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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Haida on July 09, 2009, 02:31:10 am
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What do you think about the blood type diet? I have recently found out that I am an O blood type. I found this out right after starting the raw paleo diet, after being vegetarian for 15 years.
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I don't think much about it, never researched it. It doesn't make very much evolutionary sense, since all the people in a tribe would be eating basically the same things yet have a few combinations of different blood types.
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From what I understand, according to the book, blood types has evolved with time. All (if not most) hunters and early tribe peoples were of O blood type.
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So that's a neolithic evolution then, blood types? Because as I understand it there were pretty much only hunters until the agricultural revolution which ushered the neolithic.
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Raw Kyle, you're talking out of your ass.
You have no idea what you're saying. Read D'Adamo's books or shut the **** up about it.
Even say it's pseudoscience if you want, but your logic is all skew-ways. We're from different ancestry and we did and could have eaten totally different things, then we interbreeded again.
D'Adamo's theories are controverial, but at least get half a CLUE what the theory is about before you talk nonsense and try to debunk a life's worth with your infantile ignorant statements.
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Tried it, it did no good for me.
I'm type A, and the diet had me eating beans. BEANS!!!
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your infantile ignorant statements.
Are they super infinitely infantile?
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To SuperInfinity--
For a long time, maybe 2-3 years, I thought that eating fruit was still very important. However, when I re-read this passage about the Masai and the Kikuyu from Chapter 10 of Dr. Price's book, it totally changed my pespective:
"In the Masai tribe, a study of 2,516 teeth in eighty-eight individuals distributed through several widely separated manyatas showed only four individuals with caries. These had a total of ten carious teeth, or only 0.4 per cent of the teeth attacked by tooth decay...
In contrast with the Masai, the Kikuyu tribe, which inhabits a district to the west and north of the Masai, are characterized by being primarily an agricultural people. Their chief articles of diet are sweet potatoes, corn, beans, and some bananas, millet, and Kafir corn, a variety of Indian millet. The women use special diets during gestation and lactation. The girls in this tribe, as in several others, are placed on a special diet for six months prior to marriage. They nurse their children for three harvests and precede each pregnancy with special feeding....The Kikuyus are not as tall as the Masai and physically they are much less rugged... A study of 1,041 teeth in thirty-three individuals showed fifty-seven teeth with caries, or 5.5 per cent. These were 36.4 per cent of the individuals affected."
The Masai ate almost nothing but meat, milk, and blood. The Kikuyu ate mostly plant-based carbs.
Here's the link to chapter 10-journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/price9.html (http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/price9.html)
When I re-read that passage, and thought about what it meant, and thought about my teeth sensitivity problems (which were caused by eating lots of fruit), I made some changes. Those changes have helped my teeth.
There are other things you can do to help your teeth, and I'm not totally against eating fruit, particularly in hot weather.
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There are a lot of holes in his theory. His diet doesn't work for me either.
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Hello,Haida! I have blood type O too ;) and raw vegan diet nearly killed me ( I only did it for less than a year)
Now I eat raw meat, fish and organs and feel great, so the theory about blood types worked for me and for my family ( most of them have blood type O). My mother started eating raw meat and liver and her health has improved a lot!
I try to avoid carbs and stick to raw protein meals. And I prefer vegetables to fruits.
Thanks for bringing such an interesting subject into the forum.
Haida, what's your experience with raw dairy? To eat or not to eat? I crave raw cream even though it's a big no-no for our blood type. :'(
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You have no idea what you're saying. Read D'Adamo's books o
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I really enjoyed his book, it saved my life by pointing me to the right direction ( towards raw paleo).
Thank God for his theory, the guy is a genius!
All of my family members found his theory nearly 100% correct, my close friends benefited from it too.
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Raw Kyle, you're talking out of your ass.
You have no idea what you're saying. Read D'Adamo's books or shut the **** up about it.
D'Adamo's theories are controverial, but at least get half a CLUE what the theory is about before you talk nonsense and try to debunk a life's worth with your infantile ignorant statements.
I think that this comment needs to be deleted as it's very rude and offensive.
What do the moderators think?
SuperInfinity, you need to stop eating too much fruit, you behave like a monkey. Monkeys don't have any manners, do they? If you eat the same diet as them you will start to behave like them.
It's very dangerous.
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I really enjoyed his book, it saved my life by pointing me to the right direction ( towards raw paleo).
Thank God for his theory, the guy is a genius!
All of my family members found his theory nearly 100% correct, my close friends benefited from it too.
Why does raw paleo working for you and your family have anything to do with that book? Maybe raw paleo is just the proper diet for humans? If I wrote a book about people with blue eyes doing well on meat and not on carbs, and you happened to have blue eyes, does that make my theory correct?
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I think that this comment needs to be deleted as it's very rude and offensive.
What do the moderators think?
SuperInfinity, you need to stop eating too much fruit, you behave like a monkey. Monkeys don't have any manners, do they? If you eat the same diet as them you will start to behave like them.
It's very dangerous.
I think he's edging his way toward a permanent ban, but I'd like to give him a little more latitude first. I'm not married to the idea of giving more latitude, I just think that we've given him a lot of research to look through, and he needs a little time.
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Hey, Kyle! What's your blood group? And have you ever read the book at all? :-))))))))))
I'm type O and all my best friends are blood type O too, including my ex-partner of 9 years ;)
I was surprised to find out that subconciously we tend to like people of the same blood type.
By the way I get on with any people but tend to get really close only to those who have blood type O ( close friends, lovers, partners, I can write a book about it).:-))))))))))
In Japan you have to disclose your blood type if you want to apply for certain vacancies, and Japanese people believe that relationships/marriages last longer if both partners share the same blood type ( and I totally agree with that).
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I think he's edging his way toward a permanent ban, but I'd like to give him a little more latitude first. I'm not married to the idea of giving more latitude, I just think that we've given him a lot of research to look through, and he needs a little time.
A Leopard never changes its spots l) but I think that permanent ban is too harsh!? do you believe in giving people another chance?
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A Leopard never changes its spots l) but I think that permanent ban is too harsh!? do you believe in giving people another chance?
I was just predicting what we'd end up deciding among the moderators, if he keeps up the abuse. Right now he appears to be taking a break, which could mean that
1. He's asleep
2. He's Working
3. He's doing some other daily activity
Or he could be actually doing the thing that would definitely avoid a permanent ban, which is actually doing the reading that many of us suggested. I think that my links to Dr. Price's work are pretty persuasive, and I definitely hope he's reading those. I think that particular passage I linked is probably one of the most powerful and useful bits of published dietary research, anywhere, anytime, by anyone. The thing that moved me away from daily fruit consumption (which I was still doing for health) and into a higher-fat diet was that passage, plus my personal experience of tooth damage from fruit, and other peoples' reports of tooth problems on a fruity diet. It was a big, big thing for me.
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I was just predicting what we'd end up deciding among the moderators, if he keeps up the abuse. Right now he appears to be taking a break, which could mean that
1. He's asleep
2. He's Working
3. He's doing some other daily activity
Or he could be actually doing the thing that would definitely avoid a permanent ban, which is actually doing the reading that many of us suggested. I think that my links to Dr. Price's work are pretty persuasive, and I definitely hope he's reading those. I think that particular passage I linked is probably one of the most powerful and useful bits of published dietary research, anywhere, anytime, by anyone. The thing that moved me away from daily fruit consumption (which I was still doing for health) and into a higher-fat diet was that passage, plus my personal experience of tooth damage from fruit, and other peoples' reports of tooth problems on a fruity diet. It was a big, big thing for me.
I'm actually a huge fan of Dr. Price's book. However taking one passage out of it and using that as evidence is not very persuasive.
Also most forums give some warning before banning someone. I think it's a bit ridiculous to just ban someone without warning or deleting any of their posts. But then I guess if people believe an obese doctor known as Atkins with chronic heart disease giving dietary advice on how to lose weight and feel great they'll believe anything.
Yes I have some animal protein in my diet. No I don't think it's necessary, I just don't want to take a CHANCE of being "very wrong", you are all taking a huge chance of being very wrong.
On behalf of actual paleo man, I urge you to rename this forum to "rawneoforum.com" and say you're following the Neolithic diet.
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Hey, Kyle! What's your blood group? And have you ever read the book at all?
A+ and no I haven't read the book. I did have some people tell me some things about it when I posted on a raw vegan forum years ago, but I don't remember much.
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Raw Kyle, I don't like your avatar. It makes me feel sick. -v
Not trying to be rude, just saying.
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I'm actually a huge fan of Dr. Price's book. However taking one passage out of it and using that as evidence is not very persuasive.
Also most forums give some warning before banning someone. I think it's a bit ridiculous to just ban someone without warning or deleting any of their posts. But then I guess if people believe an obese doctor known as Atkins with chronic heart disease giving dietary advice on how to lose weight and feel great they'll believe anything.
Yes I have some animal protein in my diet. No I don't think it's necessary, I just don't want to take a CHANCE of being "very wrong", you are all taking a huge chance of being very wrong.
On behalf of actual paleo man, I urge you to rename this forum to "rawneoforum.com" and say you're following the Neolithic diet.
You may want to re-think that stance. I'm a moderator. You're being rude to a number of people, and you're basically trolling.
Not only that, you're not even doing the research. The Kikuyu had 13 times the cavities as the Masai. I didn't say 13%, I said 1300%. Think about that. I'm not saying a pure meat diet is the perfect one (although the the traditional Inuit diet was almost all meat, fat ,and fish), I'm just saying...the numbers don't lie.
Not only that, if a particular food aids tooth health, it will almost certainly aid bone health.
What else do I have to say? Quit
1. being ignorant
2. trolling.
Please.
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it's nice to see we can have mature and intelligent discussion
you fail at this ^
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Hi Cosmo, I have found such a remarkably, positive change from following some of the blood type diet. Especially psychologically! Although I do not believe all of the book, I have found a basic truth to the difference in blood types. As far as dairy, it is better for me to stay away from it. If I have a little, once in a while, it does not bother me as much.
Thank you for your responses. It is an interesting topic. I have studied diet and how it relates to health for about 10 years. And the one truth I have found is that there is no one diet that is good for everyone. As far as fruit goes... my body does not appreciate alot of fruit. I do eat more fruit in the summer when its hot. But so far I think a diet of meat, dark-leafy greens, and berries suits me fine.
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I know a couple who follow that diet. The wife is type O (what D'Adamo calls the hunter-gatherer / predator blood type) and so follows the type O meat-based diet and is slim and relatively healthy. The husband is type A, so he follows the near-vegetarian type A diet and is obese and suffers from sleep apnea and other health problems. I've also noticed this on the Internet--every person I saw who reported remarkable benefits from the diet and proclaimed it was doing the type O diet, which is similar to a Paleo diet. That's not to say that no one does better on the other diets--it's hard to do worse than SAD--it's just that I've noticed a tendency for the type O dieters to do best.
Has anyone here done really well on any of the blood type diets other than O (and I don't mean just eliminating dairy--I mean the whole diet)? For clarity, instead of reporting that you did well on "the blood type diet," please specify which blood type diet you did well on. My guess is that most people will say type O if we have a significant number here that tried it and did well.
The real kicker is that D'Adamo himself essentially abandoned the Blood Type Diet and is now promoting a "Geno Type Diet." Here is how one perplexed BDT fan responded:
3.0 out of 5 stars Difficult to Digest When Such a Huge Fan of the BTD, January 6, 2008
By Jane Elizabeth Haddad (REAL NAME)
I have been a huge fan and advocate for the blood type diet for years. I swear by it, and recommend it to many of my family and friends. It made a big impact on how myself and my husband eat and excercise. The Geno Type diet honestly has me a little thrown off (although I am trying to keep an open mind) because some of the changes in my diet are pretty significant. I am a type A- and with the Blood Type Diet I was to avoid most dairy, which I honestly felt was very beneficial for me and I saw results. Now, by the GenoType Diet I can all of a sudden have all this cheese, many are now actually considered superfoods for me. And the cheese I could eat before is now toxic. When you have been living and believing a diet for years... it kind of turns your world upside down. I also noticed Ezekiel bread which is a staple in my house because of the BTD is not even mentioned in the GenoType. There is also a lot less stressing of soy. I really don't know what to think. Many other things are the same, but I do feel a bit puzzled. I would also like to mention that the website for the Genotype diet is pushed throughout the whole book. It costs 65 dollars to sign up for it (although I did get a special discount e-mail today). The book refers you to the website quite often and the book does not explain why things are good and bad for you, like the BTD book does. I can't help but feel, that Dr. D'Adamo is really out to make a buck here. I feel the book is not as informative as his other work.
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Interesting observation. And ya, when the author himself turns around and makes another "perfect diet" book that contradicts the first, you can surmise there is an overwhelming chance that their motivations are monetary and not altruistic or even scientific.
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I really liked the idea of the blood type diet when I first read D'Amado's book. As with the low-carb theory, it seems correct because it's so simple and elegant. But to quote Thomas Henry Huxley, "The great tragedy of Science is the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact". Apparently the whole evolution of blood types idea that he presents is not as grounded as he makes it out to be, although he seems to have extensive referencing. As of now, I trust the Weston A. Price Foundation, and they wrote their position here: http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/eat_right.html. Here's a quote:
"D'Adamo bases his theories on the assumption that early man had Type O blood, and that the A, B, and AB bloodtypes came long after. He claims that these later bloodtypes are genetically predisposed towards grains and milk products, foods that came in with agriculture and the domestication of animals, while Type Os are natural meat eaters. The evidence is less than convincing. Anthropologists can point to evidence that all four blood types existed back in the hunter/gatherer Paleolithic era, a fact that deflates Dr. D'Adamo's entire theoretical structure."
(Of course, the only link they reference to that statement is an email from someone. I'd like to know for sure.)
Also, I'm glad someone else pointed out that D'Amado has changed his position a bit, with his new "Genotype diet", which, although still incorporating blood types, does a complete flip-flop for some people following the previous diet. I briefly checked his site, dadamo.com, and apparently he thinks people should follow one or the other, depending one whether they want to avoid diseases or lose weight (http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm). I think that's bull. I think true health is the way to do both. D'Adamo's ambiguity makes for huge points against his credibility.
However, he has a clinic where he's supposedly helped a ton of people, and also the people who've read his books. There could be some truth to this blood type thing, or even the body type thing, as with the "genotype" diet (although people's bodies, as shown by Weston Price, can deviate quite a bit from their genetic potential if malnourished while growing). However, as the WAPF article points out, "all four diets eliminate chips, candy, donuts, cinnamon rolls and other junk foods comprised of sugar, wheat, salt, hydrogenated fats, and other known health destroyers. For Americans on the Standard American diet (SAD), adoption of any of the four diets would represent a considerable improvement." The very act of being forced to make one's own food, and leaving out the common irritants like grain and dairy out of most followers' diets, could account for all the benefits.
There probably has been some genetic adaption to agriculture. Obviously, when primitive peoples switched over to the "white man's" food, they got hit harder than any white man did. And still today, people with indigenous blood tend to be more prone to diabetes and being overweight, just from my own observation. But that doesn't mean that raw animal foods are not still the best diet for everyone. Obviously, we are all still the same species, and we still have the same carnivore gut that has been functioning for perhaps millions of years. Our appendix and caecums, used in herbivores for digesting cellulose, are still next to nothing. Someone also mentioned that idea about the Asians having larger pancreases, because of eating rice for so long. If that's true, maybe that would be evidence of somewhat adapting to carbs. But also keep in mind that Asians are generally shorter in stature, and come from a region with a long history of oppression, slavery, and malnourishment.
P.S. What's with SuperInfinity?? Raw Kyle wasn't even disagreeing with him, and he just snapped.
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P.S. What's with SuperInfinity?? Raw Kyle wasn't even disagreeing with him, and he just snapped.
You just gave a very good detailed description of it giving both sides of it. RawKyle wasn't. I didn't snap, I still think he was talking out of his ass in those first answers just because he didn't like the idea.
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...Also, I'm glad someone else pointed out that D'Amado has changed his position a bit, with his new "Genotype diet", which, although still incorporating blood types, does a complete flip-flop for some people following the previous diet. I briefly checked his site, dadamo.com, and apparently he thinks people should follow one or the other, depending one whether they want to avoid diseases or lose weight (http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm). I think that's bull. I think true health is the way to do both. D'Adamo's ambiguity makes for huge points against his credibility.
Heh, I agree. It's a lame excuse. Maybe it has more to do with money than with that excuse. I haven't researched it, but my guess would be that the Genotype Diet is his response to his critics who, like WAPF, point out that all blood types were present during the Stone Age (and they are apparently all present in chimps as well, according to one critique I read some time ago), and that he continues to say that the Blood Type Diet is good for some people so he won't lose the customers who still want to follow it.
However, he has a clinic where he's supposedly helped a ton of people, and also the people who've read his books. .... The very act of being forced to make one's own food, and leaving out the common irritants like grain and dairy out of most followers' diets, could account for all the benefits. ... There probably has been some genetic adaption to agriculture.
Yup, I agree again on all these points. There is interesting correlation between geographic distribution of blood types, of populations with agrarian vs. hunter-gatherer ancestry (what I think D'Adamo terms "migration patterns"), and of rates of diseases of civilization like celiac disease (though the patterns for the latter are less clear with more recent data). It's an area in need of more research.
The overall amount of adaptation to agrarian foods doesn't seem to be enough in any population to avoid diseases of civilization, so I agree that there's a good chance that RPD is still superior to the agrarian diet for all populations--for partially adapted is not the same as optimal. For example, Scandinavians have been eating dairy the longest and the most and yet reportedly have the highest rates of osteoporosis in the world (there are counterpoints like lack of sunlight, but Price didn't seem to find rampant dental or bone problems among the Indians of the Arctic).
Our appendix and caecums, used in herbivores for digesting cellulose, are still next to nothing.
Yes, and a different function has been postulated for the appendix in humans--as a backup storehouse of healthy gut bacteria in case the ones in the gut die off.
Someone also mentioned that idea about the Asians having larger pancreases, because of eating rice for so long. If that's true, maybe that would be evidence of somewhat adapting to carbs. But also keep in mind that Asians are generally shorter in stature, and come from a region with a long history of oppression, slavery, and malnourishment.
Yes, Asians still get vitamin A deficiency, nearsightedness, and even blindness when they eat too much rice, and not all Asians eat lots of rice. For example, I know someone from northern China where she says people rarely eat rice but do drink cow's milk--my guess is that they are descended from pastoralist peoples instead of crop-agrarians, based on her claim and my knowledge of the history of the area.
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Well, thank you all for your input. I am glad I posted the discussion. There is aLOT about D'Amado's Blood Type Diet that I do not believe to be accurate. But it was wonderful for me finding that I am an O type. As of now, the most healthful diet I have found, is raw paleo. It is also the most difficult for me because of lack of recipes for the family. I do also enjoy Weston Price's work, and that of Bernard Jensen.
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Yes, the type O diet is D'Adamo's best contribution so far, and better than most of the recommended diets out there that used a more scientific approach. A lot of the diet gurus get part of the picture right. So far I don't see anyone who gets the whole picture right, not even in the latest Paleo-type diet book I bought that was published in 2008.