water buffalo milk 62% fat, sheep milk 57% fat, mature human milk 55% fat, goat milk 53% fat, 3.25 cow milk 49% fat
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/milk#ixzz1b4BNOFj8 (http://www.answers.com/topic/milk#ixzz1b4BNOFj8)These compositions vary by breed, animal, and point in the lactation period.Cow breed Approximate percentage
Milk fat percentages
- Jersey 5.2
- Zebu 4.7
- Brown Swiss 4.0
- Holstein-Friesian 3.6
I think the mucus you're experiencing is from...too much milk. I would cut back, and start adding some seafoods or raw meat, and a little fruit.
Is the milk grass-fed?
I'm wondering which animals make the lowest fat milk. I know womens and cows' milk varies in fat by season and what they eat. I know humans have higher fat than cows to develop our brains, and cows have more calcium for their bones. I am seeing goat milk has higher fat than cow and human here. I know various women say their milk is very fatty or creamy certain times depending on diet changes or just thicker than other womens. I guess I'm really lucky I'm getting jersey milk, cause I make butter, and it looks like it's higher fat than many of the other cow milks. Maybe that's why some people who have problems with milk can deal with jersey, with a varied diet higher milk fat helps. With my son who is using milk to heal, the fat is so helpful to him that he puts half the skimmed outside for animals and drinks his milk with double cream.
nutritiondata.com
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The mucous has completely cleared without reducing milk taken so I suspect it was just detox.
I'm still suspicious of it. I think it's also possible that the mucus has just abated for a few days, and will come back later.
Or most probably it's because your body became accustomed and stopped to react to poisoning, just like it happens for every noxious stuff if you consume it regularly for a sufficient long duration. In other words, the immune system, being constantly overwhelmed by an antigen, goes on strike against it because it has invaded every cell all over the body and to destroy all the cells marked with such a recognition antigen would mean destroying the whole body.
With some luck, that may remain ok until you reach a venerable age, but with bad luck some cancerous cells will happen by coincidence to be marked with the same recognition antigen the immune system is "on strike”and thus won’t be destroyed. So the end result of milk consumption may emerge by a cancer 10, 20 or 40 years later, when this forum will no longer be here. >D
Good luck!
Or most probably it's because your body became accustomed and stopped to react to poisoning, just like it happens for every noxious stuff if you consume it regularly for a sufficient long duration. In other words, the immune system, being constantly overwhelmed by an antigen, goes on strike against it because it has invaded every cell all over the body and to destroy all the cells marked with such a recognition antigen would mean destroying the whole body.
With some luck, that may remain ok until you reach a venerable age, but with bad luck some cancerous cells will happen by coincidence to be marked with the same recognition antigen the immune system is "on strike”and thus won’t be destroyed. So the end result of milk consumption may emerge by a cancer 10, 20 or 40 years later, when this forum will no longer be here. >D
Good luck!
Brady, I was just about to thank you for reporting your good results from raw honey after getting my own gradually increasing benefits from raw fermented honey when I read this thread title and was concerned that maybe you were getting bad results from it and had abandoned it, but apparently not? Don't mean to quibble, but if you're still eating plenty of honey as well as a little veggie juice, maybe it would be clearer what you're doing (and give me fewer heart attacks ;) ), if you called it an all raw milk, honey & veggie juice diet or a raw Primal diet?
Paleo-Phil's point and Bernarr's statement suggests that you are slightly meandering from a strictly milk diet:
It must be distinctly understood that with the exceptions mentioned here and to be further mentioned in Chapter IV, no other food than milk is to be taken while you are on the “diet.” I mention this for the reason that many have told me they have taken the milk diet without results, and upon inquiry I usually find they have taken three regular meals with whatever milk they were able to drink at and between meals, and have imagined they were on the milk diet. Such a procedure is not “dieting” but “stuffing.”
Anyway, do you intend to continue this diet or include other foods such as meat gradually?
The question still stands, will you wean yourself of milk and introduce "adult" foods such as meat or simply continue with this all milk diet?
Milking Horses In Mongolia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo4wMYROtio#)
Raw Dairy has been used by many Indigenous people world wide who did not get cancer or any other lifestyle related disease. What about the Isolated Swiss WAP studied who did a lot of Raw Milk, Cream, Cheese and Butter? Or the Mongolians who do a lot of Raw Kefir, even till this day?
Raw Dairy has been used by many Indigenous people world wide who did not get cancer or any other lifestyle related disease. What about the Isolated Swiss WAP studied who did a lot of Raw Milk, Cream, Cheese and Butter? Or the Mongolians who do a lot of Raw Kefir, even till this day?Don't forget the Celts, Turks, Evenks and Maasai. However, those traditional peoples had some practices that modern dairy eaters don't tend to follow. Their cattle sometimes included different species than bovines (for example, the reindeer of the Evenks), and even when they were bovines they were older breeds than what are common today and were pastured, with no antibiotics or hormones, they ate their dairy mostly raw, low-cooked or dried, they fermented/cultured/aged much of it, and long ago they apparently tended to mix raw blood with the raw milk and then fermented the mixture. Yes, I came across a report that even the ancient Celts mixed in the blood, like the Maasai still do today.
I should also mention after 3 years of near complete absence I have started to sweat again, a few nights I woke up drenched. This has excited me the most as I clearly remember with dread the day I stopped sweating, this was when my health really crashed.Hmmm, night sweats are usually not regarded as a good sign, though they could be harmless and not sweating at all can also be a symptom of something. Is it regarded as a sign of a detox of some sort? Was the room really hot?
Mc Fadden and Porter both clearly mention this in their books that this is one of the key responses to the Milk Diet.
Don't forget the Celts, Turks, Evenks and Maasai. However, those traditional peoples had some practices that modern dairy eaters don't tend to follow. Their cattle sometimes included different species than bovines (for example, the reindeer of the Evenks), and even when they were bovines they were older breeds than what are common today and were pastured, with no antibiotics or hormones, they ate their dairy mostly raw, low-cooked or dried, they fermented/cultured/aged much of it, and long ago they apparently tended to mix raw blood with the raw milk and then fermented the mixture. Yes, I came across a report that even the ancient Celts mixed in the blood, like the Maasai still do today.
Hmmm, night sweats are usually not regarded as a good sign, though they could be harmless and not sweating at all can also be a symptom of something. Is it regarded as a sign of a detox of some sort? Was the room really hot?
I had unusually low sweating in my youth myself, and also had other health problems, then in my 30s my feet started to get increasingly warm and sweaty, so that it was unpleasant to wear socks or shoes for very long, and I started gradually getting more common mild lower extremity edema. Since going Paleo, I get less of the feet sweat and other issues and seem to get more of the more-normal chest and scalp sweat.
Do you think you were getting any bad effects from the honey, or did you just decide that you wanted to try the Bernarr McFadden diet? You had looked rather good while eating plenty of honey, but I know that appearances can be deceiving, of course.
too acidic (tired, dehydrated, anxious) so I wanted to look at taking a more Alkaline diet.
I'm pretty sure the sweating was my Adrenals starting up again as I felt so much better and more alert, libido also increased. And sure it will be detoxing as well, when you don't sweat in 3 years your body accumulates a lot of poison.By acidic, do you mean acidifying foods that produce acidic ash after you digest them or foods that are acidic in your mouth and stomach when you ingest them (in other words, they have a low pH)? These are two entirely different and unrelated factors. As a matter of fact, acidic foods like raw honey tend to be alkaline, not acidifying and indeed raw honey is alkaline (ie, it produces alkaline ash):
No obvoious problems with the honey apart from the expense and now that I've stopped I realise that it was contributing to the over acidity I described. Raw Honey is a strange thing, its obviously does aid in the digestion of animal foods given the fact it brought me back from the dead but it does seem to contribute to some health issues at the same time, I'll maybe play with it a little more.
I could talk about this at length, for those interested. I experienced many healthy changes.
I presume that these changes have been mostly beneficial or otherwise you wouldn't have continued this diet. Is that so?Yes, healthy, as in beneficial, changes. If there are negative consequences, I'm not feeling them.
Also, on this urge to chew, have you considered including foods like raw meat rather than eggs or bananas? Do you enjoy the milk so much that you haven't thought of transitioning away from milk? Or, at the least drinking less of it?Yes, I've eaten raw meat, which I wrote a little about in some earlier posts, but I have not in the last month or so.
By acidic, do you mean acidifying foods that produce acidic ash after you digest them or foods that are acidic in your mouth and stomach when you ingest them (in other words, they have a low pH)? These are two entirely different and unrelated factors. As a matter of fact, acidic foods like raw honey tend to be alkaline, not acidifying and indeed raw honey is alkaline (ie, it produces alkaline ash):
"An alkaline-forming food, this type of honey contains ingredients similar to those found in fruits, which become alkaline in the digestive system." http://www.benefits-of-honey.com/raw-honey.html (http://www.benefits-of-honey.com/raw-honey.html) (see also the chart at http://www.alkaline-alkaline.com/ph_food_chart.html, (http://www.alkaline-alkaline.com/ph_food_chart.html,)
"unprocessed raw honey has been classfified as an alkaline-forming food. (Processed honey is only little acidifying" http://arthritisreviews.com/apple-cider-vinegar-and-honey-remedy-for-arthritis (http://arthritisreviews.com/apple-cider-vinegar-and-honey-remedy-for-arthritis)
Some believe that the sugar in honey offsets the alkaline ash, producing a net acidifying effect, but even if true, I'll bet that is offset by fermentation: "Honey and raw sugars produce alkaline ash, but because of a high concentrate of sugar become acid-formers" http://www.angelfire.com/az/sthurston/acid_alkaline_foods_list.html (http://www.angelfire.com/az/sthurston/acid_alkaline_foods_list.html)
I don't know if this is related to your dehydration problem on your pound-of-honey-a-day diet you reported or not, but I found that unfermented raw honey dries my skin, whereas fermented raw honey clears up any dry skin on my face and reduces scalp flakes for me.
Not to hijack this thread, but I've been on a mostly-milk diet for more than a year now. In the first 6 to 9 months, it was even more "mostly". The last month or two has been less.
My mostly-milk diet consisted of drinking a half-gallon of whole raw milk from Organic Pastures Dairy. I might have a non-milk meal of some sort at home in the evening, but it was very small. I started as a 165-170lb adult; the milk only provided 1250 kcal/day, so I was also essentially dieting, but that was not the intent. A year+ later, I'm at 154. I was going to drink a gallon a day and try to live on nothing but that, but it was hard to push it all down. I'd also develop "cravings" to chew something, didn't matter what; adding raw eggs to the diet did not satisfy the need to chew. Sometimes I'd add extra cream (from OPD), or have a banana+milk+cream shake, but the bananas+milk can be constipating.
These days I still drink a half-gallon a day, on average, but have additional food for breakfast and/or dinner, not strictly raw.
Typically I consume the milk after letting it warm up from the fridge for several hours, and I never put it back in the fridge, but I can handle the milk cold, too. I am unable to drink pasteurized or otherwise cooked milk.
I could talk about this at length, for those interested. I experienced many healthy changes.
Or most probably it's because your body became accustomed and stopped to react to poisoning, just like it happens for every noxious stuff if you consume it regularly for a sufficient long duration. In other words, the immune system, being constantly overwhelmed by an antigen, goes on strike against it because it has invaded every cell all over the body and to destroy all the cells marked with such a recognition antigen would mean destroying the whole body.This is the Primal Sub-Forum Iguana. We should be less critical of dairy here. ;)
With some luck, that may remain ok until you reach a venerable age, but with bad luck some cancerous cells will happen by coincidence to be marked with the same recognition antigen the immune system is "on strike”and thus won’t be destroyed. So the end result of milk consumption may emerge by a cancer 10, 20 or 40 years later, when this forum will no longer be here. >D
Good luck!
I have cut down from 2-3 gallons of raw milk to 1/2 a gallon of raw milk over the last 2 weeks and here is what I've observed :Have you considered a possible underlying fungal issue Waldpfad? In my past personal experience steady carbs in my diet has presented similar symptoms (without the body odor). I have self-diagnosed with fungal issues and find that I do best with minimal carbs in my diet or these symptoms come back.
My clouded mental state that I used to get after drinking (this raw) milk is gone. I have no longer the feeling of wanting to take a nap after drinking this milk. It used to make me calm when being slightly angry or having anxiety over something...I don't need to be medicated with milk anymore to deal with stress. The fact that I don't feel tired and exhausted or lazy, sluggish all the time drinking raw milk has given me a boost of energy or motivation to get up and do things. I've noticed I have slightly less mood swings, I am the same character with the same mood every day and it takes a lot to get me angry. No more emotional ups and downs.
I no longer suffer from a constant bloated gut that looked like someone blew up a balloon in me. And the biggest improvement was I no longer have a horrible BAD sewer breath after drinking all this milk. My breath seems fresher and the stinky sock breath is gone. Also, my underarm sweat smells much, much cleaner. My body oder has improved a LOT since going paleo/primal but since cutting down to 1/2 a gal. of raw milk per week it's gone down even more. No more bad smell coming from my arm pits at ALL, even when sweating.
Hi guys,
I just stumbled upon this thread and thought I put in my 2 cents, speaking from my own experience with a raw (almost) all milk diet.
I was born premature and never had mothers milk. I also never had raw milk of any kind. I grew up on Ersatz milk.
Anyways, at the age of 38 I found a raw goats milk farmer that would milk it by hand and give me however much I want to fill my nutritional needs.
At first I couldn't get enough of this stuff. When I didn't have any or ran short I started to panic, crying, whining and bitching at everyone around me. Raw milk seemed to finally fill that nutritional hole I've been trying to fill with Dark Chocolate, Nut Butters and Raw Honey. Nothing worked but the RAW milk finally did it. ALL cravings for everything else vanished. If I had a carb craving for pie or ice cream, I got myself a cup of raw milk and the cravings and headaches were gone!
I drank 2-3 gallons of whole raw goats milk per week for 1.5 years straight without a break.
I lost 20 lbs because I switched to paleo at the same time, BUT, the flab on my midsection never really got any thinner. Many, many good things happened while drinking raw milk, stronger nails and hair, clean skin, strong teeth...but I can't say 100% that all this is from the raw milk because remember, I switched to Paleo at the same time, so it might've just been the new 'diet'. I also consumed bone marrows, organ meats and bone broths.
1 year and 6 months have passed and I have to say I'm getting slightly sick of milk. I think I had my fill and whatever nutritional hole that was to be filled, is full.
I am currently for the first time of my entire life weaning myself off milk in general...my main reason is 1. I'd like to get my body fat % down and 2. I don't want to worry about the calcium/magnesium ratio anymore.
I have cut down from 2-3 gallons of raw milk to 1/2 a gallon of raw milk over the last 2 weeks and here is what I've observed :
My clouded mental state that I used to get after drinking (this raw) milk is gone. I have no longer the feeling of wanting to take a nap after drinking this milk. It used to make me calm when being slightly angry or having anxiety over something...I don't need to be medicated with milk anymore to deal with stress. The fact that I don't feel tired and exhausted or lazy, sluggish all the time drinking raw milk has given me a boost of energy or motivation to get up and do things. I've noticed I have slightly less mood swings, I am the same character with the same mood every day and it takes a lot to get me angry. No more emotional ups and downs.
I no longer suffer from a constant bloated gut that looked like someone blew up a balloon in me. And the biggest improvement was I no longer have a horrible BAD sewer breath after drinking all this milk. My breath seems fresher and the stinky sock breath is gone. Also, my underarm sweat smells much, much cleaner. My body odour has improved a LOT since going paleo/primal but since cutting down to 1/2 a gal. of raw milk per week it's gone down even more. No more bad smell coming from my arm pits at ALL, even when sweating.
I am kind of convinced that there is something other than lactose that I am allergic to. I am not lactose intolerant, I had a test done...but something else might be going on.
After suffering 30 years from digestive problems, hard stools, constipation, cramps and severe outdoor allergies I didn't notice any of the things raw milk might do because ALL my other health problems vanished switching to primal/paleo.
Raw milk has many nutrients that are highly beneficial to us, but I gotta say there is something else going on. After all this time drinking large amounts of raw milk to fill some hole that wasn't filled after birth I am now kind of convinced that mother nature shuts off the milk cravings after about 1.5 - 2 years automatically.
I feel like a baby that finally had its mothers milk and is turning 1.6 years old and is ready for solid food. I now crave tons of fish (inland fish) and steak tartar warmed up in butter and perhaps a raw egg yolk. These would probably be the first foods a baby would eat being weaned off its mothers milk because those foods are soft.
No craving whatsoever for green things. Only soft berries like raspberries every other day or so.
As soon as the goats dry up for the winter I will cut the last remaining bit of raw milk I consume for good and go completely dairy free over fall/winter to observe the effects.
Good Luck everyone
Waldpfad
Like what kind of fungus? Internally or growing on my skin?I was referring to internal fungal issues but they can present symptoms externally as well.
I don't see anything on my skin as far as my head can turn but I used to have little round rashes here and there before going primal/paleo. Those are gone now.
I was tested for Aspergillus and I'm highly allergic to all of them, I think 185 total LOL.
I can't tolerate humidity at all because of those little fungi buggers. But they also grow in soil and at high elevations, they're also present in desert sands.
But those wouldn't be the ones you're talking about, right? They also grow and are present on most leaf plants (grass, dandylion, lettuce, trees, etc), could they end up in raw milk and mess with my pipes?
This is the Primal Sub-Forum Iguana. We should be less critical of dairy here. ;)
My personal experience with raw milk is that it is the lesser of two evils. I don't do well with either but I do "less bad" with raw milk. Of course this is just my own experience.
I hope you continue to find success with your experiment Brady. :)
Raw Dairy has been used by many Indigenous people world wide who did not get cancer or any other lifestyle related disease. What about the Isolated Swiss WAP studied who did a lot of Raw Milk, Cream, Cheese and Butter? Or the Mongolians who do a lot of Raw Kefir, even till this day?
Maybe my comment was a bit too harsh.I agree that discussion is definitely needed in all the areas of the forum. It just feels like this particular sub-forum should discuss the merits of dairy in "shades of gray" as opposed to the black and white/good and bad that seems to be the prevalent thinking elsewhere on the forum. :)
But isn’t the aim of a forum to discuss different facts, interpretations and opinions ? If every one agrees on everything, then there’s no need for a forum. Cherimoya Kid expressed his opinion on this matter and then I gave some different arguments, to which Brady kindly opposed some other interesting arguments.
I don’t think the dairy question shouldn’t be discussed here since dairy is included in the Primal Diet. Otherwise, it becomes a totalitarian dogmatic section in which all doubts concerning dairy consumption are forbidden to express. There have been several post skeptical of the instincto theory in the Instincto section, and to me they are welcome as long as they remain civil, free of personal assaults and slander. Otherwise there wouldn’t be much interest in discussing between people sharing the same point of view on every matter.
I also strongly advise you to avoid zero-carb diets as I found them devastating, they destroyed my glandular system.
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I also strongly advise you to avoid zero-carb diets as I found them devastating, they destroyed my glandular system.
I believe (and I'm not the only one) that the theory that Acidic Foods with an 'alkaline ash' like Citrus actually make the body alkaline is a falacy. Rather than get caught up in a chemistry debate I'll put this to you, drink the Juice from a whole squeezed Lemon [or] of a bottle of Raw Apple Cider Vinegar and see how alkaline you get? You will be extremely acidic and not feeling too well I'd imagine.Yes, you're not the only because I'm also not big on the theory and have written skeptically of it both in this forum (such as here http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/health/raf-and-ph-levels/msg22330/#msg22330 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/health/raf-and-ph-levels/msg22330/#msg22330)) and at the Paleofood forum (though I also don't eliminate the possibility that there might be something to it), so there's no need for chemistry debate on that, I'm just trying to understand what you're talking about. Surely you can understand that your dramatic change in take on honey is bound to inspire some questions? Since this thread appears to be dedicated to the benefits of raw milk, I'll take my honey questions to your honey thread.
Yes, you're not the only because I'm also not big on the theory and have written skeptically of it both in this forum (such as here http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/health/raf-and-ph-levels/msg22330/#msg22330 (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/health/raf-and-ph-levels/msg22330/#msg22330)) and at the Paleofood forum (though I also don't eliminate the possibility that there might be something to it), so there's no need for chemistry debate on that, I'm just trying to understand what you're talking about. Surely you can understand that your dramatic change in take on honey is bound to inspire some questions? Since this thread appears to be dedicated to the benefits of raw milk, I'll take my honey questions to your honey thread.
It would be bizarre for a gorilla to eat dairy or eggs.
I hate to burst your bubble, but since when did gorillas juice vegetables? ;)
Maybe gorillas wadge vegetables. I don't know and don't care. How about we focus on what works best for us as humans and individuals? ;D
I've seen people who could digest nothing else, subsist on raw pastured eggs.
Brady, are you drinking milk now?
Yeah I drink about 1.5 - 2 L per day.
I would not recommend an all egg diet to anyone, need some carbs and alkaline minerals.
Heres its three months milk and blood only.Apparently six months on milk and blood is not nearly enough to lose all that fat...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/05/pictures/110511-best-pictures-sony-world-photography-awards/#/world-photography-contest-2011-sports_35452_600x450.jpg (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2011/05/pictures/110511-best-pictures-sony-world-photography-awards/#/world-photography-contest-2011-sports_35452_600x450.jpg)
heh heh, sexy.
Apparently six months on milk and blood is not nearly enough to lose all that fat...
How are you feeling on the all that milk now Brady?
I incorporated solid food back into my diet at Xmas; it’s now mainly Raw Fish, Raw Butter, Raw Milk, Raw Honey, Raw Eggs Fruit, a little juicing (I would like to do more). I have also played around with some cooked starches (sweet potato, parsnip), to aid sleep. The Raw Milk did see a considerable improvement in sleep quality as did other lifestyle changes I made. I am still working on these (as you know) and will post in due course with my success.