I know fencing is important. Another concern.

    Kiddie pool, cool. lol I'm sure they'd dirty a saltwater swimming pool. Even my parrots I made sure had water to bath with every day. I hope I don't have a big fight having unfluoridated unchlorinated civilized water. Indian runners don't need much water?

    He's very aware if the cows/goats eat any grain. I don't know if he would be the same with eggs or not. Hopefully he won't bring it up and just feel well with it. If grain fed egg hurts him and I don't warn him, he might feel hurt. What about feeding the laying hens old grass fed meat and entrails? I'm sure he's cool with the animals eating anything that's good for them.

    I had to eat yolks without whites for six months before I could tolerate any whites. The whites were smelling awful to me.

  Av does recommend fish in place of dairy for some health conditions.

    As for no red meat when no dairy? I've considered that before. I think it makes sense. I do better with (raw) white meat anyway, and if I lived somewhere without cows, I'd have no (cow) milk nor beef/bison etc.

    St0rm I have been sproutarian. It was amazing. I had energy, flexibility etc. It pissed the oncologist/hematologist off big time! It did not make me completely well. I did not feel completely well.  It also brought new health discomforts. It served a great purpose though. Best to you on this step, sproutarian or not.

"Supplement ... Only b12"

    We're not all the same. No vegan that I know of in my family had a bad b12 or mma test. Meat is not a vitamin, it's a way of living.

"Supposed to be"

    I have experience. No amount of meat protein is too much for my kidneys. Small amounts of plant protein are bad for my kidneys. Any amount of cooked meat is not good for my kidneys. How old are you, two?

    How are your ratios for all the various lipids and types of cholesterol in your blood? My medical doctor gp says mine are "Awesome!" Mine have never been high or bad, but I am more than pleased with them now.  There's no reason to deprive yourself from food on a raw meat forum, if you were suffering from low cholesterol diseases and vegan for decades on good vegan foods.

    Fear. I still don't love the taste of meat. I do appreciate feeling well, calm, strong and healthy though etc. I react to foods very quickly, always felt something individual with each type of food. I can tell you I was really amazed with my first bite of raw fleshfood, it felt .. like the first real food I ever had, and long and ignorantly overdue. It took most of my fear of parasites away immediately.

    I don't live in Hawaii to be cracking macademias all day, and the coconuts here aren't the best. Coconut oil is highly allergenic to most of us on the forum and nuts are dangerous to eat too many of. Look at tol, they have to supplement and colonically irrigated to make up for it. There are a lot of people on earth, why argue? Herbivores are food. It's best for us and the earth to eat raw herbivores over other food. Gabriel is a doctor, and I respect doctors to be doctors, but what are you doing here St0rm?

    As for sex and your veganism and our raw meat diets, try it, you may not want to go back.  Almost any tribal culture we can find records prescribed extra animal food when trying to conceive. I have known many lifer vegans who craved meat while pregnant etc. Why do you keep chewing on this bone? It's done.

    Dry age one steak seven to ten weeks while you make highmeat at the same time. Stick your nose right up to the dry steak and sniff very deep. Do the same in the jar of highmeat. The aroma let's you know more or less what kinds of bacteria may be present. I use dry aging to get rid of smelly bacterial slime from fresh meat delivered late in plastic.

lol only one I know of is jicama.

Wouldn't grains/beans be better than tubers eaten raw?

And of course sprouted.

    I find grains too dangerous. If they don't kill you, go ahead and eat them.

    Pasteurized butter while eating otherwise a raw diet makes me sick! 

    Raw milk is a whole food.  A raw sardine or a raw cornish hen with gizzards is a whole food.  Lean meat is not a whole food.  Try to balance it if you eat it again, or it makes most over eat.

    I used honey with my meat from the beginning, my reasoning being that honey experts told me unheated honey help people with microorganisms, and I was afraid of pathogens of raw meat.  I'm not saying you should ever eat honey again, or that you shouldn't eat fruit.  If you do choose to eat honey again, perhaps have it with meat instead of dairy.  Is the honey you got more recently from the same bees etc as before that?

    Might adding cheese to your menus medicinally in the fashion AV recommends help?

    Are you using one of the basic menu plans in the book?  The individual one he gave me was quite different.  I find all I talk to who had the consult also have very different plans each.

    I guess it's like allopathic medicine, in that just because aspirin is allopathic, does not mean that everyone who believes in allopathy should replace their thyroid med with aspirin.  I think AV knows this, and would recommend differently to each person, if they went to him.  That doesn't make me not want to read allopathic books.  I don't want to anyway though.  But if I got pain seriously and believed in Allo, I would not read two books and self medicate, I would get a thorough medical exam.

How is everyone with raw pork? We have not done that yet because of all the WARNINGS we have been taught our whole lives. We raise our own pork, chicken, rabbit, cows, and dairy products but have just recently, in the last year or so, starting eating the eggs raw. The only other raw we have ate is store bought meats like fish and beef. NO organ meats yet or chicken...........just too darn fearful yet!  MAN, you know what they say about raw chicken and pork!

    I eat raw rabbit, cow, pig, chicken, whatever is available, bison much better than beef.  I particularly feel healthy eating raw pork and raw chicken.  It was scary though to try them the first time with each, only because of being warned.  I tried salmon, other deep cold water fish, clams and beef before chicken, pork, duck and turkey.

    What about all the people that don't digest starch well, even as children?

    Hi Raw12.

    I've been calling it fermented meat; because that's what it seems most call it in this forum.  I was resistant to call meat that at first, as I learned fermentation only with honey, fruit, seeds, nuts, grain, vegetables and milk, so I thought it had to be from straight carbs.  Also, I called it culturing when it was good, and fermenting when it turned to alcohol or nasty-looking/feeling fungus.  Anyway, I continued to call AV-style/RPG-style rotten meat high meat, or highmeats, but I call the same as fermented meats instead now, as it seems a more popular term in this forum.  It makes sense though, especially since I had a little experience with mycology too, propagating specific fungi and  not others making substrate that the fungus likes. 

    I should learn more about highmeat some time, but I know the important part, it's the best food on earth , so far.  I feel great when I eat it.  Also that certain organ highmeats seem to be great for particular qualities, when I've made and eaten them.  I have a bunch of jars in a separate fridge, and plan to hopefully eat it more often.  Looks like my family may move into a house that has no stove or oven and not bring one nor buy one and not be near restaurants or Whole Foods Market.  If I'll be at home raising sheep, bees, trees and chicken, maybe we'll get into the groove like your family and enjoy raw animal food meals at the table together.

    I started calling it highmeats, rather than high meat in the GI2MR forum.  Over there every time I said high meat, most were very sure in their limited perceptions that I meant a diet high in cooked factory farm meat, so I found if I wrote highmeats, they'd realize I may mean something they're less familiar with. 

Does anybody know how old Gabriel is?

    I think I heard sixty-five?

    Liver is right front lower quadrant of abdomen.