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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach => Topic started by: miles on January 24, 2010, 07:33:11 am
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Should one still brush one's teeth on a 100% raw carnivorous diet?
I ask this because of several things I've heard regarding the brushing of one's teeth:
1) You shouldn't brush your teeth whilst they have much acid on them, since acid weakens your enamel, so brushing would remove the enamel(once it's gone it's gone - apparently);
2) You should brush your teeth to remove left-over carbohydrates(of some sort, or in general I don't remember), because bacteria(maybe anaerobic, again I don't remember) will turn the carbohydrates in to acid, which will weaken your enamel.
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You should brush your teeth regardless of the whole acid issue. Your mouth will naturally make more saliva when it's acidic. Don't worry about the acid. Always brush your teeth after eating anything that can ferment. Especially if it's in large amounts like grains.
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I use a toothbrush to brush my teeth but only use water. It's basically just remove the large bits of meat that could be stuck between teeth.
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Should one still brush one's teeth on a 100% raw carnivorous diet?
I ask this because of several things I've heard regarding the brushing of one's teeth:
1) You shouldn't brush your teeth whilst they have much acid on them, since acid weakens your enamel, so brushing would remove the enamel(once it's gone it's gone - apparently);
2) You should brush your teeth to remove left-over carbohydrates(of some sort, or in general I don't remember), because bacteria(maybe anaerobic, again I don't remember) will turn the carbohydrates in to acid, which will weaken your enamel.
Generally, it's better to swish with something like bone meal, dolomite, or healing clays after eating fruits like mango, apple, pear, etc., instead of brushing immediately. Give the bone meal or other mineral time to neutralize the acids, at least 15 minutes, maybe, and then you can safely brush.
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uh, that's what saliva does, it neutralizes acid.
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uh, that's what saliva does, it neutralizes acid.
Not as well as bone meal, dolomite, etc. I nearly destroyed my teeth through years of fruitarianism, and I know how to fix teeth problems from fruit better than almost anyone, just because I learned to heal my own teeth. :)
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Generally, it's better to swish with something like bone meal, dolomite, or healing clays after eating fruits like mango, apple, pear, etc., instead of brushing immediately. Give the bone meal or other mineral time to neutralize the acids, at least 15 minutes, maybe, and then you can safely brush.
How about salt? Will salt & clay be better? I usually follow Robert O. Nara's advice to brush just with salt water and use an irrigator.
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Of course fruit will destroy your teeth. If the rate of destruction is greater than the rate of repair, then things will get broken down as in severe fruitarianism. If you had eaten one fruit a day, I doubt that you had to brush your teeth. Hunter/gatherers don't brush and they certainly don't go overboard with eating fruits and veggies. Look at diehard vegans, they're the ugliest people alive. Bad hair, skin, and teeth, not to mention muscles. I can't stand how yellow their teeth are... disgusting.
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Should one still brush one's teeth on a 100% raw carnivorous diet?
I ask this because of several things I've heard regarding the brushing of one's teeth:
1) You shouldn't brush your teeth whilst they have much acid on them, since acid weakens your enamel, so brushing would remove the enamel(once it's gone it's gone - apparently);
2) You should brush your teeth to remove left-over carbohydrates(of some sort, or in general I don't remember), because bacteria(maybe anaerobic, again I don't remember) will turn the carbohydrates in to acid, which will weaken your enamel.
Not true, if you're ingesting stuff like glycerine from toothpastes regularly, which most people are, this prevents enamel & your teeth from regrowing
Unless the study specifically states a control with a period of time to allow for the decay of substances like glycerines & other substances, & specifically rule out glycerine fluoride etc., those studies are either fake or seriously flawed
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Look at diehard vegans, they're the ugliest people alive. Bad hair, skin, and teeth, not to mention muscles. I can't stand how yellow their teeth are... disgusting.
Their diet causes gall bladder problems and liver problems. That's why their teeth are yellow. They need raw meat, raw animal ferments and raw animal fats from non-grain fed animals to clean it up and nourish their livers and bones.
When I had an active lifestyle (years) and was vegan (years) my muscles were miniscule to none. I'm not active now but unlike before my lower back muscles and midback muscled are rock hard and decent size (or so I'm told by several people). I used to be told I had a weak back etc all kinds of stuff about how weak my back was. My back hurt everyday for years. I had to do hatha yoga just so I could bend my back and get out of bed in the mornings, but not since I eat RAF's.
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Will salt & clay be better? I usually follow Robert O. Nara's advice to brush just with salt water and use an irrigator.
Clay I like. How long have you been following Nara? http://www.oneradionetwork2.com/mp3/health/dental/nara_robert_dds_dental_prevention_methods_cavaties_december_03_09.mp3
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Never use salt
Salt is another form of gun powder of TNT, it becomes explosive when ingested, it explodes & destroys your cells, when its come in contact with digestive enzymes
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How would you differentiate between salt in animal blood and say, himalayan crystal salt.
Recently been drinking water with a pinch of that in and it feels much more quenching.
I would love to get my hands on the fresh blood, i really would!
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How would you differentiate between salt in animal blood and say, himalayan crystal salt.
I've done poorly trying hc salt. It wasn't any better for me than any other salt.
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How about salt? Will salt & clay be better? I usually follow Robert O. Nara's advice to brush just with salt water and use an irrigator.
Go easy on the salt. Use Pascalite Tooth Powder on your teeth, it's extremely finely ground. That's a good clay for teeth. Salt kills back the bad bacteria in your mouth, but it also inhibits calcium absorption.
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How would you differentiate between salt in animal blood and say, himalayan crystal salt.
Recently been drinking water with a pinch of that in and it feels much more quenching.
I would love to get my hands on the fresh blood, i really would!
Salt in animals is basically bile salts or bile from the kidneys, basically regulated bile specifically for the makeup of the blood, bile is highly sophisticated & customised for the blood in a person or animal, adding extra salt interferes with this process, forcing your kidney to make more bile to regulate & keep your blood supply flowing
Salt was initially an explosive material & still is today, its highly unstable, but it gets doped with stuff like iodine, once that iodine washes off inside the body, it becomes highly unstable & explodes, causing massive internal cellular damage
There is no scientific or nutritional significance to using salt in food, its like recommending people to season their food with explosive ammunition, or nitroglycerine ...
Salt is a very violent unstable explosive, in its natural form & reverts back when enzymes start to digest it
This applies to all salts, himalyan, table salt, sea salt etc.,
Once enzymes & other nutrients, isolate the salt, it reverts back to its natural form & starts to explode causing massive internal cells & tissue to become damaged
Eating salt regularly will cause everything from muscle atrophy, to growth development problems & cardio vascular problems, as the nutritional make up of your cells & tissue is constantly exploding or destroyed by the force of salt detonating in your blood stream
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Salt was initially an explosive material & still is today, its highly unstable, but it gets doped with stuff like iodine, once that iodine washes off inside the body, it becomes highly unstable & explodes, causing massive internal cellular damage
There is no scientific or nutritional significance to using salt in food, its like recommending people to season their food with explosive ammunition, or nitroglycerine ...
Salt is a very violent unstable explosive, in its natural form & reverts back when enzymes start to digest it
I pay more than $20./lb. for gunpowder, so if salt really were an explosive, I would try it.
What you have written makes no sense. Please explain.
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I really dont have the time to go into it, as im not really interested in salt, i was just as surprised as you are, but salt was & is still really an explosive type of ammunition similar to tnt or nitroglycerine ...
aajonus explains it best here, in part two of his interview
http://onibasu.com/archives/nn/109340.html (http://onibasu.com/archives/nn/109340.html)
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Exploding salt in your body? Anyways, if you read up on the sodium/potassium pump in cells, you'll see that you don't want to eat too much salt. Nothing wrong with eating sodium chloride, but you better back it up with a lot more potassium. That's the problem with the SAD, not enough potassium to counter all that sodium. Another problem with the modern diet is how jacked up our electrolytes balance is. After my rabbit starvation/muscle gaining stunt, I quickly learned to get my minerals in order. From heart rate, insomnia, to high blood pressure, to psychosis, it is all dictated by electrolytes.
BTW, the best medicine for high blood pressure or a heart attack is half a habanero. Take it on an empty stomach and run to the bathroom. I guarantee you'll drop so much pressure that it will leak out every orifice and I MEAN EVERY ORIFICE. You will cry, you will sweat, you will drool, you will piss, and you will poop. You will feel the pressure being sucked right out of your fingers. Go ahead and throw away those worthless nitroglycerin pills. Go eat some peppers.
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Exploding salt in your body? Anyways, if you read up on the sodium/potassium pump in cells, ...From heart rate, insomnia, to high blood pressure, to psychosis, it is all dictated by electrolytes.
BTW, the best medicine ... leak out every orifice and I MEAN EVERY ORIFICE. You will cry, you will sweat, you will drool, you will piss, and you will poop. You will feel the pressure being sucked right out of your fingers. Go ahead and throw away those worthless nitroglycerin pills. Go eat some peppers.
One pepper does that to you? All people are sissies. I used to win pepper eating contests against a room full of guys, hands down. The hot peppers did make my throat water though. I think it was a high. I don't like peppers anymore. Maybe they were dehydrating my thyroid. I think they're bad for the teeth too.
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Let's do it when we meet up. I'll bring my bag of fresh habaneros. LOL!!! One pepper... I like to see you eat one on an empty stomach.
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LOL!!! One pepper... I like to see you eat one on an empty stomach.
Habañeros go with diets high in rice, beans, yams, sour cream, fresh white cheese etc. I used to eat plain grains or starchy roots and legumes every day. When I was younger too with hot peppers I was eating cooked meat, sour cream and basically just different food from now. I doubt paleo people were eating habañeros before they controlled fire. Do you grow them yourself?
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When Doctor Price visited the people in Switzerland he reported that their teeth were covered with green slime but had otherwise excellent teeth.
In Ayurveda most fruit is various shades of the taste sour. Sour aggrivates Pitta. Pitta is based in the stomach and when aggravated it migrates uphill as it is essentially heat (like fire) so if an upset stomach isn't noticed when eating too much fruit, then the next site it attacks is the teeth. It starts off as dental pain and in severe cases (like a friend of mine's wife, she was too stubborn to quit eating sour foods) causes such severe pain that removal of all the teeth is the only solution. OR stop eating so much fruit or sour stuff. I can't imagine being a fruitarian. Years ago I discovered that even drinking orange juice would give me cankers (mouth ulcers) so bad I could barely talk.
If you are using "Sensodyne" toothpaste you gotta give up spicy, sour foods period. Eat dairy (non-sour dairy) and other Pitta pacifying foods. Sensodyne toothpaste is essentially a local anaesthetic.
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Is there anyone here who's been raw carnivorous ZC and not brushed their teeth for enough time for them to have an opinion on whether it's good or bad?
I've heard, regarding one other orifice which I don't possess, that washing/using chemicals can upset the pH balance and cause problems/smells. It is said that this orifice produces specific chemicals of its' own to clean itself and one should be careful interfering with its' own balance.
Would the mouth be similar?
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The problem with sugar, I think, is that anaerobic bacteria use it and produce lactic acid which wears away at one's teeth. Can anything similar happen if one is only eating meat/fat/water..?
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I've gone ~2days without brushing my teeth to try it. My teeth are in no pain, but there is a sort of ache there which makes me want to brush them. There is also a fairly unpleasant taste in my mouth.
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Ciao.
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Is there anyone here who's been raw carnivorous ZC and not brushed their teeth for enough time for them to have an opinion on whether it's good or bad?
Me. I don't remember when I last brushed teeth, but it's months. They are white and clean, no fuzz or plaque on them.
Another side effect of raw fativorous ZC is that there is significantly less body odour.
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I hardly brush my teeth anymore. If I ever have a slipup and eating something cooked I'll feel it on my breath, else normally when I'm 100% raw I just feel my teeth are clean so I don't do it.
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Even chimps clean out stuff stuck between their teeth with twigs (although they do eat lots of fruit)--especially from trees with antibiotic properties--so I'm not sure that no teeth cleaning at all is a good idea.
I've gone ~2days without brushing my teeth to try it. My teeth are in no pain, but there is a sort of ache there which makes me want to brush them. There is also a fairly unpleasant taste in my mouth.
I think you answered your own question for you at this time. I wouldn't consider stopping brushing unless I was getting no plaque or film at all on my teeth. Even then, I would likely use a tea tree oil toothpick.
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Anyone tried using a miswak stick? http://www.yobserver.com/sports-health-and-lifestyle/10013042.html.
I've decided to buy one and see if they work well as toothbrush and toothpaste replacement.
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Anyone tried using a miswak stick? http://www.yobserver.com/sports-health-and-lifestyle/10013042.html.
I've decided to buy one and see if they work well as toothbrush and toothpaste replacement.
A quote from the article where it says not to use it no more than once per week as it is so abrasive.
"Dr. Hani Saeed, a dentist and a professor at Dhamar University, believes the miswak has benefits, but can be over used. “I am against the daily use of the miswak because it can grind down the enamel of teeth,” he said. “If it is used no more than once per week, the stick is fine, but I discourage people from using it any more than that.”
“Using toothpaste and a toothbrush is more effective than the miswak,” said Dr. Saeed. “The brush can reach every where in the mouth and kill bacteria between the teeth.”
“I always clean my teeth using the miswak after every prayer during Ramadan month. It gives me a fresh and good breath, and I feel better to have clean teeth and healthy gums,” said Malika Farah, 22, student at Sana’a University"
I see them in Indian grocery stores. I never had any luck with them so I gave up.
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I've only brushed my teeth a couple times in the last couple months and though they are not white, they feel good.
Wouldn't teeth brushing be a great reason why we wouldn't be adapted to plant life. I wonder how many years on average your teeth would stay in relatively good health, without brushing on a diet that contained different amount of carbs. On zero carb, the teeth should be unaffected. What do raw vegan teeth look like if they don't brush for a few years? Wouldn't this simple question disprove veganism right there if all their teeth fell out after a few years?
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Fresh tea tree oil toothpicks do work to stimulate my saliva like crazy. Only problem is, once the package is opened the oil dissipates rapidly.
...Wouldn't this simple question disprove veganism right there if all their teeth fell out after a few years?
Yes, but the really committed vegans tend to be impervious to reason.
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Yes, but the really committed vegans tend to be impervious to reason.
Which is why i don't know what to say to the most committed ones. I had heard from some vegans on the rawfoods.com message boards that Dr. Price showed the effects of poor nutrition on ribcage and jaw structure, and I just assumed that raw veganism would be even better for this than traditional diets.
However, after fruit damaged my teeth so badly, and also after I read Dr. Price's book, I was done with being vegan, period, end of story. I'm in this for my health. People who aren't into studying nutrition and unusual diets for health are as far from me as East from West. It's like we speak a different language.
So, to sum up, vegans might as well stay off my board. They have no place here. We are here for our health.
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Which is why i don't know what to say to the most committed ones. I had heard from some vegans on the rawfoods.com message boards that Dr. Price showed the effects of poor nutrition on ribcage and jaw structure, and I just assumed that raw veganism would be even better for this than traditional diets.
However, after fruit damaged my teeth so badly, and also after I read Dr. Price's book, I was done with being vegan, period, end of story. I'm in this for my health. People who aren't into studying nutrition and unusual diets for health are as far from me as East from West. It's like we speak a different language.
So, to sum up, vegans might as well stay off my board. They have no place here. We are here for our health.
A lot of them are vegans for health aswell. They're just a little misguided.. In our eyes that is
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A lot of them are vegans for health aswell. They're just a little misguided.. In our eyes that is
Those are the ones that I went to the trouble of posting a little information at a raw vegan forum for after I felt sorry for some, seeing how badly they were doing and how some were getting attacked by the coolaid drinkers for not towing the party line. I didn't debate with anyone, I just shared my experience and answered questions. A few who were doing badly on raw veganism or were already experimenting with raw eggs, fish or meats expressed interest. The main benefit I provided seemed to be in giving additional courage to people who were already starting to question veganism and include some animal foods.
By checking in on a couple raw vegan forums and videos (particularly Paul Nison's) now and then I've noticed that there seems to be a recent growing movement of raw vegans incorporating some animal foods for health reasons. Enough people have been doing veganism for 1-10 years or so now that we are seeing quite a few converts back to some animal foods, even among former 100% vegan gurus (such as Paul Nison).
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Can anyone provide some info on why it would or would not be bad to not brush your teeth whilst eating 'raw ZC'? Further, if there was a problem, would you be able to feel it in plenty of time that you could sort it just by returning to brushing? And how would you tell?
Thanks.
I was hoping something would happen such as the mouth would 'return' to it's natural pH balance, and proceed to 'look after itself', without the intervention of toothpaste.
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Would you like an update from people who stopped brushing their teeth, how is that working out? I'm debating weather i should stop or not, i will keep flossing to remove chunks of meat stuck between teeth.
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I haven't brushed my teeth for months(5/6+ I think, not sure exactly). It's seemed fine so far, I just pick out any food from my teeth after I eat. Only thing is, when I stopped brushing my teeth was only soon after I had started eating joints of raw meat(as opposed to raw steaks, or cooked meat), so initially I wasn't any good at getting the remains from my teeth and I didn't really know if it was important or not, or what would happen if I left it. I had some stuck between the two bottom middle teeth and it left a faint, small yellow stain when I removed it the next day. The stain is still there and I don't know what it is... This was right at the beginning; of course I had no one to advise me that I should just pick out my teeth in front of a mirror with my nails after eating. Not had any other noticeable issues aside from that...
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That's awesome :)
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Throughout my entire life, I have rarely brushed my teeth, mostly only when I was younger and my parents made me. Even then, the most often I ever brushed my teeth was once a day, because I always hated the taste of toothpaste, though I used it when my parents told me to brush my teeth. Now that I am older and my parents aren't always telling me what to do, I hardly ever brush my teeth, nor have I been to the dentist since I was about 5 or 6 years old. The times I felt guilty for not brushing my teeth, I usually brushed using only water. I have never had a cavity or much tooth problems, except that my teeth are a bit on the yellow side, and also more recently I've noticed my breath doesn't smell so great. Because of that I ended up buying some listerine to swish my mouth with and toothpaste to brush with, but I'm afraid that it will kill any of the good bacteria in my mouth along with the bad. I've always had high saliva production though, I am probably constantly swallowing every 10 - 20 seconds.
I don't think not brushing your teeth will do much of anything to your teeth, no matter what your diet. My diet pretty much consists of mostly cooked foods, though I've mostly preferred my food to be more on the undercooked side, with rare steaks and sunny-side-up eggs.. but I do live in America, and eaten my share of overcooked, processed, and fast foods, and drinking plenty of soda.. which is all probably more of a contribution to my yellowish teeth and bad breath.
However, I have lately been wanting to take better care of my teeth, and I was wondering if anyone knew a good store where I could buy some of that miswak? A store which could be found in Southern California?