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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Off Topic => Topic started by: Duke on May 28, 2012, 01:34:08 am
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Freelee's brother jumped ship.
This is taken from his FB while fending some angry vegan girls. Poor freelee she was so proud of him :-( :
"Who said I didnt try to understand my deficiencies? I love it when people jump to conclusions without all the info.. filling the blank spaces to justify releasing their own frustrations of the world under the careful guise of compassion.
And YES my own health does come before the animals I eat.. It took me a while to remember that but nature created me with the ability to make my own decisions and to evolve to be more powerful and resourceful than any other animal, hence allowing humans to kill and eat them. Nature is not always a thing of beauty.. animals kill the babies of other animals and they dont flinch when they do.. they are simply living out natures programming. I strayed from the path.. felt crook for too long and returned to what made sense."
Do you think the durian rider will make a video about him?
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I must admit that Freelee is very alluring in the provocative photos she posts on the web . Perhaps we should encourage our female members to post similiar alluring photos of themselves here online so as to get more members to join. To avoid charges of sexism, we could also show similiar photos of the male members here. Count me out, though, as I've been told that I have the face of an ex-convict and don't want to scare people away.
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Problem Tyler is that I doubt the women here get breast implants and dye their hair much.
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the only times in my life i have been that thin i have been starving
our societies ideal of healthy and sexy women is generally 5-15 pounds under weight
these diets are ways to justify eating disorders
even within the paleo diet, most people are suffering from orthorexia and being far too analytic and skeptical of what they eat instead of being amazed and blessed with the quantity and quality of food that is available to them
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That's right Jessica. Freelee's body is scary to me and I think without the fake boobs it would be pretty scary to healthy paleo men too and perhaps in general? I wonder if the general populace would find someone that thin without the fake breasts appealing. Breasts are made of FAT! She doesn't eat enough fat to have breasts. When you eat enough fat to have breasts you also have fat on other parts of your body. It's a package and what Freelee is is the result of modern surgery - not something that can be found in nature.
I personally think what she does and says is dangerous to young women. They think that if they eat like she does that they will get a body like she has - when it is impossible without surgery.
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Good lord, I checked online and freelee admitted that she had fake breasts. I didn't have a good look, I guess.
I still think my idea is a good one. I agree, though, that most men generally prefer women with a bit more fat on them(not BBWs!).
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Who is Freelee?
I've been feeling better about the way I look lately. I haven't broken anything in 5 weeks and I'm starting to exercise again. I am 40 and I still don't look as good as when I was doing MovNat and cooked paleo, but that's due too all of the injuries. Bad year. I'll post some pretty pictures.... but, you first TD, I think a raw convict face sounds really hot. Let us be the judge. You have nothing to fear, raw women are kind.
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I didn't see the picture yet, but I liked to be skinny. I always was, until about 5 yrs ago. I ate a good amt. I was always active outdoors. I am 5'71/2" and I wore a loose size 7, about 130lbs. I miss that body of mine. It felt great, lithe and nimble. I'm 155 now. Nobody would call me fat, but me, 25lbs feels like cat to elephant.
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http://freeleetv.com/photos.php (http://freeleetv.com/photos.php)
i think these people have so much audacity, i would love for them to go to native tribes who subsist on meats and try to pull the "well my dinner doesnt have a face and doesnt harm anyone, do you think about that when you are biting into a baby lamb leg" type b.s. on people who recognize their connection and relationship with nature and the natural cycle....but that is not the point, the point is to be physically attractive and skinny and have the perfect diet....:/
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I looked at the pic's, now I understand. -X
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DurianRider's little world is going to crash down on his head someday, probably in the next 5-10 years. I hope he never gives up on the low-fat fruitarian diet...until his death or other people forcefully stop him.
That might sound harsh, but, after the way he has behaved here, trolling disrespectfully, I don't want his humility. I don't want to see a change of heart. I want him to have the balls to choose to carry Dr. Doug's ideas to the bitter end, and I want to see the FULL consequences happen.
Natural selection. Survival of the fittest. That's what I want to see. Nothing in the whole Durian Rider situation would bring me pleasure except him never, ever giving up on that low-fat fruit diet, and seeing the consequences of that choice, whatever those consequences might be. I know they'll be negative, though...heh
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Given Freelee's and DR's viciousness towards anyone who doesn't tow the party line, I was surprised to learn that she's not 100% raw:
"...if for some reason I can’t get hold of fruit or pasteurised juice I will *consider* having cooked carbohydrates like potatoes. I would rather be carbed up then exhausted and hungry." -Freelee, 5/12/12, http://freeleetv.com/my-cooked-food-experience-potatoes-lentils-and-tofu.php (http://freeleetv.com/my-cooked-food-experience-potatoes-lentils-and-tofu.php)
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FreeLee's brother just needed to eat more calories...
Fake boobs, vasectomy's, B12 injections, bullying. Nice.
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I must admit that Freelee is very alluring in the provocative photos she posts on the web . Perhaps we should encourage our female members to post similiar alluring photos of themselves here online so as to get more members to join. To avoid charges of sexism, we could also show similiar photos of the male members here. Count me out, though, as I've been told that I have the face of an ex-convict and don't want to scare people away.
I don't consider myself a Paleo poster child but I have had some good results, with my whole animal plus coconut butter approach.
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk1/sarahab88/a99a6e82.jpg)
I don't really want to post a bunch of erotic pinup photos, but if that's what it takes to draw attention to this diet, then it would be worth the humiliation.
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk1/sarahab88/5c02462f.jpg)
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk1/sarahab88/547c6a30.jpg)
I use to joke with my friends that I should audition for a role in the Twilight movies, seeing that I am a real vampire.
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Nice photos, but vampires are too decadent, werewolves are a better symbol for rawists, given that they tear into raw flesh with gusto!
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ahah sabertooth gets the centerfold
this is my token carnevil photo thats me and my backpack (and hand) dripping with the blood of raw beef i liberated from a barbque hosted by the farm :p! also my lips are that color because there was free wine :)!
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/260458_865723985328_29718805_42002747_3587083_n.jpg (http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/260458_865723985328_29718805_42002747_3587083_n.jpg)
i am way too skinny here but thats what happens after having giardia, and being paid $5/hr to work 60+ hours hard labor a week on a farm and also trying to ride bikes and do trail runs all the time...there is not enough food in the world !
i think regardless of my health issues and how i have treated my body i am still a lot healthier and more capable and able to recover from anything faster then the majority, i am sure that if i had had a history free of mental illness, kind of a somewhat normal upbringing, and be following this diet now i would probably be the healthiest person in the world
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I don't consider myself a Paleo poster child but I have had some good results, with my whole animal plus coconut butter approach.
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk1/sarahab88/a99a6e82.jpg (http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk1/sarahab88/a99a6e82.jpg)
I don't really want to post a bunch of erotic pinup photos, but if that's what it takes to draw attention to this diet, then it would be worth the humiliation.
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk1/sarahab88/5c02462f.jpg (http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk1/sarahab88/5c02462f.jpg)
http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk1/sarahab88/547c6a30.jpg (http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk1/sarahab88/547c6a30.jpg)
I use to joke with my friends that I should audition for a role in the Twilight movies, seeing that I am a real vampire.
I can't wait until I look this good. It's coming. I promise me.
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I must admit that Freelee is very alluring in the provocative photos she posts on the web . Perhaps we should encourage our female members to post similiar alluring photos of themselves here online so as to get more members to join. To avoid charges of sexism, we could also show similiar photos of the male members here. Count me out, though, as I've been told that I have the face of an ex-convict and don't want to scare people away.
The pics and videos of our ladies here are already alluring. Why do I have to live so far away?
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i think regardless of my health issues and how i have treated my body i am still a lot healthier and more capable and able to recover from anything faster then the majority, i am sure that if i had had a history free of mental illness, kind of a somewhat normal upbringing, and be following this diet now i would probably be the healthiest person in the world
But you wouldn't be the same girl. You wouldn't be the girl that survived and thrived through all those challenges.
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Sabertooth your a babe. You could do a cenerfold with a photographer, but the last one with the cute smile and your son did me in.
Jessica, you look beautiful. You arms and legs are strong and tight. Your skin is smooth and glowing.
I tried to take a picture of myself but it didn't work I will post one as soon as I can get somebody to take one.
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Sabertooth your a babe. You could do a cenerfold with a photographer, but the last one with the cute smile and your son did me in.
Sabertooth - the picture with your child is better than any Freelee picture - ever. Every young woman will respond to a handsome and obviously strong young man like you taking care of a child. It's truly primal.
I vote Sabertooth to be our "babe".
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O0 Great photos, great bodies :)
I want to gain some fat, especially on the little bumps of bone on each side at the bottom of my spine, which are rubbing on my belt.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RtSk02t-42w/T8Rl52eb-JI/AAAAAAAAAF4/IGjxwogTL6Q/w338-h507-k/IMAG0465.jpg)
I was very pleased to discover the WAPF Wise Traditions magazines at our library yesterday and learn, among other things, about how important it is to eat fat, as once we have enough protein from meat its good to get any extra energy needs from fat.
There doesn't seem to be much fat on the meat at the organic butcher - is there enough fat in the meat that I can't see, or should I ask them for the fatty off-cuts?
I see now why people are keen on raw dairy, as this would be another way to get more fat.
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Thanks for all the positive responses .
Nice photos, but vampires are too decadent, werewolves are a better symbol for rawists, given that they tear into raw flesh with gusto!
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk1/sarahab88/f7c2a3c3.jpg)
The kids on the street have discovered my bone pit and they call me a werewolf when my beard is grown out. One of them asked me what I was eating this week and I told him a sheep. Then he asked me if I ate kids. I told him yes I do eat baby goats.
Too miker
About four years ago I was eating mostly vegetarian(very sick all the time) and was down to about 140 pounds. I had to use suspenders to keep my paints up.
Raw fat has been an essential part of my personal recovery. Lean cuts of meat from the butcher do not contain nearly enough fat. My diet is fat based , over 60% of my calories are from fat. I eat about a third a pound of lamb stomach lining fat along with over two pounds of fatty lamb meat every day. One reason why I like Lamb so much is that it tends to be more fatty that beef. Plus since I butcher my own I have access to all the intestinal lining fat, suet, as well as the bone marrow, brains, glands and other organs.
I suggest getting some fatty cuts of meat, or at least get some fat trimmings to eat with your leaner cuts. Bone marrow is a good source of fat.
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Miker
I like your pic too. Your body is like a spring squirrel, ie all lean muscle. Or if you were a stallion I'd call you a hard keeper. They just race along the fence all day tossing their heads and whinnying at mares. Either was the energy is intense. The electricty palpable almost frayed. I love fat too. I agree with ST more would help you to fill out, maybe with fruit too like egg, honey, cream, banana smoothies- to help gain mass. The fat might help calm you too. It is deeply satisfying/calming. I am more restful even with intense activity when I'm getting plenty of fat. It smoothes and evens me out. My butcher gave me more marrow than I can eat. I feel calm and my energy level is steady and strong. Yesterday I road my bike an hour to the lake, swam over an hour, then did ten push ups before I got back on my bike to go home. My husband was exhausted from the start, I had a steady continuous stream of energy. Even when I got home I sat drank water and felt completely recovered and ready to go. If your still not impressed try to rember I am a 40yr/o diabetic who has been recovering from a torn ACL and a broken foot all winter. Imagine the stamina you'll have with health, youth, and testisterone.
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Found her youtube Chanel
Shes a Durian clone with a boob job. Shes a bit more charming, but is still just as much of a fanatic.
WHY I follow a RAW DIET. Freelee speaks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aQaBfILwOA#ws)
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O0 Great photos, great bodies :)
I want to gain some fat, especially on the little bumps of bone on each side at the bottom of my spine, which are rubbing on my belt.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RtSk02t-42w/T8Rl52eb-JI/AAAAAAAAAF4/IGjxwogTL6Q/w338-h507-k/IMAG0465.jpg)
I was very pleased to discover the WAPF Wise Traditions magazines at our library yesterday and learn, among other things, about how important it is to eat fat, as once we have enough protein from meat its good to get any extra energy needs from fat.
There doesn't seem to be much fat on the meat at the organic butcher - is there enough fat in the meat that I can't see, or should I ask them for the fatty off-cuts?
I see now why people are keen on raw dairy, as this would be another way to get more fat.
That's a great avatar Miker! It's like, "here I am!!!" lol
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Jessica - Are you the woman in the middle?
All the guys - Y'all look great! The way I see it we have been shown a sexy tiger that takes care of his cub and a sexy cute agile monkey and the idea that a werewolf is in the mix there. Much more strength and sex in these images and ideas than a man eating a banana! (at least for heterosexuals) ;) I'm thinking that we really need a raw male babe without steroids or a "boob job" to compete because Durian Rider - well - the only thing he seems to have going for him in the sexy department is having a woman with a good boob job that supposedly finds him attractive.
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miker you have great leg muscles, you are pretty skinny but honestly i think that is more attractive then the photo i saw of freelees brother.
i think folks like freelee are going to succeed at whatever they are going to succeed at because that is their personality type or whatever you will call it. but i also think fruitarianism is going to prove to prematurely age and degenerate these folks. i also think they are keen to lying and falsifying stories and most of them seem extremely immature. i noticed that while living at a vegan raw foods retreat, very much the high school bully mentality.....
i agree that what we have here is a great example of strength and honesty and how a clean and pretty natural diet can create health and healing.
i am totally impressed by your feats of strength adora, i think its great all the women here are very strong, if not completely physically, mentally, and mature and wise:)
yep thats me in the middle dorothy:) i will try to take a photo some time soon, i really had no boobs or butt back then which is why i dont think its healthy to get soo skinny but dang i was strong
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Everyone should have at least one time in their lives when they were extremely strong no matter what they look like at that time! It's like a reference point and a good body memory.
Who cares if you had boobs or a butt! You looked strong and attractive and REAL! I loved in that picture like you just came in from working! All these expectations are simply ridiculous - they are so ridiculous that they make women put plastic balloons in their chests! That has to be the one of the weirdest things we do in our culture that I can think of.
Jessica what you say about the psychological, emotional and neurological stability and maturity is big. People that can't see through the superficiality of Freelee and want to live like advertising instead of the real product respond to it. Freelee came from serious eating disorders - anorexia and bulemia and obesity. Her sense of self revolves around what others think of her looks and that's what she is trying to teach/keep in place for other women that also are insecure. That's pretty sad. You're the real deal Jessica.
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I'm glad FreeLea[nne]Love's brother came to his SENSEs, for his own good health.
Sabertooth, you are looking better and better.
I wonder if the general populace would find someone that thin without the fake breasts appealing. Breasts are made of FAT! She doesn't eat enough fat to have breasts. When you eat enough fat to have breasts you also have fat on other parts of your body. It's a package and what Freelee is is the result of modern surgery - not something that can be found in nature.
I personally think what she does and says is dangerous to young women. They think that if they eat ... like she has - when it is impossible without surgery.
I think she could be dangerous cause she does push her way relentlessly, and that's only healthy money-making for her. But, to have a thin body with large breasts is not only had via surgery. So I kind of felt bad you writing that. Maybe we shouldn't say things like it. Some people are thin and toxic, and the great majority of the toxicity resides in their breasts, and the breasts get large accommadating that. I used to try to gain weight, but the only things that can put good weight on me are raw low glutamine easy to digest protein and raw fat (not oil). I think you're right though that that is not a perfectly healthy body. I didn't know she has implants! It makes sense. She's not the first high profile extreme vegan mostly rawist who got breast implants to make up for the over-skinniness of fruitarianism.
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RawZi, I have seen pictures of Freelee that were like a skeleton - without one little bit of fat anywhere on her body except her "breasts". That is not natural! Yes, you can be thin and have breasts, but not be anorexic without any fat anywhere except LARGE breasts. There might be exceptions - but it's not the rule.
She tells women to melt their blubber and other such things demonstrating her body as what will happen if they eat all fruit with almost no fat not saying outright that when they get rid of their "blubber" their breasts are part of that equation! Breasts ARE blubber.
Selling the package as what you get eating all fruit when a part of that package is bought at the surgeons does a real disservice to young women. I guess if they WANT to have surgery - that's another thing. That's ok if that's what they really want. I just don't like the false advertising.
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Who is this Freelee?
If she is healthy and has plenty of energy then maybe what she is doing is good?
Especially if she is living somewhere hot with yummy baby coconuts, if she was living where I do then at the moment more fat would be handy to keep warm!
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It is, D.
Still, it felt bad reading what you wrote, before I knew she might have breast implants. I was that thin, bony, very, no matter what I ate or over-ate, fat only in breasts. Like I said, RAFs are key for me. With them all my bones have muscle. Some people are different.
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I did some bikini pictures a few days ago, thought I could post them here following others example... LOL
This is without any exercise (I did some weightlifting a few months this winter but quit cause I got too big muscles for my liking.. not very feminine so to say...), quite sedentary life, eating a good amount of calories from mostly animals.
The pictures are not sexy, I am sorry.. maybe someday I'll make some more beautiful pictures.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/20jl8ci.jpg)..(http://i46.tinypic.com/2v3mnuf.jpg)
I am quite happy about how I look, even if I know i could look better if I did some body works. I do take a dip in a cold river every day, most days not only once..
The tan is all natural from the Finlandian spring sun.
Inger
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Umm actually theyre very sexy!
Edit: daaaamn! Your hubby is lucky !
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Umm actually theyre very sexy!
Edit: daaaamn! Your hubby is lucky !
Thoth that is sweet of you to say. Thank you so much.
Unfortunately me and hubby separated recently after 13 years of marriage. I am crushed. Even if our marriage was not a perfect match and hubby struggled badly with alcohol all these years. I do still hope maybe there could have happened something magic. That all would be good. I worked so hard.. so very hard to get this to work. The last thing I would wish anyone to go through is divorce. One reason I do not post much here these days.
Inger
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Aww, shitty, Inger. I know it's a difficult perspective right now, but everything really really really happens for a reason, and if, once your wounds have healed, you'll seize life and dream up that perfect man, he'll show up in the strangest way, and you can live happily ever after if you want. Believe me, you'll have your pick of whomever you want.
My mom is an alcoholic, my last gf was an alcoholic, my ex-stepdad was and a few family members. There's nothing you can do with these kind of people except love them, let them go, and visualize their health and happiness. They have some shit to work out that no one on the planet but them can control, and since they really can't control it until they decide they want to (usually rock bottom or near death) there's not that much point living in misery with them. Of course if you want to stick it out with these types, you certainly can, but you have to expect the behavior and pain that alcohol manifests and exposes, respectively. My vast experience with many alcoholics has mostly soured me on alcohol. Plus I was a lush in highschool for a semester before I lost most of my friends because of it. It's a GREAT substance for exposing internal pain, but horrible for fixing it!
And of course it's not my place to tell you that this suffering is grace, that's for you to determine, but I can tell you that I would not trade a single one of my many many painful experiences in life including, near death experiences, neglect, physical and verbal abuse as a child, religious brainwashing, several arrests, having been mugged and jumped a couple times, once at gunpoint, terrible health and isolation as a child. These were all horrible at the time, gives me chills to relive them, but I'm so grateful for each and every one of the experiences. Life is such an incredible gift. And with about 3 billion + other males on the planet, you can bet there's one, or two, or ten thousand, out there, just right for you!
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... the over-skinniness of fruitarianism.
What is the reason for the over-skinniness of fruitarians? If they overeat sweet fruit, won't all those sugars in the sweet fruit put fat on them?
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If they overeat sweet fruit, won't all those sugars in the sweet fruit put fat on them?
Their fruit is mostly ripe and they don't cook it. It has simple sugars. They don't usually eat anything else. Many get quite thin. Did you try it? I ate only fruit for a number of months. I did lose weight. Never more than ten pounds weight loss in total from it, start to finish each time. I hear if done long enough they gain muscle from it? I don't feel it's for me, and I cannot feel good about recommending it. I stopped; because it felt like time to stop.
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Joy: rawzi can correct me if she thinks im wrong, but peoples' genes tell their bodies whether or not to turn carbs in to fat. If you are prone to weight gain then id guess fruitarianism would inflate you like a balloon. But if youre like me, you can eat carbs all day every day without gaining anything (except disease!).
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It is, D.
Still, it felt bad reading what you wrote, before I knew she might have breast implants. I was that thin, bony, very, no matter what I ate or over-ate, fat only in breasts. Like I said, RAFs are key for me. With them all my bones have muscle. Some people are different.
Freelee rants at people that eat anything different than she does and really beats on women that are "fat" and unlike her idea of what a body "should" be and other people's diets "should" be. When she has breast implants that makes me upset because she is influencing a lot of young women to eat a diet under false pretenses that I personally think can be horrifically deficient and dangerous for many - or at least has shown to be so for many - and then she tells them that they are failing because they aren't eating enough calories or exercising enough or that something is wrong with THEM because it didn't work. I didn't mean in any way to be insulting to you Zi - but I bet you never told anyone that when you very skinny that it was what was the best body to have did you? Most women when they lose weight and exercise a great deal and eat close to no fat also lose size in their breasts. Not everyone is the same of course - but to say to women in general that if you lose your blubber you will look like me and not have the disclaimer constantly that the breasts are fake gets my goat as an older woman seeing how younger women are seeming to hate themselves more and more over time instead of less. This hating who they are thing to the point where women are now cutting themselves with razors - I was hoping some of that would start to subside already - not get worse. I think that Freelee has become part of the problem promoting self-hatred. You're not good enough unless you can become a skeleton and still have breasts! For 99% of the women out there - that's impossible unless they have surgery.
Miker - if Freelee was saying that she feels good and that what she does works for her and kept it at that it would be just fine - but she together with her boyfriend DurianRider haunt other forums and harass people that eat any animal foods no end. They have a group of "guerillas" that go out and make "warfare" on anyone that thinks differently. They try to conceal with cult techniques when their diet doesn't work for anyone else. That's the problem. I'm totally for anyone doing anything that works for them - it's just that I noticed how their group attracts women who already have eating disorders and want to be real skinny like Freelee is. It can do and has done real harm. They attract people that might be open to other healthy diets and indoctrinates them into hating any other diet and that theirs is the only true evolved, compassionate, enlightened diet. I wish I could get my hands on some of those poor souls and FEED THEM! The men all talk about their impotence as if it is something healthy, the women talk in ways that show instability, they talk about neurological problems like they are normal! Freelee is running a cult that I think is dangerous. That's my view of it. It's very different than the fruitarians I have met in the past that were just doing their thing and living the way they liked and chose. Never before was I told that if I didn't eat just fruit I was a barbarian - and when I heard of them originally I was a healthy raw vegan - just eating raw eggs from happy chickens!
I have to say one thing - Freelee did help me to get here. She and DurianRider and their guerillas made me question EVERYTHING about raw veganism - especially as I listened to the symptoms of their followers that couldn't even accept that they were having symptoms. Denial can be a real powerful thing and Freelee promotes denial imho. She's the head of a religion that I particularly don't like.
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Thoth that is sweet of you to say. Thank you so much.
Unfortunately me and hubby separated recently after 13 years of marriage. I am crushed. Even if our marriage was not a perfect match and hubby struggled badly with alcohol all these years. I do still hope maybe there could happend something magic. That all would be good. I worked so hard.. so very hard to get this work. The last thing I would wish anyone to go through is divorce. One reason I do not post much here these days.
Inger
I'm so very sorry Inger. :(
I hope that you find that the loss leads to something more joyful than you could have ever dreamt of.
With that great body, your beautiful face, your lovely personality and your amazing food preparations talents - you just need to find the guy that can appreciate a really good thing when he sees/meets it!
Love and light to you at this time Inger! Hopefully we can support and cheer you through.
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Inger, I'm still doing cold therapy too. It is wonderful is the warm weather don't you think? You are such a beauty. You don't need to find any man. You are wonderful in every way you've shared. You just need to hold them back until you're heart is good and ready to love again.
Xoxoxo
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Yeah - what Adora said is better than what I said!
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Fantastic photos Inger - what a gorgeous body and face you have!
Fruitarianism, is stupid - why just fruits, what's wrong with all the other parts of a plant?
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I didn't mean in any way to be insulting to you Zi - but I bet you never told anyone that when you very skinny that it was what was the best body to have did you? Most women when they lose weight and exercise a great deal and eat close to no fat also lose size in their breasts. Not everyone is the same of course - but to say to women in general that if you lose your blubber you will look like me and not have the disclaimer constantly that the breasts are fake gets my goat as an older woman seeing how younger women are seeming to hate themselves more and more over time instead of less. This hating who they are thing to the point where women are now cutting themselves with razors - I was hoping some of that would start to subside already - not get worse. I think that Freelee has become part of the problem promoting self-hatred. You're not good enough unless you can become a skeleton and still have breasts! For 99% of the women out there - that's impossible unless they have surgery.
Well, thank you D. Nope. I never told people I was better than them. I think I had always considered everyone equal. Oh, and one of the times I was all fruit, for certain that ten pounds came off all from my breasts. Actually, it's what I did want to happen. So I didn't mind that. Some fruities with distorted perceptions may have minded if it went that way for them.
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why just fruits, what's wrong with all the other parts of a plant?
Save the world one plant's life at a time. If there were no animals on earth, then animals and people would never kill anyone. This would be quite a vegan world. Take the stalk or the root, and kill the plant. Also, more digestible. Or..for the fun of it! They are sugar high addicts perhaps. Take your pick or come up with any reason to make a limit.
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Gorgeous photos, Inger. No doubt you're now the most eligible bachelorette in your country or even all of Europe. You're not only attractive, you have a charisma and glow since you went raw Paleo.
Freelee rants at people that eat anything different than she does and really beats on women that are "fat" and unlike her idea of what a body "should" be and other people's diets "should" be. When she has breast implants that makes me upset because she is influencing a lot of young women to eat a diet under false pretenses that I personally think can be horrifically deficient and dangerous for many - or at least has shown to be so for many - and then she tells them that they are failing because they aren't eating enough calories or exercising enough or that something is wrong with THEM because it didn't work. ....
Yeah, I'm skinny myself, so I have nothing against thin people, but I do have a problem with someone like Freelee who frequently talks about how good she looks, not mentioning the breast implants and dyed hair, and tells other women that they are fat failures.
Whatever the cause, I too have noticed that there are more emaciated people among raw vegan dieters than any other popular diet I've seen.
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Gorgeous photos, Inger. No doubt you're now the most eligible bachelorette in your country or even all of Europe. You're not only attractive, you have a charisma and glow since you went raw Paleo.
It's not a far stretch to think Inger winds up with a fellow raw paleo guy and has raw paleo babies. :)
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Back to Freelee's brother,
Can someone contact him and tell him to eat raw meat instead of cooked meat?
Maybe he can be one of us here.
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Their fruit is mostly ripe and they don't cook it. It has simple sugars. They don't usually eat anything else. Many get quite thin. Did you try it? I ate only fruit for a number of months. I did lose weight. Never more than ten pounds weight loss in total from it, start to finish each time. I hear if done long enough they gain muscle from it? I don't feel it's for me, and I cannot feel good about recommending it. I stopped; because it felt like time to stop.
Back in the days while I thought fruitarianism was the ideal, I tried several times to do it. I never succeeded in doing it for even one week. I got sick of the sweetness of fruits even though I loved/love fruits in general.
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Joy: rawzi can correct me if she thinks im wrong, but peoples' genes tell their bodies whether or not to turn carbs in to fat. If you are prone to weight gain then id guess fruitarianism would inflate you like a balloon. But if youre like me, you can eat carbs all day every day without gaining anything (except disease!).
So fruitarianism is not always responsible for over-skinniness.
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So fruitarianism is not always responsible for over-skinniness.
I'd expect not, but I'm going off of theoretical knowledge and the carbohydrate hypothesis of obesity, which is how I feel about the issue. I don't have the personal experience to back it up because I came from SAD to RVAF, never trying any kind of veganism or otherwise. That's why i said RawZi might correct me if I'm wrong.
Your propensity to gain weight is written in to your genes. Then if you do things that feed that lipophilic tissue, like eating lots of carbs, or messing with your metabolism/hormones, or all of the above, it increases.
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I've never heard of anyone gaining weight on RVF, maybe we could do this by living on baby coconuts : ), or if we ate lots of greens and did workouts we could gain muscle weight. I cannot see how anyone could put on weight just eating fresh raw fruit. Dried fruit with its different sugar profiles might have more chance.
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Adora, CT in warm weather is so nice, I do it too and warm up in the sun after. So good. The river is around 55 degrees F these days so quite cool still! The longest I stayed in was 25 minutes but usually I do just a few minutes.
Adora, Dorothy, Miker, PP, GS, Thoth.. thank you so much for your very kind words. They do warmed my heart. It is so easy to see all that is imperfect about me.. cause I do have a lot of that too sadly.. and blame myself for the failure of my marriage. That makes it hurt even more. But you all help me to see the other sides too. I do not feel like having any relationships anymore ever right now but it might change over time. Maybe after one or more years I have healed and am ready for letting someone in my heart again. Ready to trust again. I wish so cause I loved to be a wife and I wold love to be a mother too. Best jobs ever... But for now.. I need to be alone.
So much good advice from you.. I am so blessed to be in such a community with such great spirits.
Inger
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I agree with Dorothy, that freelee and her unsubstantiated claims are a menace. Her and her type are responsible for leading many really weak minded people down the wrong path.
Miker
I believe the high level of simple sugars in a frutarians diet causes muscle wasting and other serious health problems in the majority of people..
Some people may have a bionic pancreas that can handle excessive sugars without developing diabetes, but still they cant avoid the wasting of muscle due to excess sugars combine with a lack of protein and fatty acids.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/548373-muscle-wasting-glucose/ (http://www.livestrong.com/article/548373-muscle-wasting-glucose/)
Inger
I've missed your presence on the forum, you were always a real sweet heart. I was joking with my other half earlier today about how if she ever left me I may just run off to Norway.
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Inger if you wanted to start a healing journal then people here could help to support you in what ways we can. It might be good to journal your good days and bad. Might be too personal. Just a thought. Emotional healing is at least as IMPORTAND as diet. I go 20mins in by tub with ice cubes. They all melt. I don't know the temp. Then I ride my bike in the sun, it solved the challenge of the rewarm.
I was a pretty constant 140lb as a raw vegan but my belly was very bloated. I was really full of myself and judgemental of others. I read books to my kid about how it was wrong to eat animals. She felt so guilty and her growing body wanted meat so bad I did give it to her. I stayed raw vegan though and she still remembers the constant judgement.
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I'm starting to wonder if it's because I changed my diet for intellectual reasons and then got personal guidance from meditation - not from judgment or religiosity or any person acting as a guru - that I did so well as a vegan. I liked my body and felt really good - but never once told anyone that they "should" do what I was doing or that they were less than for not doing it. I was the only one that I knew doing what I was doing and there was no internet - so it would be outrageous hubris to think that my one experience was necessary THE truth. If someone asked me I told them what I ate, but never assuming that what I was doing was best for anyone else let alone everyone. I have always felt like I was experimenting and STILL feel like I'm experimenting.
What scares me the most about certain raw food circles like Freelee's is their desire to withhold information when something doesn't work. The censorship is what is the most dangerous. That's what I like about this place - the lack of censorship. If something works or doesn't work for an individual - no one has their finger on the delete button. I feel like most of us here realize that we are experimenting.
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all my love to you inger...
my dearest friend is going through a similar situation, but i think you hold much wisdom in taking time to heal your heart. its like a blessing and curse letting go of relationships, but it does free up time and energy to work on the relationship with oneself.
much love to everyone here:)
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Hi Inger, your ex must be very foolish to throw away such opportunity of lovely healthy mother and starting a family.
Maybe you need to make a trip to New Zealand to take your mind off him >D
Hi Dorothy, what do you think is the easiest way to meditate?
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The easiest? Never heard that question before. Let's see ......... probably involving sound. Not sure it's the best or most effective - but I would say it's the easiest - and it's a great place to start. You can get one of those "put you into a different state" recordings. Mantras are easier than other ancient techniques too. Sound drowns out the mental chatter, helps focus the mind and can change the vibrations of the body rapidly.
At this point I do what I call "inner work" rather than meditation.
Supposedly anything you can do with "mindfulness" could be considered a meditation. If there is some activity that you do with all of yourself thinking of nothing else where you feel at one with yourself, the activity and everything around you as you do that activity - that also could be considered meditation and would be the easiest place from which to broaden into another meditative activity. That would be easier than most meditation techniques too.
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Inger - I'm curious - was your husband into the raw paleo diet, health conscious or on a journey similar to yours?
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I'm starting to wonder if it's because I changed my diet for intellectual reasons and then got personal guidance from meditation - not from judgment or religiosity or any person acting as a guru - that I did so well as a vegan. I liked my body and felt really good - but never once told anyone that they "should" do what I was doing or that they were less than for not doing it. I was the only one that I knew doing what I was doing and there was no internet - so it would be outrageous hubris to think that my one experience was necessary THE truth. If someone asked me I told them what I ate, but never assuming that what I was doing was best for anyone else let alone everyone. I have always felt like I was experimenting and STILL feel like I'm experimenting.
What scares me the most about certain raw food circles like Freelee's is their desire to withhold information when something doesn't work. The censorship is what is the most dangerous. That's what I like about this place - the lack of censorship. If something works or doesn't work for an individual - no one has their finger on the delete button. I feel like most of us here realize that we are experimenting.
I'm beginning to finally accept the value of pluralism in the raw foods movements. Listen to all extremes with a discerning ear and take it all with a grain of sea salt. There is this idea that perhaps even raw vegans have some inherent value in the great magnificence of things.
People on both sides of this epic debate may not be completely forthright about all the effects of their diets. One must look on with compassion for the deceiver and realize they are acting out of some need to be right, no matter what. There is a great struggle that all of us have to undergo and no one wants to be on the losing side. Even those people who are thriving are still striving for something beyond. This striving is built into the code of life and its magesty will guild our destiny.
I stand on the side of giving this life force the best chance of thriving and forging the changes necessary to create the "most well balanced /well adapted being" possible. I believe for my personal well being that a diet of mostly animal flesh provides the best opportunity for reaching the peak of my genetic potential. Other beings may have other basic needs; as a Universalist I recognize there is no one single path to the truth.
We shouldn't be so quick to dismiss the vegan path. Contemplate vegetarianism in the context of the multiplicity of human existence. There is so much uncertainty about the future... who is to say that vegans may not someday save humanity from extinction? Imagine a possible future in which all food animals are eaten to extinction! Well, that would give the vegans an evolutionary advantage. That is if they are actually able to sustain a breeding population long enough for the epigenetic changes necessary to truly adapt. I doubt it, but stranger things have happened.
Then try to imagine if Durian and Freelee were actually able to have viable offspring and raise them to adulthood on a raw vegan diet. Perhaps they could spawn forth a generation of humans who are adapted well to living without animal foods. So when the great famine comes they would be able to survive on a diet of thirty bananas a day, while the rest of us starve.
I know it's highly unlikely, but stranger things have happened.
What is more likely is that our paleo decendents will eat the vegan decendants in order to survive a great famine. ;) Time will tell.
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LOL. Sabertooth - I think maybe Freelee and DR should get on their bikes and try to get as much of a head start as they can!
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I'm beginning to finally accept the value of pluralism in the raw foods movements. Listen to all extremes with a discerning ear and take it all with a grain of sea salt. There is this idea that perhaps even raw vegans have some inherent value in the great magnificence of things.
Yes, I learned from Durianrider that if you're going to eat the Cavendish bananas commonly sold in the USA you should eat them very ripe (what most folks would consider overripe).
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Phil - do you believe that? I trust your experience much more than DRs. Over ripe bananas are pretty yucky tasting don't you think? The only way I would eat those would be as frozen banana icecream - which I have to admit is pretty yummy.
I had three bananas the night before last (unusual for me to eat so many - usually only one at a time) and I had a terrible night and felt bad the next morning. I was thinking about the banana people and wondering how on earth they could eat 30 and live to tell the tale. Maybe it's because they eat them rotten?
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Phil - do you believe that? I trust your experience much more than DRs.
My experience so far matches his advice, though I don't seem to tolerate even overripe bananas nearly as well as what appears to be my best-tolerated fruit so far--wild berries, such as wild Maine blueberries.
Over ripe bananas are pretty yucky tasting don't you think?
It can take some getting used to, though I did learn a trick that helped when I was a wee lad. My mother used to buy tons of bananas and they would ferment and attract fruit flies. I got sick of those annoying pests, so I tried to eat up all the bananas before they could rot. Humorously, that only encouraged her to buy more. I learned that by mushing them up in a bowl they for some reason became more palatable. Adding cinnamon also helped.
I had three bananas the night before last (unusual for me to eat so many - usually only one at a time) and I had a terrible night and felt bad the next morning. I was thinking about the banana people and wondering how on earth they could eat 30 and live to tell the tale. Maybe it's because they eat them rotten?
I do suspect that that's part of it, because I read in the past several of them saying that that helped, in addition to DR.
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The very ripe bananas here get put into the freezer to be used as icecream - but rarely get used because icecream takes some effort - but I'm going to do an experiment! I'm going to take three of those bananas and make them into icecream in the evening and see if they affect me differently. If they do - then the only bananas we will have are the icreammy kind.
Have you ever had banana icecream Phil? If you get that food processor you will be able to try it. Put some of that on your Maine wild blueberries and you might be in for some real fun. ;)
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I did meet some whole food vegan kids once at a birthday party and while all the other kids were playing, the supposedly 'healthier' kids were too busy finding kiwifruit and other things they were allowed to eat to bother with play. They were on a totally different mental level from the others - they seemed a lot more basic and not communicating with the others, maybe nutritionally challenged?
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Maybe just HUNGRY!
When eating raw vegan or fruitarian without enough fat I've noticed that people have to eat almost constantly and that's what they report too. When I was raw vegan I ate lots of fat (apparently enough for me) so didn't need to eat much but the ones that don't eat enough fat constantly are eating to the point where it's scary.
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Maybe just HUNGRY!
When eating raw vegan or fruitarian without enough fat I've noticed that people have to eat almost constantly and that's what they report too. When I was raw vegan I ate lots of fat (apparently enough for me) so didn't need to eat much but the ones that don't eat enough fat constantly are eating to the point where it's scary.
I had that problem when I was eating vegans too. When the apocalypse comes, I'll skip 'em. They're more like a dessert than a meal and I'll be needing something that'll stick to my ribs.
LOL. Sabertooth - I think maybe Freelee and DR should get on their bikes and try to get as much of a head start as they can!
Not on their diets. I'll catch them at the end of the block on my own feet.
On a more serious note, for Inger - it takes time. I've been through it and I'm certain others here have, too. There are lots of reasons why marriages break up. But we all do eventually heal, and when that time comes, watch out! -d
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There was this Gary Larson cartoon with two bears watching a couple of hunters go by. One turns to the other and says, "Oh, I don't eat those - too many preservatives."
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I had that problem when I was eating vegans too. When the apocalypse comes, I'll skip 'em. They're more like a dessert than a meal and I'll be needing something that'll stick to my ribs.
Hey nothin a bit of salt and pepper wouldn't fix.
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I had three bananas the night before last (unusual for me to eat so many - usually only one at a time) and I had a terrible night and felt bad the next morning. I was thinking about the banana people and wondering how on earth they could eat 30 and live to tell the tale. Maybe it's because they eat them rotten?
I have the same experience with any high carb food. If i eat too much carbs short before going to bed i sleep very restless. I wake up all the time, have weird dreams and just feel nervous. I wake up feeling severely hung over. Took me a while to figure it out but there is no doubt the same every time.
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I have the same experience with any high carb food. If i eat too much carbs short before going to bed i sleep very restless. I wake up all the time, have weird dreams and just feel nervous. I wake up feeling severely hung over. Took me a while to figure it out but there is no doubt the same every time.
It's funny that I never really ate like that at night before to figure it out. I usually like vegetables or protein at night time. I wonder what possessed me??? It has to be this thread! That's it. See how much damage this kind of talk can do?!!!! ;)
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I have the same experience with any high carb food. If i eat too much carbs short before going to bed i sleep very restless. I wake up all the time, have weird dreams and just feel nervous. I wake up feeling severely hung over. Took me a while to figure it out but there is no doubt the same every time.
Ayurveda says that fruit is apropos in the morning, OK in the afternoon and not a great idea at night.
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Ayurveda says that fruit is apropos in the morning, OK in the afternoon and not a great idea at night.
What are the reasonings?
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What are the reasonings?
That one I can't explain. Maybe it's because the fruit goes through so quickly that it bumps up against the slower digesting food you've had for the evening meal and then it sits behind it and gurgles.
They also say to not eat modified milk products at night, although that is easy to explain. They tend to be hard to digest so your stomach is hard at work all night. Same with proteins late at night. They tend to bring on nightmates.
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Ayurveda says that fruit is apropos in the morning, OK in the afternoon and not a great idea at night.
Kapha (morning-damp cool heavy relaxed) doesn't have as strong digestion as Pitta (midday sun-sharp direct). You might want something that gives a lighter energy at those times, with quicker release of said energy, like ripe fruit. Midday fires of agni? (powers of digestion) help break things down and get them where they need to go. Sound plausible, Raw-Al?
I wonder what the practice of Ayurveda was like five thousand years ago before vegetarianism and excessive cooking became popular.
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I learned that by mushing them up in a bowl they for some reason became more palatable. Adding cinnamon also helped.
Bananas made me nauseas as a kid, in particular on an empty stomach. The cinnamon trick sounds good, maybe I'll try it in a pinch. Sorry for bringing in SAD foods, but I had to put "tons" of cinnamon on bread or cereal in order to tolerate their (lack of) flavors. Cinnamon lowers blood sugar? I know it does something, and made things palatable. Mushing the bananas too, helped bring foods to room temperature and made them nicer to eat. I guess that's only with foods I didn't like. Juicy fresh fruit I had no problems eating as it, nor raw veges etc.
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Kapha (morning-damp cool heavy relaxed) doesn't have as strong digestion as Pitta (midday sun-sharp direct). You might want something that gives a lighter energy at those times, with quicker release of said energy, like ripe fruit. Midday fires of agni? (powers of digestion) help break things down and get them where they need to go. Sound plausible, Raw-Al?
I wonder what the practice of Ayurveda was like five thousand years ago before vegetarianism and excessive cooking became popular.
Hey, excellent, I slipped a few cogs on that one. You are right on. Then in the evening/night you want to be subdued by vata pacifying foods (heavier) so you can sleep, otherwise you get too much vata in your sleep, which will bring on fitful sleep as hit_it_raw described.
Five thousand years ago is a wild guess at best. I heard a theory that prior to moving into the valleys to farm, disease wasn't as prevalent so Ay. was not as important. The people were not veges at that time. It was only when Buddhists and Hindu philosophies hit them that the Brahmins started eating vegetarian from what I understand.
Cinnamon does lower blood sugar from what I have read.
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Ayurveda says that fruit is apropos in the morning, OK in the afternoon and not a great idea at night.
Some people, like my son when going low carb, consume all his carbs at night. his liver is empty. The sugar in fruit gets him started. he's 11 now.
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Interesting about the kapha morning vatta evening issues. In meditation I was instructed not to eat in the morning at all - I haven't been eating until afternoon - usually after 2 - then again around 7 - but never after 9 pm. I usually go to sleep around midnight or after. My heavier meal is in the evening. I feel much better not eating anything until the pitta time of day and it is true that if I eat my heavier meal at night I rest better. It also feels great going so long with eating nothing. I feel like it gives my entire system a rest. I might need this just for a time for healing, but it interesting that it is coming up now and so is the information about Ayurveda corresponding.
Thanks so much Al and Zi for that!
Oh - and cinnamon is a powerful healing herb for the adrenal glands. It doesn't reduce blood sugar directly - it works at feeding/healing the organs that are responsible for blood sugar stability.
Cinnamon isn't a SAD food. It's a powerful plant helper.
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Interesting about the kapha morning vatta evening issues. In meditation I was instructed not to eat in the morning at all - I haven't been eating until afternoon - usually after 2 - then again around 7 - but never after 9 pm. I usually go to sleep around midnight or after. My heavier meal is in the evening. I feel much better not eating anything until the pitta time of day and it is true that if I eat my heavier meal at night I rest better. It also feels great going so long with eating nothing. I feel like it gives my entire system a rest. I might need this just for a time for healing, but it interesting that it is coming up now and so is the information about Ayurveda corresponding.
Thanks so much Al and Zi for that!
Oh - and cinnamon is a powerful healing herb for the adrenal glands. It doesn't reduce blood sugar directly - it works at feeding/healing the organs that are responsible for blood sugar stability.
Cinnamon isn't a SAD food. It's a powerful plant helper.
I'm not sure about the no breakfast advice. Can you say who said that to you?
It is best not to eat before meditation, so your brain has the blood supply to itself to do the important work. But afterwards there is no reason not to. Meditation if anything enlivens the senses, so would improve digestion. I suppose it depends on when you get up.
Breakfast should be sweet, light, but I would not miss it. That would aggravate Vata.
Lunch is the time when the sun is high and so Pitta is strongest and should be the big meal. Evening should be smaller, so it can digest better, because digestion is weaker.
After a meal, you should walk a bit say, 20 minutes and since the digestive process involves movement, it is helped if you move also, so heavy meals are not such a good idea in the evening. Just not really light food like fruit.
Having said that, summer which it is close to in Texas, means less food, because you don't need as much energy and the added heat of digestion will just tire you.
Sometimes all the different advice can be confusing. It all depends on the individual, their environment, lifestyle, goals etc. Take it all with a grain of cinnamon. ;D
Also when accepting advice remember that it is difficult to diagnose anyone at a distance. All you can really do is guess.
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Ha ha. The advice was from meditation - so is basically from ME! - who I trust the most in such matters. ;)
I rarely eat really heavy meals these days so it's usually either fruit or salad/veggies and raw eggs or raw fish a couple of times a week and only once in along while some raw meat and I've given up dairy completely. I know it's not the norm here. The fruit comes first and everything else later with my new pattern.
The pattern isn't from advice from other people Al. It goes against everything I've ever heard to do actually. It's totally personal. I think it's interesting hearing how it relates to Ayurveda though.
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I eat usually 2 meals a day, a meat/.fat meal around noon, and then a fruit meal that usually includes some fat like avocado or fermented cream around 4-5 pm. That's usually it.
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Interesting Cheri. That ends up being pretty much the same distance between the two meals as me - I just start a couple of hours later. I have sometimes put the fruit later and it doesn't seem to make much difference - it just works better in terms of being able to have a meal with my husband if I eat the foods that he eats at a time that he likes to eat them too. I always mix the fruit with fat as well. I used to use fermented cream often - but now that I have given up cream I only use my soaked nut cream. I preferred the taste of real cream much more though. The bananas didn't work but I can have a meal of berries and nutcream at night and feel just fine.
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The other thing I could add is that eating raw tends to throw some of the theories out the window. LOL
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After a meal, ideally, you should rest, not walk.
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After a meal, ideally, you should rest, not walk.
Why?
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Why?
since walking will disturb the flow of blood to your stomach and affect your digestion. Ideally, you should rest, do nothing for half an hour at least. Not sleep, not walk. Sit, browse the net, read a book after a meal. Watch tv....etc.
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since walking will disturb the flow of blood to your stomach and affect your digestion. Ideally, you should rest, do nothing for half an hour at least. Not sleep, not walk. Sit, browse the net, read a book after a meal. Watch tv....etc.
Ayurveda suggests resting for a few minutes laying on your left side to activate the breathing through the right nostril (heating) and then go for a twenty minute walk. The reason for the walk is to move the internal organs which assists the peristaltic action of the GI Tract. By sitting down or laying down as you suggest you are holding the area still which restricts the GI Tract from moving and therefore restricting the peristaltic action. Walking also gets the breathing going which helps the blood to get oxygen to the blood.
Regarding the laying on your left side, this is due to the fact that your body naturally breathes through one nostril for around 90 minutes to 2 hours and then switches. It is called alternate rhinitis. The process starts at sunrise with the breathing switching to the centre briefly (best time for meditation) then it starts I believe it goes right first.
Another way to start the right breathing is to press something up into your left armpit for say thirty seconds. Or put your arm over a chair and press on the armpit. There are 5 nerves in your neck shoulder area that will assist you in this if you know where they are.
That is why you see pictures of Yogis with a stick with a T shaped top on it.
When you are breathing predominantly through your right nostril you are better equipped for making decisions (male aspect)(cooling) when you are breathing through the left nostril you are better setup for brainstorming, creative, (female aspect) (heating) activity. Centre or both equal is best for meditation/spiritual activity and rotten for everything else. So if you have to make a decision or do some factual work, put your left arm over a chair and press down.
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I forgot to mention that what is sold as "cinnamon" in the USA is a legume, apparently called Cinnamomum cassia Nees ex Blume (Cinnamon aromaticum, aka Cinnamon Canela Molida, aka bastard cinnamon), whereas the "true" cinnamon that provided benefits in some studies is Cinnamomum verum or cinnamomum zeylancium grown mainly in Sri Lanka. I have no idea how much better one is over the other and don't want to debate it with anyone, yet it is interesting that "false" cinnamon is far cheaper and promoted as though it were "true" cinnamon.
When I eat healthy raw Paleo, I feel energized and want to run outdoors. When I eat cooked SAD, I feel sleepy and my grandmother's advice to nap after a meal becomes enticing.
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After a meal, ideally, you should rest, not walk.
There's a Chinese saying--"take 100 steps after every meal to live to 100."
I usually like to walk after eating, but not any very heavy exercise.
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When you are breathing predominantly through your right nostril you are better equipped for making decisions (male aspect)(heating) when you are breathing through the left nostril you are better setup for brainstorming, creative, (female aspect) (cooling) activity. Centre or both equal is best for meditation/spiritual activity and rotten for everything else. So if you have to make a decision or do some factual work, put your left arm over a chair and press down.
OOps, I had the heating/cooling mixed up
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I forgot to mention that what is sold as "cinnamon" in the USA is a legume, apparently called Cinnamomum cassia Nees ex Blume (Cinnamon aromaticum, aka Cinnamon Canela Molida, aka bastard cinnamon), whereas the "true" cinnamon that provided benefits in some studies is Cinnamomum verum or cinnamomum zeylancium grown mainly in Sri Lanka. I have no idea how much better one is over the other and don't want to debate it with anyone, yet it is interesting that "false" cinnamon is far cheaper and promoted as though it were "true" cinnamon.
When I eat healthy raw Paleo, I feel energized and want to run outdoors. When I eat cooked SAD, I feel sleepy and my grandmother's advice to nap after a meal becomes enticing.
This is eye opening about cinnamon.
I better get cinnamon from the indian grocery.
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We are hopelessly veering off topic.
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We are hopelessly veering off topic.
But learning really important things about cinnamon!
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This is one of many threads on this forum that makes me so happy while reading! There are so many intelligent, gifted, curious and wise people in this forum and THAT is the ultimate proof of the benefits of a RAF diet. More so, than any poster babe.
Although, if we were to have an official RAF babe, I too vote for Sabertooth! Man, you look good >D !
And so does all of you who are courageous enough to post pictures here, I am truly inspired by each and every one of you.
The tone of respect for individual paths on this forum is very rare and something that I have never come across on raw vegan forums (before when I were interested in that dietary regime). Freelee, Duriander and other fanatics are a bad rolemodels for young people. Many girls will starve themselves until they lose their periods and boobs to look like Freelee and all the other unhealthy female rolemodels out there. I wonder how great they will feel when their teeth start to come out and their digestive system cracks due to lack of fat.
I'm happy for Freelees brother! Hope he finds his way to RAF.
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When I first went raw in 2002, it was on a diet of raw fruit, salad greens, coconut oil & nuts. I looked amazing, slim, glowing skin, BUT after 1 year I felt my skin was dry & my hair was dry too.
One night I woke up craving raw egg yolks even though they were not part of my raw diet. But I HAD to have them! So I went downstairs & into kitchen. I cracked open 5 eggs, separated out the whites & drank down the 5 raw yolks. I wanted more so I had 3 more yolks. It was my body telling me: GET OMEGA 3 FATS NOW!
After I ate them I felt so much better & I slept deeply. From that point on i felt the yolks were something my body needed, so I ate at least 3-4 RAW egg yolks daily.
My hair & skin became smooth, soft & I got so many compliments.
When I posted my story on raw vegan message boards....WOW..... I got blasted for even suggesting people need Omega 3 from animal products! Some said it was disgusting, gross, I was a loser, a bad person for eating animal substances
I also got blasted for suggesting egg yolks would help supply much needed B Vitamins .
Luckily a couple of Raw leaders came to my defense (Nazariah was one. He told his own story about temporarily losing the use of his legs due to Vit B deficiency on a raw vegan diet. He was cured after adding raw egg yolks, raw goats milk back into his diet).
Needless to say I do NOT recommend a RAW VEGAN DIET (whether low or high fat) & I DO recommend a RAW PALEO DIET (being sure to have either raw egg yolks &/or raw salmon for Omega 3 etc) with addition of some Cooked veggies in winter.
The one food I personally don't do well with (cooked or raw, soaked) are grains or heavy starches.
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When I first went raw in 2002, it was on a diet of raw fruit, salad greens, coconut oil & nuts. I looked amazing, slim, glowing skin, BUT after 1 year I felt my skin was dry & my hair was dry too.
One night I woke up craving raw egg yolks even though they were not part of my raw diet. But I HAD to have them! So I went downstairs & into kitchen. I cracked open 5 eggs, separated out the whites & drank down the 5 raw yolks. I wanted more so I had 3 more yolks. It was my body telling me: GET OMEGA 3 FATS NOW!
Yes, especially DHA, most likely. I have seen multiple stories like this. The human brain/mind seems to have a survival mechanism to assure it gets enough DHA, vitamin A and other vital nutrients.
Had you ever eaten separated yolks before and did you know at the time that they contained plenty of omega 3 fat?
When I posted my story on raw vegan message boards....WOW..... I got blasted for even suggesting people need Omega 3 from animal products! Some said it was disgusting, gross, I was a loser, a bad person for eating animal substances
I also got blasted for suggesting egg yolks would help supply much needed B Vitamins .
Typical response. Not surprising.
The one food I personally don't do well with (cooked or raw, soaked) are grains or heavy starches.
I wouldn't rule out resistant starches until you've tried them. Google tatertot or otzi and "resistant starch," if you're interested.
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When I first went raw in 2002, it was on a diet of raw fruit, salad greens, coconut oil & nuts. I looked amazing, slim, glowing skin, BUT after 1 year I felt my skin was dry & my hair was dry too.
One night I woke up craving raw egg yolks even though they were not part of my raw diet. But I HAD to have them! So I went downstairs & into kitchen. I cracked open 5 eggs, separated out the whites & drank down the 5 raw yolks. I wanted more so I had 3 more yolks. It was my body telling me: GET OMEGA 3 FATS NOW!
After I ate them I felt so much better & I slept deeply. From that point on i felt the yolks were something my body needed, so I ate at least 3-4 RAW egg yolks daily.
My hair & skin became smooth, soft & I got so many compliments.
When I posted my story on raw vegan message boards....WOW..... I got blasted for even suggesting people need Omega 3 from animal products! Some said it was disgusting, gross, I was a loser, a bad person for eating animal substances
I also got blasted for suggesting egg yolks would help supply much needed B Vitamins .
Luckily a couple of Raw leaders came to my defense (Nazariah was one. He told his own story about temporarily losing the use of his legs due to Vit B deficiency on a raw vegan diet. He was cured after adding raw egg yolks, raw goats milk back into his diet).
Needless to say I do NOT recommend a RAW VEGAN DIET (whether low or high fat) & I DO recommend a RAW PALEO DIET (being sure to have either raw egg yolks &/or raw salmon for Omega 3 etc) with addition of some Cooked veggies in winter.
The one food I personally don't do well with (cooked or raw, soaked) are grains or heavy starches.
Yep. I remember a guy from Florida back in 2002 on a raw vegan forum reporting that the only thing that completely cured his Lyme symptoms was raw egg yolk. He was vegan otherwise, but the yolks really worked for him. A lot of people gave him crap about it, but he politely continued to assert his case.
When did you start eating RAF regularly? Where are you from? I started raw mostly-vegan in 2001, and added raw shellfish/fish in 2005, and have continued to try different meats, fish, organs, etc. ever since. I mainly eat seafoods for my flesh foods, a lot of fatty fish and shellfish.