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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: miles on February 07, 2010, 12:10:02 pm
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From "QI" Chit-chat on tv: In the past, poor people have been the most susceptible to tapeworms. These people would be thin, despite eating lots of food. (This came about because they were discussing diet, and after seeing this effect, there were some rich people who wanted to be thin like the poor people, so consumed tapeworm eggs).
Does this not worry you, how many people had tape-worms, and how it affected them? It is just that I am worried that perhaps, the people here who are saying that tapeworms are not a problem, are saying so because they have similar mindsets to the people who consumed those eggs intentionally... That they wouldn't mind, or may even like to have a parasite leeching their energy supply and making them thin.
Thanks.
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Never experienced a tapeworm. There are no dangers to eating raw meat.
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From "QI" Chit-chat on tv: In the past, poor people have been the most susceptible to tapeworms. These people would be thin, despite eating lots of food. (This came about because they were discussing diet, and after seeing this effect, there were some rich people who wanted to be thin like the poor people, so consumed tapeworm eggs).
Does this not worry you, how many people had tape-worms, and how it affected them? It is just that I am worried that perhaps, the people here who are saying that tapeworms are not a problem, are saying so because they have similar mindsets to the people who consumed those eggs intentionally... That they wouldn't mind, or may even like to have a parasite leeching their energy supply and making them thin.
Thanks.
You have a good point about the tapeworm leeching the nutrients. Some rawfooders here have the mindset that parasites are good and even tapeworm is beneficial. If tapeworm robs our nutrients and makes us weaker how can it be good ? Or when tapeworm does make some good then is it's life cycle lessened when a person consumes raw zero carb or VLC.
I think The Bear said that inuits live to old age unless they are not killed by the accident or trichinosis.
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This is a stupid topic and being anti-parasite should be placed in hot topics. I'll do so now.
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If tapeworm robs our nutrients and makes us weaker how can it be good ? Or when tapeworm does make some good then is it's life cycle lessened when a person consumes raw zero carb or VLC.
+1 to that question.
This is a stupid topic and being anti-parasite should be placed in hot topics. I'll do so now.
I don't know why it's a stupid topic. I've never heard you talk about why tapeworms, specifically, are not a problem. I've only heard you talk of other, smaller parasites, which can't survive within the human body for long...
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Look, first off, parasites are so rarely got by raw-foodists that it's a non-issue(this is not surprising since domesticated animals are routinely dewormed by farmers in the west).And the few incidents reported were of a minor nature and occurred only in the tropics. tapeworms anyway aren't as dangerous as you claim and if they steal a few nutrients who cares, we're on a much healthier diet than sad.
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Why aren't they as dangerous as I claim? Could you explain this part?
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I don't say that all the prarasites are beneficial. Besides, they all could be hostile if we eat unhealthy food.
The same is with salmonella - all the accidents that I hear in mass media happen to people who eat raw eggs once in the blue moon and their diet is very unhealthy.
Trichinella, Echinococcosis could be hostile to all of us, but we've got natural remedies for them - good quality clays, anti-parasite herbs, etc.
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Why aren't they as dangerous as I claim? Could you explain this part?
Because 1) Rawpalaeos report few instances of getting them, and the tiny few that do report negligible side-effects such as parasites in stools.
2) The people who get nasty side-effects re food-poisoning/parasites tend overwhelmingly to be extremely unhealthy people on SAD diets. So it's just ridiculous and hysterical to go on and on about it when it's a non-issue among RPDers.
3) There are herbal medicines and drugs that get rid of parasites so again, if someone did get it, it would be easily sorted out, hardly something life-threatening like cancer.
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There is no conclusive data to say that Rawpalaeos get more or less parasitic infections than others.
No one ever did any kind of data collection or surveys to say raw meat eaters get more parasites, or less, or the same. You can't rely on the reports from this forum because the number of subjects is really tiny.
And second, most parasitic infections are non-symptomatic and will never be reported.
It is OK to speculate one way or another, but it is foolish to bluntly state as it is some kind of fact.
To get some minimal results, one would get a group of 100 raw meat eaters and 100 non-raw eaters and for about 6 to 12 months analyze their stool for parasites and their eggs. Only then you can draw meaningful conclusions.
But for now, who really knows?
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You're probably suppsed to have worms and you're weird if you dont.
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Also, what about Toxoplasmosis?
"Ingestion of raw or partly cooked meat, especially pork, lamb, or venison containing Toxoplasma cysts."
"Correlations have been found between latent Toxoplasma infections and various characteristics:[23]
Decreased novelty-seeking behaviour[24]
Slower reactions
Lower rule-consciousness and greater jealousy (in men)[24]
Promiscuity and greater conscientiousness (in women)[24]"
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis
Damn I really want to stick with raw meat but each time, after a short run, I start thinking about stuff like this. When I start thinking this stuff it's hard to go and eat some raw meat, and the hungrier I get the harder it is to not have cooked. Then I regret it because it doesn't make me feel good afterwards.
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well, it is all in your head.
if you think that apple is bad for you, you will actually feel sick after eating it.
and if you think crap is good, chances are it won't do any harm.
you have to change your attitude. negative attitude usually leads to failure.
i remember watching National Geographics where a guy on purpose swallowed tapeworm cyst he's taken from fresh meat at the market in Vietnam. well, he did not develop a tapeworm. my guess is his stomach acid took care of the cyst.
also, there are reports that freezing meat for some time kills tapeworm cysts. there already been numerous discussions here regarding the subject. search the forum for older posts for more info.
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parasites do exist. My dogs eating for over twelve years get tapeworms routinely. However, they also eat moles and groundsquirles that also routinely have fleas which carry tapeworm eggs. There are different sources to get the many different varieties. But I think Tyler is right when he expresses the risk is so low, don't worry. Just make sure you're eating healthy meat. Pasture fed animals have far less parasite infestation than pen or grain finished animals. I've never heard it be a problem for anyone eating raw meat. And if you should be the first one, fine, just take a pill and it's gone. Then you can start to make plans as to how to avoid any future problems.
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Also, what about Toxoplasmosis?
There's nothing to worry about.
"Up to one third of the world's human population is estimated to carry a Toxoplasma infection."
"the infection typically causes a mild flu-like illness or no illness"
Do you blame vultures for the carcass they eat?
When you eat bad food, takie antibotics, have got weak immune system, than it could be the case. But even then these microorganisms will eat the degenerative tissue and detoxify you body - although only when he/she will change their diet towards good quality raw food
if he/she will eat SAD, take antibiotics, etc. then this kind of infection could be fatal
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The toxoplasmosis parasite infects a 1/3 to a 1/2 of the world's population despite the fact that most people do not eat raw meats. In other words, cooking isn't an effective way to avoid it. Plus, it is an inactive parasite for the most part. The key thing to remember is that the environment is more important than any so-called pathogen. There are numerous reports re food-poisoning but no reports of such outbreaks among RPDers, same applies to parasites.
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There is no conclusive data to say that Rawpalaeos get more or less parasitic infections than others.
No one ever did any kind of data collection or surveys to say raw meat eaters get more parasites, or less, or the same. You can't rely on the reports from this forum because the number of subjects is really tiny.
And second, most parasitic infections are non-symptomatic and will never be reported.
It is OK to speculate one way or another, but it is foolish to bluntly state as it is some kind of fact.
To get some minimal results, one would get a group of 100 raw meat eaters and 100 non-raw eaters and for about 6 to 12 months analyze their stool for parasites and their eggs. Only then you can draw meaningful conclusions.
But for now, who really knows?
I'm afraid that's quite mistaken. For one thing, when RPDers get nasty reactions to some food, ill-health or whatever, they tend to be very vocal and complain about it - a typical example being common gripes against raw dairy. By contrast to complaints about raw dairy, comments on symptoms from parasites are few and far between, and when they are reported, symptoms are overwhelmingly mentioned as being minor(ie parasites in stools mentioned, nothing more). If there really were vast parasite-outbreaks and related illness in the RVAF diet community, as claimed by the medical establishment, then we would have endless posts by now confirming this, as there are at least some parasites which do indeed induce symptoms.
Now, I don't discount the notion that we are infected with parasites but that they're not doing us any harm. That is entirely possible.
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The way I see it, there's no point in worrying re parasites as long as you don't experience any related symptoms. If one is overly hysteric re parasites, one could, of course, take some herbal anti-parasite combination or anti-parasite drugs every few months if one wanted to. Whatever the case, it's not something to be concerned about.
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Zephyr at Pangaia got a really bad trichinosis infection from eating raw wild mongoose gallbladder, and he had to take IV antibiotics to get over it. However, that's the only case I know of among RPD-type eaters. I have read of a few cases of lung parasites from eating raw crab, but that's not even close to life-threatening.
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I don't just care about what's going to kill me... I don't want to be internally maimed, mentally/physically disabled/impaired, ill either frequently, or for an extended period of time, have to take poisons, etc...
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I don't just care about what's going to kill me... I don't want to be internally maimed, mentally/physically disabled/impaired, ill either frequently, or for an extended period of time, have to take poisons, etc...
We believe raw meat does not contain any dangers regarding tapeworms, parasites, bacteria etc, If cooking your food will put your mind at ease, then do it. What more can be said?
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Zephyr at Pangaia got a really bad trichinosis infection from eating raw wild mongoose gallbladder, and he had to take IV antibiotics to get over it. However, that's the only case I know of among RPD-type eaters. I have read of a few cases of lung parasites from eating raw crab, but that's not even close to life-threatening.
I don't believe in the Zephyr story, to be honest. You see, Instinctos went through a period where they frowned on raw animal foods. Burger was one such example. So this may just be propaganda.
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We believe raw meat does not contain any dangers regarding tapeworms, parasites, bacteria etc, If cooking your food will put your mind at ease, then do it. What more can be said?
Exactly. Most of us come to the rawpaleodiet in order to regain our health. Of course, we also come with previous phobias re bacteria/parasites, but the vast majority realise sooner or later that the latter phobias are groundless. If you feel your own health-problems are small enough to be solvable on a cooked-palaeodiet then I would suggest you become a member of cavemanforum or similiar cooked palaeo group. If on the other hand, your health-issues are truly serious, it would be wiser to just ignore such phobias, given others' experiences and try a rawpalaeodiet.
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I don't just care about what's going to kill me... I don't want to be internally maimed, mentally/physically disabled/impaired, ill either frequently, or for an extended period of time, have to take poisons, etc...
For the luv of gawd, go study some real bacterial or viral immunology
If you're stupid enough to believe our environment theoretically evolves according to natural selection & survival of the fittest, like the majority of science of today, then you're going to see crap like the dangers of toxoplasmosis
All bacteria & parasites exist to co-operate & exist with their hosts, not destroy them
What parasite or bacteria would be stupid enough to destroy their host?
Nature is far more intelligent then the stupidity of science & its many deranged theories
We exist because nature is co-operative, it co-opt's all life
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It may be what you consider killing the host. Try going to a medical library and look at the books on parasitology and look at some of the infested organs of humans. It may change your opinion.
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It may be what you consider killing the host. Try going to a medical library and look at the books on parasitology and look at some of the infested organs of humans. It may change your opinion.
Only if they're diseased & suffering from toxecimia, in which case those very same parasites repair & clean up, if the person continues to eat toxic foods, such as cooked foods
If the person is so far gone, & toxic, ie eating cooked foods for long periods of time, he will get extreme virulent parasitical infestations, especially designed to clean & repair toxic environments, created from eating cooked foods, or vegan & other nutrional regimes
Extreme parasitical infestations, are also the result of toxic buildings & sick buildings & toxic city urban environments, they like rodents & insects & bacteria, keep toxic environments in check & extreme bacterial mutations from reproducing
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When you say that white meats and fish give the heaviest detox, these would be the meats likely to contain the most bacteria/parasites.
You use the word 'designed' a lot... How could parasites and bacteria be designed to clean people up? Do you mean that: If someone's cells are weak, because they contain, or were built in the presence of toxins they are vulnerable to the (minor)parasites/bacteria. If this person stops ingesting toxins, their new cells they build will be healthy, and the parasites/bacteria will speed up the removal of the older,weaker more vulnerable cells? Similar to how maggots consume damaged flesh, as this is weak and vulnerable to them, but so happens to be beneficial to the person as it clears the way for new, healthy tissue.
The tapeworm would not be affected by this, since it feeds directly off of your food?
"Why would the parasites kill their host?"
"Why would humans destroy their environments?"
It's not a case of them being stupid. If their host starts to reject them, or their host isn't giving them what they need, they they might turn on the host in an effort to survive. Also, another parasite might not expect a long life, and be more 'interested' in passing its' eggs on to another host, than living with its' present host... If something exists, it exists. It will continue to exist, so long as it exists. It doesn't have to fit in perfectly with its' neighbours to exist, it just has to exist to exist...
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try liver flukes, or intestinal blockages from round worm. pictures often taken of villagers or peoples in remote areas. Once again, I am not worried about these, well, when I came home from India after living in the foothills below a government sheep farm, and drinking the run off from the stream, I had some concern. But corrected the round worm, and never contracted liver flukes. This was in the seventies.
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I don't know what it was... But in the lamb I was eating today(raw) There were large cysts in the muscle and the fat(one in each). Within the suety muscle fat, there was a sack of soft whitish/light greyish mush; had some more solid things in amongst it... There was something similar in the muscle tissue as well, jelly-like mush, don't remember what colour.
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When you say that white meats and fish give the heaviest detox, these would be the meats likely to contain the most bacteria/parasites.
You use the word 'designed' a lot... How could parasites and bacteria be designed to clean people up? Do you mean that: If someone's cells are weak, because they contain, or were built in the presence of toxins they are vulnerable to the (minor)parasites/bacteria. If this person stops ingesting toxins, their new cells they build will be healthy, and the parasites/bacteria will speed up the removal of the older,weaker more vulnerable cells? Similar to how maggots consume damaged flesh, as this is weak and vulnerable to them, but so happens to be beneficial to the person as it clears the way for new, healthy tissue.
The tapeworm would not be affected by this, since it feeds directly off of your food?
"Why would the parasites kill their host?"
"Why would humans destroy their environments?"
It's not a case of them being stupid. If their host starts to reject them, or their host isn't giving them what they need, they they might turn on the host in an effort to survive. Also, another parasite might not expect a long life, and be more 'interested' in passing its' eggs on to another host, than living with its' present host... If something exists, it exists. It will continue to exist, so long as it exists. It doesn't have to fit in perfectly with its' neighbours to exist, it just has to exist to exist...
Yes, fish & white meats, contain the most bacteria & parasites
Designed as in mutated specifically to deal with extreme toxic environments
You're still relying on germ theory, bacteria & parasites dont feed on us
This is one of the biggest lies of germ theory, bacteria & parasites do not make us nutritionally weak, it's almost impossible
Parasites dont feed on us, WE feed parasites
This one of the most important distinctions, in understanding bacterial & parasite immunology
Our bodies deliberately maintain & breed & feed parasites, yes even tapeworms & actively feeds them unprocessed undigested nutrients
In return our bodies get some of the most nutrient concentrated forms of dense high meats, from their faeces & excretions, as well as viruses & massive colonies of new fresh bacteria
The same applies to bacteria, our body breeds them like crazy, alot faster then it does human cells
The only reason we get sick from vaccinations, & toxic environments from sick buildings, is because the poisons in vaccines etc., are so toxic, the detox elements from the poison, as it gets broken down, is so toxic, it destroys neighbouring cells, basically a chain reaction of hundreds of different types of poisons, as it breaks down by the secretion of bacteria & microbes, the bacteria & microbes in return have to mutate increasingly in response, growing more virulent in response
The fact vaccines use a toxic load, deliberately designed to trigger this chain reaction, is proof they're biological weapons
In order to understand why bacteria dont destroy the host, you have to understand the TRUE biological function of the human body
Bacteria are the oldest & easily the most technologically advanced creatures on the planet, yes even us, look up Howard Blooms Global Brain, for more research on this
Their practically indestructible, can survive in any atmosphere, even the vacuum of space, able to communicate instantaneously across millions of miles, even globally & have had the most advanced global communications network for billions of years
They process trillions, almost an infinite amount of gigabytes a second everyday globally, they process information so fast & adapt so fast, they could terraform our whole planet in days, in their present state
The reason we go through periodic ice ages, like the one we're going through now, isnt solely because of the astronomical changes in our solar system, it's because of the HORDES of migratory bacteria, as they swarm across our planet
Yes all bacteria, migrate in swarms around our planet like birds
As bacteria & parasites & microbes migrate & swarm across our contintents, they alter everything from our atmosphere to our life expectancy rates as a civilisation
A migratory pattern of microbes could be responsible for lengethening our lifespans, to 4 or 500 years, or shortening them
Who's to say when the swarms of bacteria & parasites & microbes responsible for the jurassic era, will return & terraform the planet back to the way it was before?
Basically instead of locating to external environments around the world, bacteria & microbes & parasites, created localised environments
Called the human body
We're basically localised portable environments, advanced sentient skycrapers, living cities
What else do you expect from something as advanced & technologically advanced as bacteria, with that sort of processing power?
Instead of creating toxic buildings, it co-exists so efficiently with nature, it created some of the most sophisticated buildings on the planet, so sophisticated & so in tune & in harmony with nature they literally created a new life form, us
But this isnt the reason why they dont attack our bodies
Bacteria have literally created an environment, which feeds them, an environment so efficient at feeding them, they absorb up to 100 times their body weight in waste & toxins, our environments are so rich & nutritionally dense, they dont need to break down healthy tissue to survive, they attack damaged tissue & poisons, in the same way an orchard raises fruit or veg
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That is a wonderful theory. I don't really have any response just yet. I will have to think about that one, and I'll start by sleeping on it.
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I don't believe in the Zephyr story, to be honest. You see, Instinctos went through a period where they frowned on raw animal foods. Burger was one such example. So this may just be propaganda.
I didn't think it was the trichina that were the real problem. I thought it was that it was carnivore liver. Anyone else here eat carnivore livers? I eat chicken livers, but they only eat bugs and tiny lizards. Mongooses eat domestic kittens and venomous snakes.
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Well even if it's from eating a carnivore, what do you think a carnivore eats to get them in the first place...? And you are a carnivore..
[I wrote that, thinking you were talking about parasites, but if you were talking about Vitamin Toxicity then I don't have a response]
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Well even if it's from eating a carnivore, what do you think a carnivore eats to get them in the first place...? And you are a carnivore..
I think feeding pigs grain gives them worms, just like it does to dogs and cats.
I didn't mean parasites anyway. I meant like overdoses of fat soluble vitamins from the liver and other toxins therein. I mean, I read at the same time I heard he was eating raw lobsters out of the sewer. Gad knows what else he was eating. Who knows what the humans around discarded that those animals ate to be filtered by livers.
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I thought that pigs got worms because they dig up the ground with their snout, roll around in mud and it goes in their mouths etc...
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I thought that pigs got worms because they dig up the ground with their snout, roll around in mud and it goes in their mouths etc...
Mud is clean. They get infested cause they're stressed, from things like eating wrong food.
I had worms before. It looks like I got them from the junk snacks they gave us in school. Luckily the infection was very short-lived.
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From "QI" Chit-chat on tv: In the past, poor people have been the most susceptible to tapeworms. These people would be thin, despite eating lots of food. (This came about because they were discussing diet, and after seeing this effect, there were some rich people who wanted to be thin like the poor people, so consumed tapeworm eggs).
Does this not worry you, how many people had tape-worms, and how it affected them? It is just that I am worried that perhaps, the people here who are saying that tapeworms are not a problem, are saying so because they have similar mindsets to the people who consumed those eggs intentionally... That they wouldn't mind, or may even like to have a parasite leeching their energy supply and making them thin.
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I had worms / parasites way back when I had my eczema. I went through 1 month parasite cleanses for 3 straight years.
My theory is that we should strike a balance with the parasites.
IF our colon is functioning optimally, then their egg stages are pooped away.
IF our diet and lifestyle is unpolluted then the parasites are pooped away.
If you read hulda clark's work on parasites it is when parasites develop in their more advanced stages and migrate to body parts they are not supposed to be and this only happens if you are constipated or polluted.
So this is the logic behind Aajonus saying parasites are beneficial to us.
Of course if parasites misbehave and bother us, I am well armed to the teeth and will kick their butts with herbal dewormers, beam ray, zappers, etc.
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If you read hulda clark's work on parasites it is when parasites develop in their more advanced stages and migrate to body parts they are not supposed to be and this only happens if you are constipated or polluted.
I think that happened to me one time. I read that green smoothies (a raw vegan staple) was so good so many times. I finally tried one; because I thought they were right. The natural fiber of the green leaves or something else from them in that state constipated me, even though I did not finish a small cup. From the constipation it seemed parasites may have migrated to a wrong area. I got rid of whatever it was, but no more green smoothie for me. Fiber seems to stick to my colon like a dam. Less than 1 was enough.
I did try with kefir & egg another time. Another disaster.
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I don't know what it was... But in the lamb I was eating yesterday(raw) there were large cysts in the muscle and the fat(one in each). Within the suety muscle fat, there was a sack of soft whitish/light greyish mush; had some more solid things in amongst it... There was something similar in the muscle tissue as well, jelly-like mush, don't remember what colour.
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I don't know what it was... But in the lamb I was eating yesterday(raw) there were large cysts in the muscle and the fat(one in each). Within the suety muscle fat, there was a sack of soft whitish/light greyish mush; had some more solid things in amongst it... There was something similar in the muscle tissue as well, jelly-like mush, don't remember what colour.
I'm not sure what they are but I've found it in just about all suet I've ever butchered (as well as plenty of muscle fat). The closest I've likened it to is a really over-ripe banana in color & opacity. I couldn't tell you what it is but I cut them out and don't eat them.
I don't believe I've ever found them in the muscle meat though.
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yep, i get those in my suet too. someone on here said they were glands of some kind. i eat them occaissionally but i really don't like the taste. anyone know more specifically what they are?
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if the suet is from the fat around the kidneys perhaps it's part of the adrenal glands?
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if the suet is from the fat around the kidneys perhaps it's part of the adrenal glands?
this intrigued me so i did some research and i think you're right! according to the site below, the adrenals are greyish in the middle and yellowish on the outsides. that fits the description that djr gave (like an overripe banana) and fits with my own experience. i had no idea that adrenals were located just atop the kidneys (where suet is).
http://www.ivy-rose.co.uk/HumanBody/Endocrine/Adrenal_Glands.php (http://www.ivy-rose.co.uk/HumanBody/Endocrine/Adrenal_Glands.php)
it says: "These are located immediately anterior to the kidneys, and are encased in a connective tissue capsule that is usually partially buried in an island of fat."
if you look at the triangle diagram, that's where it mentions the color.
so i guess we've been getting free adrenal glands. i'll take it.
can anyone who has ordered adrenals confirm that they're yellowish with grey on the inside?
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Except that mine was in shoulder of lamb. OK, It's getting really annoying this suet thing... Suet is the stuff around the kidneys, OK I've got that. But people were referring to the stuff around the heart as suet too. I have started describing the particular muscle-fat which is similar to suet as 'suety'. It was just that the fat was similar to suet, but it was muscle-fat, and it had this sack in it. I guess it was kind of similar to that description of the glands though, odd... Could still be anything though. Since there seemed to be something inside some of the muscle tissue as well though, I'm kind of worried that there was just something wrong with this lamb.
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so i guess we've been getting free adrenal glands. i'll take it.
can anyone who has ordered adrenals confirm that they're yellowish with grey on the inside?
I've only eaten adrenals less than a handful of times. The last time I think was four months ago. More often than not after eating it I fall into violently vomiting. I don't recall the color. It was light I guess. Suet doesn't make me toss. I still think I may eat adrenal again, as I'm sure there must be some key way to do it right for me. Suet on the other hand, it's I think too waxy for me. I heard it's better digested and utilized mixed 50/50 with marrow?
I forget which organ it was, I think pancreas maybe, I do have it written somewhere online, anyway: had little gland looking things in it. Maybe I'll post it here if I look it up. It tasted good, whatever it was, and no adverse reactions.
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I don't recall the color. It was light I guess. ... I still think I may eat adrenal again, as I'm sure there must be some key way to do it right for me. ...
I forget which organ it was, I think pancreas maybe, I do have it written somewhere online, anyway: had little gland looking things in it. Maybe I'll post it here if I look it up.
http://tinyurl.com/yflazss (http://fabulousforagers.ning.com/forum/topics/adventures-eating-glands-and)
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I´m with rooney on the parasites. They do their hosts good in predigesting foods. The people in third world countries who eat mostly grains have a lot of them, they probably wouldn´t be able to digest that inhuman diet otherwise. Unhealthy people have unhealthy organs, the parasites are not doing the damage, the diet is. My son had those that look like a whip ( I don´t know if they are whipworms, or they just roll up like whips). He had had an operation a year before that, and had been taking strong antibiotics, and right after that he got problems with the digestion, he was constipated all the time and in pain when going to the bathroom. Then the digestion started to improve and after a big meal of raw, fatty ground beef, the biggest raw meat meal he had ever eaten, (he ate like 25 pretty big balls of meat!)out came a big worm. After another week came another one, and a third. Thats it, he was fine, his digestion since then has been super, it is more then a year ago. I think the parasite helped him get rid of toxic material in his intestines.
I also get those sacks in suet, brown slime, smells awful. I don´t eat those. What are they?
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But Afroza, what about when they get out of the digestive tract? When they get in to your organs/muscles, live there and/or lay eggs in or out of cysts?
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But Afroza, what about when they get out of the digestive tract? When they get in to your organs/muscles, live there and/or lay eggs in or out of cysts?
Then you would die, if you were a cooked food eater, and your worries would be over.
Rawists have no such problems.
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I think we have parasites in many organs and it´s the same thing, they are janitors. Parasites and larger animals have co-existed for hundreds of thousands of years because we all benefit from it. All animal tissue have inactive "parasites" in them that becomes active when needed, for example when we die. That has been scientifically proven. We don´t always get them from food, we are suppose to have them. They clean up messes, if you have them.
Whenever we slaughter sheeps, for example, they ALWAYS have two short, fat, white worms in there brains, that crawl away when you break the scull open. Isn´t that funny? Always two. I have asked my husband and his family (from Kashmir) who has seen hundreds of sheep beeing slaughtered over the years, and they confirm that they always have two worms in the brain. I am supercurious to ask a brain surgeon or people who do autopsys if humans have large worms in the brain too. I have heard from people who promotes anti-parasite cures that we can have parasites in the brain, but I don´t know how they know that or if there information is correct.
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So William, are you saying that: If you eat raw meat, you'll get parasites. Then, if you ever go back to cooked food you will die...?
I don't see why you'd really need parasites when you die... I'd just think that because your cells weren't being maintained any more, they'd be vulnerable to be digested. Like bacteria digests fruit when it gets weak.
If you get a parasite, which does the job of cleaning up your digestive system, or even your organs, then that is its' livelihood... If you stop giving it the toxins(what is toxic to you and food to the parasite) won't it release chemicals to make you feel bad for not eating those toxins? And if you don't give it its' food why won't it look for other food? i.e. you.
Does that have to mean it's a good thing that the sheep have those parasites in their brains, just because they do..?
The meningeal worm is an internal parasite (Paralaphostrongylus tenius) of the white-tailed deer that usually completes its life cycle in the deer without causing significant problems. However, when unnatural hosts, such as sheep and goats, become infested with meningeal worm, the parasite moves into the brain and/or spinal cord and causes neurological problems that can be fatal. Llamas and alpacas are even more susceptible to meningeal worm infection than sheep or goats. Cattle are not known to be affected.
-http://www.sheepandgoat.com/articles/deerworm.html
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Anti parasite measures are plenty.
Herbal Dewormers work. Beam Ray Machines work. Zappers Work. Yes they do.
But you must make sure you clean up your colon and kidneys and liver because they will be doing extra work excreting the dead little bodies of the parasites.
Be armed and dangerous Miles. Shoot them if you must.
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So William, are you saying that: If you eat raw meat, you'll get parasites. Then, if you ever go back to cooked food you will die...?
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Does that have to mean it's a good thing that the sheep have those parasites in their brains, just because they do..?
The meningeal worm is an internal parasite (Paralaphostrongylus tenius) of the white-tailed deer that usually completes its life cycle in the deer without causing significant problems. However, when unnatural hosts, such as sheep and goats, become infested with meningeal worm, the parasite moves into the brain and/or spinal cord and causes neurological problems that can be fatal. Llamas and alpacas are even more susceptible to meningeal worm infection than sheep or goats. Cattle are not known to be affected.
-http://www.sheepandgoat.com/articles/deerworm.html
That was my concern starting RAF, that once I start, if I started, could I ever go back without risking dangerous parasitic infection? I didn't think so. Now I think maybe it is possible, but possibly not, depends.
Were the sheep and goats in the test groups eating the same as the deer in the test groups?
I didn't like venison, I may try it again. I bet, maybe, it can be really good for the nervous system in most people (raw of course).
I read liver flukes from white tail deer in NC are a delicacy to toast on a stick and eat.
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yuck... That's dead liver flukes though.
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So William, are you saying that: If you eat raw meat, you'll get parasites. Then, if you ever go back to cooked food you will die...?
If I were saying that, I would need to include Schrödinger's cat in my point of view, which cat is both dead and alive at the same time, since I have eaten cooked food since starting raw.
Miles, just eat the stuff and be happy. Nobody is worrying about parasites, and after all, they may just be wrongly named. Some call them symbiotes; a better name IMHO.
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I don't know what it was... But in the lamb I was eating yesterday(raw) there were large cysts in the muscle and the fat(one in each). Within the suety muscle fat, there was a sack of soft whitish/light greyish mush; had some more solid things in amongst it... There was something similar in the muscle tissue as well, jelly-like mush, don't remember what colour.
How large are you talking? Sounds like some sort of sarcosyst, a protozoan parasite that turns into a 1/2 inch or so cyst, usually in muscle tissue. Check out this link (page down a bit) and let us know if this fits the bill: http://instruction.cvhs.okstate.edu/kocan/vpar5333/deerpar.htm.
You can do a Google search and see if there are species specific to domestic sheep, and see if you can find pictures.
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Really this thread is disappointing as hell. I would think more people on here would be educated on the true nature of parasites. Tapeworms in my understanding are just janitorial parasites that feed on decaying material. Since people who eat cooked food are by default already ingesting decayed matter, they naturally don't get any nutrients and become skinny and emaciated. However this has nothing to do with someone on a raw diet who will benefit from having Tapeworms rapidly detoxify them while replenishing the body with vital living foods which are utilized in spite of the tapeworm, hence symbiosis.
Read my first posts on this forum, I used to be terrified I had parasites and was sure it was the cause for my problems. Actually, it is the exact opposite. My lab tests indicate I USED to have a parasite which I lost somewhere along the line (likely from pointless antiparasitical herbs) and since then I suspect I started my progressive decline. Now I am going through such horrible neurological/endocrine detox from 5 years of SSRIs that I've decided to deliberately infuse myself with the Trichinosis whipworm by eating pig intestines. Trichinosis is actually indigenous to primitive humans and serves as a digestive symbiont (not janitorial), taking our food and transforming it via its excretions into readily available nutrients at 50 times the rate of bacteria. I need this increased digestion to rapidly heal and help build my nervous system and glandular system which is currently suffering tremendously. This is not a "theory", trichinosis is supposed to be living in symbiosis with me. I fully expect that 10 days from now I will be reaping tremendous benefits. Does it make sense that we can eat high meat but parasites are still bad? Give me a break, the germ theory is not just bunk in regards to bacteria. It is bunk period.
Then again, I might be too toxic to form symbiosis. But I am not worried about getting upset stomach and diarrhea from it. The very notion is hilarious. Been there, done that.
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That´s what I´m talking about, Spearhead says it all! And the rest of you can post any link you want on this parasite or that in this animal or that, we know that all animals are hosts to other spieces, call them parasites or not. The people doing the research in these links are all trained to be phobic of parasites and bacterias and the conclusions they draw from their data is probably much different than if a RAFoodist, or any other person with a different mindset, did the same research.
Sure you can poison your inner pets with herbs or zapper if you wan´t to (done that, yes it works), but why would you want that? It doesn´t make you healthier, quite the opposite.
For people with more free time and better speed then me can sure google for research on parasites and bacteria curing deadly diseases, cancers and others. There is lot´s out there.
And Miles, why I said parasites is good for us when we are dead is because otherwise the cemetarys would be a strange place, if all the corpses wheren´t eaten by our lovely worms and maggots. Even if you die in a sterile environment, with no incoming air our other means for pollutants, your body produces all parasites to make sure that there is nothing left but bones after a while. They get to it when your tissues are decaying, they don´t eat your healthy organs.
Love your parasites! ;) They love you!
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So what happens when these parasites eat all the bad shit inside you? If you are very sick, will they grow tremendously in size? And then when there is no bad tissue left, and you are on a raw diet which keeps you from producing bad tissue, do they start eating good tissue? Do they die? Just curious.
Spearman, let us know how your experiment goes!
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So what happens when these parasites eat all the bad shit inside you? If you are very sick, will they grow tremendously in size? And then when there is no bad tissue left, and you are on a raw diet which keeps you from producing bad tissue, do they start eating good tissue? Do they die? Just curious.
Spearman, let us know how your experiment goes!
My understanding is the janitorial tapeworms will be passed when there is no more decaying matter, but given our societal toxicity, I think you'd have to live pretty much in the jungle to ever reach that point. The digestive symbionts are likely to stay on a permanent basis if there is not over toxicity and the diet is raw and healthy. I think in the experiments AV mentions, the people infused with the worms lost them after 5 months more than likely because of continuing to eat garbage cooked food which eventually overwhelmed the whipworm.
I'll write a report on the trichinosis but I want to wait until I feel the symbiotic response. No point beginning a journal only to fail to have them bind with me.
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so what do you think; my dogs have always eaten raw organic grass fed lamb and beef and eggs. Always. They get tapeworm every now and then. From where and how have they accumulated their garbage? Same with any wild animal eating natures foods only. With sheep, their parasite load can weaken them to the point of exhaustion. And with aging goats the same is true, for their immune system is aging also. The worms proliferate to the point that their hair thins and dries, they lose weight, and energy drops. Yes, the strong will live on and their offspring will be probably more resistant to parasites.
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I think that turning grass into fat meat etc. is hard - hard on the immune system, so the worms to help. Then the older the animal, weaker the immune system and more symbiotes needed. Eventually there are just too many symbiotes, then they act as parasites.
Something like that.
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Coincidental, just got back from a friends house they had this recorded Dr. Oz show that they really wanted me to watch about parasites found in raw meats- tapeworms, roundworms and pinworms. Oz went on and on about how dangerous they looked without ever really mentioning anything that negative about them. One guy even voluntarily swallowed a tapeworm cyst and let it grow inside of him for a few weeks. He tooks some remedy and pooped it out. He had no symptoms of ill effects during the experiment.
Around 40 million in the US have had pinworms at one time or another and they don't seem to pose a threat.
Also, this is probably biased but Dr. Oz looks like a douche and has this annoying naaaasal tone.
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Saw The Aajonus episode on youtube, we have this show in Australia now. Junk food for the brain.
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I was just thinking last night about how some people said that tapeworms can act as 'symbionts', helping with the digestion of food... But if everything you're eating is digestible by you, all they'll be doing is converting edible food in to waste, taking the energy from it... They wouldn't help with anything in the slightest.
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I was just thinking last night about how some people said that tapeworms can act as 'symbionts', helping with the digestion of food... But if everything you're eating is digestible by you, all they'll be doing is converting edible food in to waste, taking the energy from it... They wouldn't help with anything in the slightest.
There appears to be no evidence that tapeworms exist in those who eat completely digestible food, such as raw pemmican. Maybe they just can't live in us; anyway they are certainly not a problem for us.
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There appears to be no evidence that tapeworms exist in those who eat completely digestible food, such as raw pemmican. ... they are certainly not a problem for us.
Are you saying that they have to eat some completely digestible or pemmican or 100% of their diet has to be this? Or that pemmican cures tapeworm infestation? Did you have tapeworms before? Could it be that people who eat a 100% pemmican diet were people that were not susceptible to tapeworms anyway (different body constitution-wise)?
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There appears to be no evidence that tapeworms exist in those who eat completely digestible food, such as raw pemmican. Maybe they just can't live in us; anyway they are certainly not a problem for us.
I am not convinced pemmican is a completely digestible food. Zero or almost no residue does not necessary mean 100% digestible as long as the food is not 100% raw. Some toxic components are taken up by the lymph (or other) system and does not end in the toilets but in the organs, skin, etc (cloging and disturbing the body)....
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Are you saying that they have to eat some completely digestible or pemmican or 100% of their diet has to be this? Or that pemmican cures tapeworm infestation? Did you have tapeworms before? Could it be that people who eat a 100% pemmican diet were people that were not susceptible to tapeworms anyway (different body constitution-wise)?
What I wrote seemed clear at the time....
I am not convinced pemmican is a completely digestible food. Zero or almost no residue does not necessary mean 100% digestible as long as the food is not 100% raw.
It's all raw. Be happy.
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http://izismile.com/2009/09/09/the_tongue_eating_louse_is_a_gross_parasite_living_in_a_fishs_mouth_18_pics.html
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http://izismile.com/2009/09/09/the_tongue_eating_louse_is_a_gross_parasite_living_in_a_fishs_mouth_18_pics.html
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You're only reacting this way due to social conditioning. Symbiosis is a wonderful thing and benefits many lifeforms. Imagine, this fish can now get a direct injection of digested nutrients straight from its living tongue. It is likely much more vibrant and enjoys longer life from this relationship.
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But the parasite has made reactions between the chemicals in the food, which give it energy, but render it useless to the fish. The fish then gets the waste-products. For the faeces of the parasite to become useful again, they would have to be acted upon by bacteria/fungi, then taken up by plant-life which will not be present within the fish.
This wouldn't be the issue however in this case, but it could be relevant to large gut-parasites such as tape-worms in humans.
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What are you eating? How is it prepared? What's the food's sources?
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Beef(100% fresh pasture fed), Beef(Supermarket 'Welsh'), Beef(Supermarket), Lamb(Supermarket 'Welsh'), Lamb(Supermarket 'British')
Raw, plain/unseasoned.
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But the parasite has made reactions between the chemicals in the food, which give it energy, but render it useless to the fish. The fish then gets the waste-products. For the faeces of the parasite to become useful again, they would have to be acted upon by bacteria/fungi, then taken up by plant-life which will not be present within the fish.
This wouldn't be the issue however in this case, but it could be relevant to large gut-parasites such as tape-worms in humans.
Sorry I'm having a hard time understanding what you are writing here. Symbiont excrement serves as a more concentrated form of food, which our villi can immediately take up, no need for further bacterial digestion. This is why Aajonus recommends people eat shit from a healthy animal if they can't dissolve a tumor. They are injecting a wonderful concentration of nutrients in a brief period to finish the detoxification.
Anyways you are not distinguishing between janitorial and digestive symbionts (even though all worms perform both tasks), tapeworms are focused more on janitorial tasks rather than aiding digestion.
You really need to get over your phobia of nature, do you think a tapeworm would instinctively try to weaken its host and risk death? Don't be silly. They want nothing more than a vibrant healthy host, because that in turn helps them.
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Humans rely on on their environment to stay alive too. It doesn't mean they won't cripple and exploit it.
If there is so much good in faeces, why would it be faeces?
Why would we need bacteria to digest meat? We have stomach acid which is meant to kill bacteria and if they survive in to the intestines that's not a good thing. We have acids, enzymes and emulsifiers (etc..) to digest the meat/fat. Bacteria living in the large intestine live off what we were unable to digest, of which there should be little.
It's not a blind fear. If something can continue to survive and reproduce, it'll continue to exist. It doesn't care as such how it does it. One organism could live off of another's undigested food peacefully for a life time, passing out eggs or copies in its' hosts' faeces and perhaps be beneficial, causing a little bit of gas but by chance also stopping the person's system from getting clogged up. If the parasitic organism(eu or prokaryotik) wasn't there, perhaps the host organism would've either died out or needed to evolve some other system for preventing blockage.
Another parasite could find a way of sending its' eggs in to the blood-stream to wait in cysts, then to hatch-out and use the surrounding host-cells for food. It doesn't matter if it kills its' host because something else will eat the host and the cycle can begin again. It could even(through selection) lie dormant for a period by which its' preferred host-species would usually have produced off-spring, if it struggles to survive in other hosts. Either that, or you could get parasites which can live symbiotically with one host, but be greatly detrimental to another.
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Why would we need bacteria to digest meat?
Bacteria together with enzymes digest the meat before we eat it.
So it's of paramount importance to age all of the muscle-meats and some organ-meats; the digestion will be much better.
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But... the bacteria will be converting useful compounds, compounds which we could react within our body to release energy, in to useless compounds...?
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No. The bacteria will be converting these compounds into more bioavailable and better digestable ones.
The same situation is with raw fresh milk, which is much more harder to digest than the fermented one.
The same is with raw cabbage and the fermented one - sauerkraut.
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Humans rely on on their environment to stay alive too. It doesn't mean they won't cripple and exploit it.
If there is so much good in faeces, why would it be faeces?
Why would we need bacteria to digest meat? We have stomach acid which is meant to kill bacteria and if they survive in to the intestines that's not a good thing. We have acids, enzymes and emulsifiers (etc..) to digest the meat/fat. Bacteria living in the large intestine live off what we were unable to digest, of which there should be little.
It's not a blind fear. If something can continue to survive and reproduce, it'll continue to exist. It doesn't care as such how it does it. One organism could live off of another's undigested food peacefully for a life time, passing out eggs or copies in its' hosts' faeces and perhaps be beneficial, causing a little bit of gas but by chance also stopping the person's system from getting clogged up. If the parasitic organism(eu or prokaryotik) wasn't there, perhaps the host organism would've either died out or needed to evolve some other system for preventing blockage.
Another parasite could find a way of sending its' eggs in to the blood-stream to wait in cysts, then to hatch-out and use the surrounding host-cells for food. It doesn't matter if it kills its' host because something else will eat the host and the cycle can begin again. It could even(through selection) lie dormant for a period by which its' preferred host-species would usually have produced off-spring, if it struggles to survive in other hosts. Either that, or you could get parasites which can live symbiotically with one host, but be greatly detrimental to another.
Really I am shocked. I don't even know what to say here. If you believe in the Germ Theory what are you doing eating raw? If you really believe bacteria has nothing to do with digestion, try a course of antibiotics for a month and see how you feel.
Stomach acid killing bacteria? That is an outright fraud. Bacteria works beautifully in conjunction with stomach acid to facilitate digestion, it is not harmed by it. But again, don't take my word for it, try a course of antibiotics for a month, if you are right, you will have nothing to lose.
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Well, then those will be the ones which have evolved alongside us, non-harmfully and which we could even have developed a certain amount of dependence for. That does not mean that all bacteria are nice and want to look after us, they don't do it to be nice, they just 'found' a niche.
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That does not mean that all bacteria are nice and want to look after us, they don't do it to be nice, they just 'found' a niche.
You're right that not all the bacteria are beneficial - the natural balance between good ones and bad ones is what it's really important.
If you eat cooked foods you you've got zero good bateria, because they are anihilated and you'll only get bad bacteria, which develop after some time.
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You're right that not all the bacteria are beneficial - the natural balance between good ones and bad ones is what it's really important.
If you eat cooked foods you you've got zero good bateria, because they are anihilated and you'll only get bad bacteria, which develop after some time.
This is also not true. There is no such thing as a harmful bacteria. This is like substantiating the fraudulent claim that bacteria causes tooth decay, when it is the detox of the brains heavy metals and chemicals out of the dentine that causes the decay, at which point bacteria occupies the decay to keep it from becoming a cesspool. Bacteria our bodies don't actively work in conjunction with are there as janitors to clean out dead cells. The only harmful bacteria are bacterial mutations made in a laboratory.
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This is also not true. There is no such thing as a harmful bacteria.
What about Clostridium botulinum, Bacillus anthracis, Clostridium tetani or Vibrio cholerae? Do you think that they all are beneficial? If so, have you got any proof?
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What about Clostridium botulinum, Bacillus anthracis, Clostridium tetani or Vibrio cholerae? Do you think that they all are beneficial? If so, have you got any proof?
Regarding botulism, my suspicion is that this is another man-made mutated agent. The rural third world never sees incidents of botulism due to a lack of canned food sources and possible contaminants placed by food companies. Anthrax as it is used in biological warfare is without a doubt a mutated agent of man, I don't really think its necessary to substantiate that one further. As for cholera and others, I'm not sure, but given that it has a tendency to be absorbed through drinking contaminated waters in third world countries, I strongly suspect it is caused by toxic runoffs of some sort from certain industrial dumping grounds. Especially when you consider it only came into wide proliferation at the beginning of the industrial age. In this case it might not be a deliberately laboratory-made mutation, rather it could be a janitorial bacteria that exists in light of extreme toxicity in water supplies.
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Regarding botulism, my suspicion is that this is another man-made mutated agent.
That's not true. Put the meat into the glass jar, seal it thoroughly, do not air it for a month or so and you'll probably get that Clostridium botulinum. Go to laborabory and they'll tell you.
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That's not true. Put the meat into the glass jar, seal it thoroughly, do not air it for a month or so and you'll probably get that Clostridium botulinum. Go to laborabory and they'll tell you.
Again, botulism has no pre-industrial age history, which indicates that it is largely a by product of human created toxicity. As for your claim you can create it in a glass jar, I find that highly dubious, and I'm not about to trust any laboratory funded by pharmaceutical companies, which 99.9% are.
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Put the meat into the glass jar, seal it thoroughly, do not air it for a month or so and you'll probably get that Clostridium botulinum.
I've done that. I didn't get sick from eating it (not at all).
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I've done that. I didn't get sick from eating it (not at all).
That's what I'm talking about. You're well nourished and have got the good balance, so these kinds of bacteria do not affect you.
But the majority of people could get seriously ill.
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Again, botulism has no pre-industrial age history, which indicates that it is largely a by product of human created toxicity. As for your claim you can create it in a glass jar, I find that highly dubious, and I'm not about to trust any laboratory funded by pharmaceutical companies, which 99.9% are.
Your arguments are really funny.
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That's what I'm talking about. You're well nourished and have got the good balance, so these kinds of bacteria do not affect you.
But the majority of people could get seriously ill.
The meat smelled strongly of ammonia. It kind of felt oxygenating to eat it. That's the only effect, like smelling salts.
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Your arguments are really funny.
Why? If you're claiming a healthy person would not be adversely affected by botulism then we are in essence making the same argument, bacteria can only feed on dead or decaying cells, correct? Again though, you have to explain to me how botulism is not a consequence of the industrial age if there is no record of it before then?
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Who was keeping record?
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I wish that more of us here would take the time if stating a fact to either declare it as an opinion or give a reference. Most 'facts' are eventually found to be something different, so please, offer references so that 'we' may look into ourselves rather than believe another belief.
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Why? If you're claiming a healthy person would not be adversely affected by botulism then we are in essence making the same argument, bacteria can only feed on dead or decaying cells, correct? Again though, you have to explain to me how botulism is not a consequence of the industrial age if there is no record of it before then?
But we live in 2010 year, not in paleo times. We've got a lot of more bacteria, somo of the mutated, some of them man-made - it doesn't matter. What matters is that THEY EXIST and we've got to live with them.
The same bacteria can be nothing for us and for others could by deadly.
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I wish that more of us here would take the time if stating a fact to either declare it as an opinion or give a reference. Most 'facts' are eventually found to be something different, so please, offer references so that 'we' may look into ourselves rather than believe another belief.
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But we live in 2010 year, not in paleo times. We've got a lot of more bacteria, somo of the mutated, some of them man-made - it doesn't matter. What matters is that THEY EXIST and we've got to live with them.
The same bacteria can be nothing for us and for others could by deadly.
I don't think we're really disagreeing here, but just to reiterate, I believe all bacteria in its natural, non mutated or genetically altered state is generally a beneficial janitor. Of course our putrid and chemical society changes the equation, but my main point is, it is no way a justification for the Germ Theory which is one of the biggest lies ever told of the last millennium.
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I don't think we're really disagreeing here, but just to reiterate, I believe all bacteria in its natural, non mutated or genetically altered state is generally a beneficial janitor. Of course our putrid and chemical society changes the equation, but my main point is, it is no way a justification for the Germ Theory which is one of the biggest lies ever told of the last millennium.
How is it that wild animal populations can get decimated by disease? This has been happening for millions of years. They are eating their ideal diets. It's not that I disagree that a very good diet isn't partially protective against microbes. Yes, it is. That doesn't mean it is protective against ALL microbes, whether mutated or not.
You're not being realistic. We don't live in an ideal world. Even the pre-human Earth wasn't ideal. Wild animals DID die of infectious diseases.
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How is it that wild animal populations can get decimated by disease? This has been happening for millions of years. They are eating their ideal diets. It's not that I disagree that a very good diet isn't partially protective against microbes. Yes, it is. That doesn't mean it is protective against ALL microbes, whether mutated or not.
You're not being realistic. We don't live in an ideal world. Even the pre-human Earth wasn't ideal. Wild animals DID die of infectious diseases.
People who visit gorillas in Africa mountains must wear a mask to not contaminate them with human pathogens (it remains only a few hundreds gorillas today).
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Now I am going through such horrible neurological/endocrine detox from 5 years of SSRIs that I've decided to deliberately infuse myself with the Trichinosis whipworm by eating pig intestines. Trichinosis is actually indigenous to primitive humans and serves as a digestive symbiont (not janitorial), taking our food and transforming it via its excretions into readily available nutrients at 50 times the rate of bacteria. I need this increased digestion to rapidly heal and help build my nervous system and glandular system which is currently suffering tremendously. This is not a "theory", trichinosis is supposed to be living in symbiosis with me. I fully expect that 10 days from now I will be reaping tremendous benefits. Does it make sense that we can eat high meat but parasites are still bad? Give me a break, the germ theory is not just bunk in regards to bacteria. It is bunk period.
Then again, I might be too toxic to form symbiosis. But I am not worried about getting upset stomach and diarrhea from it. The very notion is hilarious. Been there, done that.
Its been more than 2 weeks, how did your experiment go? Did you reap tremendous benefits?
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So what happens when these parasites eat all the bad shit inside you? If you are very sick, will they grow tremendously in size? And then when there is no bad tissue left, and you are on a raw diet which keeps you from producing bad tissue, do they start eating good tissue? Do they die? Just curious.
Spearman, let us know how your experiment goes!
My understanding is the janitorial tapeworms will be passed when there is no more decaying matter, but given our societal toxicity, I think you'd have to live pretty much in the jungle to ever reach that point. The digestive symbionts are likely to stay on a permanent basis if there is not over toxicity and the diet is raw and healthy. I think in the experiments AV mentions, the people infused with the worms lost them after 5 months more than likely because of continuing to eat garbage cooked food which eventually overwhelmed the whipworm.
I'll write a report on the trichinosis but I want to wait until I feel the symbiotic response. No point beginning a journal only to fail to have them bind with me.
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Wondering if you produced your report and how you got on since February 12, 2010, 11:43:34 PM, as this was a long time ago. Many others interested in outcome of your experiment with raw pig's intestines, and some may want to copy this, if beneficial. Any others ever tried this?
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I had tapeworms crawling out of my butt hole december 2009 and jan 2010.
After trying more natural stuff to get rid of it, i gave up and did a 30 day herbal parasite cleanse from humaworm.com
Got rid of my tapeworms.
And i saved money since then. From eating 600 grams a day of raw meat to only 200 grams a day or less.
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I had tapeworms crawling out of my butt hole december 2009 and jan 2010.
After trying more natural stuff to get rid of it, i gave up and did a 30 day herbal parasite cleanse from humaworm.com
Got rid of my tapeworms.
And i saved money since then. From eating 600 grams a day of raw meat to only 200 grams a day or less.
it looks like humaworm is not the same quality as it was back in 2009... any other method to get rid of them?
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Barefoot Herbalist MH is another dewormer source we stock at home
http://oldfashionedspices.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=27 (http://oldfashionedspices.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=27)
You need to join his forum and ask his advice and dosages at http://www.curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=626 (http://www.curezone.org/forums/f.asp?f=626)