William, fair warning...I'm going to start deleting and modifying your posts if you keep trolling for tallow.

It's your choice.

cherimoya_kid, you and others, notably tyler durden are so obviously trolls that I must consider that saving you from your folly is impossible.
But if I'm wrong and you ever wake from your nightmare, I suggest you try the raw paleolithic diet.

Isn't tallow cooked fat?

http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/what-qualifies-as-raw/msg106381/#msg106381
« Reply #7 on: 26 February 2013, 14:40:58 »


Define tallow: rendered beef fat.
Define render: separated fat (or fatty acids) from indigestible connective tissue.
Define beef fat: combined fatty acids and INDIGESTIBLE PROTEINS.

I seems useful to define these terms, as previous "discussion" without definition has led to confusion and ill feeling.

Might better define tallow as practically pure Essential Fatty Acids, every cell wall in a healthy body includes these, while cooked fat includes both EFAs and cooked proteins.

BTW tallow is also made by centrifuge.
http://www.ajbush.com.au/manufacturers
http://www.indiamart.com/kovai-designs/meat-meal-equipments.html#tallow-fat-separator-basket-centrifuge
http://www.hutch-hayes.com/app-meatrendering.html
http://mrwhatis.com/beef-fat-uses.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendering_(food_processing)#Rendering_processes_for_edible_products

Dr. Hal Huggins has something relevant to say about both ancestral diet and dental health here:
http://oneradionetwork.com/dental-healing/dr-hal-huggins-ancestral-diet-sea-salt-goodness-and-ph-alkalinity-takes-a-hit-04-13-09/

Iodine is certainly a nutrient in the correct form and dose while it becomes a poison in overdose.

D'accord, but it requires so much volume that nobody has done that.

It’s always the same, the instinct can properly regulate the amount of natural (primitive, primal) unprocessed stuff, but is deceived with processed stuff. As for everything, there’s a huge difference between chemically pure iodine and iodine naturally contained in complex organic molecules of living beings.

The problem is that nobody AFAIK has enabled their immune system with iodine naturally contained in complex organic molecules of living beings.
Only molecular iodine and potassium iodide succeed at enabling the immune system. I know that this does not make sense, but it is what is reported as happening.

Well it seems these toxins are unavoidable.

Yes, they are.

I think my raw version of scd enhances my bodies detoxification capabilities - http://www.microbialinfluence.com/det.html

Dream on. Only the iodine protocol has been shown to reliably remove bromine and fluorine from the brain and body. Otherwise it is SNAFU for life. Your choice.

Well I drink home made distilled water (free of chlorine, fluoride, and all other chemicals). Fluoride free tooth paste (also gluten free). And I have a shower head water purifier which removes 95% of chlorine and all other chemicals, metals etc.

Me too, but this crap is in the dust in the air we breathe, and other sources -- just came across this article:
http://chemistry.about.com/cs/medical/a/aa102603a.htm
and this stunner:
"It's a lot harder to dodge the PBDE flame retardants responsible for the most worrisome of my test results. My world—and yours—has become saturated with them since they were introduced about 30 years ago.

 Scientists have found the compounds planetwide, in polar bears in the Arctic, cormorants in England, and killer whales in the Pacific. Bergman, the Swedish chemist, and his colleagues first called attention to potential health risks in 1998 when they reported an alarming increase in PBDEs in human breast milk, from none in milk preserved in 1972 to an average of four ppb in 1997.

 The compounds escape from treated plastic and fabrics in dust particles or as gases that cling to dust. People inhale the dust; infants crawling on the floor get an especially high dose. Bergman describes a family, tested in Oakland, California, by the Oakland Tribune, whose two small children had blood levels even higher than mine. When he and his colleagues summed up the test results for six different PBDEs, they found total levels of 390 ppb in the five-year-old girl and 650 ppb—twice my total—in the 18-month-old boy.

 In 2001, researchers in Sweden fed young mice a PBDE mixture similar to one used in furniture and found that they did poorly on tests of learning, memory, and behavior. Last year, scientists at Berlin's Charité University Medical School reported that pregnant female rats with PBDE levels no higher than mine gave birth to male pups with impaired reproductive health.

 Linda Birnbaum, an EPA expert on these flame retardants, says that researchers will have to identify many more people with high PBDE exposures, like the Oakland family and me, before they will be able to detect any human effects. Bergman says that in a pregnant woman my levels would be of concern. "Any level above a hundred parts per billion is a risk to newborns," he guesses. No one knows for sure.



 Any margin of safety may be narrowing. In a review of several studies, Ronald Hites of Indiana University found an exponential rise in people and animals, with the levels doubling every three to five years. Now the CDC is putting a comprehensive study of PBDE levels in the U.S. on a fast track, with results due out late this year. Pirkle, who is running the study, says my seemingly extreme levels may no longer be out of the ordinary. "We'll let you know," he says.

 Given the stakes, why take a chance on these chemicals? Why not immediately ban them? In 2004, Europe did just that for the penta- and octa-BDEs, which animal tests suggest are the most toxic of the compounds. California will also ban these forms by 2008, and in 2004 Chemtura, an Indiana company that is the only U.S. maker of pentas and octas, agreed to phase them out. Currently, there are no plans to ban the much more prevalent deca-BDEs. They reportedly break down more quickly in the environment and in people, although their breakdown products may include the same old pentas and octas."
From:http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=2049984#i

Iguana, in the light of the experience that animals both wild and domestic creatures prefer Lugol's iodine in their drinking water, can you comment on the apparent failure of instincto theory with respect to this:
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/journals/daboss88's-healing-schizophrenia-journal/msg107745/#new

My latest dietary endeavor is getting enough iodine.

Enough for what? Experience shows that to enable the immune system needs at least 100 mg/day; they all use Lugol's for that.
A maintenance level needs much less, but would depend on the level of air/water/food pollution in your environment.

I realized my diet is very deficient in iodine. I checked how much is in cod, haddock, shrimp, salmon, eggs and my multivitamin.

By eating 8 oz of each a week,  egg a day and 1/6 the multivitamin dose I  I can get enough

Enough for life in the paleolithic age, but in our time we have to cope with pollution such as bromine, fluorine, mercury, aluminum etc.
Lugol's as part of the iodine protocol works.

I read the bog, thanks for the doc's name, I have someone (in Ottawa) in mind to consult her.
I live in the bush about 90 miles NW.

"Then I would drift off for a bit and then wake up abruptly and go “Hey, do you remember cheeseburgers?”."
Ha. I still make the occasional attempt at a rawpaleoburger, and every time my gut tells me that I have not recovered from the surgery in 1966.

Men have pelvic floor muscles, too!

Why?

Doesn't all this god talk belong in the off topic section

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. "

There are people who, by their actions, actually believe that a God said that. Some of them are moderators here.
Seems properly paleofoody to me.

Ignore william, he's just a cooked-zero-carb fanatic. My own zero-carb experiment nearly destroyed my teeth. The rest of my skeleton would have gone, next, if I'd continued. Not suggesting that this  experience of mine will apply to everyone else, just pointing out that one RZC/CZC  does not work for everyone.

"Put not your faith in Man" - Jesus Christ

I'm assuming that TD is of the race of Man. I could be wrong about that.