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General Discussion / Re: To salt or not to salt, that is the question!
« on: July 18, 2016, 11:25:01 pm »
I say yay to salt lol
To each their own though
To each their own though
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Journals / Re: DaBoss88's healing schizophrenia journal
« on: July 14, 2016, 11:36:08 pm »
I've been ingesting on average about 2 teaspoons daily of unrefined salt.
I decided I'm going to slowly increase my intake. I've noticed that schizophrenics tend to need abnormally large doses of nutrients, and as such have decided to increase my salt intake from 2 teaspoons per day to 3-5 teaspoons per day.
I decided I'm going to slowly increase my intake. I've noticed that schizophrenics tend to need abnormally large doses of nutrients, and as such have decided to increase my salt intake from 2 teaspoons per day to 3-5 teaspoons per day.
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Science / Re: Reducing biological heat created toxin levels
« on: July 05, 2016, 07:44:25 am »Also: trying to avoid stress can be stressful. Example: worrying about environmental toxins when you live in a city.
I'm guessing that the stress quotient of not worrying about something is a mere fraction of the stress quotient of not worrying about anything at all.
Application:
- AGES toxins from eating cooked food in a social situation = 2 "I'm-going-crazy" dollars
- Emotional toxins from worrying about "food issues" in social situations when you intend to eat raw = 186.8 "I'm-going-crazy" dollars.
Hakuna matata.
It's true. The negative effects of cooked food aren't anything compared to the negative effects of worrying about it.
In essence eating out and enjoying a nice meal is fine, but worrying about it is the worst thing a person could do!
Eating out < worrying about it
There is a bit of a chicken and egg dichotomy when considering..... Is much stress caused by living in a toxic world? or is the external toxic world, created by the internal stress of a toxic human precondition?
That's definitely relevant.
Is the external world really that toxic? Or is it out perception of a supposedly toxic world that's really toxic?
Like you said, kind of both. But I definitely think mindset is a huge factor. So not worrying about it, definitely reduces internal heat created compound production.
Maybe just calling them toxins reduces our resistance?
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Science / Re: Reducing biological heat created toxin levels
« on: July 05, 2016, 01:26:20 am »
Good advice.
So reduce stress, emotional included, reduce heat created toxin production.
Also air pollution.
And reducing inflammation.
I definitely think stress is a big one. I believe stress, emotional distress, raging emotions, etc. can be a huge contributor to increasing heat created toxin production internally, and probably also decrease detoxification.
So reduce stress, emotional included, reduce heat created toxin production.
Also air pollution.
And reducing inflammation.
I definitely think stress is a big one. I believe stress, emotional distress, raging emotions, etc. can be a huge contributor to increasing heat created toxin production internally, and probably also decrease detoxification.
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Science / Reducing biological heat created toxin levels
« on: July 04, 2016, 11:20:24 pm »
In addition to ingesting less heat created toxins (raw diet), what recommendations do members have for 1) decreasing production? and 2) increasing detoxification?
I don't have any 'articles/studies,' but it's my understanding stress increases endogenous heat created toxin production and exercise increases detoxification. Reducing stress decreases production, and exercise increases detoxification.
Does anyone else have any recommendations?
I don't have any 'articles/studies,' but it's my understanding stress increases endogenous heat created toxin production and exercise increases detoxification. Reducing stress decreases production, and exercise increases detoxification.
Does anyone else have any recommendations?
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Off Topic / Re: If you cheat, how often?
« on: July 04, 2016, 12:36:31 am »It just depends. The real damage for most people comes from grains, poor-quality meats, nasty preservatives, and heavily-fried foods.
Yeah but they eat those foods ALL the time. Not to mention the majority of them have serious deficiencies of Vitamin D, Vitamin A, and probably a few minerals.
I will say that it becomes more and more important, after many years, to get good variety. Sometimes it's better to choose a lower-quality food source, temporarily, just to get some variety.
I've noticed that too. I occasionally buy 'lower quality' food just to get some variety.
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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Who has read GC Burger's main book?
« on: July 03, 2016, 11:35:16 pm »
I did read part of it, and I partially agree with him.
I think taste and smell play a huge role in whether something is needed by the body/beneficial. For example there are studies showing mice deprived of water and electrolytes, once given the option to drink plain water or water with electrolytes, choose water with electrolytes. There's other factors too, like a person who is tired is more likely to feel sleepy. Essentially instincts, when 'listened' to, give ques for what the body needs/benefits most from.
However I partially disagree with him, because in a way I feel like he may have 'set restrictions' for certain foods that perhaps shouldn't have been restricted. Not cooked food, but perhaps salt, occasionally sprouted grains. There's also the factor of food scarcity and every food not always being available. I believe there is room for improvement in his diet, but that there is strong premise for his concepts making sense.
In this regard, I believe there is something to eating instinctively, and also living instinctively.
I think taste and smell play a huge role in whether something is needed by the body/beneficial. For example there are studies showing mice deprived of water and electrolytes, once given the option to drink plain water or water with electrolytes, choose water with electrolytes. There's other factors too, like a person who is tired is more likely to feel sleepy. Essentially instincts, when 'listened' to, give ques for what the body needs/benefits most from.
However I partially disagree with him, because in a way I feel like he may have 'set restrictions' for certain foods that perhaps shouldn't have been restricted. Not cooked food, but perhaps salt, occasionally sprouted grains. There's also the factor of food scarcity and every food not always being available. I believe there is room for improvement in his diet, but that there is strong premise for his concepts making sense.
In this regard, I believe there is something to eating instinctively, and also living instinctively.
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Raw Weston Price / Re: Vitamin A
« on: July 03, 2016, 10:16:43 pm »I don't do well with vitamin A supplementation, but I do well with vitamin D. Your results may vary.
I personally don't do well with Vitamin A supplementation either. FCLO is ok. But I've noticed best results from ingesting pastured liver. It's absolutely amazing. I've been striving to eat 2 or 3 servings of 8 ounces each week.
I also take Vitamin D and get sun somewhat frequently. I take about 5,000-10,000 IU of Vitamin D from supplements, and occaisonally get sun (maybe 2-3 times a week, not much, but accordingly to Dr. Hollick's recommendations for sensible sun exposure).
I'm a sceptic as regards vitamin-/mineral-supplementation. They never worked for me at all. I would recommend your looking at this website to avoid any possible issues in the future:-
http://www.healthline.com/health/hypervitaminosis-a#Sources3
Of course. I agree, food is always the best source of nutrients.
Where are you getting your vitamin A and D?
Which foods? How much sun?
I prefer my Vitamin A from liver (of course grass fed). I've been getting beef liver, and I've been eating about 2-3 servings a week of 6-8 ounces. I also take FCLO, maybe a teaspoon a day, some days I skip. Not exact amounts. More just on a 'how I feel' basis.'
I take a Vitamin D3 supplement, 5,000-10,000 IU daily, and I get maybe 5-10 minutes of full body sun exposure 3x a week around noon.
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Off Topic / Re: If you cheat, how often?
« on: July 03, 2016, 09:46:36 pm »Only on my wife buddy. That is what marriage is good for!
Lmao! I'm not married yet, but only on my girl friend! Haha
I do never cheat. Don't like to cheat myself, i'm actually very convinced about raw diet.
Haven't had social meals for more than a year. Ha... Last social meal i brought my raw meat and didn't give a fuck about what others think.
I hate the social 'repercussions' of outwardly showing or stating how I eat. I feel like a closet gay but for how I eat lol
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Journals / Re: DaBoss88's healing schizophrenia journal
« on: July 03, 2016, 08:56:42 pm »
Yw 
Inger you look beautiful, as usual *blushy face*
Inger you look beautiful, as usual *blushy face*
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Off Topic / If you cheat, how often?
« on: July 03, 2016, 08:55:48 pm »
I mainly eat a raw diet. But I occasionally like to eat out for social occasions.
Do you cheat sometimes? If so how often do you cheat?
I personally eat out maybe once a week to once a month.
Do you cheat sometimes? If so how often do you cheat?
I personally eat out maybe once a week to once a month.
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Raw Weston Price / Vitamin A
« on: June 13, 2016, 02:56:21 am »
Pretty neat. An entire book on retinol/Vitamin A.
"
The Retinoids: Biology, Biochemistry, and Disease 1st Edition
by Pascal Dollé (Author), Karen Niederreither (Author)
"
Also available on Google Books.
I recently started experimenting with Vitamin A in 'larger than normal' amounts.
I noticed in Europe they tend to ingest quite a bit of Vitamin A, while simultaneously having somewhere lower Vitamin D levels, improving their Vitamin A:D ratio. They also tend to be healthier than much of the rest of the world, so I thought I'd experiment with more Vitamin A.
Of course still pastured foods, but I added liver.
"
The Retinoids: Biology, Biochemistry, and Disease 1st Edition
by Pascal Dollé (Author), Karen Niederreither (Author)
"
Also available on Google Books.
I recently started experimenting with Vitamin A in 'larger than normal' amounts.
I noticed in Europe they tend to ingest quite a bit of Vitamin A, while simultaneously having somewhere lower Vitamin D levels, improving their Vitamin A:D ratio. They also tend to be healthier than much of the rest of the world, so I thought I'd experiment with more Vitamin A.
Of course still pastured foods, but I added liver.
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Journals / Re: DaBoss88's healing schizophrenia journal
« on: June 05, 2016, 12:45:38 pm »
Update.
2+ years med free.
I'm doing amazingly well. Here is an update on my current regimen.
1. Niacin 1,000 mg, b complex 50 mg, vitmain c 1000 mg 3x per day
Blood work: uric acid, liver function panel
2. Vitamin D 10,000 IU per day, combined with regular sun exposure following Dr. Hollicks "sensible sun exposure" recommendations
25-OH-D, 50-80 ng/mL range
3. 1.5-2.5 teaspoons of (unrefined) salt daily (to turn off/reduce the body's aldosterone (a sodium preserving hormoone) production
4. Iodine, Lugol's 2%, 20 drops per day
Full thyroid panel
5. Probiotics - glutathione producing (Regactiv), soil microorganisms (NOW Probiotic Defense)
6. Exercise
All blood work every 3-6 months. You should check with your health insurance first to make sure it's covered. Second be excessively nice to your doctor and nicely pushy to "encourage" them to order it. Or find another doctor.
That's the important stuff, I've also been eating a raw diet. Lot's of veggies, fruits, generous amounts of raw eggs, pastured/grass fed meats, wild fish, and of course lots of animal fats.
Other less important stuff
Magnesium chloride about 700 mg per day
Fermented cod liver oil
1000 mg methylfolate
I'm sorry if I've been harsh, rude, disrespectful. Thank you for your help. As you can imagine it's been incredibly complicated going through so much research to optimize my regimen. Sometimes it could be frustrating, however I've gotten through it gracefully and in one piece. Again, sorry if I've been inappropriate.
2+ years med free.
I'm doing amazingly well. Here is an update on my current regimen.
1. Niacin 1,000 mg, b complex 50 mg, vitmain c 1000 mg 3x per day
Blood work: uric acid, liver function panel
2. Vitamin D 10,000 IU per day, combined with regular sun exposure following Dr. Hollicks "sensible sun exposure" recommendations
25-OH-D, 50-80 ng/mL range
3. 1.5-2.5 teaspoons of (unrefined) salt daily (to turn off/reduce the body's aldosterone (a sodium preserving hormoone) production
4. Iodine, Lugol's 2%, 20 drops per day
Full thyroid panel
5. Probiotics - glutathione producing (Regactiv), soil microorganisms (NOW Probiotic Defense)
6. Exercise
All blood work every 3-6 months. You should check with your health insurance first to make sure it's covered. Second be excessively nice to your doctor and nicely pushy to "encourage" them to order it. Or find another doctor.
That's the important stuff, I've also been eating a raw diet. Lot's of veggies, fruits, generous amounts of raw eggs, pastured/grass fed meats, wild fish, and of course lots of animal fats.
Other less important stuff
Magnesium chloride about 700 mg per day
Fermented cod liver oil
1000 mg methylfolate
I'm sorry if I've been harsh, rude, disrespectful. Thank you for your help. As you can imagine it's been incredibly complicated going through so much research to optimize my regimen. Sometimes it could be frustrating, however I've gotten through it gracefully and in one piece. Again, sorry if I've been inappropriate.
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Science / The Scientific Rationale for Why Raw Dieters Don't Succumb to Microbial Disease
« on: March 19, 2015, 12:55:14 am »
I've included here a few studies showing how eating a raw diet, without incidence from parasitic disease is possible. The studies show 1. that wild animals are generally unaffected by parasites, 2. that wild animals have increased parasitism with increased pollution, 3. that wild animals moved into captivity and fed a standard feed (cooked foods, etc.) develop increased parasitism, and 4. a link to an international study done on heat created byproducts (approximately 50 byproducts listed), and 5. studies on bacteria, mad cow, etc.
Essentially, pollution and heat created byproducts (possibly other factors too) decrease animal resistance to microbes (including parasites), by reducing glutathione levels (and likely other antimicrobial factors as well). Which is why raw dieters are generally unaffected. Basically pollution=heat created byproducts, increased pollution increased parasitism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2069073
"There is also evidence that endoparasitic protozoons, such as myxozoons, microsporans and haematozoons, all of which are capable of proliferating in their hosts, increase substantially in prevalence and intensity when interacting with pollutants."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1805675
"Pollutants might promote increased parasitism by impairing the host's immune response or favouring survival and reproduction of intermediate hosts."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10456421
"Parasites, causing little apparent damage in feral (wild) fish populations, may become causative agents of diseases of great importance in farmed fish, leading to pathological changes, decrease of fitness or reduction of the market value of fish."
http://www.fhi.no/eway/default.aspx?pid=240&trg=Content_6870&Main_6664=6898:0:25,8254:1:0:0:::0:0&MainContent_6898=6870:0:25,8279:1:0:0:::0:0&List_6871=6874:0:25,8279:1:0:0:::0:0&Content_6870=6866:97806::1:6875:11:::0:0
"Modern science has showed that heating of meat and other protein rich foods can generate various kinds of potentially hazardous compounds, some of which are genotoxic and carcinogenic. The focus of the HEATOX project was to estimate health risks recently discovered associated with hazardous compounds in heat treated carbohydrate-rich foods where substantial amounts of acrylamide and similar compounds can be formed."
http://www.eatwild.com/foodsafety.html
"Grass-fed cows are not mad cows
Eating grass-fed beef may lower your risk of E. coli infection"
Essentially, pollution and heat created byproducts (possibly other factors too) decrease animal resistance to microbes (including parasites), by reducing glutathione levels (and likely other antimicrobial factors as well). Which is why raw dieters are generally unaffected. Basically pollution=heat created byproducts, increased pollution increased parasitism.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2069073
"There is also evidence that endoparasitic protozoons, such as myxozoons, microsporans and haematozoons, all of which are capable of proliferating in their hosts, increase substantially in prevalence and intensity when interacting with pollutants."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1805675
"Pollutants might promote increased parasitism by impairing the host's immune response or favouring survival and reproduction of intermediate hosts."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10456421
"Parasites, causing little apparent damage in feral (wild) fish populations, may become causative agents of diseases of great importance in farmed fish, leading to pathological changes, decrease of fitness or reduction of the market value of fish."
http://www.fhi.no/eway/default.aspx?pid=240&trg=Content_6870&Main_6664=6898:0:25,8254:1:0:0:::0:0&MainContent_6898=6870:0:25,8279:1:0:0:::0:0&List_6871=6874:0:25,8279:1:0:0:::0:0&Content_6870=6866:97806::1:6875:11:::0:0
"Modern science has showed that heating of meat and other protein rich foods can generate various kinds of potentially hazardous compounds, some of which are genotoxic and carcinogenic. The focus of the HEATOX project was to estimate health risks recently discovered associated with hazardous compounds in heat treated carbohydrate-rich foods where substantial amounts of acrylamide and similar compounds can be formed."
http://www.eatwild.com/foodsafety.html
"Grass-fed cows are not mad cows
Eating grass-fed beef may lower your risk of E. coli infection"
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Off Topic / Re: The latest and greatest 911 Expose: Published on Sep 23, 2014
« on: September 27, 2014, 03:04:33 am »
It's sad. The same people (generally) who complain about these things are the same people who think every conspiracy theory is true. Then they have the audacity to say it's the government keeping them down. When really it's that they've developed a point of view that they have no control over their lives, so they don't do anything to change things directly in their control. The reality is they have a lot more control over their lives than they realize.
(I'm referencing this more about the U.S.)
(I'm referencing this more about the U.S.)
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Science / Re: Organic and Inorganic - How They Relate to Chemistry and Food
« on: September 15, 2014, 02:57:17 am »
I understand everyone has different things that do and don't work for them. For me unrefined salt is great, and a lot of things that don't work with others work well with me.
This post is simply to clarify the two accurate ways in which organic and inorganic are used properly - organic and inorganic chemistry, and organic and non organic agricultural practices. The terms organic and inorganic have no place when it comes to mentioning cooking. Like I showed in this post there are organic heat created toxins.
This information isn't an attack, it's for clarification on the accurate way to use those terms. Raw animal foods provide higher quality protein, fat, fat based compounds (cholesterol, etc.), and less toxins - but being raw or cooked doesn't have anything to do with being inorganic or organic.
Organic and inorganic compounds are both essential to life.
This post is simply to clarify the two accurate ways in which organic and inorganic are used properly - organic and inorganic chemistry, and organic and non organic agricultural practices. The terms organic and inorganic have no place when it comes to mentioning cooking. Like I showed in this post there are organic heat created toxins.
This information isn't an attack, it's for clarification on the accurate way to use those terms. Raw animal foods provide higher quality protein, fat, fat based compounds (cholesterol, etc.), and less toxins - but being raw or cooked doesn't have anything to do with being inorganic or organic.
Organic and inorganic compounds are both essential to life.
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Science / Re: Your Education Level (Regarding Science)
« on: September 14, 2014, 04:44:07 pm »Huge problems I see with science and any "higher" education is the narrow mindedness and specification of disciplines and lack of real world, field experience, I saw this in university and government agricultural labs, you see this all the time in science. People do not understand and are not being taugt to attune themselves to the dynamic interconnected of our life experience because they are taught in facilities and by faculty that shut down our precious intuition, our guide for all sensing and all "knowing". So at best we can attempt to understand this all through cultural bias and inadequate language.
My personal view is not that schools try to "make people think a certain way." But rather that people are already thinking that way, instructors included. The average person has the mentality that once they know something it's set in stone forever. It's no different for faculty, and even students. Schools don't teach people to think like that. Rather people just have that mentality. I think higher education courses are an excellent choice, but that people need to apply a "nothing I know is set in stone" mentality. Their views can change, things that were believed to be true can be wrong, and things that were believed to be wrong can be true.
On that note, I ask what actual science classes have been taken by members here to have an idea of where people get their information. With all the misconceptions here, it's helpful to have an idea who has what kind of background in health and science, and who's read a book and read some website and is now an expert. That way I'm aware when someone says some essential nutrients are toxic or inorganic, I have an idea where they're coming from, and that they haven't taken the science classes that would clear up their misconceptions.
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Science / Re: Organic and Inorganic - How They Relate to Chemistry and Food
« on: September 14, 2014, 10:22:07 am »
A few websites using the terms organic and inorganic incorrectly
http://www.truelivinghealth.com/raw-food-vs-cooked.html
"• The basic fact is that cooking denatures food. It alters it chemically and causes food to change into an inorganic form providing us with fragmented food. Size, Color, Texture, Thickness, Loss of water are all visible changes that happen to food when cooked"
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/eatonlyraw.html
""Heating any food, destroys much of its vitamin, mineral, and protein content and poisonous inorganic acids are formed. The all uncooked diet is most healthful.""
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/rawfreshproduce.html
"cooking causes inorganic mineral elements to enter the blood and circulate through the system, which settle in the arteries and veins, causing arteries to lose their pliability, ï‚· the body prematurely ages as this inorganic matter is deposited in various joints or accumulates within internal organs, including the heart valves. "
Interview with Aajonous Vonderplanitz - http://drbass.com/aajonus.html
"Clay is like a food, especially when moist, and therefore the minerals are not inorganic. The body can utilize the minerals fairly well. However, as I state in my book, fresh raw vegetable juices provide the best, although in some cases incomplete, mineral concentrations. Cheese is also a concentrated source of organic minerals. My conclusions are always based on consistent good results and research."
Members at the RPD forum misusing inorganic and organic - http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/infonews-items/why-drinking-water-is-bad/msg31521/#msg31521
"Because the "minerals" in mineral water are all INORGANIC, eventually loading up your kidneys in your old age. "
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/raw-eggs-whites-and-yolks/msg14846/#msg14846
"or chicken feed is usually cracked, old, rancid, inorganic, highly void of minerals and omega threes like insects and green plants are, "
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/journals/goodsamaritan%27s-experiments/msg85180/#msg85180
"cooking makes those organic iodine nutrients inorganic and less usable by the body. We can do better than even those 4% of americans who are not iodine deficient."
http://www.truelivinghealth.com/raw-food-vs-cooked.html
"• The basic fact is that cooking denatures food. It alters it chemically and causes food to change into an inorganic form providing us with fragmented food. Size, Color, Texture, Thickness, Loss of water are all visible changes that happen to food when cooked"
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/eatonlyraw.html
""Heating any food, destroys much of its vitamin, mineral, and protein content and poisonous inorganic acids are formed. The all uncooked diet is most healthful.""
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/rawfreshproduce.html
"cooking causes inorganic mineral elements to enter the blood and circulate through the system, which settle in the arteries and veins, causing arteries to lose their pliability, ï‚· the body prematurely ages as this inorganic matter is deposited in various joints or accumulates within internal organs, including the heart valves. "
Interview with Aajonous Vonderplanitz - http://drbass.com/aajonus.html
"Clay is like a food, especially when moist, and therefore the minerals are not inorganic. The body can utilize the minerals fairly well. However, as I state in my book, fresh raw vegetable juices provide the best, although in some cases incomplete, mineral concentrations. Cheese is also a concentrated source of organic minerals. My conclusions are always based on consistent good results and research."
Members at the RPD forum misusing inorganic and organic - http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/infonews-items/why-drinking-water-is-bad/msg31521/#msg31521
"Because the "minerals" in mineral water are all INORGANIC, eventually loading up your kidneys in your old age. "
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/general-discussion/raw-eggs-whites-and-yolks/msg14846/#msg14846
"or chicken feed is usually cracked, old, rancid, inorganic, highly void of minerals and omega threes like insects and green plants are, "
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/journals/goodsamaritan%27s-experiments/msg85180/#msg85180
"cooking makes those organic iodine nutrients inorganic and less usable by the body. We can do better than even those 4% of americans who are not iodine deficient."
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Science / Re: Organic and Inorganic - How They Relate to Chemistry and Food
« on: September 12, 2014, 08:34:03 am »
Just a couple inorganic compounds the body can't do without - oxygen and water - neither contain carbon.
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Science / Re: Your Education Level (Regarding Science)
« on: September 12, 2014, 05:51:11 am »Gee whiz, where to start. I was on a pre-med track while doing my undergrad work, so took biology, chemistry, genetics, biochemistry, anatomy & physiology, parasitology, etc. Ended up specializing in ecology and evolution though, and went on to get a masters in environmental science (lots of environmental chemistry and toxicology courses) as well as a second masters in environmental policy. My PhD is in natural resources, most of my coursework was actually in economics and energy systems.
Depending on how exactly you define a 'science' class, I might have taken lots of them, or lots and lots of them.
Very impressive.
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Science / Your Education Level (Regarding Science)
« on: September 11, 2014, 09:45:53 pm »
Hi everyone. Purely out of curiosity I'm wondering how many science classes each of you have taken - chemistry, biology, etc. Please be as detailed as possible, describe what classes you've taken, etc. Thank you!
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Raw Weston Price / Re: Unrefined Salt Experiments
« on: August 28, 2014, 12:12:55 pm »Arguing? I don't get that comment, aren't we discussing and exchanging info? asking questions...isn't this what this forum is about?
Conversation can quickly steer from discussing to arguing. Sorry if I interpreted it wrong.
here's another one, who's to say the deer/animals are going for the salt, or going for trace minerals which would be expected in a sea bed deposit high in salt?
I personally think they're going for both. Salt really contains essential nutrients - sodium alone is impeccably important for the body.
Sodium in Biology - Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_in_biology
"Sodium ions are necessary in small amounts for some types of plants, but sodium as a nutrient is more generally needed in larger amounts by animals, due to their use of it for generation of nervous impulses and finer regulation of fluid balance. In animals, sodium ions (often referred to as just "sodium") are necessary for regulation of blood and body fluids, transmission of nerve impulses, heart activity, and certain metabolic functions."
"The renin-angiotensin system and the atrial natriuretic peptide indirectly regulate the amount of signal transduction in the human central nervous system, which depends on sodium ion motion across the nerve cell membrane, in all nerves. Sodium is thus important in neuron function and osmoregulation between cells and the extracellular fluid; the distribution of sodium ions are mediated in all animals by Na+/K+-ATPase."
Sodium ions play a huge part in nervous system function and many other things.
Then there's the argument that salt deposits are inorganic, just like eating rock dust.
The point of view that because salt is inorganic (not containing carbon), is therefore bad for the body is based largely on not understanding what the terms organic and inorganic really mean. The body uses and makes inorganic substances, I made a post on it recently. The body literally uses the inorganic form. I'd assume the body could break down organic compounds containing sodium to attain the ion as needed though.
My personal view is that eating a raw diet doesn't remove the body's need for sodium and that sodium is probably one of the most important nutrients for the body functioning well.
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General Discussion / Re: Bone broths best prepared raw, not cooked
« on: August 27, 2014, 10:28:05 am »
This post is making me want to start fermenting again!
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Raw Weston Price / Re: Unrefined Salt Experiments
« on: August 27, 2014, 08:08:35 am »
I don't get the arguing - if someone does or doesn't want to eat salt that's their choice.
Anyway, here's some info on animals seeking salt.
Wikipedia - Mineral Lick - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_lick
"A mineral lick (also known as salt lick or natural lick) is a natural mineral deposit where animals in nutrient-poor ecosystems can obtain essential mineral nutrients. In an ecosystem, salt/mineral licks often occur naturally, providing the sodium, calcium, iron, phosphorus and zinc required in the springtime for bone, muscle and other growth in deer and other wildlife, such as moose, elephants, tapirs, cattle, woodchucks, domestic sheep, fox squirrels, mountain goats and porcupines. Harsh weather exposes salty mineral deposits that draw animals from miles away for a taste of needed nutrients. It is thought that certain fauna can detect calcium in salt licks.[1]"
"Many animals regularly visit mineral licks to consume clay, supplementing their diet with nutrients and minerals. Some animals require the minerals at these sites not for nutrition, but to ward off the effects of secondary compounds that are included in the arsenal of plant defences against herbivory.[2] The mineral contents of these sites usually contain calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg), sulfur (S) phosphorus (P), potassium (K), and sodium (Na).[3][4][5][6] Mineral lick sites play a critical role in the ecology and diversity of organisms that visit these sites, but little is still understood about the dietary benefits. "The adjectives ‘mineral’ and ‘salt’ bear witness to the common proposition, in the ecological literature, that animals eat soil to satisfy a craving for nutrient minerals, resulting from inadequate forage. However, for wild animals which frequent licks, sodium is the only mineral identified so far, with strong evidence that an extra supply is indeed needed and sought in some cases."[7]:107"
Appears those animals are using "unrefined salt" lol.
Anyway, here's some info on animals seeking salt.
Wikipedia - Mineral Lick - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_lick
"A mineral lick (also known as salt lick or natural lick) is a natural mineral deposit where animals in nutrient-poor ecosystems can obtain essential mineral nutrients. In an ecosystem, salt/mineral licks often occur naturally, providing the sodium, calcium, iron, phosphorus and zinc required in the springtime for bone, muscle and other growth in deer and other wildlife, such as moose, elephants, tapirs, cattle, woodchucks, domestic sheep, fox squirrels, mountain goats and porcupines. Harsh weather exposes salty mineral deposits that draw animals from miles away for a taste of needed nutrients. It is thought that certain fauna can detect calcium in salt licks.[1]"
"Many animals regularly visit mineral licks to consume clay, supplementing their diet with nutrients and minerals. Some animals require the minerals at these sites not for nutrition, but to ward off the effects of secondary compounds that are included in the arsenal of plant defences against herbivory.[2] The mineral contents of these sites usually contain calcium (Ca), magnesium (Mg), sulfur (S) phosphorus (P), potassium (K), and sodium (Na).[3][4][5][6] Mineral lick sites play a critical role in the ecology and diversity of organisms that visit these sites, but little is still understood about the dietary benefits. "The adjectives ‘mineral’ and ‘salt’ bear witness to the common proposition, in the ecological literature, that animals eat soil to satisfy a craving for nutrient minerals, resulting from inadequate forage. However, for wild animals which frequent licks, sodium is the only mineral identified so far, with strong evidence that an extra supply is indeed needed and sought in some cases."[7]:107"
Appears those animals are using "unrefined salt" lol.
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