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Off Topic / Excellent free legal movies
« on: June 18, 2014, 02:57:03 AM »
Spam. Alive, someone has hacked your account


The discussions about the 'ZC' diet have highlighted some rather large problems with the diet categories on this site, which do not match with historical reality of what a paleodiet would have included. In addition more consideration needs to be given to what foods are readily available to our average modern human.

I believe this is important because these arbitrary categories may be channeling users into directions that are unhelpful.

"Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet
Animal products with some veggies, berries, and non-domesticated, wild fruits added to the mix."
'Omnivorous' - unnecessary since humans are omnivores so practically all paleo diets would be omnivorous.
' some veggies' is ambiguous and denigrates the high value starchy roots, and wet vegetative matter would have had.
'non-domesticated, wild fruits' is totally unrealistic for most of us.
No mention is made of seeds, fungi or seaweed

"Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach
Not literally zero carb but eating only from the animal kingdom: muscle meats, organs, and fat of sea, sky, and land animals alike -- the raw meat diet for humans."
This is not even a paleo diet - what tribe of humans living on unfrozen land has ever limited themselves to eating just animal food? Therefore this diet title either needs changing or it should be moved to the 'Other Raw-Animal-Food' category.

'Wai Dieters
High in fruit; low in a limited selection of animal foods; raw vegetables and dairy are forbidden.'
Well this is obviously not a paleo diet because once again I bet that there has never been a tribe that randomly decided not to eat roots, shoots, leaves, flowers, sprouts, fungi, seaweed etc. So it to belongs in the 'Other Raw-Animal-Food' category.

It seems others have made similar comments many times before, but there is too much inertia and an unwillingness to change, maybe its too hard to change the setup, or it might alienate existing users, or just can't be bothered.
Another way of looking at this is that ancient humans would have eaten whatever they could find, so the diets would come down to the climate in geographical location of the inhabitants. Following this would give:

Temperate Diet (a low sugar diet)
Animal food, low sugar fruits and berries, vegetation, roots, fungi, seaweed, seeds, nuts

Tropical diet (a high sugar diet)
Animal food, high and low sugar fruits and berries, vegetation, roots, fungi, seaweed, seeds, nuts

Frigid diet (a very low carb diet?)
Animal food, seasonal  berries, vegetation, roots, fungi, seaweed, seeds, nuts

Any other ideas?

Journals / Being Alive
« on: March 05, 2014, 03:51:10 AM »
I am grateful to be feeling a lot more alive now :)

Lots of changes have been happening which are making life more and more interesting. Having my oldest child become legal age to babysit means that there is more flexibility in my life to pursue old and new interests. Eating only as hungry  is such a relief, I am now enjoying more of a minimum essential dose diet, mainly of 2 or 3 small servings of GF beef mince (lower quality as it has the higher fat content) and rib eye steak, with cucumber, lamb liver & heart, fish and greens.

PaleoPhil's introduction to resistant starch has been very interesting, especially reports of improved sleep, so I have just started eating a tablespoon of potato starch morning and night.

Goals: Continued lifestyle improvements, better sleep, more socialising, more loving  :D

Suggestion Box / quote font size
« on: September 06, 2013, 09:59:15 AM »
The quote text is very small and hard to read - can it be made bigger, even the same size as normal text ?

Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Scheduled high fat diet experiment
« on: August 15, 2013, 02:37:36 PM »
"New research from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem shows that a carefully scheduled high-fat diet can lead to a reduction in body weight and a unique metabolism in which ingested fats are not stored, but rather used for energy at times when no food is available."

It seems that carb digestion cannot be controlled so much, and all carbs have to be rapidly used or stored as body fat. So it would be useful to eat small amounts of carbs often to keep blood sugar stable.

Conversely fat does not need to be absorbed until it is needed, so it can stay in the bowels for long periods of time until it is required.

Off Topic / Democratic school fights government and wins
« on: May 14, 2013, 01:46:13 PM »
Awesome 4 part BBC dramatisation of the true story of Summerhill democratic school fighting the UK government for their right to exist (click to open video):

SUMMERHILL (ep1) on Vimeo

SUMMERHILL (ep2) on Vimeo

SUMMERHILL (ep3) on Vimeo

SUMMERHILL (ep4) on Vimeo

Off Topic / Breast milk feeding babies gut bacteria
« on: February 15, 2013, 12:12:10 PM »
This one's for Thoth :)

Unlike other mammals, the 3rd most abundant compound in human breast milk doesn't feed the baby but instead nourishes the bacteria in the baby's gut. ...

Hot Topics / Starving Cancer: Ketogenic Diet a Key to Recovery
« on: February 10, 2013, 05:43:54 AM »
"Your normal cells have the metabolic flexibility to adapt from using glucose to using ketone bodies. But cancer cells lack this metabolic flexibility. So we can exploit that," Dr. D'Agostino explained.



Display Your Culinary Creations / Low carb / high fat packed meal
« on: January 25, 2013, 03:30:28 AM »
Today's packed meal with diced beef liver, lambs kidney, lamb chop, fish (warehou), coconut oil (fermentation process), butter (not raw), EV olive oil. It's a warm day today so the coconut oil and butter will melt and make a nice sauce, for a late 'breakfast' once I get hungry. O0 (I need a new emoticon, like this but with beard and no sunglasses, hehe)

I have been hearing a lot of good things here about eggs, so its time to start eating them!
The yolk did taste nice and the white was fine. The beef was drying out in fridge so good to get into it, and the liver came with a 1/4 cup of blood which was tasty.

Hot Topics / Only 1% of our operating system DNA is human
« on: November 25, 2012, 03:56:51 PM »
The human microbiome and what we do to it

Did you know that you and I are only 1% human — we've 90 trillion cells which don't belong to us. Yes we are more bacteria than human.
Have you ever wondered what it means to be human? It turns out that only a tiny percentage of what you and I are made of is actually human — and we need our non-human bits to survive. This part of us now has a name — it's called our microbiome. But we're doing dreadful things to this hidden majority and it's damaging our health as a result. From the Tonic series produced with the assistance of NPS.

Hot Topics / Studies find Western diet may increase risk of mental illness
« on: November 25, 2012, 10:39:03 AM »

Research into how people are changing their diets could help treat mental illness and psychological disorders, a Canterbury University lecturer says.

Associate Professor Julia Rucklidge said there was data suggesting that rates of mental disorders could be increasing, with lifestyle factors playing an important role.

"We know a lot of this in terms of [physical] illness, but not a lot of people consider the effects of diet on mental illness. A lot of studies show that eating poorly leads to mental illness," she said.

Rucklidge planned to speak about the issue as part of a seminar on campus yesterday and today to mark 50 years since the first clinical psychology training programme began in New Zealand at Canterbury University.

Rucklidge said international research was finding that the Western diet could increase the risk of developing depression, anxiety and ADHD. A 2006 New Zealand mental health survey found about 47 per cent of New Zealanders would experience a mental illness or addiction at some point in their lives and one in five Kiwis would be affected by mental illness within one year.

Rucklidge has been investigating dietary influences on mental disorders, including conducting trials to determine whether providing additional nutrients could improve the symptoms of common mental disorders.

One project yet to be published saw 80 participants with ADHD take either a placebo or pills containing a mix of 36 minerals, vitamins and amino acids. The research was under review, but previous studies in this area had shown positive results, Rucklidge said.

She is seeking volunteers for a study into the effect of micronutrients on anxiety and stress in Canterbury children aged between 8 and 11. Those interested can find out more at mentalhealth

Monsanto lying, department of agriculture lying, FDA lying, EPA lying, and George W H Bush saying come to him, as he is the de-regulation guy  >:

Controlling Our Food | A Documentary On Genetically Modified Foods GMO's

Controlling Our Food | A Documentary On Genetically Modified Foods GMO's

OA Program of Recovery
Overeaters Anonymous offers a program of recovery from compulsive eating using the Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions of OA. Worldwide meetings and other tools provide a fellowship of experience, strength and hope where members respect one another’s anonymity. OA charges no dues or fees; it is self-supporting through member contributions.

OA is not just about weight loss, weight gain or maintenance, or obesity or diets. It addresses physical, emotional and spiritual well-being. It is not a religious organization and does not promote any particular diet.

OA members differ in many ways, but we are united by our common disease and the solution we have found in the OA program. We practice unity with diversity, and we welcome everyone who wants to stop eating compulsively. Welcome to Overeaters Anonymous. Welcome home.

Hot Topics / More 'cooking gave us big brains' bullshit
« on: November 04, 2012, 04:54:50 AM »
I endured more 'cooked food created big brains' bad science on radio NZ yesterday:

"Why do animals with huge bodies- even primates like gorillas- have far smaller brains than us humans? The key, suggests Professor Suzana Herculano-Houzel and her colleagues at the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro, is cooking. (7?45?)"

I emailed Suzana pointing out her research mistakes, and she quickly replied as a below (with my email in quotes). I am now trying to find TylerDurden's debunking post to use in my reply (sometimes RPDF can be quite hard to search!). Hopefully every little bit counts in pushing back against this cooked food propaganda!

Dear Mike,

thank you for our email.  I've been getting hate mail from rawfoodists who completely misinterpret our study, so I think it is very important to get some things straight before I answer your questions (below).

In the modern world, where raw foods (including fish and other meats) are readily available in unlimited quantities in grocery stores, it certainly takes much less than 9 hours per day to eat the calories that you need - although it STILL will require many hours of eating (specially if one doesn't cheat by eating nuts, which require roasting, or oils, which are extracted with heat). Eating raw meat requires huge effort and a lot of time (carpaccio is easier because skilled use of the knife does the same that cooking does: breaks down the tissue). Eating raw fish is certainly much easier, but remember that sushi rice is both cooked and packed with added sugar that only becomes available from industries!. When our species appeared, however, there were no plantations in the backyard with bananas readily available, and eating meat required killing animals or hanging out by the waterhole to compete for fish with carnivore predators :o))

Bottomline is, it is certainly possible to survive on an exclusively raw diet in our modern day, but it was most likely impossible to survive on an exclusively raw diet when our species appeared. Eating raw foods, though, yields much fewer calories per time - which is why it is one of the most efficient ways to... lose weight :o)

Here are my answers:

The main problem with this is your research is presented as only considering a raw VEGAN diet, while it is obvious our ancestors ate a raw OMNIVOROUS diet which was very high in raw ANIMAL foods, which contain large amounts of high energy fats to power our large brains.

We did NOT consider or assume a vegan diet; our analysis is based on ACTUAL non-human primate diets, in the wild, and the estimated number of calories they get per hour from it.

Can you please comment on these well known scientific facts:

1. Our ancestors increase in brain size began over 2 million years ago

2. Evidence of the widespread control of fire has only been found going back a hundred thousand years ago

Therefore how can #2 possibly cause #1?

Because #2 is wrong: look up the evidence reviewed in Richard Wrangham's wonderful book, Catching Fire.

3. Analysis of fossilised humanoid fecal deposits shows that our ancestors have been living on a diet largely composed of raw animal foods for over 2 million years

Again, I suggest you read Wrangham's book... I think you'll like it.

4. Comparing us against herbivore gorillas and saying we would have to eat for 8 hours a day if we ate raw food ignores the fact we would only need to eat for 15 minutes a day when consuming raw animal foods, due to the high energy content of fat

Oh, IF you have a grocery store nearby AND choose to, say, drink pure vegetable oil, you will get your 2500 kCal with a single cup of less than 300 ml. It will be gross, though - and will not give you the proteins, carbohydrates, and vitamins you need. See my first paragraph above.

And mind you, great apes can eat meat, and will eat meat - but only if there is nothing else available, probably because of how much effort it requires (you could also argue that they hate the taste... but you'd have to ask them ;P ).

So since our ancestors were 'living off the fat of the land' and consuming a high energy / high fat diet of raw animal foods there is no need to increase the energy extraction from vegetables by cooking them.

Living off the fat of the land??? Who was doing that? What evidence are you based on? Gorillas and orangutans would love to know where all that fat is, because they still have to eat almost 8 hours a day...

Personally I have found a huge increase in energy and mental alertness by consuming raw animal foods - such as fatty meat and offal - with less food intake.

Good for you. Whatever makes you happy AND keeps you healthy. Eating meat is certainly a good way to eat less, because proteins are more satisfying for the brain mechanisms that control food intake. In our modern world, all kinds of food are so readily available that we can afford the luxury of choosing what we want to eat, and even of deciding what NOT to eat - meat, cooked foods, milk, you pick. Since grocery stores weren't around, our ancestors didn't have that luxury, and had to eat what they had - and it is in that context that we argue that cooking could introduce the change required to dramatically increase the energy content of each meal, and allow our ancestors to circumvent the limitation imposed on their brain size by a raw diet.

I hope I addressed all your questions...

Best regards,

General Discussion / How to fertilize the soil
« on: October 29, 2012, 12:53:51 PM »
Let's get this straight. All this Brix issue is, I believe, a question of making the soil nutritious enough for a plant, so that adding manure and adding minerals in the form of powders and mixing it all up with the topsoil around the plants once a year or so should do the trick?  I am currently planning on adding a number of fruit-trees to a particular garden because such trees can go for long periods without watering and I can't be there very often. With the ones I've already planted, I've used some sort of  high-tech nutrient-rich substance provided by the shop and watered extensively, but that's all so far. Since the soil is likely pretty bad(the garden is terraced all over, after all), I think I could do better. Can one buy powdered minerals like sodium or whatever from gardening centres?

@ TylerDurden, some suggestions for your fruit trees = bury road kill close by (with dirt separation from the roots to allow decomposition), or even better since you are a RAFist how about saving up your poo in buckets - that would be absolute perfection to provide the most awesome long lasting full spectrum fertiliser for your fruit trees, and is recycling at its best : )
Just cover your daily deposits with some dirt and sawdust to reduce odours, or even get buckets with lids, until you can transport to your orchard = your trees will love you for it!

Very scary radio interview about drug testing - for example companies publish positive drug trial results that help them prove a new drug works, and bury the possibly many more trial results that show the drug to be ineffective. Drug companies try to keep drug trial results secret from doctors and patients - billions of dollars have been spent stockpiling Tamiflu but the trial results have never been published. Drug companies use 'Industry Sponsored Teaching' to push their products onto doctors. Once again the public and government are being gamed by big money interests.

Dr Ben Goldacre is an author, broadcaster, medical doctor and academic who rebuts scientific claims from drug companies, newspapers, government reports, and public relations firms. He has written the weekly Bad Science column in the Guardian since 2003, and his book Bad Science (Fourth Estate Ltd, ISBN: 978-0-0072-4019-7), has sold over 400,000 copies and is published in 18 countries. His new book is Bad Pharma: How Drug Companies Mislead Doctors and Harm Patients (4th Estate, ISBN: 978-0-00-735074-2).

Or if you prefer newspaper format:

And here antidepressants dangerous for unborn child
Senior doctors say that “study after study” shows the most widely used class of anti-depressant, called selective seratonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs, cause pregnancy complications including premature birth and pre-eclampsia, which can both be fatal.
Emerging research also suggests SSRIs can double the rate of autism in children, and increase the risk of lung and bowel diseases.
The situation amounts to “a large scale human experiment”, according to Dr Adam Urato, assistant professor of maternal-fetal medicine at Tufts University School of Medicine in Boston, Massachusetts.
Drugs firms were overstating the benefits and underplaying the risks for the sake of profit, he claimed. Family doctors were failing to grasp the true dangers and tell pregnant patients of them, he argued.
He said: “Study after study shows increased rates of newborn complications in those babies who were exposed to SSRIs in-utero. The Federal Drugs Administration [in the US] and Health Canada have put out warnings specifically regarding this issue.”

Off Topic / Go Greens
« on: October 23, 2012, 04:26:44 AM »
I love the Greens in government - they are the only ones smart enough to be into real food, sustainability, peace, population stability and stable state economics = the things that really matter and truly make us rich :)

In NZ the Greens have 10% of the seats in parliament, and its steadily increasing :

Here is the Green Party TV advert
30 secs: Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand Election Advertisement 2011

Off Topic / Woman raised by Monkeys
« on: October 23, 2012, 04:11:23 AM »
"A Bradford woman has revealed her past as a child raised by monkeys in Colombia"

Suggestion Box / Low Carb Raw Paleo Forum
« on: October 21, 2012, 07:24:18 AM »
How about a forum for a Low Carbohydrate Raw Paleo Diet?

LC RPD = RAF + Low carb RVF (eg weeds, green leafy vegetables, stalks, flowers, buds, shoots, bark...)

Primal Diet / Should I use milk?
« on: October 20, 2012, 04:50:47 PM »
My family eats a modern diet and to provide them with better nutrition I got into a raw organic milk scheme where I needed to pick up 5 liters per week. My son loved the raw milk but he only consumed 2~3 liters per week, and the rest of the family didn't like it. Since my aim has been to be RP I decided not to have milk myself and so cancelled the raw supply and now buy just supermarket milk for the family.

Now I am wondering if a better idea would be to go back on the raw milk scheme to help my son, and use the excess to make yogurt for myself. Although my body seems to hate sugars and starches, milk does not seem to be a problem for me. This would provide me with more variety while still being living food.

What do you think?

On searching for the bigger picture of our specific evolutionary path I found this great site reptile evolution, which shows our ancestors going back 310 million years.

Here is a picture of some snap shots in time of them. The littlest guy is the first mammal, who survived the great dinosaur extinction (say meteor collision) by being so small and warm blooded. I imagine they would have had to eat a lot of high dinosaur meat before the dust cleared and plants recovered:

Here is a picture of their jaws - judging by those teeth it looks like eating animal foods was the most important source of nutrition over the last 300 MY. I am now thinking that, when looking at this time scale, the lower animal food consumption of apes is more of an aberration than the norm proposed by vegans:

Hot Topics / US Government Lies and The True Rogue Nuclear State
« on: October 17, 2012, 03:17:32 PM »
Whats all this rubbish the US Government is talking about Iran being a rogue nuclear state?
Here is the real culprit, and they are funded by the US Government!
Doublespeak in action...
The Real Rogue Nuclear State

Who thinks the American Veterinary Medical Association wants to put people off raw pet food to protect sales of manufactured foods and to increase business through creating more sick pets ?  -v

Ditto: "Officials with the American Animal Hospital Association announced in August that their organization took a position that states that raw pet food diets risk animal and human health":

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