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Title: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on February 27, 2014, 07:42:20 am
I started developing chronic headache that got more and more frequent as time went by, now barely a day goes by without having an headache. I been using melatonin for years now to help me sleep as I have a very hard time sleeping but it give me an headache most of the time when I take it now, even as low as 0.1 mg. So I decided to cut melatonin for good and see if it help headaches.

As anyone else struggled with this? CFS/Chronic Headache started after my digestive issue and I find CFS/Headache much more impairing now then all those digestive problem, today I'm doing very good digestion wise but my headache feels like a migraine. For some reason whenever my digestion is at bay, my headaches go crazy, it's like I can't be free of headache and without digestive upset at the same time, it's one or the other or both. Any thoughts on what could be done or why it's happening?
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: TylerDurden on February 27, 2014, 03:43:19 pm
Melatonin only works temporarily. After a while, the body stops producing its own melatonin and the dosage also becomes ineffective.

I would suggest trying autogenic training. It is quite easy to achieve. Info on it should be available online.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: jessica on February 27, 2014, 08:53:13 pm
What are your habits like?  Do you drink enough water? Do you get enough minerals and salts?  Do you stay up at night in front of the computer or TV or even just under artificial lighting after  you are tired? Do you have enough activity throughout the day? Get out into the sunshine?  Work on any calming practices before bedtime? What do you eat throughout the day?
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on February 27, 2014, 10:22:45 pm
Well I eat ground beef and honey but my eating habits changed several times and don't seem to affect my sleep pattern. I drink throughout the day whenever I'm thirsty. I sleep between 9:30pm and 10:30pm and stay in bed till about 9-10am, waking up so many times just to pee. I'm always tired, I have don't go out because I don't have enough energy, no matter how long I slept I feel like I wake awake all night like now, about to go back to sleep despite having been in bed almost 12hours. I meditate every time I go bed for about 30-mins to 1hour.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: 24isours on February 27, 2014, 10:27:05 pm
As I mentioned before, If you are very low carb you will have to supplement extra salt in your diet. Your headaches could be caused by dehydration. Without enough salt you won't be utilizing the water you drink and it will just pass through.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on February 27, 2014, 11:50:05 pm
I'm definitively not VLC I'm getting good amount of honey, I could try to add some salt though.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: van on February 28, 2014, 02:19:17 am
don't know really how to say this, but your choice of ground beef and honey seems extreme to me.  If it was a once a week occurrence, ok, but as a mainstay, I think you're inviting trouble.  Honey is sugar which will raise your insulin levels which will raise your cortisol levels, which will cause inflammation.   Now if it's just a teaspoon here and there, fine, but as described, I have no way of knowing how much,, and Why?   Venture out, include other foods; eggs, fish, whole pieces of raw grass fed meat, marrow, and back fat, oysters, some greens or other vegetables that you find tasty.   
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on February 28, 2014, 02:32:09 am
Well, I only have access to fresh ground beef, I will be getting frozen organs(liver and heart) as well as suet in a few weeks. The reason I take honey is because it does have a benefictinal effect on my digestion, it soothe my organs. I feel SOOOO clogged when I eat meat by itself, it's like my entire digestive organs are stuck and can't move and i get spasms with constipation.

I have eggs but I had severe intolerance to them just so many times I had them raw once since going raw paleo but not sure if I tolerate them well.

I want to do fish but I need to find a source, all the stuff in a regular grocery store can't be eaten apparently. And I eat fermented vegetables, I just happen to have run out of them for now.

I don't get all the fear about honey, sure it taste very good and is addictive but I feel physically better with it and never had an insulin problem. I went ZC in the beginning and it hurt my digestive organs so much, I felt relief when I included honey.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: eveheart on February 28, 2014, 02:52:10 am
You've mentioned gut issues a lot, and there may be a connection between your gut symptoms and headaches. The headache solution may well come as everything heals.

You said you lived near Montreal, right? I've been to Montreal; it's a large city with with markets all over the place and with surrounding farmland. The rest of Quebec Province is all forests. So, I'd say, get out of the supermarket! Google your leads and follow up with phone calls and visits. Find cooked paleo dieters and ask where they shop - they are as fussy about their food sources as raw paleo dieters are.

With whom do you live, and what are your food storage options? What are your transportation options.

Use your meditation time to challenge and dissolve your focus on what doesn't work. Open yourself to every solution.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Inger on February 28, 2014, 02:58:46 am
Why all I can think of reading your post is... EMFs. Dehydration....

I started to get morning head aches as the smart meter was installed in this house. I did not even know about it until later. Wifi, other EMF dehydrates you. Dehydration = Headache
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on February 28, 2014, 03:14:40 am
Yeah I have a wifi in my room and been thinking maybe it could cause problem, I definitively didn't have as much headache as before it got installed. I disabled it and put my cell phone as far away as possible, will see if that helps.
I don't feel dehydrated though.

And I live 40mins away from Montreal, the actual place to get all the good stuff are IN Montreal, where I am not. My only transportation methods are my parents which I live with and bus and I have my own refrigerator and freezer. Yup I live with my parents because I can no longer support myself from being so ill, I used to live on my own, health only got worse when I moved with them.

Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: eveheart on February 28, 2014, 03:30:36 am
...I live 40 mins away from Montreal, the actual place to get all the good stuff are IN Montreal, where I am not.'my only way transportation method are my parents which I live with and bus and I have my own refrigerator and freezer. Yup I live with my parents because I can no longer support myself from being so ill, I used to live on my own, health only got worse when I moved with them.

Those are some of the objections that I mentioned, where you are focusing on what doesn't work. The hunter-gatherer mentality would say, "yes, our hunt can take days, and we have to carry the carcass all the way home to feed our families, but we are hunters! We can do this."

With two shopping bags, you could take a day trip to one or two markets in Montreal, buy 10 or twenty pounds of meat, hang them in your refrigerator, and you're set for a week or two.

The bus ride itself is a time for meditation, conversation with yourself or others, or music appreciation on your portable device with headphones.

Another solution is to get help from a friend or relative, go to your markets or farms once a month, buy more because you can put stuff in the car or truck, and learn the best ways to store that much meat and fish for a month. You can pay for gas or find another person who wants to shop for the same things you want.

This is how it's done. You can do this.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on February 28, 2014, 03:45:17 am
Well I already have this place that I can go once a week to get fresh ground grass-fed beef and up to a week I find still palatable but having fish out in the frigd for a whole month? That's gonna taste so gross lol. I'm wondering if I should just go with frozen, not sure if my concerns regarding frozen food are accurate, it just seems like it won't be good enough. How come living off beef organs, suet and ground beef with fermented veggie not good enough? At least until some healing has taken place and then I can do more eggs and other vegetables and fruits.

Lex has done ZC of mostly just frozen ground beef and suet if I recall and is doing better then ever.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: eveheart on February 28, 2014, 04:24:10 am
Well I already have this place that I can go once a week to get fresh ground grass-fed beef and up to a week I find still palatable but having fish out in the frigd for a whole month? That's gonna taste so gross lol. I'm wondering if I should just go with frozen, not sure if my concerns regarding frozen food are accurate, it just seems like it won't be good enough. How come living off beef organs, suet and ground beef with fermented veggie not good enough? At least until some healing has taken place and then I can do more eggs and other vegetables and fruits.

You have being eating RPD for less than two weeks, with disgestive issues you have candidly described here. That might be a reason to rotate your food sources.

I split and hang fatty fish like mackerel and salmon in the refrigerator for up to a week. It gets like moist fish jerky, but not gross. After a week, it's all eaten up, but it would continue to dry if left hanging. Hanging in the cold is a traditional way of storing fish. Thawed raw fish gets all weird and watery, IMO.

People who avoid frozen food do so because of bad reactions or dislike of the change in the food. I fall in the later group, but I still use a small amount of frozen food when there's something I want to buy that I can only source frozen. There are no paleo police telling you how to do it right, only suggestions here from a diverse group of people with a diverse range of good and poor health.

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Lex has done ZC of mostly just frozen ground beef and suet if I recall and is doing better then ever.

It's hard to compare - Lex is managing high blood sugar issues, and you say you have no problem with blood sugar.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on February 28, 2014, 04:47:50 am
Yeah I don't might the taste of frozen food at all if it been in the refrigerator for a day or so. I only choose to eat fresh food because I feel it might benefit my health better, not because of taste. I been eating ground beef,lamb, pork and dunk eggs once and I feel best on ground beef, I still feel much better on raw then I did before the other diet so it's an improvement, I just still feel very ill because of feeling clogged, having constipation and chronic headaches. Honey helps me but then I hear all people saying "HONEY IS BAD" .I also am severely UNDERWEIGHT I lost 35 pounds I don't need to lose weight.

I haven't had the traditional rejecting feeling yet, when I become intolerant to a food I start to feel like my intestines are  burning, I haven't felt that yet, just that feeling of my intestines feeling stuck and it gets better with honey. So what's best, doing a rotation which will limit fresh with more frozen food and also cut honey even though I feel better on it? I'll do whatever I need to make it right, just not sure what right might be.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: van on February 28, 2014, 05:39:25 am
First suet is very hard to digest for many here, myself included.  I don't even consider trying to eat it.  Try back fat, tender soft, buttery..   I'd rather see you eat snacks between meals of protein of rice, potatoes, or other starchy foods with butter rather than getting considerable calories from honey.  You still haven't informed us as to how much honey you're eating in a day?   It may 'sooth' your insides in the moment, but I gotta believe that day in and out, constant loading up with honey is bound to cause havoc. 
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on February 28, 2014, 05:53:41 am
I'm having 3  tablespoon 3 times a day with meal and an extra 2-5 during the day.  What kind of havoc? And do you think it could make me more tired? I'm sure you will say yes so please explain :)
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: van on February 28, 2014, 07:56:54 am
May I suggest you learn about swings in blood sugar/insulin and the associated results.   The literature is accumulating daily.  Way to much to try to regurgitate for you here.  I truly believe you'll be glad you took the time.  That's a lot of honey.   Maybe if you thought of it instead as white sugar, you might intuitively understand?   Either way, the science is there should you be interested.   I often refer people to Dr. Ron Rosedale.  He has much easily understood information regarding the topic. 
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on February 28, 2014, 08:10:20 am
Well I decided to cut honey for good at least for a couple of days, I think it makes me much hungrier then I should be, I also wanna see if it can help with energy. Too bad I'll just get terrible clogged organs though but, lethargy, hunger and constant headache outweigh my digestive pain atm. I wonder if a few grams of vegetable would screw up my attempt to regulate hunger.

I'm considering trying some marshmallow root to see if it can ease the spasms.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: eveheart on February 28, 2014, 08:14:54 am
...just that feeling of my intestines feeling stuck and it gets better with honey. So what's best, doing a rotation which will limit fresh with more frozen food and also cut honey even though I feel better on it? I'll do whatever I need to make it right, just not sure what right might be.

You present quite a mystery here. That is quite a bit of honey to eat in one day, so I wonder what is in your gut that kicks up until it gets its honey?

Also, I take it that you have had medical tests. What did they find? What caused you to lose 35 pounds? Have you had complete tests for diabetes, including blood sugar tests under a glucose load? You can post test results here or in your journal.

Also, you mentioned CFS - I take it that's chronic fatigue syndrome - here for the first time. IMO, that term is more effective as a description than as a road to healing. Perhaps you want to heal those gut problems first and get that constipation under complete control by any reasonable means. There are threads on this forum that you can search for some ideas.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on February 28, 2014, 08:22:49 am
They never figured out anything wrong with me, they just told me it looks like I'm IBS-C and that's it, offered me pain suppressant drugs. I seen over 6 doctor 2 gastroenteroligst, 1 nutritionist, had so many tests done and nothing came out.

I already incubated myself with 40 hookworms 3 weeks ago, I'm also having a fecal transplant this weekend and I tried every diets under the sun and I'm on raw paleo now. The only thing I haven't done yet for constipation is resistant starch powder. I was tested for fasting glucose here are the test results:

Fasting glucose: 4,6mmol/L
Glucose 30 minutes later: 5,5 mmol/L
Glucose 1 hour later: 4,3 mmol/L
Glucose 2hour later 4,3 mmol/L

If raw paleo, helminthic therapy and FMT fails I officially have no hope left. Every day is just more difficult then the last, more fatigue more headache, less energy reserves, if any.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: eveheart on February 28, 2014, 09:47:21 am
They never figured out anything wrong with me, they just told me it looks like I'm IBS-C and that's it, offered me pain suppressant drugs....

If raw paleo, helminthic therapy and FMT fails I officially have no hope left.

None of these therapies are quick fixes, so hang in there and stick with whatever gives you hope and small improvements.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: cherimoya_kid on February 28, 2014, 12:07:23 pm
Vitamin D helps me sleep. I use the Now brand vitamin D.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: jessica on February 28, 2014, 10:01:53 pm
honey probably helps your guts because you are having hydration issues and carbohydrates can be hydrating because they make your body hold onto water. 

you might want to think about soaking some dates in water and drinking that as an alternative, plus it contains magnesium and potassium which might help your intestinal and headache issues. 

over that I would suggest upping your fats when you get a change, ground beef is very chincy on fats.  if you are skinny you need tons of fats and proteins and some carbs to help them stick to your bones.

I think honey is fine in small amounts, and beneficial if unprocessed. I think you have to find what other carbs work for you.  for me I know that how my body processes carbs has everything to do with intuition, season, etc, you have to find what works for you and drop all dogma.  the goal is to feel better not to adhere to super strick rules, of course there should be guidelines in place like no processed foods, but if, for the time being, it is btter for you to digest warm or cooked foods that stay within the paleo category know that you may still be able to find healing

really encouraging you to try bone marrow, egg yolks(have you tried just the yolks?!), sourcing some fatty fish like mackerel, getting some backfat and suet.  also raw dairy or even just pasturized grass fed butter if that's all you have sources for

try eating these things with a little sea salt or seaweed, chewing on some celery, making a broth with zucchinis and drinking the juice, chewing on a small bit of bitter greens before you eat....etc.  something to get your digestion going.  I would also suggest dry aging your meat as it will make it easier to digest.

I would encourage you to consider sauna and self massage, stretching, and MAKING yourself just go outside during the day.  you don't even have to go far...once around the block and then lay down if you need to and do deep breathing.  if you have no activity, don't interact with the sunslight(like cherimoya mentioned, vit D is great to induce restful sleeps) and don't get out in nature during the day you will probably continue to find it hard to gather energy....even if you can find a place close to lay on the ground during the day, somewhere outside, under a tree in a park perhaps?  go there!  go where there is running water and sit near that as well.

some herbs that might help activate deep sleeps (do you dream?) include skull cap and lemon balm

cabbage juice is great for healing the intestines. 

Kelps provide healing healing and protection for the intestines, it creates its own mucilage that should be more helpful/easier to digest then fiber, as well as plenty of trace nutrients and iodine.

if your digestion is extremely compromised I would also suggest taking a probiotic, I suggest garden of life "primal defense" which contains many strains including microorganisms that are found in healthy soil. 

I would also suggest taking a supplement, FOR THE TIME BEING, not forever, but new chapter makes really good multivitamins that are food based that also include enzymes and probiotics.  no need to megadose but worth a shot to see how they make you feel.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on March 01, 2014, 01:29:35 am
Thanks Jessica for the input, I really wanna do egg yolk but I just always end up eating the whole egg because I don't want to waste the white part. If cabbage juice is really good I presume fermented cabbage is really good too? That's my only source of veggie atm. I love dates but any sweet makes me insanely addicted, I feel hungrier the more I eat them. It's really cold out there, 7F atm, I was thinking of using my twinlab cod liver oil again for the vitamin D until it gets warmer, but I was doubting the effects since it's likely heated and processed unlike the fermented brand.

I do have some skull cap, schisandra and valerian root, I'm concerned that because they are supplement they aren't raw and thus doing more bad then good? lol, yeah I' having a toxin phobia I guess. I don't have access to raw butter or grass <-fed but I made my own ghee from grain fed cows, it taste amazing but too much and I get very thirsty and don't feel that it contribute to my healing.

Regarding probiotics, I was gonna consider RAW Probiotics Ultimate Care by Gardan of life, it contain I believe all the strains in the other one you mentioned minus the one strain that is soil based. I tried SBO probiotics and they seem to just make me gassy and more constipated, maybe they help in other way but I haven't tried long term as constipation is a major issue for me.

Regarding multivitamin I tried a few, seems to give me energy as well as making me pee green for the whole day...not sure if doing more harm then good though.

Oh and I make amazing dreams, I feel in even when I sleep, then when I wake up it's hell again, I made vivid and lucid dream regularly, I had an amazing lucid dream last night.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Inger on March 01, 2014, 02:37:05 am
Yeah I have a wifi in my room and been thinking maybe it could cause problem, I definitively didn't have as much headache as before it got installed. I disabled it and put my cell phone as far away as possible, will see if that helps.
I don't feel dehydrated though.

And I live 40mins away from Montreal, the actual place to get all the good stuff are IN Montreal, where I am not. My only transportation methods are my parents

Sorentus you can go with your parents to Montreal every second week? And stock up on meat/fish and fat?

You need to shut of the wifi whenever you can Sorentus. At least in the night. Please consider this. Close your cellphone at least in the night or use on airplane modus.  I shut mine off every evening at 8 PM. If you leave it on it will still emit signals all the time!

Do you have a smart meter on your house?

Everyone wants to have.. 3 G... 4 G.. fiber optic... etc. everywhere. Super fast internet connections. Almost no one thinks about how it will hurt us. It is scary. Because all this radiation is totally unnatural and only increases and increases every year  -[

To minimize damage,
take care to stay hydrated with great water (springwater or RO, or own well) Drink a lot! Ice cold water is more hydrating and energizing.

Eat high fat.

Ground as much as you can. Get out in the wild. Go for a walk. Stay in the nature. Very healing. In summer tan as much as you can, preferably nude. Swim in rivers, lakes, in the ocean. The best grounding you can get!

Sleep on first floor or in the basement. Or. Buy a magnetico mattress 10 or 20 gauss if you can afford. Especially if you live on second floor or higher. Living far above the earth takes you out of its protective space, we are not made to stay far above the earth most of the time (!) or we would be birds! lol
I have a 10 gauss mattress and I LOVE it.

Try to not have it too warm in your room. Helps hydration when it is cooler.

Go early to bed, sleep enough, as much as you need. No blue lights in your eyes after sunset. Use blueblocker glasses if needed. You can read in candle light  :)

Too much protein is no good if you live in high EMF environment! Try to up your fat instead. I eat fairly high protein and do great on it but I very much limit my EMF too and live outside the city....




Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on March 01, 2014, 03:02:52 am
II shut off my wifi, I think it's doing some good, headache isn't as bad today but then again I slept 14hours lol. We do have a smart meter in our house, my room is in the basement and it couldn't be any further then it is to me.

I am definitively DYING for fat, I'm looking at my melted duck fat, "cold-pressed" coconut oil and ghee and rememberer that I can't have it because its not raw, can't wait to receive my suet which won't be until at least 2 weeks. I drink room temperature spring water because I was told it's easier for digestion then cool temperature.

I do want to take a walk but I feel so tired, who knows if walking wont actually make me feel better though, I have to do a long walk tomorrow anyway  to get my FMT and buy my fresh meat so I'll be fixed.

I leave the temperature around 21C in my room, I'm freezing all the time.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Inger on March 01, 2014, 03:14:54 am
Sorentus walking in the forest will make you feel better, 100%. That is what you need to do. Stay in the nature as much as you can.

Great that you sleep in the basement  :) very good!

I have in between 15 to 20 degree C in my apartment and I do not freeze  ;) maybe you need to do some cold thermogenesis exercise  ;) start with ultra short cold showers  :) or dunk your face in cold water every morning  :) you will slowly get warmer and warmer. I used to freeze all the time too, the worst it was eating much fruit, I was cold all the time!

If it was me.. I would prefer cooked fat over raw carbohydrates/sugar. Seriously. It is still more natural for us living in colder climates. Fruits are very unnatural now. In summer with lots of sunshine it is a different thing.. but even then tropical or cultivated fruit is not good for me.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Inger on March 01, 2014, 03:17:17 am
And Sorentus... when you do your long walks, take a look up in the heaven. Let the light into your eyes (no glasses on). It will help. At least a few minutes every day when sun is up, even if cloudy and rainy. I do this every day.  :)
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: jessica on March 01, 2014, 05:19:39 am
your dreams, are they always amazing ? are they super visceral, like do you feel things touching you? do you have nightmares?  do you have money to get a blood minerals and vitamins test? sorry if these questions seem weird.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on March 01, 2014, 06:11:36 am
They tested me for just so many things, B12,Iron,STD, Celiac Disease, IBD and IBD again and IBD AGAIN, all negative.
I get nightmares but not so often, I don't know if my dream are "visceral" they usually reflect my past, what I've lost and the dreams that I no longer can pursue, stuff that my spirit die for but my physical body cannot do. When I get lucid dream it can last for what feels like an entire hour or just a few minutes. Once I could even feel that I was partially awake while still in my lucid dream. Despite feeling sad when I wake up that my dreams are gone, they usually feel amazing yes, I really wish i could be in a permanent sleep state. No matter how bad my headaches, they are completely gone for the time being that I sleep, only to come back shortly after I wake up.

Most of my money has been wasted on useless supplements, now I try to keep the tiny left that I have for food. Oh and I did go for a walk earlier, I'll make this a daily habit.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: jessica on March 03, 2014, 08:41:51 am
just the b vitamins or a whole vitamin and mineral panel?
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: jessica on March 03, 2014, 10:19:31 pm
I only ask this because the dreams, headaches, tiredness/lethargy and the fact that you might have limited physical exercise makes me think you are the best candidate for loading up on minerals and water and doing lots of sauna to restore the proper cellular balance because at the one of the smaller levels energy is made by this balance but you need enough of the prper minerals to play.

that's definitely why I encourage seaweeds, green drinks with only certain veggies and herbs, teas, broths and supplements(vitamin, mineral, probiotic) etc. especially to those with compromised digestion.  like inger said lightly cooked fats can be more healing then fruits/raw carbs, especially if you have issues with over consuming sweets, candida, etc....although I don't think carbs should be totally excluded for long periods of time, especially for healing, but sometimes short periods, coupled with rest and self care (lymph massage, sauna, deep breathing, MUCH time in nature and sunshine, even small changes in lifestyle, habits, examining emotions without judgement etc....)
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: goodsamaritan on March 03, 2014, 11:28:26 pm
I started developing chronic headache that got more and more frequent as time went by, now barely a day goes by without having an headache. I been using melatonin for years now to help me sleep as I have a very hard time sleeping but it give me an headache most of the time when I take it now, even as low as 0.1 mg. So I decided to cut melatonin for good and see if it help headaches.

As anyone else struggled with this? CFS/Chronic Headache started after my digestive issue and I find CFS/Headache much more impairing now then all those digestive problem, today I'm doing very good digestion wise but my headache feels like a migraine. For some reason whenever my digestion is at bay, my headaches go crazy, it's like I can't be free of headache and without digestive upset at the same time, it's one or the other or both. Any thoughts on what could be done or why it's happening?

My first aid for that is quantumin minerals plus.  Maybe there is an equivalent in your country.  Wipe on forehead, temples, scalp, spine.  Energy and minerals type of medicine.

If it is a circulation issue, cayenne tincture, or just cayenne, make tea 3x a day.  Tincture best.

See an acupuncturist and a chiropractor.

Im with Van, just eating ground beef and honey is unacceptable.  You need vitamin variety.  Go out and eat many other things. 

Personally, i would only buy ground beef if i grind it in front of me.  Plus i dont like eating ground beef myself.

And honey everyday is asking for trouble.  Too much fructose.

Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on March 04, 2014, 01:15:06 am
just the b vitamins or a whole vitamin and mineral panel?

No it's Canada, so FREE health care, they only cheeked b12, folic acid, iron and 2 other stuff. I had to ask 4 different doctors before they decided to add vitamin D to the list.

I don't know what to do, my body react to the SLIGHTEST antinutriment or toxin in food. I don't have an autoimmune disease but it feels just like if, my immune system react to everything, so cooking gives me symptoms, I tried every food bit by bit, eating one particular food to see if I react and I would react every time. I only *tolerate* ground beef because there is no antinutriment in it but it still create HAVOC in my intestines, feeling clogged and having spasms of all kind ever since i went raw paleo. Except it doesn't feel like inflammation, like my intestines were burning  which is what I get when I'm intolerant to a food (put any food with an antinutriment or toxin in there).

I don't think I react to RAW beef, just that it's so incredibly hard to digest and on top of that atm I'm having EXTRA lean one because that's all the store had lol so it's even harder to digest. My options atm is to either try to eat anti nutriment contaminated food which I'll react to in order to "blndlessly" hope that I eat the missing nutriments or eat grain fed duck fat or ghee, until I get access to my suet which HOPEFULLY i can digest without feeling like my intestines are about to crack open. Or go back to a synthetic fed formula.

Edit: Well I had some grain-fed melted duck fat hoping to help sooth things and not make me sick.

Edit2: yay 5mins after eating and SPASMS , cramps and here we go AGAIN, FML. I think I'll limit my food intake to half a pound of meat a day,  and just deal with starvation pain at this point. Starvation sucks but it's not as bad as getting intestinal spasms every seconds.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: goodsamaritan on March 04, 2014, 07:26:01 am
Have you cleansed your colon before? Castor oil? 30ml?
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: jessica on March 04, 2014, 08:06:10 am
starving shouldn't really be an option because it has some irreversible consequences.  you never said how much honey you were eating but you did say it helped you digest.  does it have other negative effects for you that you are trying to avoid?
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on March 04, 2014, 08:28:20 am
starving shouldn't really be an option because it has some irreversible consequences.  you never said how much honey you were eating but you did say it helped you digest.  does it have other negative effects for you that you are trying to avoid?

I get no negative effects from honey, unless i consume way too much in one setting. So aside from "HONEY IS EVIL DON'T EVER EAT IT" I feel good. Btw i said i was having 3 tbp 3x a day with meal and avg 2-5 without meal but so far today i only had 4 or 5. I lowered to 2 tbp with one meal and i skipped it entirely for my other meal. Brady was having up to 1 LB  day and did much better that way then  when he tried ZC.

Btw I'm never eating duck fat ever again, it has been 5hours now and i still feel the duck fat in my stomach, making me nauseous, sick and belching and burp taste like dick. I don't even think its because it was melted or grain fed, I had over 5 tbp of ghee before and never felt ill like i do with duck fat.

I feel like fat in its pure form makes me sick, I wish they would sell EXTRA fatty grass fed meal anywhere in my area. What other animal source of stuff has good fat? Seafood is easier to digest but its all proteins. Please don't tell me to eat bee brood, I don't have a car to travel miles and miles to find a honey harvester :P

lol I wish I could have access to a real animal and I would eat its intestines, organs(brain,adrenal,kidney,livers) and fat all but the meat, seems like what I really need to heal.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: jessica on March 04, 2014, 10:28:12 pm
yeah I thought you might have been scared off by others comments on honey.  its just there is such a balance to strike and many times when we are grasping at any thing that might be healing we tend to shift the paradigm too much in one direction, overwhelm our bodies and then shift to something completely different. 

its definitely good to be mindful of blood sugar and such when you are eating something like honey because high blood sugar can give effects that are extremely dangerous.  1 pound a day sounds excessive, what you are eating does not.

the only reason i mentioned soaked raw dates was not to say those were better or worse, i was just thinking they have a different mineral profile (lots of potassium and magnesium, good for hydration and the bowels) that might be beneficial and it might not be something you react negatively too, although you did then express that you had issues with over eating dates, so don't eat dates(unless you want to try them soaked, they may be just as horrible tho! up to you)

I wanted to reiterate that if you are starving its can definitely not just be for calories.  I was starving at one point and could NOT get my body to hold onto anything, iw as also overworking and over exercising so my cortisol was skkkyy high.  I would eat and eat and my blood sugar would go on rollercoaster rides.  i was definitely more starved for sleep and rest but what i noticed was the irreversible damage came where my body was starved for MINERALS. my last back molars(i don't have my wisdom teeth) actually started to deteriorate pretty quickly  and my hips and joints were in a lot of pain, i may have actually lost some bone mass:(  so its interesting that while i may have been hungry for fat and sugars, i really needed to be aware of my mineral and vitamin intake.  what helped me was raw whey and butter, yogurt and egg yolks.  i know its hard for you to source these things and that's why i think supplements that contain the same minerals and vitamins are so important.  i do think you can waste a lot of money on such things, but i know some are legit.  i worked at health food stores large and small for many years, its true that most of those supps are useless and expensive, but some better then others and do have good effect.

also have you looked to see if there are any Weston A Price foundation or Paleo health groups around your area?  Those are great to use as resources for better food supply.  Also farmers markets to source farms and ranches that sell good meats, you can generally contact them in the off season and they have stuff for sale.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Sorentus on March 04, 2014, 11:59:44 pm
Well I tried duck egg yolk, didnt feel good from eating them so I'm definitively laying off eggs for now. The only mineral I see myself potential lacking is calcium, every other mineral I should get from the meat, I take a lot of magnesium citrate for bowel movements because after 2 weeks on this diet I still absolutely CAN NOT go, even with probiotics,water and honey and i even tried to add resistant starch and I got my first FMT, still cannot go unless I use magnesium.

I don't wanna do dairy though, I tried a 2 week elemental diet with whey protein powder any fillers and although I felt amazing for the first 10 days I started becoming intolerant to the whey up to the point my intestine felt like they were burned. Yogurt seems to give me the same feeling, not it wasn't raw or grass-fed but I doubt that matter.

Btw I'm not even hungry for honey as I'm hungry for FOOD, I'll rather have a big chunk of meat then just honey but it's just so IMPOSSIBLE to digest. Not sure what I'll do for now, might try a synthetic vitamin pill see if it gives me energy and I'll likely buy some suet and frozen ground beef, liver and heart. It's the best I have access to atm. I'm probably gonna wanna introduce some soaked dates too, fruits don't seem to inflame me but they do make me bloated if I eat them.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: nummi on March 05, 2014, 12:10:27 am
10 grams of egg shell has about 900% "daily need" of calcium, and about 60% magnesium. an easy source of calcium, make sure it is cleaned well before consumption and best if it is as well ground/powdered.
Title: Re: Chronic headaches
Post by: Pammie on April 08, 2014, 03:23:27 am
Do you take calcium supplements?  I have noticed lately that when I take these supplements I get the worst migraines ever.