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Health / Re: Depression success stories?
« on: June 01, 2012, 03:09:24 pm »
Quote from: Charlie4444 on June 01, 2012, 02:54:09 pm
What about store bought butter?
Eating butter seems to give me a little fat to my body (A good thing!)  but i tend to get weird little bumps, acne on my face or body.  Raw butter is just too expensive and burdensome to get, and people really start to hate you for being such an extreme eater.

I've seen cultured butter in supermarket, which probably also made from pasteurised milk though. Not sure how much worse pasteurised fermented products are. I guess if lactobacteria prospers in such environment it shouldn't be that bad :)

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Drifting toward a better, more natural me
« on: June 01, 2012, 01:26:33 pm »
Yes, roast pork and potatoes is not the best food, especially if eaten almost exclusively.  But.. not the worst definitely and it is actually paleo.

For me the worst things were fresh milk, wheat and legumes. By removing them fixed 80 percent of problems.

As for sleep, I really miss siesta and feel like I don't get enough sleep at night due to artificial lightning. Biphasic sleep seems natural to me but even one nap a day hard to maintain.

Ah, sour cream and fermented foods. They are lifesavers. Must have.

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Health / Re: Depression success stories?
« on: June 01, 2012, 12:56:31 pm »
Did anything happen three years ago to destroy your intestinal flora? Appendectomy or heavy course of antibiotics?

Anyway I noticed on myself that having healthy flora is crucial. The source of friendly bacteria is fermented vegetables (pickles), milk (yoghurt, kefir, sourcream, cheese). High meat is basically fermented meat rich in bacteria that fixes your guts, this is funny how much influence guts have on brain :)


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Welcoming Committee / Re: Drifting toward a better, more natural me
« on: June 01, 2012, 12:40:28 pm »
Potato and roast pork don't sound too bad to me :)
Hm, do you have any information about polyphasic sleep being used during paleo times or by modern tribes?


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Primal Diet / Re: Questions about Primal Diet
« on: May 15, 2012, 07:06:51 am »
Quote from: reyyzl on May 14, 2012, 09:34:04 pm
You're saying that Owanza, Aajonus, and her teenage child had a romantic relationship all together?

I don't know CarnivorousApe, have you asked Aajonus for the medical records?

The book I read didn't say anything about Owanza child. So it's unknown for me what relationship the child had with who.
Do you think I should ask AV for medical records? Probably the only thing he is waiting for is my request.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Does instincto lead to overeating?
« on: May 11, 2012, 11:10:28 am »
Interesting. Manufactured cat food would definitely lead to consequences.

In my experiences cats do get fat even on the raw food, especially before winter. Maybe it has to do with the type of raw food they are fed. Do you feed your cat mostly with muscle meat or organs and fish?

This guy shares his experience about leopards:

http://www.2ndchance.info/bigcatdiet.htm

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Feeding as much as the cat will eat leads to obesity.

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Primal Diet / Re: Questions about Primal Diet
« on: May 10, 2012, 01:28:17 pm »
Quote from: reyyzl on May 10, 2012, 01:03:43 pm
I believe Owanza was a married adult with a teenage child when the story began.

As far as I understood they had romantic relationship with AV which was ended with deathcap mushroom.. Tragic. But the question remains - why not disclose medical records?

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Does instincto lead to overeating?
« on: May 10, 2012, 07:21:09 am »
Quote from: TylerDurden on May 10, 2012, 03:31:12 am
I speak German.

Tyler, that would be great if you helped with translation if you are interested in this topic!

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Does instincto lead to overeating?
« on: May 10, 2012, 07:19:19 am »
Quote from: Hanna on May 10, 2012, 03:04:29 am
Sorry, carnivorousape, I didn´t mean to be rude.
It´s (currently) too time consuming for me to discuss this topic in English (please remember that English is a foreign language to me ;)). Just wanted to link this article in case that you or other persons who are interested speak German.

No worries Hanna, English is foreign to me also! I am not going to send reference in Russian though as computer translation produces utter rubbish :)

It would be interesting to discuss this point further when you have time or Tyler helps with translation from German to see how pure nonsense this is :)

I know that cats get pretty overweight when fed ad libitum, these beasts ask for food at any opportunity! (i.e. when they don't sleep or chase opposite sex, ah that's the life!)

Wonder what happens to our closer relatives when allowed to eat whatever they want. This would be great test of instincto as it is easier to do with apes in controlled environment than with people.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Does instincto lead to overeating?
« on: May 09, 2012, 07:49:07 am »
Quote from: TylerDurden on May 09, 2012, 07:14:32 am
You could, of course, use the various online translating devices at your disposal rather than ignorantly condemning sources in other languages.

You could, of course, not to tell people what they could or couldn't do. It was rude to point me to source in such a way. I hope that Hanna can state her point in her own words.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Does instincto lead to overeating?
« on: May 09, 2012, 07:12:21 am »
Quote from: Hanna on May 09, 2012, 03:09:16 am
AFAIK this is pure nonsense. I just can link a German article (see page 3, "Steinzeitmärchen", and particularly page 16), but you probably will find informations about that in English too.

Nice, looks like a start of good discussion. Hopefully you can provide better reasons than a link to article in foreign language.

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General Discussion / Re: Loren Cordain on AGE contents in foods
« on: May 07, 2012, 08:11:41 am »
Quote from: Joy2012 on May 06, 2012, 07:39:21 pm
So cooked animal fat is out. But why is raw animal fat the healthiest? What nutrients does it have?

Raw animal fat was a staple for the early humans. Actually ape became a human when it managed to find large mammal carcass and smash its bones with a stone to get bone marrow. Other animals couldn't do this.

Another distinctive feature of our ancestors was their ability to dig for roots with a stick.

So our body evolved to utilize these types of food in the best way possible.


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General Discussion / Re: Loren Cordain on AGE contents in foods
« on: May 06, 2012, 06:50:44 am »
Quote from: Dorothy on May 06, 2012, 02:22:35 am
I think the pancreas digesting itself is one of those very strange rumors that don't make sense. If you don't eat something that necessitates the enzyme the pancreas probably just stops making the enzymes just like if you don't have a whole lot of cancer cells the pancreas isn't going to use up its resources making cancer-killing enzymes en masse.

Also one has to be careful designating organs when one feels pain as pain can be referred or travel along meridian lines. Just like with trigger point therapy one can have something going on in one place with the cause or cure being affected somewhere else sometimes.

I don't insist it was pancreas :) The thing is - a lot of fruits and no animal protein or fat is going to damage body in the long run. I think the same is true for a lot of meat and no carbs.

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Hot Topics / Re: Taste of raw meat
« on: May 05, 2012, 09:01:49 pm »
Quote from: Ferocious on May 05, 2012, 07:44:53 pm
Yeah, I don't think I'll be trying that for a VERY long time. ;P

Just to nitpick, I think "curing" involves using nitrites or nitrates. I only used salt, so I guess technically it's just considered air-dried.

Fermented food can be really helpful, especially for guys as myself who have appendix removed. High meat is believed to have healing properties. I tried fermented everything - dairy, vegetables, fruits (apples and watermelons), sour dough bread. Now  I guess it's time for meat.

Nitrites just make cured meat pink, traditionally it is cured with salt http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt-cured_meat


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Hot Topics / Re: Taste of raw meat
« on: May 05, 2012, 07:14:49 pm »
Quote from: Ferocious on May 05, 2012, 06:19:55 pm
Do you keep it out to get high meat, or in the fridge?

I've left my deer meat out for 2 days now and it looks like beef jerky. Haven't tried it yet.

I'm not sure if high meat and cured meat are the same. Cured meat is dry and it doesn't smell - oxygen helps meat to digest itself.

I didn't try high meat but I heard that it nearly turns to liquid and smells terribly - this is result of fermentation - lactobacteria helps to digest meat. In this case meat also needs to be ventilated to prevent rotting.

These processes are often used in conjunction - first meat mince is fermented , then it is cured and the result is salami :)

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General Discussion / Re: Loren Cordain on AGE contents in foods
« on: May 05, 2012, 07:01:00 pm »
Quote from: Joy2012 on May 05, 2012, 06:24:11 pm
Thanks for your testimonial. That is one more testimonial for RP diet

Why would raw fruit hurt pancreas?

I don't know for sure it was pancreas, but it usually hurts in that place after I eat a lot of sweets. As fruits contain a lot of sugar that might be a problem if they are eaten constantly. Sugar -> insulin spikes. I always feel hunger after eating fruits, that's why I prefer cooked carbs.

Plus I heard that pancreas produces meat digesting enzyme and if no meat is eaten it start to digest itself.

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General Discussion / Re: Loren Cordain on AGE contents in foods
« on: May 05, 2012, 05:36:01 pm »
Quote from: Joy2012 on May 05, 2012, 04:54:59 pm
I use my dehydrator all the time. It is a great instrument. At this stage I still cannot stomach any raw animal flesh without warming it up first.

I had several pounds of organs in the past 3 months. I love liver. It is just that  I was lazy about getting organs from Slankers and also I love my minced beef dish so much...My thought was that I had not touched beef for years so it wouldn't hurt if  I should indulge in beef for a few months...  When I return to U.S. from Taiwan in late August I will strive for a more balanced RP diet.  I am not giving it up yet...I trust the testimonials given by the members of this RP forum...because a good number of them had tried other healing diets and they all testify to RP diet....

I doubt that muscle meat was often eaten fresh in paleo times anyway. It is better be "predigested" in some way - marinated, cured or fermented. Organs and bone marrow is a different story.

I tried raw vegan diet and got crazy amounts of energy from it initially. However feeling hungry all the time didn't make me happy :) And I started to get pains in the left of my stomach (probably pancreas due to all fruits)

Switched to cooked vegetarian (hello gluten), felt even worse.

Started to get better slowly after switching to paleo. Still getting a lot of carbs, prefer cooked carbs (potatoes, non-gluten grains) to fruits.

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Hot Topics / Re: Taste of raw meat
« on: May 05, 2012, 04:00:00 pm »
Quote from: trollofthedungeon on May 04, 2012, 04:53:54 am
so you leave it out at 70-80 degrees f for a week at a time? I didnt think that this was proper. Would it still work without the salt and pepper as I dont believe those are healthy.

Why would this be not proper? People keep meat for months to get high meat.

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General Discussion / Re: Loren Cordain on AGE contents in foods
« on: May 05, 2012, 03:58:14 pm »
Quote from: Joy2012 on May 04, 2012, 10:10:50 pm
If you want to try the beef recipe, note that all the spices should be in dried forms; otherwise the dish would be too wet. Also if you place the minced beef (spread out in a plate) in the dehydrator for more than one hour, the top will be “browned” and taste sort of crispy.

Thank you for your thougths on carbs. I may have to go back to carbs during my stay in Taiwan...

Yes, I'm thinking about getting dehydrator to cure muscle meat. I tried raw lamb liver today. Sliced it on a plate, added some salt and pepper. That was great. Actually liver tastes strongly even without any spices.

I didn't notice organ meats in your diet, could it be another cause of low energy levels?

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General Discussion / Re: Loren Cordain on AGE contents in foods
« on: May 04, 2012, 07:23:14 am »
Quote from: Joy2012 on May 03, 2012, 04:43:37 pm
I have been low carb or very low carb on most days, because it appears to me LC/VLC is the pinnacle of RP diet. (I seldom test ketogenic though, as far as I can tell. It seems my body uses up all the ketones...or I eat too much protein)  I adopted LC because I wanted to find out as soon as possible whether RP is better than raw vegan.

I bumped into this forum accidentally in late December 2011. I was just looking for a raw forum which would give me permission to eat raw cheese and I was tired of listening to raw vegans’ “eating dairy/fish is un-ethical” accusation.  When I read the testimonials of the members on this forum, I decided RP is worth a try. I totally switched from raw vegan to RP within a month.

I have never had any serious health issues. I haven't seen a doctor since my childhood days. (Yes I have good health insureance but I am too lazy to go to the hospital for regular check-up.) Actually I have not had a cold/flu for more than one decade since I adopted a mostly raw vegan diet. But I do not feel energetic. And I do not look healthy these past couple of years (pale tired vegan look). These are the two areas I hoped to see improvement through my new RP diet.
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I do not feel different now as compared to 2011. I do not seem to look different. (But I do not look at myself in the mirror often.)

Thanks Joy, great information and recipes :)

I personally don't think that LowCarb is a pinnacle of paleo diet (gasp!)

For me the pinnacle is - eat the way body evolved to eat. I believe our ancestors ate as much carbohydrate as they could get at any opportunity. During some seasons they ate a lot of fruits, berries, but they didn't stop eating high carb tubers whole year around. I also think that they started cooking tubers as soon as they managed fire as it increases amount of energy you get from them dramatically.

I found LowCarb claims dubious at best. There is wacky science behind them and it seems like every physically active low carber eats high carb meals after workouts which is suspicious to me.

Your diet seems amazing but it painfully lacks carbs in my opinion. Fermented dairy doesn't seem like a culprit to me.

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General Discussion / Re: Loren Cordain on AGE contents in foods
« on: May 03, 2012, 07:39:16 am »
Quote from: Joy2012 on May 03, 2012, 12:16:51 am
I really did not feel bad at all when I ate dairy, so I kept eating it.  Actually I was kind of addicted to gruyere cheese.   But I feel confused that I have not seen any health improvement after 3 months on strict high-quality RP diet (raw dairy is at least allowed in Primal diet).    So I think maybe dairy is the offender...After all eating dairy is controversial in the RP diet community.  I guess the way to find out is to cut out dairy for a couple of months...

I am a newbie to RP myself, so we can draw from each other experiences, Joy.

Maybe your addiction to cheese was a way to compensate for harsh transition to RP. I am transitioning for around year now and feel improvements all along the way.

I feel great on fermented dairy, actually it is a lifesaver as I still eat cooked foods, but I'm going to reduce amount gradually. Fresh milk however is a total killer for me.

Another reason for no visible improvments might be that body needs time do detox, might take a while.

It would be helpful if you elaborated a bit more, in addition to doc questions:

1. What improvements did you expect from the diet?
2. Do you feel worse on it or there is no change at all?
3. How rapid was your transition?
4. What was your diet before transition?



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General Discussion / Re: Loren Cordain on AGE contents in foods
« on: May 03, 2012, 07:32:10 am »
Quote from: gc on May 03, 2012, 12:26:06 am
Forgive me for perhaps being dense, but after 2 pages of comments I don't know what AGE is. AGE on google isn't going to return much in the way of meaningful results.

There was a link to pdf that explains what AGE is on the first page of this topic.

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Hot Topics / Re: Taste of raw meat
« on: May 03, 2012, 07:13:21 am »
Thanks guys for sharing your experience. I'm transitioning slowly, trying mostly marinated meat with bits of fresh here and there.

Liver tastes great fresh, definitely better than cooked.

It's interesting as I was about to vomit when read a couple of years ago about people with b12 deficiency were prescribed raw liver :)

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Does instincto lead to overeating?
« on: May 02, 2012, 05:09:13 pm »
Quote from: Hanna on May 02, 2012, 04:52:46 pm
How do you define "overeating"? In my defintion "overeating" has a negative effect on health. Putting on weight has not necessarily a negative effect on health. I´m happy whenever my "instincts" (and my budget) "allow" me to eat lots of calories and put on weight.

By overeating I mean eating more that needed by the body. Body ability to store and dispose fat tells us that it evolved in fast/famine circumstances, which means eat more than needed in certain period of time when food is abundant and use fat reserves when there is food scarcity. I believe it was extremely rare that our ancestors had access to any food they wanted whole year round. I don't know how monkeys are fed in captivity but I think if you provide a monkey with its natural raw food and allow it eat ad libitum it will get chronically fat and receive bunch of diseases.

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General Discussion / Re: Loren Cordain on AGE contents in foods
« on: May 02, 2012, 02:00:28 pm »
Quote from: Joy2012 on May 02, 2012, 01:44:22 pm
Thanks to all who help me gain a proper perspective on AGE.

I do regret that I ate tons of cream and cheese (very high in AGE)  in the past few months, although they were truly raw dairy from pastured cows.   Maybe this is the reason that I have not seen improvement in my health since I started RP diet early this year.

Hopefully you also drank a lot of coke, coffee and ate puffed wheat to compensate for AGE damage :)

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