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Off Topic / Men and Women Sexual Relations around the world
« on: November 11, 2014, 01:32:02 AM »
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On a related topic, I have a Canadian friend and an Australian friend who live in Manila because they say finding good sex or any woman to have sex with in their respective countries is like "looking for a needle in a hay stack". (their exact words)

Especially when they get to around 50+

Anyone would like to share their experiences in your countries?

Lack of sex seems to sound more alarming and immediate than nuclear war!

Putin the Truth Teller. Putin the Truth Seeker. The highest ranking current reigning government official "Conspiracy Theorist" in the world. You need to listen, you need to understand. This speech marks the official start of the reorganization of this world for a better order than this current mess we are in. If you want truth speech. This is it.

Putin at Valdai - World Order: New Rules or a Game without Rules (FULL VIDEO)

It is long, it is loaded with truth speech.

A fresh speech with zero diplomatic bull shit. Direct to the point.

World leaders should speak like this.

I'm trying out new technology, potentially faster and better than the old tech.
This latest hosting is using Apache + Nginx as reverse proxy.
We are still using a dedicated SSD mysql server.
I also installed memcached.
And activated caching in this SMF forum.
Let's see how well it performs.
Report any problems or bugs.


Upgraded the forum to the latest version SMF 2.0.9
And the OS of this forum was changed to 64 bit.


Let's stick to scientific evidence and observation. 
Not politics.  Not "beliefs".

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Look at this scientific study.
Look at the huge number of scientists and institutions that took part in this scientific study.

Here is an extract from the study above:

"We have constructed a first-generation CNV map of the human genome through the study of 270 individuals from FOUR POPULATIONS with ANCESTRY in EUROPE, AFRICA and ASIA (the HAPMAP collection). DNA from these individuals was screened for CNV using two complementary technologies: single-nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) genotyping arrays, and clone-based comparative genomic hybridization. A total of 1,447 copy number VARIABLE REGIONS (CNVRs), which can encompass overlapping or adjacent gains or losses, covering 360 megabases (12% OF THE GENOME) were identified in these populations."

MODERN GENETICS have proved that we are all very much less alike than the Human genome project initially thought back in the year 2001. The HGP never even looked at COPY NUMBER VARIATIONS (CNV) because back then it did not even know that CNV's existed.

Here is an easy example of the error the human genome project made.

If one man has an apple and another man has 10 apples, then the HGP claimed that the apples between them were 99.9% identical. This was the logic of the human genome project, when it concluded that all humans are 99.9% identical.

BUT one man has more apples than the other.
This is a single "Copy number variation" (CNV)
As you can see CNV differences are very important.

Now modern science tells us that 12% CNV exists between the races.

Here it is presented in graphical form.

Then look at this scientific study.
Go to the Hapmap here...

Then click on the publication entitled:
Look at the huge number of institutions that took part (72) All the major genetic institutions from all over the world.

AND HERE are their findings:

"We describe the Phase II HapMap, which characterizes over 3.1 million human single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) genotyped in 270 individuals from four geographically diverse populations and includes 25–35% of common SNP variation in the populations surveyed."

So we know that
1) CNV differences between the races are 12%
2) SNP differences between the races are 20-33%.

Note that this is a second generation Hapmap study. The first generation study was of course the "human genome project."
The human genome project concluded that all humans are 99.9% identical based on SNP analysis.
How they did this considering that they only had the genome of one person is beyond me. This one genomes was also spliced together from multiple donors, so effectively it could not be used for any science apart to say that they had mapped the first human genome.

The second generation study as linked above proved that the real SNP difference is 25-35%. HUGE....

If the human genome is likened to a book, then a single SNP difference is a single word spelt wrong and a single CNV is a whole page that is different.

Genetics have proved huge genetic differences between the races.

This is SCIENCE fact.

What you have to ask yourself, is why liberals struggle to accept these scientific facts.

Don't liberals always claim that we have to celebrate our diversity.





Question: Maybe some of you guys and gals are more into this genetic stuff, kindly read, verify and explain.  This guy may be on to something.

Off Topic / The latest and greatest 911 Expose: Published on Sep 23, 2014
« on: September 24, 2014, 11:47:52 PM »
Only for the genuine truth seekers. The latest and greatest 911 Expose: Published on Sep 23, 2014 (read the summary)

Gordon Duff unloaded new shocking Russian Intelligence that ties in with other sources and names those responsible for planning and carrying out 9/11. Gordon tells you WHO did and WHO let go of Israelis caught during that day before they could bomb the tunnels and bridges. Never in history has so much Intel been dumped on 9/11 in one radio show!

Veterans Today Radio (9-22-14) Stew Webb, Gordon Duff, Jim Fetzer, Preston James

This is for all you history buffs to set the record straight.
No need to be emotional about it.
All this is rational investigation for the truth seekers.
It's been 13 years... let's not wait for 100 years before exposing the truth.
Demand to dig at the truth now.

Please pass on to friends and family.


 Published on Sep 23, 2014

Gordon Duff unloaded new shocking Russian Intelligence that ties in with other sources and names those responsible for planning and carrying out 9/11. Gordon tells you WHO did and WHO let go of Israelis caught during that day before they could bomb the tunnels and bridges. Never in history has so much Intel been dumped on 9/11 in one radio show!

Other subjects covered were as follows

The war in Ukraine has gone nuclear! The IEAE says that initial analysis shows that a Lance nuclear missile hit the factory that exploded outside of Donetsk. Lugansk coud have also been hit with a nuclear weapon. Only Israel still uses the Lance missile.

Russians are very upset over the Ukraine situation and have released more intelligence concerning 9/11 that will shock everybody that listens to this interview! US Intelligence wants you to share this information with as many others as possible and bring them to for the truth that nobody else in alternative media will report on.

Gordon also covers project "Able Danger" which is a project started after IEAE put out a report stating that the bombing of the federal building at Oklahoma City was done with a micro nuke. That's what did the damage and they proved it! This project was started to investigate the missing nuclear weapons stolen from the Pentax nuclear facility in Texas that went to Israel! They used the stolen US micronukes at 9/11, OKC, Bali, Khobar Towers in Saudi arabia and in the Bali bombing and others.

Monica Lewinsky was a Mossad asset to blackmail Clinton into stopping investigation of the nuclear weapon that took out federal building in Oklahoma City.

Note by Glenn: It makes sense that Drudge got his start on Lewinsky since US Intel has already reported that Drudge is an Israeli agent and was funded by Mossad agent Rupert Murdoch!

A Tomahawk cruise missile hit the pentagon after a group of investigating the missing nukes "Able Danger" was called into an emergency meeting into the room that was hit by the cruise missile! 35 of 50 of that investigative team was killed!

Special business people in Manhattan were protected on 9/11 by inviting them to a private golf outing by Warren Buffet! But that was only a cover, these CEOs of key firms in the World Trade Center were in reality kept secure at an Air Force base!

The investigation of the Israeli theft of our micro nukes is being investigated by a grand jury in Houston Texas right now.

Remember the fertilizer plant in Texas that blew up spectacularly? That was one of the locations where these stolen nuclear weapons were stored at for awhile. They blew it up to cover their tracks and evidence.

Israelis had planned to blow up Lincoln and Holland tunnels and the George Washington Bridge. Israel planted jammers that jammed the radios of police and firemen in New York City and these jammers have been recovered and are in evidence in Houston.

The Israelis caught trying to blow up George Washington bridge were released to an FBI agent who was a Mossad agent authorized to carry FBI ID! He let them go!

The Israelis caught trying to bomb Lincoln tunnel were released to the police commissioner of NYC and released by him never to be seen again!

Mayor of NYC directly involved with planning of 9/11 attack!

Much more in this incredible interview! Please share with all patriots and share on all walls and groups on facebook so everybody learns the truth about 9/11 and more! Please LIKE my page on facebook at as I will have a more detailed article up soon on this!

Hi,  I have gotten into buying whole live sheep and goat and I need your global inputs on the best methods and why and how to slaughter sheep and goat.

Also how to select good ones, the age, sex, weight, size.

For example 2 weeks ago I got a male goat, some 1.5 yrs old and 36 kilos live weight.

The slaughter method I chose was slitting his throat, otherwise, their usual method was hammering their heads.

But with throat slitting I could not get the blood to be drained for eating.

My theory is that hammering heads is very stressful for the animal.

Pictures and videos may help.

There are some livestock raisers here in my country who enclose goats in pens and give them grass and feeds and antibiotics.  Gross.  How to identify really grass fed ones, find healthy ones.

2 photos attached.  The white goat 36 kilos live weight.  And the torching process of removing all the hair so the skin can be cooked for eating.

General Discussion / MOVED: Hilary is a GMO shill
« on: September 08, 2014, 09:48:18 PM »

Just upgraded our hosting from Ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04

I see future tweaks.

Kindly report anything that seems to be bugs.

Had to upgrade because of Ubuntu 10.04 end of life thing.

Off Topic / Europe Goes Full Retard... Going to be a Cold Winter?
« on: September 08, 2014, 06:37:50 PM »
Hello there my European friends.

I just heard on the news that Euro politicians have gone full retard and played along with their American dictators.

Is it going to be a cold winter?  Unless of course you are as tough in winter as our lovely lady here...

Europe Goes "All In": Will Sanction Rosneft, Gazprom Neft And Transneft

Until this moment, the main reason why everyone mostly dismissed Europe's sanctions against Russia is that despite all its pompous rhetoric, Europe consistently refused to hit Russia where it would hurt: its energy titans Gazprom, Rosneft And Transfneft. The reason is simple: by imposing sanctions on these core energy exporters, Europe would directly threaten the stability of its own energy imports (Russia accounts for up to 30% of German gas imports), and as winter approaches with every passing day, playing with the energy status quo would seem like economic suicide. This all appears to have changed last Friday, when as the FT reports from a leaked copy, Europe's latest sanctions round will boldly go where Europe has never dared to go before, and impose sanctions on the big three: Rosneft, Gazprom Neft and Transneft.

All Wars Are Bankers' Wars - Please Distribute for Peace

All Wars Are Bankers' Wars

Published on Feb 4, 2013

Written and spoken by Michael Rivero. The written version is here:

Video by Zane Henry.

This video is in the public domain. The producers have waived their copyright to this video.

"The path to world peace is to ban all private central banks." --- this is the main idea here.

The message is so powerful this has been blacklisted on Facebook.  Try posting it and see for yourself.

Off Topic / Dino Fossils Have Soft Tissue, C14 is 22k - 39k years ago
« on: August 08, 2014, 08:13:42 AM »
True science is a process... continuous curiosity, discovery, debate.

A recent archaeological discovery that throws a wrench into the conventional theory of evolution has reportedly cost a California professor his job. Mark Armitage, a former scientist at California State University, Northridge (CSUN), was reportedly fired after claiming to have unearthed a dinosaur fossil that still contains soft, flexible tissue, suggesting that it can't be millions of years old.

Learn more:

T. Rex Soft Tissue Found Preserved
Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News
March 24, 2005

A Tyrannosaurus rex fossil has yielded what appear to be the only preserved soft tissues ever recovered from a dinosaur. Taken from a 70-million-year-old thighbone, the structures look like the blood vessels, cells, and proteins involved in bone formation.

Congratulations to the European Space Agency for bringing to the public pictures and eventually science about Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko which will be orbited and be landed upon by a lander from a robot named Rosetta.

Official Website is here

CHASING A COMET - The Rosetta Mission

Rosetta's orbit around the comet

How the Rosetta Spacecraft Will Land on a Comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko


Scientific evidence refuting the theory of modern humanity’s African genesis is common knowledge among those familiar with the most recent scientific papers on the human Genome, Mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosomes. Regrettably, within mainstream press and academia circles, there seems to be a conspicuous – and dare we say it – deliberate vacuum when it comes to reporting news of these recent studies and their obvious implications.

 Australian historian Greg Jefferys explains that, "The whole ‘Out of Africa’ myth has its roots in the mainstream academic campaign in the 1990?s to remove the concept of Race. When I did my degree they all spent a lot of time on the ‘Out of Africa’ thing but it’s been completely disproved by genetics. Mainstream still hold on to it."
It did begin the early 90’s. And the academics most responsible for cementing both the Out-of Africa theory and the complementary common ancestral African mother – given the name of “Eve” – in the public arena and nearly every curriculum, were Professors Alan C. Wilson and Rebecca L. Cann.
In their defense, the authors of this paper were fully aware that genealogy is not in any way linked to geography, and that their placement of Eve in Africa was an assumption, never an assertion.
A very recent paper on Y-chromosomes published in 2012, (Re-Examing the “Out of Africa” Theory and the Origin of Europeoids (Caucasians) in the Light of DNA Genealogy written by Anatole A. Klyosov and Igor L. Rozhanski) only confirms the denial of any African ancestry in non-Africans, and strongly supports the existence of a “common ancestor” who “would not necessarily be in Africa. In fact, it was never proven that he lived in Africa.”

Central to results of this extensive examination of haplogroups (7,556) was the absence of any African genes. So lacking was the sampling of African genetic involvement, the researchers stated in their introduction that, “the finding that the Europeoid haplogroups did not descend from “African” haplogroups A or B is supported by the fact that bearers of the Europeoid, as well as all non-African groups do not carry either SNI’s M91, P97, M31, P82, M23, M114, P262”.

 With the haplogroups not present in any African genes and an absence of dozens of African genetic markers, it is very difficult nigh on impossible to sustain any link to Africa. The researchers are adamant that their extensive study “offers evidence to re-examine the validity of the Out-of-Africa concept”.
They see no genetic proof substantiating an African precedence in the Homo sapien tree, and maintain that “a more plausible interpretation might have been that both current Africans and non-Africans descended separately from a more ancient common ancestor, thus forming a proverbial fork”.
We regard the claim of “a more plausible explanation” as a gross understatement, since there is absolutely nothing plausibly African turning up in any test tubes. In fact, the researchers made note of their repeated absence stating “not one non-African participant out of more than 400 individuals in the Project tested positive to any of thirteen ‘African’ sub-clades of haplogroup A”. The only remaining uncertainty relates to the identity of this “more ancient common ancestor”. All that can be stated with confidence is that humanity’s ancestor did not reside in Africa.
Unfounded accusations of racism have become common as the prevailing Afrocentric hypothesis is constantly being challenged by the growing mountain of conflicting scientific evidence, especially in the evolving field of genetics.

It is now scientifically irrefutable fact that the "human species" has been found to contain a substantial quantity of DNA (at least 20%) from other hominid populations not classified as Homo sapien; such as Neanderthal, Denisovan, African archaic, Homo erectus, and now possibly even "Hobbit" (Homo floresiensis).
If not given drugs to prevent infant death, the pregnant body of a rhesus negative mother will attack, try to reject, and even kill her own offspring if it is by a rhesus positive man.
The Domestic dog (Canis lupus familiaris) is a sub-species of the gray wolf (Canis lupus), and they  produce hybrids.
There are numerous other examples of where two separate species (for example with different numbers of chromosomes) can also produce viable offspring, yet are considered separate species. That said, humanity has been shown to be, genetically speaking, a hybrid species that did not all share the same hunter-gatherer ancestry in Africa.
Recent sequencing of ancient genomes suggests that interbreeding went on between the members of several ancient human-like groups more than 30,000 years ago, including an as-yet unknown human ancestor. "there were many hominid populations,” says Mark Thomas, evolutionary geneticist at University College London.
Recent genetic studies are touting shocking headlines about how ancient humans 'rampantly interbred' and indulged in inter-species interracial sex with multiple mystery sub-races in a "Lord Of The Rings"-style world of different creatures, including mystery DNA - neither human nor Neanderthal, not yet identified.

Question: Can someone please explain how this "haplo groups" thing works and how I as a lay man can understand this geneticist giberish?

In due time, all conspiracies will be revealed as true.
Because it does not matter any more.
Several generations have already been brainwashed.
Their plans had already succeeded.

We are left picking up the pieces and trying to restore health to our selves, and our family members and our friends.

I was born in 1969.

NWO Insider Reveals Entire NWO Plan in 1969! - 4hr Audio Tape:

"The few who DO notice the difference, won't be enough to matter."
--- This means some of us Raw Paleo Dieters, we are so few.

NWO Insider Reveals Entire NWO Plan in 1969!

 Published on Jun 30, 2014

This is amazing information from Dr. Lawrence Dunegan who was invited to attend a lecture by Dr. Richard Day in 1969. Dr. Day told this room of about 80-90 doctors all about the changes they would witness in their lifetime as a result of "The Order" or as we know it now as the New World Order or Illuminati. Dr Day told the doctors that he was free to speak at this time because everything was in place and nobody could stop them now!

Recording devices were not allowed in the room and taking notes was not allowed. Luckily, Dr. Dunegan had a near photographic memory and took good notes when he got home from the lecture. The notes stayed in his desk for 20 years until he pulled them out and decided to make audio tapes of the information in 1989.

Dr Day stated that he would be in real trouble if the information he was telling them got out to the general public. Was it a coincidence that Dr. Day died the same year that Dr. Dunegan began distributing this information on audio tapes in 1989?

After the lecture was completed, Dr. Day gave a hypnotic suggestion to the entire room that they would probably forget everything they heard today but would be ready for the coming changes. When Dr. Dunegan asked some of his friends that were in the room what they thought of the lecture a few weeks later, none of them could tell them what it was about!

Here are just some of the topics covered in this video created from Dr. Dunegan's audio tapes about the plans of the new world order.

Girls would be discouraged from playing with dolls so they wouldn't think about babies. They would be encouraged to get out on the soccer field instead.

Guns would be eliminated almost entirely and the few that were allowed to have them for hunting would have to check them out from officials.

They already could cure over 98% of all cancers - they had the cures at the Rockefeller Institute. But they would not be released because there were too many people in the world and they had to die of something.

Homosexuality will be encouraged - anything goes.

Families will diminish in importance. People would be encouraged to live alone.

Euthanasia will be encouraged - they will use "the demise pill" to kill themselves.

Births will be strictly controlled and you could not simply have children because you wanted them.

"stupid" people would not eat correctly and exercise so they would die much earlier and that's what they wanted.

Private doctors will be eliminated - doctors make too much money.

They will make health care so expensive that you must have insurance or be financially destroyed. Limiting access to affordable medical care will make eliminating elderly easier. They would stop hospitals from giving any charity care.

New difficult to treat and diagnose diseases will come about as a means of population control.

Running shoes and sports equipment will be made glamorous to make the "smart" people get into exercise.

Romantic music will not be put out anymore. All the old music will be brought back on certain "oldies" radio stations and the young people will have their own radio stations. Old movies will be put again for the old people.

Entertainment will be used to mainly change and program the young people. The old people are important anyway so they don't care much about them.

Entire meals will be made and put in grocery stores. Convenience foods will be made unhealthy. They wanted people that were too lazy to fix their own meals or exercise to die early.

They would make puberty come on earlier.

Inducing heart attacks as a means of assassination.

They will blend all religions but Christianity had to go especially! Once the Roman Catholic is brought down then the rest will go next. Then they will create a new religion.

They will change the Bible over time - churches would help them!

The education system will be restructured as a tool of indoctrination. Kids will spend more time in school but won't learn anything. Kids will have to specialize early on in their education and changing their plans will be very difficult.

ID will be required for all travel. They will implant IDs inside the skin so that nobody could say they lost their IDs.

They will control who has access to information. Some books will just disappear or be changed. They will even have thieves steal certain books from the library.

Drug use will be encouraged to encourage a "Jungle" atmosphere. Meanwhile police enforcement to put people in prison for drugs will be drastically increased.

Food will be strictly controlled and people would be not allowed to grow their own. They only would give you enough food to give you what you needed but hoarding food or growing food would be criminal activities. They didn't want anybody to be able to support those outside their system.

We are the last humans on Earth!

14 We are the last humans on Earth!

How the Neanderthals disappeared

15 How the Neanderthals disappeared

How the T-Rex Vanished

16 How the T-Rex vanished

Economic Collapse: The End of Man

17 Economic Collapse: The End of Man

Paper: We are the Last Generation of Humans on Earth

Off Topic / The Moon is Not What it Seems to Be
« on: July 25, 2014, 11:56:43 AM »
The Lion Sleeps No More Moon Control

Who built the moon?

Skip to 51 minutes for the discussion.


Simple telescope shows moon is a hologram.

Proof For Moon Hologram - Energy Pulse & UFO Found In Clip (Embedding disabled, limit reached)

I need to buy a new telescope.

Health / Emergency / Survival Foods for Raw Paleo Dieters
« on: July 24, 2014, 05:50:11 AM »
We need collective ideas on Emergency / Survival Foods for us Raw Paleo Dieters.

I bumped into this problem in September 2011 when my family did a month long survival drill and we were doing canned and bottled food.  As a raw paleo guy, I struggled with the corned beef and sardines and had immense stomach aches.  My wife told me I would be the first to die in a real emergency.  So after that I try to eat some of the emergency food (when I remember) and some cooked meat, just enough to train my tummy so I do not get these immense stomach aches when I do eat them.

Today, Iguana gave great ideas, new to me, about better survival food:

"There can be much better emergency / survival foods than canned ones. Home dried fruits, carob, tamarind, honey, dry chufas, lentils and even whole rice to be soaked can be kept several years in closed jars. Most nuts (almonds, hazelnuts, walnuts, macadamias, pine nuts, peanuts etc.) can be stored many years too. Meat will be all right up to 3 months in fridge and can even be eaten much later and completely dry after being cut in small pieces with a good knife. Eggs can be stored several months in cold place, ideally a fridge. Dry fish is also an option."

So I am opening this thread so we can all contribute ideas for emergency / survival foods for us raw paleo dieters.

Health / The Hidden Disease: Testosterone Deficiency
« on: July 22, 2014, 11:42:32 AM »
I am doing new investigations on Testosterone Deficiency.

Brought about again by sick people, sick women, maybe some sick men too.

May be connected to a bunch of ailments no one can fix until they look at testosterone deficiency.

And that this deficiency is caused by many things:

- Castrated Livestock
- Population Control / Depopulation / Condoms / Drugs / Lack of real sex where you ejaculate into the vagina on a regular basis (women should be getting regular testosterone via this method. Our mothers and grandmothers did.)
- Estrogen pollution in our food and pollution
- Estrogen laden diets
- Quality of men's semen / sperm quantity down

I'm guessing an epidemic of PCOS and Myomas / Uterine Fibroids... the illnesses of nuns.

Please contribute your research and experiences with this immense testosterone deficiency hitting the human race in the 21st century.

Check out this great old website:

Many impressive videos, in WMV format, you have to right click to download.  No youtube.

Biologists discover electric bacteria that eat pure electrons rather than sugar, redefining the tenacity of life

By Sebastian Anthony on July 18, 2014 at 8:51 am

Some intrepid biologists at the University of Southern California (USC) have discovered bacteria that survives on nothing but electricity — rather than food, they eat and excrete pure electrons. These bacteria yet again prove the almost miraculous tenacity of life — but, from a technology standpoint, they might also prove to be useful in enabling the creation of self-powered nanoscale devices that clean up pollution.


Over 3500 different species have been identified by a form of statistical analysis known as metagenomics. Basically, they sequenced all the genetic material in their samples at once, and used sophisticated analytical techniques to make sense of the resulting jumble of information. This technique has proven extremely useful in identifying species in an agricultural soil sample, for instance, but this is the first time its use has revealed a whole group of totally novel organisms.

Startling headlines about new life forms in Antarctica’s Lake Vostok conjure up images of terrifying underwater creatures. But the reality is a little less lurid. VoR’s Alice Lagnado reports.

Hard work to uncover secrets

Lake Vostok is one of the most exciting places for scientists in the world today

This huge body of water has been cut off from the rest of the world for as many as 14 million years, though experts can’t put an exact figure on it. And the lake’s hidden under nearly four kilometres of ice, so it’s not easy to access.

Now, Russian scientists are working hard to uncover the secrets of Lake Vostok. They want to find out what might have been able to survive inside this extreme and sunless environment.

They believe that conditions in the lake are similar to those on Jupiter’s moon, Europa - where it’s thought that an ocean is concealed under an icy crust.
Read more:

As you guys know lately I have been interested in ancient aliens / Annunaki being the creators of humans on Earth as a result of genetic engineering and more breeding from themselves when we became compatible.

In the ancient Sumerian stories it mentioned a curiosity that after the Great Flood of Noah's ark fame... they jump started human civilization and gave humans SHEEP from their planet Nibiru.

So I got curious and started researching for SHEEP

And this is what I came up with:

The history of the domesticated sheep traces back to between 11000 and 9000 BC, and the domestication of the wild mouflon in ancient Mesopotamia. Sheep are thought to be one of the first animals domesticated by humans, and there is evidence of sheep farming in Iranian statuary dating to that time period. These sheep were primarily raised for meat, milk, and skins. Woolly sheep began to be developed around 6000 BC in Iran, and cultures such as the Persians became dependent on sheep's wool for trading. They were then imported to Africa and Europe via trading.

Wild Ancesters (unclear)

The exact line of descent between domestic sheep and their wild ancestors is unclear.[1] The most common hypothesis states that Ovis aries is descended from the Asiatic (O. orientalis) species of mouflon. It has been proposed that the European mouflon (O. musimon) is an ancient breed of domestic sheep turned feral rather than an ancestor, despite its commonly being cited as ancestor in past literature.[2]:5 A few breeds of sheep, such as the Castlemilk Moorit from Scotland, were formed through crossbreeding with wild European mouflon.[3]

Then I saw this:

Why do the religious have to get involved in this?  Human origins thing... bible thing:

I got interested in sheep because of a disagreement I had with a particular sermon  that I heard as a young boy.  The elderly Methodist minister said that the reason why sheep and lambs were so revered in the Bible was because they had no wild ancestors. The sheep exists solely as a domestic animal for man to use, just as man exists solely for God’s purposes.

Of course, I was skeptical. I had never heard of a domestic species that had no wild variant. Animals didn’t just appear.


Well, it turns out that the European mouflon is actually the dingo among sheep. Just as dingoes descended from fully domesticated dogs, mouflon descend from some population of wild Asian sheep. These sheep went wild after been introduced to Europe. They first appeared in Corsica and Sardinia 7,000 years ago, and from there, they began to appear on the European mainland. For a long time, it was believed that the European mouflon was the ancestor of domestic sheep.

But it is actually the other way around. Domestic sheep are the ancestors of the European mouflon.

That is nice to know, but it still doesn’t tell us what the wild ancestor was.

Someone already made a comment about Sumerian texts and Nibiru origins in 2013:

Let us review another approach, the scientific and the historical/mythological.
I begin with the historical/mythological.
I have read the book The Lost book of Enki (by Zecharia Sitchin) where he tell us about what sumerians said about, among other things, the sheep, also known as Ovis aries. (Nowadays we know that the Holy Bible, old part at least, are legacy stories from the sumerians religion, among others the Deluge and Genesis).
Sitchin (the sumerians actually) says that the sheep come from another planet. I like his books but this time I thought that he went crazy…
But now I found a research by The Royal Society (Stefan Hiendleder and others) named “Molecular analysis of wild and domestic sheep questions current nomenclature and provided evidence for domestication from two different subspecies” and you can read this paper here:
In the discussion part, page 11, you can read: “…as maternal ancestors of O. aries, the origin of haplogroup A remains unknown. ”
They, in this paper, talk about two old kind of sheep groups: A and B. Group B seems to have something common with Ovis musimon, while group A have NOT some known (in Earth?) ancestor.
Science confirm what Sitchin says, that Ovis aries (domestic sheep, cluster “A”) have not an ancestor. Not known in this planet anyway.

I also remember a teaching from "Food is your Medicine" by Henry Bieler that he recommends SHEEP in the rawest form possible for human consumption as the best meat of all time.

I look forward to all you guys and gals' research and POVs in this hunt for truth about SHEEP.

Kindly monitor the performance of this machine as I have increased the number of CPUs from 1 to 4.

Hopefully it is faster and remains stable.

In the cooked world of SAD people, making soups, bone broths and fish broths is vital for breast milk supply.

How about on raw paleo without the broths?  Without the soups?

Can you do without the soups?

What is your experience with breast feeding while on Raw Paleo diet?

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