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Although I'm not sure some country towns might have grass fed as standard, but seeing as you're a uni student you are definitely in the city (Sydney?) so meat is grain fed 100% of the time unless stated otherwise.

Yep Sydney, always great when you are on a budget  l) ...

Well gonna keep paying for grain fed... Wasn't there a TV show with farmers looking for a wife or something like that?  -\  ;D

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All grain fed unfortunately. It's fine to eat though, but grass fed is better if you can get it from a farm or certain shops. Grass fed beef is marketed as a 'low fat health food' so forget about getting any fatty cuts from a shop you'll have to contact a farmer to get fat, and then they will not sell it to you because fat's unhealthy and they are concerned that you buy so much l). Way to go FDA.

Is it?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??   :'(

Well then i guess I'll keep eating grain fed, I'm a broken overseas student, univ and accommodation are expensive enough  :(

This morning i found an Asian butcher with very, i mean VERY, good prices (the meat looked clean and fresh) I'd normally think "oh it might be because is grain fed" but now you're saying it's All grain fed   >:

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Awesome guys, Thanks

I really really agree with fish not filling me up.... i mean i can eat 3000 calories worth of salmon (mostly fat cause i eat toasted skin- yeah I know mercury, I cant help it) and after 3 hours, no matter what I’m craving more food. With beef, even if i just ate 800-1000 cals is enough to keep me going for hours. Don’t take me wrong, i love fish, but it has to be part of my meal, not my meal  :'(

About grass fed, i think most  Australian meat is grass fed, i might be wrong but i recall reading that somewhere.

Ok i'll make sure to keep my eyes open when buying, try to get it really fresh so i don’t get poisoned.... Well at least is not that bad, i thought it would kill me but if it’s just going to make me sick for a couple of days, i'll take the risk... couple of days free from work  8)

PS. I love how anything in these kind of paleo forums ends with "Can you give me the references?" lol

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If you don't mind grain finished you can get steaks really cheap. $9 kg for sirloin in bulk here in Oz, it bugs me when I hear people complain meats expensive here. I could walk down the road right now and buy a roast for $7kg and fatty mince for $2kg. Anyway mince is just steaks which have gone through a grinder.

Good luck.

 :o Where?

See what i mean when i say i know nothing xD The cheapest steak I’ve found is 17 per kg and it was really cheap comparing to what i usually pay, that's why i don’t have to count calories, just count price  -\

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Well I’m ready, I’ve been carnivore for quite a while and I’m kind of sick of steak prices, seriously is insane here in Australia, so i'm gonna cut on them and move to ground beef... Problem? I hate it cooked, I’ve eaten it raw before cause my parents are middle eastern so I used to eat it a lot, but mixed with wheat  -X

Now, i didn’t even know where my dad used to get the meat from, they used to say they had a reliable butcher "cause if you gonna eat raw meat you have to make sure is fresh, clean, etc, etc, etc"

I get my meat from the supermarket, is it safe? or  should i find a butcher, ask him if the meat is fresh, ask the cow's name, ID, nationality, etc -_-! sorry…

No, seriously is it dangerous if it is not so fresh? (ok I’ll find out the day when they usually stock) do i have to freeze it for 24hrs? (that's what my mum used to do)?? ?

PS. Don’t make fun of me for knowing nothing about food  -[, it’s because I used to say "the day i move out i'd live on wholegrain sandwiches and skim yogurt with granola  l)

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Raw Liver?
« on: January 30, 2010, 02:57:37 pm »
Talking about Liver, I hadn't tasted liver since I was 7? Until yesterday and it was  -v

I mean I was cutting it to cook it (I’m not raw yet) and I almost cried  :'(

Should I add I spent my whole adolescence in a super low calorie almost vegetarian diet? So I guess you get the picture.

My question: Any of you guys used to hate it and then after several tries you got used to it? I'm really really, really trying but I need some "success experience" on eating liver and other organs lol  Anyone?  -[

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Hey guys. thanks a lot for all the replies.

Well if we are being skeptical enough to go against SAD, low fat, low calorie, high carb, high fiber, low-to no meat, and all that conventional wisdom I guess I can try to open my mind to consider high calcium intake not being that necessary.

I'm still having hard time understanding then What causes  bone density loss, I guess i bought Cordain's theory way too fast without researching, anyhow i guess the method most of you suggest is the best way to go, Self experimentation mmmmm, let's see how it goes. Eades has written about it as well hasn’t he? I’m going give it a read.

I'm currently supplementing with magnesium and calcium. I'm pretty sure i get enough Vit D (Australia lol) and I’m getting myself to eat most parts of the animal (sorry no stomach content for me   -v I prefer dying from starvation).

About ratios, definitely I’m not going to fall into rabbit starvation xD I eat about 70-75% fat and the rest from protein, grass fed (cause is the only thing you find here). I’ve been doing that for a long time while low carbing.


There are studies done on (low-calcium-diet-eating) Bantu women who had excellent bone-health, so the calcium-issue doesn't exist. Indeed if you consume too much calcium via dairy you block the uptake of magnesium into the body thus harming your bones in another way.

As for ZC, some people go through stages lasting weeks/months/years of getting leg-cramps, racing heartbeat and other symptoms, but eventually adjust. Others start deteriorating very heavily on raw zc after a week or more on such a diet and have to give it up or end in the morgue. I guess you have to judge by symptoms:- if the symptoms aren't lowering your quality of life too much, keep on with it. But if you notice a steady decline, then you'd better give up ZC.


You've scared me a bit  -[;  I mean when people say "You are going to die from a heart attack or colon cancer" I just ignore them cause I know they're just a SAD's broken disk, however someone who's tried it and says that actually worries me,  I’m not planning to give up because anything that can help me with my ED is worth it but what you mean? Isn't it normal ketosis symptoms? Increased heartbeats?


Thanks again for all the help ;)

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Hi, I'm quite new on this Zero carb/Carnivorous WOE. I've suffered from ED my whole life and a couple of years ago i "discovered" low carb and for the first time in my life i wasn't binging on daily bases... Anyway long story made short: I was still binging, never lost a pound (because of this) but it was better than nothing.

I started VLC and helped a lot, then after reading ZIOH I decided to give ZC a try (i wanted to become a member but i think my personality doesn't fit well in there  -[ and viola, no binges, no urges to, never EVER tired after eating (something i couldn't achieve even with VLC).

ZC definitely is the WOE for me (not raw yet). I'm not convinced human is carnivorous, i really think we evolved consuming  60-70 percent plus from animal kingdom and the rest from plant matter, however it doesn't work for me, I'm a carb addict and after so many year i quit, cant keep fighting against it, i cant eat carbs.


I've got some doubts, i hope you can help me here (paleo/low carb community have really smart members, i don't understand 98% of what you guys talk about lol):

1- If you are 100% carnivorous (i know, i know carnivorous sometimes eat some plant matter), it means you have a totally acid diet, am i right? According to Cordain the balance alkaline-acid is vital in order to prevent depletion on calcium and therefore is more important than calcium in/out concerning to osteoporosis. I'm a women, 22y/o, not consuming any diary and really concerned about it, I'm currently taking calcium supplements (not planing to quit them). Do you have any studies, opinions, theories about this? Are we at high risk of developing osteoporosis?

2- Other vitamin and minerals. I know that if you eat the whole animal you will be getting most micronutrients you need. i.e chicken liver i think it's a great source of Vit C... But what abut others? do you supplement? I think magnesium plays a great role for preventing heart disease, etc.

3- Also, I've read alot about having muscle cramps on ZC, Felling really hot after eating, etc, is that supposed to be normal? Cause i can not imagine a caveman having to suffer from that, I've read about people that after years still suffer from that. It sends me the kind of message as when eating High Carb "you are not doing the right thing". Does it eventually go away? why does it happen?

4- I had other questions but i forgot  -\

I hope someone can help me with the doubts. Thanks a lot guys ;)
(Sorry for my spelling, you can notice I'm not an English speaker he he)

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