushing your teeth with it. It's a hundred times less toxic than fluoride and they put that in every single brand of tooth paste I've ever seen. I swear what's wrong with the people in charge these days?

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Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2017, 12:46:49 am »
Oh yeah. I remember when I first started taking vitamin K how smooth it made my teeth feel. Be sure and get 15mg tablets or capsules if you want to give it a try. The 200mcg ones they sell do nothing.

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Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2017, 12:58:33 am »
Was thinking again. ( Could become dangerous.) I stopped taking vitamin K (and all supplements) about the time I started taking raw organ meats (nearly two years ago). Maybe that could have something to do with tartar not reoccurring?

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Re: Science of Tooth Yellowing and Decay
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2017, 04:15:16 am »
Pages 178-179 of INSTINCTOTHERAPY - Instinctive Raw Paleolithic Nutrition by GCB which I can still send on pdf to interested members who ask me and provide me their e-mail address.


Hot dang. That's the kind of detail I'm looking for. PM'ed - please do send. I find it fascinating how little we understand the basic things in life.