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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: razmatazz on January 31, 2010, 03:38:41 am
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so today, i got food poisoning for the 4th or 5th time since this time last year. The symptoms are always the same - i wake up in the morning with a sharp pain on my right or left abdomen, extending round to my lower back. I may also have horrible pains in my lower abdomen area, which is constant (doesn't come and go). Also, vomiting if i eat or drink anything. The only thing i do is sit or sleep with a hot water bottle held to the area, this is the only thing which seems to help with the symptoms.
I don't get why this keeps happening to me. The meat i eat is frozen 2 weeks usually, as im too paranoid about parasites (is frozen when fresh). Sometimes the meat is aged a bit - for instance yesterday i ate meat that i';d thawed 2 or 3 days before, as well as raw suet.
This never used to happen when i ate a mixed cooked diet, and my family is getting really worried. They accepted my dietary choices but my mum has told me to rethink this. I am the only one in the family who ever gets sick like this. and the only difference is our diet. I really don't know what to do. I cant be missing class every now and again because of this, and it is EXTREMELY unpleasant. If eating this way is making me feel this way, i really do need to rethink what i am doing.
any tips/advice?
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At the beginning of my journal, I suffered from food poisoning too.
You`ve the same problem as I did: frozen meat. It should be eaten immediately after thawing, if at all.
Give a try for fresh meat and forget those parasite things.
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I've made high-meats form thawed meat and never had a problem.
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Your symptoms don't sound like food poisoning to me. First you say that on most occasions the pain starts suddenly on one side or the other of the lower abdomen. You then state that the pain commonly involves the lower back (probably on the side where the pain started). Finally you say that the pain is intense and unrelenting, and that you are nauseous and vomit if you eat or drink anything, and I suspect that if you haven't had anything to eat or drink you have the dry heaves.
From someone who has recently experienced the exact same symptoms, I can say without hesitation that you are probably suffering from renal calculus (kidney stones). Wonderful aren't they!?! Based on your description and the relatively short duration of your symptoms, I'd say your stones are fairly small - probably less than 3mm. My first attack lasted 4 days and my stone was 3.2mm.
There seems to be some evidence that a zero carb diet (or at least a deep ketogenic diet) encourages formation of kidney stones at a rate significantly above what would be expected in the normal population. My own research seems to point to a deep ketogenic diet (ZC) coupled with reduced water intake as being at the heart of the problem. Are you drinking lots of water? - at least 3 quarts or liters per day.
Lex
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There seems to be some evidence that a zero carb diet (or at least a deep ketogenic diet) encourages formation of kidney stones at a rate significantly above what would be expected in the normal population.
:( We were all hoping that RZC would shrink the stones, so that they would start to pass out, and/or even get smaller.
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There seems to be some evidence that a zero carb diet (or at least a deep ketogenic diet) encourages formation of kidney stones at a rate significantly above what would be expected in the normal population.
Forgive my ignorance, Lex...I don't read or post much on ZC forums, so I'm just going to ask you...do other ZCers besides you have kidney stones? I honestly have no idea.
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Does not sound like food poisoning to me. I would expect diarrhea too.
Maybe the stones, maybe intestinal inflammation, colon blockages?
When I had intestinal inflammation fully cooked fatty pork helped. I don't know why, but it did.
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thats interesting lex...i do pretty much eat ZC, and don't really drink alot of water.. I will try and see a doctor in the next couple of days so i can get to the bottom of this. Also, I remember getting food poisoning from an oyster once (that time there was diarrheoa as well) and the symptoms were not as bad...i wasn't in agony. Although sometimes i get muscular aches in the arms and legs as well, and i don't know how to explain that..
This morning i woke up feeling much better, except for a tight feeling in my stomach (once the symptoms lasted one week, but usually they last between 1 and 3 days..)
What would you suggest i do in order to prevent this happening again? More carbs? I am considering adding carbs in the form of white cooked rice, mainly because i don't want a whole load of fructose from fruit and veg, and also because fiber doesn't agree with me..
It's weird because this week, in the days before i got this "attack" i'd been eating more carbs than usual - about 50g a day inthe 2 days preceding it (in the form of white rice)..at first i thought maybe the rice actually caused it, but it seems pretty unlikely.
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I am considering adding carbs in the form of white cooked rice, mainly because i don't want a whole load of fructose from fruit and veg, and also because fiber doesn't agree with me..
white rice is very bad idea. why don't you do instead brown rice! fruits and veggies are better than rice and they're more paleo. the fructose from fruits are not bad and you can have sometimes diluted green leaf juice for calcium. fivers are not good and never good.
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white rice is very bad idea. why don't you do instead brown rice! fruits and veggies are better than rice and they're more paleo. the fructose from fruits are not bad and you can have sometimes diluted green leaf juice for calcium. fivers are not good and never good.
Not necessarily, as brown rice has oil which can and does go rancid - I once sniffed all the bulk rice in a health food store, and all of it was rancid, and it has phytates as well, which are nutrient blockers.
Hard to find paleolithic fruit or veg outside the tropics, maybe there are some low in fructose though.
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maybe try wild rice instead?
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Forgive my ignorance, Lex...I don't read or post much on ZC forums, so I'm just going to ask you...do other ZCers besides you have kidney stones? I honestly have no idea.
I've followed the zc boards quite a bit and can't recall anyone else having stones.
I just searched pubmed and there seem to be some studies confirming kidney stones in children while on ketogenic diets. Here are some relevant studies
Empiric use of potassium citrate reduces kidney-stone incidence with the ketogenic diet.
"Kidney stones are an adverse event with the ketogenic diet (KD), occurring in approximately 6% of children who are started on this therapy for intractable epilepsy"...
"CONCLUSIONS: Oral potassium citrate is an effective preventive supplement against kidney stones in children who receive the KD, achieving its goal of urine alkalinization. Universal supplementation is warranted"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19596731?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17621514?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=2
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12366731?itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&ordinalpos=5
All the studies I found in my 3 minutes of searching focus on specifically children on ketogenic diets with epilepsy.
Obviously, their ketogenic diets would be night and day to what a raw paleo would prescribe but at least the studies are ther.
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What would you suggest i do in order to prevent this happening again? More carbs? I am considering adding carbs in the form of white cooked rice, mainly because i don't want a whole load of fructose from fruit and veg, and also because fiber doesn't agree with me..
First I would suggest that next time you have one of these attacks you go to an emergency room and have a CT scan or an X-ray to confirm that kidney stones are truly the problem. If they won't do that, at least ask them to do a dip test on your urine to see if blood is present. If it is, even if there isn't enough for you to see it, it points to a moving stone causing internal bleeding as it scrapes its way along the ureters. This at least will support the kidney stone diagnosis and rule out colon blockage, diverticulitis, pancreatitis, gall bladder, and other issues not related to the urinary tract.
I actually purchased the urine test sticks to use at home. They are 'Multistix 10 SG' made by Bayer. They are expensive, but they will test for ketones, blood, protein, specific gravity, pH, and several other things. They will also test for Leukocytes so you can tell if you have a urinary tract infection as well. Just do a Google search on Multistix 10 SG and you should be able to find a source for them.
I wish I could tell you what to do as I'm suffering from the same problem. If you find out anything conclusive please let us know as many will benefit. My father suffered from Kidney Stones as does my son-in-law and a couple of friends. In all cases the only common denominator seems to be reduced fluid intake. So far I've upped my fluid intake from 1-2 litres per day to 3-4 litres per day. Only time will tell if this solves the problem.
Lex
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thanks for the reply lex. Actually, the last time this happened,i saw a doctor, and he took a urine sample. Apparently it was cloudy and there was a little blood in it, so he diagnosed a UTI, and prescribed me antibiotics (however i didnt believe i had a UTI as i didnt have any of the other symptoms eg pain when urinating etc, so i never took the antibiotics, and just recovered naturally). He sent the urine off to get properly tested, but i never found out the results...
I'm going to make an appointment for this week, and hopefully get the results of that test, will post here when i find out.
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Blood in the urine supports kidney stones but you would need a CT scan or X-ray to confirm. Leukocytes are usually the harbinger of a UTI but blood can be present as well. Leukocytes can also be present with kidney stones but in this case the infection is caused by the bleeding that the stone is causing rather than the infection causing the bleeding.
Leukocytes high, possible blood present but not always, a feeling of urgency and some stinging type pain with urination, usually w/fever and chills - probably UTI
Blood present, possible leukocytes but not always, intense pain on lower left or right side of abdomen often radiating to back and lasting hours or days, vomiting or dry heaves, little or no fever - probably kidney stone
I've had both so know the symptoms pretty well. My guess from your description is that you are experiencing kidney stones. If my doctor prescribed antibiotics I'd ask if there is positive indication that infection exists (example Leukocytes present in urine). IF so then take the meds as you could loose a kidney to infection if it gets out of hand. If he just says its a preventative measure, then I'd be more comfortable not taking them until the tests are more conclusive. Up to you.
Lex
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The first thing I thought when I read the symptoms was kidney stones with UTIs or perhaps just UTIs. Those symptoms are similar to what I experienced years ago when I had both from what in retrospect seemed to be mainly gluten and carb intolerance plus the effects of phytic acid.
I've been able to increase my water intake some as I eat more fat (this adds a touch of ketone sweetness to the water) and as I think I get more used to consuming water (not sure what's at work behind that, though). Have you experienced either of these things, Lex?
As I've mentioned before, magnesium kept coming up as another effective preventative, in addition to water (especially magnesium-rich mineral water), in my own research on kidney stones. Some Inuit who basically ate facultatively carnivorous diets were found to have unusually high levels of magnesium in their body fluids, in addition to their habit of drinking loads of water.
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I've been able to increase my water intake some as I eat more fat (this adds a touch of ketone sweetness to the water) and as I think I get more used to consuming water (not sure what's at work behind that, though).
Do you mean water tastes sweeter when your ketones are up? Humans tend to like the taste of sweet. If RZC makes water taste sweet, I think that may mean that more water SHOULD be drank when we're on such a diet. (or at least while the water tastes sweet). I could be wrong. I still have not tried 0carb. I'm sure you learn a lot more by doing it.
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Do you mean water tastes sweeter when your ketones are up?
Yes, that has been my experience as well.
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Yes, the sweetness of water on a high animal-fat diet due to some ketone spillage into the saliva, and presumably knowledge passed down the generations to avoid illness, are so far the explanations I can think of for the high consumption of water by Inuit. There may be other reasons as well. It's total speculation on my part, but I'm guessing that eating enough fat to produce a small amount of ketones so that water is slightly sweet may be an optimal level for someone on a VLC, ZC or carnivore diet, so as to encourage the right amount of water consumption. This could be a temporary effect, though, as over time it takes increasing amounts of fat to produce a very slightly sweet taste in my saliva and water, whereas early on less fat produced a very strong sweet taste.
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When I was a teenager I suffered from kidney stones a lot. The biggest one I had was 18mm and I had to have it removed via surgery. not fun. Since I went 100% paleo I haven't had a single stone. I'm not zero carb but a lot of the research I did links rice and kidney stones. More kidney stones are reported in china every year then the rest of the world combine. :P
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I've been able to increase my water intake some as I eat more fat (this adds a touch of ketone sweetness to the water) and as I think I get more used to consuming water (not sure what's at work behind that, though). Have you experienced either of these things, Lex?
Can't say that I've noticed either effect, but then I'm not particularly sensitive to stuff like this. Now if you gave me a candy bar or a soft drink I'd probably notice the sweetness. I'm amazed when people drink something like wine and comment on the rich full body with complex overtones of lavender and a hint of cinnamon. To me it all tastes like spoiled grape juice and is scarcely distinguishable from cheap vinegar.
Lex
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... wine and comment on the rich full body with complex overtones of lavender and a hint of cinnamon. To me it all tastes like spoiled grape juice and is scarcely distinguishable from cheap vinegar.
I'm fine with a little bit of raw carbs, but bottled grape juice, apple juice, wine any variety etc or any other liquors taste disgusting. It's great we have a choice though. When I was a kid, at least grape juice was better than orange juice or milk. I didn't have the opportunity to know other diets existed (except the school lunch room om bologna and 'sponge' pizza). We are blessed to have all this knowledge here on this forum, everyone sharing.
When starting primal diet eating cultured butter, cultured cream, raw meat, celery juice, etc, after a (raw) egg, water tasted sweet. Anything tasted sweet and lemons tasted sweet anytime. It was good, as I disliked the taste of water before that.
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Yes, that has been my experience as well.
And mine. :)
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Yes, the sweetness of water on a high animal-fat diet due to some ketone spillage into the saliva, and presumably knowledge passed down the generations to avoid illness, are so far the explanations I can think of for the high consumption of water by Inuit. There may be other reasons as well. It's total speculation on my part, but I'm guessing that eating enough fat to produce a small amount of ketones so that water is slightly sweet may be an optimal level for someone on a VLC, ZC or carnivore diet, so as to encourage the right amount of water consumption. This could be a temporary effect, though, as over time it takes increasing amounts of fat to produce a very slightly sweet taste in my saliva and water, whereas early on less fat produced a very strong sweet taste.
Well I always have this sweet taste in my mouth and I notice it a lot - not just when I drink water! I thought it was the body making carbs (carbs...sweet) and I tend to feel guilty - that I don't need to eat if my whole system is so sweet. I hope we are doing the right thing...I mean I get to believe the whole time that this is not healthy - not a balanced diet; no fiber (my Dad).
Nicola
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I recently began to have a nasty sweet aftertaste in the back of the mouth after drinking my organic Colombian coffee, also from the Maubesse (Timor). Tried a (proven safe) commercial coffee, there's less of that taste.
I like the idea that the taste is caused by ketone bodies, but have no idea why coffee should do this, or what it means.
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I mean I get to believe the whole time that this is not healthy - not a balanced diet; no fiber (my Dad).
You're not a little girl now, you are a sensitive and intelligent woman. I'm sure he wants the best for you. No disrespect to him. You are very probably in a better position to know what foods are working and don't work for you.
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I recently began to have a nasty sweet aftertaste in the back of the mouth after drinking my organic Colombian coffee, also from the Maubesse (Timor). Tried a (proven safe) commercial coffee, there's less of that taste.
It lasts for hours.
I like the idea that the taste is caused by ketone bodies, but have no idea why coffee should do this, or what it means.
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I recently began to have a nasty sweet aftertaste in the back of the mouth after drinking my organic Colombian coffee, also from the Maubesse (Timor). Tried a (proven safe) commercial coffee, there's less of that taste.
I like the idea that the taste is caused by ketone bodies, but have no idea why coffee should do this, or what it means.
Yes, coffee tastes sweet to me now also. It used to taste bitter to me before I changed to carnivore. I think it's the combination of not being used to sugars and carbs plus some ketones.
Nicola, you could show your father the video "Fiber Menace" that is on this forum somewhere.
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Nicola, you could show your father the video "Fiber Menace" that is on this forum somewhere.
Nicola's father isn't the problem. From her posts it's clear even she isn't convinced that RPD is a healthy way of eating.
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She has healthy doubts. I think that's fine.
I'm ready to change any time when the need arises.
So far omnivore meat + hydrating fruit is working great for me.
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Hey GS what do you classify as a hydrating fruit? just water content?
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She has healthy doubts. I think that's fine.
I'm ready to change any time when the need arises.
So far omnivore meat + hydrating fruit is working great for me.
I agree. It's ridiculous, childish and pretty pretentious to claim that one of us has found out the optimal ideal diet just because it seems to work and improve our heath after a few months or even years on it.
Things are much much much more complex, unfortunately.
So far raw omnivore fatty meat+ fish+ shellfish+ eggs + fruit + leafy veggies is working great for me too. Yet I would certainly not claim that this is the only healthy diet for homo sapiens....
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Nicola's father isn't the problem. From her posts it's clear even she isn't convinced that RPD is a healthy way of eating.
I need to have doubts; we always need to question life!
My father would never read a book on diet - he knows it all better and can live with it; most people can - my brother eats what he thinks is food, does his job (his got a good job) in the way he feels is ideal...they don't have an ED - that's only for people fishing around in the internet.
So let's be correct - we are all looking for peace of mind!
I have to learn to deal with my own thoughts - is raw paleo the answer? If I ask my father or brother; NO!
Nicola
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Just posting an update, went to the doc (different doc from the last one who diagnosed a UTI) and explained all my symptoms, he said it could be kidney stones (you were right lex!). I've got a blood test and urine test next week, and getting an ultrasound scan. Still have to get the blood results from the other doc from the last time this happened.
Hopefully i will get to the bottom of this soon...my symptoms have eased alot, i can get by with day to day life though there is still dull pain on my left and back, and my stomach keeps making gurgling sounds, so still not 100% back on my feet :(. Eating seems to help a bit now as well (whereas before it seemed to worsen it). I've just been eating raw lamb chops and a bit of cooked vegetables (eg mushrooms and butternut squash)
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I'm guessing that summer squash are less toxic than butternut squash, because summer squash can be eaten raw (though you can steam or saute them if you must).
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.... though there is still dull pain on my left and back, ...
Glad you went for a second opinion. The statement above leads me to suspect that you might have a kidney infection as well. Renal stones usually don't cause a dull ache unless you have a very large one (some get to the size of golf balls). If you lightly hit your lower back with your fist you will feel pain on the side where there is infection. My recommendation is not to fool around with this. If you have an infection then take antibiotics. A kidney infection, if it is not taken care of, could destroy the kidney.
Lex
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Hey GS what do you classify as a hydrating fruit? just water content?
If it feels hydrating and quenches thirst for long periods of time, it is hydrating:
- watermelons
- melons
- coconuts
- papayas
- avocados
When nothing else is available, I get cold water and squeeze calamansi / lemon in it and wait for a minute or two then drink.
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One thing I find difficult here is that lots of people seem to go raw paleo, before just going paleo, so they seem to attribute the +'s to rawpaleo, when the things they notice they'd get on cooked meat paleo too(ofc, rawpaleo, if done right probably has the potential to be much better than cooked but most people probably wouldn't notice the differences attributed to the meat being raw unless they'd already been for a while on cooked meat). So either they think 'You win some you lose some' and accept the rough with the smooth, losing their problems from grain/legume/dairy/salt intolerances and replacing them with others.. Or they think to go back to their SMD... One reason why it's hard for me to take info from here.
People can't think, and give me balanced answers/responses about things to do with rawpaleo/raw meat, when they only have the SMD to compare it to. They'll come up with all sorts of reasons in their head as to why they have the negative effects, because surely it must be good with the positives they've also experienced... This will cause a sort of defensiveness too.
I am quite confident that rawpaleo, probably almost all meat, with VLC is much better than to have cooked meat. However, if someone doesn't take the step of first going with cooked meat(unless they are 'lucky' enough to get it right straight away) then they will not be able to identify what is due to raw and what is due to more generally 'paleo'. Severe problems being caused from eating the wrong raw animal food, they won't take note of, since to them it's minor compared to what they had with the SMD.
One of the key principles of paleo anyway, is to only eat food which in its' natural state, could be eaten raw. A cashew(nut), for example, although 'fine'(on the face of things) to eat raw in abundance from a plastic packet, would be virtually impossible to obtain edibly, in its' natural state(therefore it should not be assumed that we are suitably adapted to handle all its' constituents). Conversely, meat, in its' most natural state would be perfectly edible raw. However, if there are less-natural methods of raising, 'extracting', carving, storing, delivering etc of the meat, it may not be safe to eat raw; therefore you'd cook it to allow for anything that could've gone wrong. The closer you are to eating an animal which has grown up and lived in an environment which it evolved naturally over a lengthy period of time to exist in, and would've been available to humans as prey, and the closer your methods of killing it and eating it are to how a 'wild-human' would've done it, the less likely anything could go wrong, and the less need there may be for compensatory measures(e.g. cooking).
Is cooking bad? I would say almost certainly, yes. Can some meat be worse to have raw than cooked? Even that I do not know. However, are there things that many raw-meat eaters here do, regards to their consumption of raw meat, which, if they'd first tried cooked, they'd realise weren't right. Probably yes.
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Hmmm..... Miles,
I did raw Paleo for 4 or so months first. (2008)
Then I experimented with cooked pork meat for a month.
I had to end my experiment because I felt bad and started having pimples.
So I returned to raw paleo.
Does this make sense?
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Miles,
I went lightly cooked paleo first, then meat only (cooked med rare as that is the way I used to like my meat) as an experiment after reading Steffannson's articles in Harper's linked at the Yahoo RVAF Group, and finally stopped cooking the meat just on the principle that it shouldn't be necessary from an evolutionary point of view.
The honest truth is, I believe that I got 95%+ of the health benefits just by converting from SAD (high in grains and dairy), to lightly cooked Paleo (eating mostly meat but also a salad every day and occasionally a piece of fruit). I now perfer my meat raw (or extra rare when it must be cooked as when eating out), so that is the way I will probably continue to eat it. I may add a small salad or a bit of fruit to my diet in the future as I don't think there is any magic in being totally ZC. I also don't think that there is a problem lightly cooking most foods as long as they are foods we evolved to eat. Eating inappropriate foods is our bigest problem. Get rid of those and you're likely to resolve a whole host of health issues. Eating most foods raw would just be adding a bit of icing to the cake (so to speak ;)) - probably not critical for most people, but the crowning glory for the purists among us.
The bottom line is that lightly cooked paleo seems to be no better or worse than raw paleo (or ZC for that matter). At least that has been my experience.
Lex
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if there are less-natural methods of raising, 'extracting', carving, storing, delivering etc of the meat, it may not be safe to eat raw; therefore you'd cook it to allow for anything that could've gone wrong.
There is a long list on this website of toxins created when meat is cooked; it's also said that nutrients are damaged by cooking so as to be less bio-available which might eventually cause deficiency disease. Cooking is no remedy.
However, I can imagine a subtle poison created by the new world order/evil creeps of your choice and added to meat which can only be neutralized by cooking.
Maybe this is why raw meat dried for only three hours tastes so much better than fresh.
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Maybe my fresh raw beef just killed at 12 midnight and eaten at 12 noon just tastes better than yours.... :D
I just had fresh market raw beef for lunch and it was deeelicious.
Seriously, it probably depends on the source, the way it was packed, the breed of the animal.
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I tried cooked palaeo before trying rawpalaeo, and it was an absolute disaster. It turned out that I had severe reactions to any cooked animal foods but not their raw equivalent. I suspect that for most people it's the same, that they find the raw component to be more important than the palaeo component. For example, a lot of people have reported quickly becoming fertile after years of infertility, simply by switching to raw dairy, one doesn't come across that kind of thing with cooked-palaeo to the same extent; conversely, while cooked-palaeodiets have beneficial effects on a few auto-immune diseases of the modern age, those effects are often quite limited in scope.
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Maybe my fresh raw beef just killed at 12 midnight and eaten at 12 noon just tastes better than yours.... :D
I just had fresh market raw beef for lunch and it was deeelicious.
Seriously, it probably depends on the source, the way it was packed, the breed of the animal.
I have not seen a description of what happens between farm and freezer, but there have been stories about "processing", both nuclear and chemical. Depends on the law where one lives.
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I spent a few weeks eating cooked paleo on my way to eating raw paleo. I did notice some of the benefits eating cooked paleo but I had a voracious appetite. Eating the meat raw I'll eat less than half the volume I needed to when it was cooked and I feel better for it (both lighter and healthier). This was enough to convince me that this is a healthier way for me to eat. Less impact on my digestion allows my body to heal as best it can.
FWIW I notice much the same difference in satiation between fresh raw meat/fat and previously frozen raw meat/fat. Something is damaged at the molecular level and if I want to gain the most I can from the food it needs to be fresh and raw. Fat is especially noticeable in this regard (some previously frozen fat is just nasty compared to the fresh equivalent).
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The symptoms are always the same - i wake up in the morning with a sharp pain on my right or left abdomen, extending round to my lower back.
Last night I woke up with nasty needle-like pain all around my stomach. I suffered for 2 hours and then puked my guts out until there was nothing left to puke.
The meat I ate (Slankers) was thawed in the morning and I ate it about 6h later. When I puked I saw chunks of meat pretty well chewed up but not well digested. I ate the same meat in the morning while it was still half frozen and did not have any issues with it.
Usually I digest meat pretty quick but this time my stomach did not like it all. I'm positive it was stomach related and not any kind of stones because stomach was growling pretty bad and pain slowly went away after I emptied my stomach.
I never had this before while eating raw meat.
So note to self - eat meat right away after it gets thawed or half-thawed.
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I did cooked Paleo for about 4 years, then VLC mostly-cooked Paleo and gradually moved to mostly-raw carnivore (just low-heating tallow to 130F now and sometimes eating the suet and marrow raw, trying to get more accustomed to it). My biggest benefits seemed to come from eliminating the following foods, roughly in order of importance, with the most important first:
gluten
carbs
dairy
legumes (soy, peanuts, etc.)
grain and legume fats
nightshades (peppers, tomatoes, etc.) and vegetables not edible raw
acidic foods
vegetables edible raw
seed and other plant fats
cooking and processing (canning, salting, preservatives, etc.)
nuts, seeds
berries
spring greens
I seem to get more benefit from raw than Lex but much less than Tyler, so between the three of us you get somewhat of a spectrum of experience. I would guess that not cooking adds another 6-10 percent health benefit for me. I don't get sick when I eat cooked meats/fish and I don't like the taste of raw more than lightly cooked except for ground red meat and I still prefer the taste of cooked fish to raw, but I notice that I don't get the same feeling of well being from cooked meats/fish/fat as I do from rare grassfed/wild. I also don't sleep quite as well or feel quite as perky and happy overall. It's not very scientific, but it's significant enough for me that it's very uplifting.
I also notice that I burp much more if I raise the heating temp on my tallow from 130 to 190 degrees Farenheit. At the Paleofood forum I think I told William, Tyler and everyone in general that I didn't see a need for me personally to eat raw, though I was openminded about it, but I eventually tried it and found that it did provide me with significant benefits.
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Food poisoning symptoms include vomiting right? as well as lose bowel movement well these are the symptoms my sister had when she had experienced food poison.