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Hot Topics / Re: Unusually favourable pro-raw vegan diet article
« Last post by TylerDurden on Today at 12:36:36 AM »
Our RVAF diet community gets a lot of ex-raw vegans. I was a raw vegan before doing this diet. The point being that some people find the notion of eating raw meat ghastly so start with more socially-acceptable raw plant foods then move on to raw dairy and finally start eating raw meat. So I have no problem with supporting raw vegan diets.
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Panacea, iguana is explaining a narrower use of the word "instinct" as it is used in instinctotherapie, which teaches a mindful application of taste and smell used to guide a person to select foods to eat at any given time by the taste and smell signals, much in the same way as a pastured cow selects each legume or grass plant that it eats from among the variety of plants in the pasture. If this method is used to guide food intake, the food must be unprocessed, unseasoned, etc., so that the signals of flavor and odor are not altered. There is other information about this approach elsewhere in this forum, but it has no direct application to designing a low-carb diet.

If you do decide to learn instinctotherapie, you can use it with a low-carb diet. For example, since I eliminated the whole range of sweet-tasting foods, I have used instinctotherapie to learn to identify a signal that tells me to stop eating a sugar-y food - it's an immediate signal that feels like I just ate a big bite of fiberglass insulation and there's a tightness at the base of my tongue that prevents me from swallowing.
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Hot Topics / Re: Unusually favourable pro-raw vegan diet article
« Last post by dariorpl on Yesterday at 11:43:19 PM »
Raw veganism is very popular nowadays. The very term raw food, raw diet or raw foodism is almost universally assumed to refer to a raw vegan diet. People hear raw food and the next thought that comes to their mind is that meat is bad for you and you should avoid it by eating raw foods only. Everywhere you go, you hear about how everybody needs to eat more fruits and vegetables. I'm not impressed.
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General Discussion / Re: Eating raw meat after a crow ate some
« Last post by dariorpl on Yesterday at 11:37:53 PM »
Next time wait for the crow, and get it when it comes to steal your meat. Then you can eat the meat as well as the crow. Kill two birds with one stone and all ;)

I personally avoid frozen meat and look at freezing as a similar process to cooking, though not as harmful.
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@Iguana
Again I don't agree with you, more foods will become attractive the longer you abstain from food no matter what the foods are. If you go starving for long enough, your own body parts or the human bodies of others start to look tasty. That is definitely based on instinct (to survive) but it doesn't really tell you what are the optimum foods. Simply making yourself more hungry so you can stomach new foods (healthier ones) is a sound strategy, but you have to intellectually know which foods are healthier using your brain, not sense of taste/smell, until your body is familiar with it and associates certain tastes/smells with not being a danger, and making you feel energetic. That is very hard to do to isolate what foods are good unless you only eat one thing at a time, or know before hand which foods are best using your intellect. Also, eating one food at a time will most likely cause nutritional deficiencies which increase hunger, and even increase hunger for subpar foods to try and compensate. In short, I don't put much stock in "instinct" because the environment around us is completely full of non-evolutionary stimuli. We are in a new "jungle" of food with an outdated taste navigation system that can never catch up without intellect filling the gaps.

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True enough!
http://www.nutramed.com/eatingdisorders/addictivefoods.htm
http://www.ranprieur.com/readings/origins.html


Iguana, that "trigger-food avoidance" approach to eating disorder treatment has less than a 2% success rate when used alone, although it is utilized well in treating other health issues.
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It took me c. 3 weeks before I liked the taste of raw grassfed meats. I found the taste of raw grassfed organ-meats and raw wild game too rich at first but soon started to prefer their taste after some months of going RVAF. In my 20s,  before I went raw vegan, fruitarian and then rawpalaeo, I found I no longer liked the taste of cooked foods  but had to eat them anyway for sustenance.
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Grains, dairy and cooked foods contain opioids which affect the brain and cause addiction.

TD, I do not intend to debunk your opioid warnings, but were talking about another specific factor here: glucose utilization at the cellular level. I don't see the point in lumping all cravings-triggers into one "eat raw!" solution. Avoiding foods that produce an opioid effect is another issue entirely.
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Sorry I don't buy it, if our instinct is fooled by processed, mixed, heated stuff, then why does my taste tell me when I eat raw grassfed beef, egg yolks, or salmon, that it isn't delicious? That isn't processed, mixed, or heated stuff. Basically, eating what I evolved to eat doesn't give me any good signals yet, and there are no direct "processed, mixed, heated stuff" interfering with my taste buds at that time.

Because you're in a state of overload in some nutrients contained in these raw foods! Thus, you abut directly on the instinctive stop signals. Cease completely to eat cooked, processed, mixed foods and in a few days most raw foods will become attractive and delicious to you, according to your current needs. It may not be immediately meat, eggs or salmon but something else. 

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The truth must be that it's the brain, familiarity most of all of taste, texture, temperature of food, consistency, flavor, etc that tells us what is good or not at that moment. Kids in other countries treat raw live caught tarantulas as a delicacy, and when given the option would prefer that type of food over McDonalds (they did a test of this in their school) that is a behavioral/cultural adaptation, not an evolutionary one. In the US kids would prefer McDonalds over tarantulas, etc. Everywhere you go, people prefer what they are used to, in the forms they are used to, since taste is largely subjective to what you're used to.

There's some truth in what you wrote, but the examples you give are rather exceptions than generalities. In general, animals and humans fall into the cooked food, get in overload and are no longer able to eat most foods raw. That's certainly why cooking habits became generalized and aren't reversible — unless we understand this phenomenon.  ;)     
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Sorry I don't buy it, if our instinct is fooled by processed, mixed, heated stuff, then why does my taste tell me when I eat raw grassfed beef, egg yolks, or salmon, that it isn't delicious? That isn't processed, mixed, or heated stuff. Basically, eating what I evolved to eat doesn't give me any good signals yet, and there are no direct "processed, mixed, heated stuff" interfering with my taste buds at that time.

The truth must be that it's the brain, familiarity most of all of taste, texture, temperature of food, consistency, flavor, etc that tells us what is good or not at that moment. Kids in other countries treat raw live caught tarantulas as a delicacy, and when given the option would prefer that type of food over McDonalds (they did a test of this in their school) that is a behavioral/cultural adaptation, not an evolutionary one. In the US kids would prefer McDonalds over tarantulas, etc. Everywhere you go, people prefer what they are used to, in the forms they are used to, since taste is largely subjective to what you're used to.
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