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Although a fictional program, characters from "The Dukes of hazzard" and much of the plot were based on truish stories from Appalachia. Kentucky was full of Boss Hogg style corruption, moon shine runners, beautiful home grown Daisies and plenty of good ol boys never meaning no harm..and to this day, still is in some ways... On some level those colorful country people forgotten by the big wide world world, may not be that much different from the Boss oligarchs, vodka brewers, beautiful Russian Daisies and good ol comrades of the Taiga 

Typical example of the Boss Hogg Corruption which continues to this day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO4gPCpws60

A Notable fun fact. The actor Sorrell Booke which played Boss Hogg regularly ate Raw liver to help him get into the role.
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I had always thought that "Hazzard County, Georgia" was only a fictional county derived from one of the favourite TV series of my childhood. It seems that, on checking, there is only one "Hazard Town" in the US albeit with only one "z" and in Kentucky, sadly, but CK's Freudian slip "Hazzard" made me laugh in recollection. I suppose, sadly, that the TV show bore no similiarity whatsoever  to what it was  really like in Georgia, let alone Hazard County, Kentucky....
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On a more or less related thread, I have been studying the school of life, there are some thought provoking animated shorts, and this clip goes to the heart of the divide between the old world and new world view of money and democracy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzr3AOtFA8o
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My mother grew up in a town poorer than many of the poor of hazard and the house where she lived with her 5 siblings my great grandparents , and grandmother didn't have indoor plumping until the 1990s, yet when ever I would go visit as a child I noticed that they were happy people and lived good lives. My grandmother told me of growing up in a cabin her grandfather built, and of how she never even knew she was poor because there was nothing to compare their conditions to.... I am a critic of the idea that somehow life got better for our family by moving to the mini metropolis of Lexington...the standard of living increase seemed to directly coincide with a loss of over all health and happiness in my mothers generation.

The exodus from the country side to the city has been just as detrimental to family farms in America as they have been in Russia...Once the interstate went in my mothers home town died, the lumber mill closed, and most of the people left... The money is aggregated to the city and like moths to a flame the people go...only recently has there been a move for a small minority of brave souls to leave Babylon and return to the land... This trend is very small in the grand scheme of things and would go unnoticed by most...I am only aware of it because of my own personal quest for Paleo Quality foods.

To me many of these comparisons between two different worlds can be as harmful as helpful, because we never know for sure what the experience of others truly is....compassion and the understanding that there are some things we will never understand is much more helpful in cultivating acceptance and peace of mind for the things we cant change, and the wisdom to know of the things we can actually do something about.



I will explain.  Organic farming is very limited and it will stay limited because there are very few people who are health conscious to drive the demand.  At best the sanctions will result in several big industrial farms using typical industrial pesticides and fertilizers.  Nothing more.  When there is shortage of produce no one gives a shit if it is not organic.  Grow this much volume of food as quickly as possible, make it affordable for people, fill up the shelves, and hope it does not end up with unrest.

Come off it, You cant know this for sure.

One of the primary incentives for the new policies of the Russian government to encourage ecologically grown foods is money....in the next few years as more people awaken to the benefits of more ecologically grown foods there will be a huge increase in demand, which if Russia is able to expand their production of Organics, they will be able to make very good economic gain....Demand already exceeds supply, so I do not see why there will not be an effort to increase production of NON GMOs that can be sold for a much higher price.

The fact that most people dont care about ecologically sound food, is a defeatist attitude, which presupposes that things will never change...but people are capable of change and all it would take is an enlightened faction within the New guard to encourage the people toward these trends and like wild fire these ideas will spread, and the next generation will be demanding the kind of changes that we would want to see in the world.
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ys, I've driven through Hazzard and surrounding areas, and lived within 100 miles of there my whole life. Plenty of people in Hazzard don't have hot water, running water, etc.. It's actually very similar to where you grew up, in terms of poverty. However, Hazzard and a few other places in Appalachia (and inner cities, etc.) are as bad as it gets in the US. Most places are obviously much better off.
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Health / Re: Water intake/needs
« Last post by djr_81 on Yesterday at 09:47:35 PM »
what type/kind of water you drink?
Regular bottled water. Poland Springs. Definitely not ideal but the quality of our tap water varies greatly being a shallow well.
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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Where Have all the Cowboys Gone (Russia?)
« Last post by ys on Yesterday at 02:03:56 PM »
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Say what you will about Russia, but at the very least you can say they are not actively funding and supporting ISIS and Islamic terrorism unlike the west.

Let's leave this to another thread.  The topic is Family/Organic farming in Russia.

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On the other hand, maybe sanctions are forcing a boost in domestic food production of some sort?

I will explain.  Organic farming is very limited and it will stay limited because there are very few people who are health conscious to drive the demand.  At best the sanctions will result in several big industrial farms using typical industrial pesticides and fertilizers.  Nothing more.  When there is shortage of produce no one gives a shit if it is not organic.  Grow this much volume of food as quickly as possible, make it affordable for people, fill up the shelves, and hope it does not end up with unrest.
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It is interesting to read your experience and knowledge of Russia, Thank you for sharing...  But why does it matter how poor or how rich Russia is?  Germany had really great technology under the rule of Hitler.  Material wealth is irrelevant to how moral a society is.

Say what you will about Russia, but at the very least you can say they are not actively funding and supporting ISIS and Islamic terrorism unlike the west. 
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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Where Have all the Cowboys Gone (Russia?)
« Last post by ys on Yesterday at 01:36:50 PM »
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.Spend 6 months living on minimum wage in Hazard Kentucky and I am sure you will find there are parts of Russia that wouldn't seem that bad by comparison...

LOL.  Dude, you have no idea where I've been and what I have seen and where I lived.
Your Hazard Kentucky would be a paradise compared to where I came from.

Do people in Hazard have running water?  Do they have hot water?  Can they take shower daily?  When they go to the store do they see empty shelves?  Can they buy toilet paper?

I grew up in the small town pop 30,000.  My family finally got a one-bedroom apartment for 5 of us on the 5th floor and no elevator.  The pumps in the water tower were not powerful enough and we would get water only at night.  So we would fill up bath tub at night and use that water during the day for cooking, washing hands, and flushing toilet with a bucket.  Every weekend we would go to public bath to wash ourselves.  The bath house had long stone benches, you would pick up zinc basin, fill it up with water, put it on the bench and wash yourself.  Bath house had an old, dark, and dirty sauna but it was the highlight of the bath trip.  I still miss russian sauna.

We had black and white TV with 2 channels and that was in 80s.   How many TV channels you had in Hazard in the 80s?

We used newspapers and magazines because toilet paper was never to be found in the whole town.  Could you buy toilet paper in Hazard in the 80's?

People had to travel several hours to the nearest big city to get most of the goods, clothing, and food such as sausage and fish.  There was decent fresh food at the wet market but it was very expensive and we could only buy small amounts every week.

The school had a single bathroom outside.  It was just wide open concrete slab with 5-6 holes in it.  The sight and smell was something else, esp in the winter where you had to be very careful not to slip on the yellow ice and not step on the piles of shit.  Have you had such a gem in Hazard?

So we lived like this for 12 years.  And it was considered decent because smaller towns or villages had it much worse.  Iguana is absolutely correct.  The country side was developing painfully slow and looked dilapidated almost everywhere.  It was everyone's dream to get out of this shit hole and relocate to a bigger city preferably Moscow or St. Petersburg.  But we did not have much freedom of movement.  It was incredibly difficult to change towns.  You could not register your new address unless you had a work in the new town.  And you could not get a work in the new town unless you register your address there.

We got lucky and moved to the US in 92.  We had no money and spoke no language.  Immediately we went to work for a minimum wage (4.25/h I still remember) during the day and in the evening we studied.  And you telling me about Hazard.  Can we stop this conversation now?

Of course it gotten much better since 80's and 90's but people have good memories and up to this day given the chance would trade countryside for a big city without much hesitation.   That's why there is no such thing as small family farmers in Russia. I am not saying they do not exist, they do, it's just there is so few of them that fact can be safely ignored.


Iguana,
It was really brutal starting around 88, 89, and all throughout 90s.  Starting with 2000 it gotten much better due to high oil and natural gas prices.  The peak of "prosperity" came around 2007.  But thanks to the imbecile Putin the country is plowing right back towards 90s.


 
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Health / Re: Water intake/needs
« Last post by political atheist on Yesterday at 01:20:06 PM »
I do best with close to a gallon of water. There's a natural stop. A little salt can be good but too much and I find it triggers a bowel movement for some reason.

what type/kind of water you drink?
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