I heard that the raw sap which comes out of the tree is watery and not very sweet. To make maple syrup, this sap is boiled down to concentrate the sugar. Maybe ask a small-scale producer if you can buy the raw sap.

This guy also has a poorly-researched video about the "germ theory":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyodvwxe4mE&feature=player_embedded

Bechamp was an "insect biologist"? Where did he get this from? I've read a lot about Bechamp. Silkworm disease is just one of the many things that Bechamp studied. Many of his other experiments had nothing to do with insects. He was a professor of chemistry and pharmacology at Montpellier university.

And Pasteur's recanting of the germ theory is not a fabrication. He may not have literally said it on his deathbed, but he did say it shortly before his death, and it has been documented. See the book "Antoine Bechamp: l'homme et le savant" by Marie Nonclercq.

Finally, if this guy had bothered to do any serious research, he would have found irrefutable proof that Pasteur plagiarized Bechamp's work, and that it is Bechamp who should rightly be called the father of microbiology.

So this Matt Stone guy hammers on metabolism and body temperature.
Ideal body temp is 37 degrees celcius?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_human_body_temperature

I think that his ideas are a lot better than the conventional advice to count calories, exercise, and starve yourself.

However, I get the impression that his message is primarily intended for people who want to lose weight to "look good", rather than people who want to become truly healthy. Being fat is a good thing, not a bad thing. It's useful to be able to survive for a while without food. (For example, when travelling, and good-quality food is unavailable). It's nice to be able to wear comfortable light clothing in the middle of winter when everybody else is bundled up head to toe. And most important of all, fat protects you from the toxins in today's polluted world.

A cooked zero carb blogger experiences low body temperature and is corrected by going on high everything diet.  He says he has to eat crow now.

What do you mean by "eat crow"?
There are many wrong ways to do zero carb (too much cooking, not enough organs, too much grain-fed meat, etc). A "high everything diet" might have solved his problems, but I doubt that it was the only possible solution.

I'm thinking, how are we raw paleo dieters doing at this metabolism game?

How are you doing with this body temp thing?

Have you taken body temp readings?

Just wondering how this allegedly low metabolism for cooked low carb diets affect raw paleos.

I do know the use of raising metabolism / body temp for healing sick people, even on cooked, as used by my friend and cancer healer Vander Gaditano.

For what it's worth, I just took my body temperature (under tongue), and got 98.0 degF. It's late at night, and I've been sedentary, and haven't eaten much, for the past 4-5 hours. My carb intake varies. Sometimes very low, sometimes very high. Today my carbs came from a litre of raw apple juice, one plum, and a small amount of honey. I also had a pound of beef, suet to taste, about 20 eggs, about 1 cup cheese, and 2 cups vegetable juice.

Body temperature can provide useful information, but I don't think it should be used as an indicator of overall health. If you don't have any symptoms of poor health, I don't see why an abnormally low or high body temperature is a bad thing.

Aajonus uses hot baths to temporarily raise body temperature, and get the body to sweat.

I always keep a supply of the following things on hand:
unheated honey, raw apple cider vinegar, terramin clay

they are useful in situations where you are not well enough to eat normal food. Much better than going to the hospital, getting antibiotics, and being lectured by doctors that raw meat is "dangerous".

A long time ago, I ate raw supermarket meat for a while, including chicken and pork, to see how bad it really is. Sometimes I got itchy skin, bumps on skin that look and itch like mosquito bites, and nausea. Had diarrhea once or twice, but it never lasted more than a day. This was quite early in my raw paleo adventure, and I think my system wasn't fully adapted to raw meat. (I say this because I occasionally also got these symptoms from good-quality meat). I suspect that if I were to repeat this experiment today, I would be able to eat supermarket meat without such bad reactions.

Now I get diarrhea only if I do something stupid like eat 2 cups of coconut cream at once, or tons of fruit after a meat meal. It didn't take long to learn not to do these things.

If I do have diarrhea, I found that it's pointless to consume anything other than honey, or ACV, or clay, or water, until the diarrhea subsides. Even if you're underweight, eating won't help if the food goes through you unabsorbed.

Regarding the claim about fast aging: a big factor which probably contributes to this, is the harsh environment in which the Eskimos live.

The article is right that most of human evolution took place in Africa, and not northern climates. But we've been eating meat in Africa for a very long time. Loren Cordain, Boyd Eaton, and Staffan Lindeberg have written a lot about this topic, and say that we've been hunting for 1-2 million years.

The undeniable fact is, that in the long term, most if not all vegans become malnourished. This evidence is 1000x stronger than any anthropology or ethnology studies. It's clear that humans have adapted to meat, to the point that lack of meat leads to poor health. We may not need to eat a lot of meat, but we definitely need some animal products, and anybody who thinks otherwise is simply deluded.

Some above-average butcher shops in Toronto that I know of:

Cumbrae's
The Healthy Butcher
Rowe Farms
Bloor Meat Market (they have some organic meat, but not a lot)

Rowe Farms often have organs, marrow bones, and suet in their freezer.

Also, if you like fish, there's a good fishmonger, called Snapper's Fish Market, somewhere between Jane & Bloor and Runnymede & Bloor. His prices are high, and he only has the best-quality fish.

And if you don't mind getting your hands dirty, you can get fresh Canada goose at the waterfront

Is "PD" supposed to be an acronym for "Paleo Diet"? Your poll is a bit confusing, because "PD" can also be an acronym for "Primal Diet".

I did some bodybuilding in the past on Raw Paleo, and went from a scrawny 120lbs to a much healthier 160lbs. I would like to eventually start bodybuilding again in the future, but I keep putting it off. In the summer, I find it much more fun to do outdoor sports such as bike riding.

I've seen and eaten these things. They're definitely not "a different kind of fat". They don't taste like fat at all. They taste like some kind of gland or organ. I don't know what they are, but intuitively I think that they're good to eat.

If Lady Gaga would start eating raw meat, than this diet could skyrocket in popularity. No scientific paper would be able to promote it better than that.

That's true, but do we really want this kind of popularity? Raw paleo would be called a "dangerous celebrity fad weight-loss diet". I'd be happier if someone like Loren Cordain or Gary Taubes or Barry Groves or Mark Sisson started promoting raw meat.

Nice photos. I also gather most fruits instead of buying them. I recently found an apple tree in a park, and gathered lots of apples, much more than what I can eat. I'm planning to make apple cider vinegar. When I cut open the apples, a black insect with pinchers often runs out (I don't know what it's called), I have to be careful not to get pinched

Has anybody made ACV before? I figure that I can just bottle fresh raw apple juice, and let it ferment all the way. Or is it more complicated?

I think I'm going to stick with the grass-fed ground beef.  these corn-fed beef strips suck.

also my acne doesn't seem to be going away much anymore.  I'm still getting it, and the blemishes still aren't healing.  I don't know why I still keep getting so much acne even while I'm eating raw.  I hate it.  I stopped the dairy, so that can't be the cause.  I stopped fruit before, and still got acne, so that wasn't the cause.  What is it?!?!  Does my meat cause it?!?!  Should I stop eating meat and try only dairy and fruit?!?  Should I become a raw vegan and whither away and see if that works?!?!  I don't get it.  What is wrong with my stupid face?!  I hate my skin!  >\

Be patient. Rome wasn't built in a day. Some benefits of a healthy diet are immediate, but others take much longer. The "Wai Diet" (fruit eggs and fish -- www.waisays.com) claims to cure acne in a very short time, so you can try that if you want.

You might learn some interesting things about acne from that website. If I recall correctly, some of their tips for curing acne are:
-- if you cheat, eat low-protein food. Cooked/processed protein, and even frozen protein, can make acne worse.
-- too much protein, even if raw, can make acne worse.

I came to Raw Paleo via this "Wai Diet", and found that in the long term, and especially in the winter, I do better on more meat and less fruit.

More to the point, the Pottenger experiment was hopelessly flawed and wholly disohonest as its whole point was to try to mistakenly prove that raw cow's dairy was somehow supposedly healthy for cats. That was why they deliberately did not do an experiment comparing cats being fed on a 100% raw-meat-diet to cats being fed on mostly raw dairy as they knew the cats on the 1o00% raw meat diet would be much healthier.

The only thing that the Pottenger experiment proved was that if taurine wasn't present in the diet, cats quickly became degenerated to the point of infertility/birth-defects etc. and cooking was shown to destroy taurine in foods. That was it.

Not a stretch at all. Any decent scientist would naturally have included an experiment comparing cats fed on an all-raw-meat-diet to ones fed on 100% raw-milk diet. The very fact that this rather  obvious scientific experiment was never carried out can only be due to either Pottenger being hopelessly incompetent as a scientist, in which case much of his evidence is highly questionable, or an outright fraud who was, shamefully, trying to pretend that raw milk was as or more healthy for cats than raw meats.

The claim is not that raw cow milk is a COMPLETE food for cats (it is too low in taurine), but that it is merely a HEALTHY food.

Analogy: You'll probably agree with me that raw fruit and raw meat are both healthy foods for humans, but that a diet of too much fruit and not enough meat leads to sub-optimal health. (I'm not trying to start an argument with zero-carbers. This is specifically addressed to Tyler who eats fruit).

I agree that Pottenger probably knew that a diet of too much raw cow milk, and not enough raw meat, did not lead to optimally healthy cats. The main focus of Pottenger's experiment was not the comparison of milk to meat, but the comparison of raw food to processed food. Pottenger wanted all cats to get at least some raw food (the idea being, that raw food may counter some of the negative effects of the processed food being tested, and slow down the degeneration). That's why he used mixed meat+milk diets, instead of all-meat or all-milk.  This was not some kind of conspiracy to hide the fact that meat is better than cow milk for cats.

Pottenger spent ten years doing experiments, which involved very many cats. If he wanted to compare 100% raw meat to 100% raw milk diets, he would have needed even more time and resources. He had to make some choices about what experiments to do.

This is an absurd claim as there are plenty of dairy-intolerant people around the world who have not gone in for junk foods for most of their lives, going in for home-cooking or whatever.

Some people report bad symptoms from raw dairy, even if they consume it in small amounts, much less than 1/3 of their diet. This has me wondering -- if raw dairy, even in small amounts, is so bad for humans, it should be even worse for cats, and other mammals, who have no evolutionary experience with dairy. But in feeding experiments where raw milk is added to a mammal's healthy diet, problems do not show up. I find this quite puzzling.

The only explanation that I can think of, is that raw-dairy-intolerance is caused by the unnatural environment in which humans have been living. Maybe it goes further back than the last few generations which grew up on industrial food. "home-cooking or whatever" may not be as bad as industrial food, but eating cooked whole foods (grain in particular) is unnatural, and I suspect that it leads to raw dairy intolerance.

If you do not agree with this, then how do you explain that raw dairy does not cause problems in animal feeding experiments?


Finally, I am appalled at the language you use to describe Pottenger. The man spent countless years contributing to human knowledge, and has many publications. Have you read all his scientific papers? I'm talking about the original papers, not the book "Pottenger's Cats". They probably contain detailed explanations and rationales for why he chose the diets that he did, and why he focused on the experiments that he did. Until you read those papers, you have no right to judge him, and call him "incompetent" or "fraud".