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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: achillezzz on December 16, 2011, 08:06:52 am
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So in his book "How to cure tooth decay" Ramiel nagel stated that when you ingest sugar your blood minerals like phosphorus and calcium are being unbalanced and the body pulls calcium from the teeth.. this procces causes tooth decay.
So from this I also learn to not ingest carbs before a workout I rather workout in ketosis I don't wana risk tooth decay...
But what happens if I take the carbs post workout?? my muscles will take in the sugars before any imbalance in blood minerals occurs?? how does that work??
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What I'm basically trying to ask is does ingesting carbs after a brutal workout when my sugar stores are totally depleted will aid tooth decay or the sugars will be absorbed so rapidly into the muscles that it won't do any harm? Same goes for diabetes.
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The sugars are still going to feed the bacteria in your mouth that cause tooth decay. The best thing to do is to have some clay or bone meal with your carbs, to replenish the minerals being pulled from your teeth.
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Cherimoya_kid has a good point: tooth building inputs are important. Magnesium is essential for strong tooth enamel, in addition to vitamin A, D, and K.
Lactic acid is what wears away the tooth's surface, saliva is base and counteracts the acidity in addition to delivering nutrients.
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so carbs are are evil after all and no matter how you do it without a solid diet with lots of fat soluble vitamins and minerals carb intake should be minimized?? ???
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What do you mean by carbs exactly? When I was rebuilding my teeth I couldn't eat SUGAR at any cost, but could eat all the fruit and vegetables that I wanted and were good for my body as a whole and it didn't interfere with the rebuilding. Sugar and carbs to me are different things. I think the trick is to eat what is ideal for you as an individual.
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so carbs are are evil after all and no matter how you do it without a solid diet with lots of fat soluble vitamins and minerals carb intake should be minimized?? ???
There are many ethnic groups which eat a high proportion of carbs and have good tooth health.
I have noticed that many people from Africa have fantastic looking teeth, very bright and strait; their diets consist primarily of cereal-based carbohydrates augmented by a little fish, meat, or dairy.
According to Weston Price even the traditional Inuit had (very few) cavities on a virtually sugar free diet. The Scots of the Hebrides had almost the same low instances of cavities as the Inuit, even though the Scots consumed plenty of carbohydrates from oats.
It appears that nutrient intake has a very strong correlation with tooth health, even with a carb heavy diet. If your teeth are healthy, nutritious carbohydrates appear benign.
Recommendations for basic tooth health:
1. Mitigate acidity: rinse your mouth after eating, brush a while later.
2. Increase mineral content: eat plenty of vitamin and mineral rich substances.
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According to Weston Price even the traditional Inuit had (very few) cavities on a virtually sugar free diet.
You make a very interesting point there.
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There are many ethnic groups which eat a high proportion of carbs and have good tooth health.
I have noticed that many people from Africa have fantastic looking teeth, very bright and strait; their diets consist primarily of cereal-based carbohydrates augmented by a little fish, meat, or dairy.
According to Weston Price even the traditional Inuit had (very few) cavities on a virtually sugar free diet. The Scots of the Hebrides had almost the same low instances of cavities as the Inuit, even though the Scots consumed plenty of carbohydrates from oats.
It appears that nutrient intake has a very strong correlation with tooth health, even with a carb heavy diet. If your teeth are healthy, nutritious carbohydrates appear benign.
Recommendations for basic tooth health:
1. Mitigate acidity: rinse your mouth after eating, brush a while later.
2. Increase mineral content: eat plenty of vitamin and mineral rich substances.
Eating whole grains also did not adversely affect tooth rebuilding for me as long as they were cooked healthfully. For me it was not so much what I ate as what I did not eat.
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What do you mean by carbs exactly? When I was rebuilding my teeth I couldn't eat SUGAR at any cost, but could eat all the fruit and vegetables that I wanted and were good for my body as a whole and it didn't interfere with the rebuilding. Sugar and carbs to me are different things. I think the trick is to eat what is ideal for you as an individual.
Dorothy, what do you mean by rebuilding your teeth? I would definitely appreciate advice on how to improve my teeth. I have composite fillings on 12 of them and sensitivities on all of them. I also blame these for neck tensions and jaw problems. I read somewhere that some people even found ways to have their teeth fill the hole occupied by the filling and see the fillings themselves sort of been expelled from the tooth. All of that through proper nutrition only. Did you have a similar experience?
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I wonder if the Inuit's cavities might be from the glucose that their bodies produced from protein. Or, maybe the high protein did mess up the mineral balance in their bodies a little, weakening their ability to rebuild their teeth.
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Glucose and Tooth Health
According to the traditional model of tooth decay: Lactic acid is produced from bacteria in the mouth. The acid slowly leaches out minerals from the teeth which become cavities over time. It is the acid rather than the sugar which erodes the teeth. Fortunately saliva is a base which can neutralize the acids and deliver nutrients to remineralize the teeth.
With the above model it appears unlikely that blood glucose will acidify and cause cavities.
Importance of Nutrients
Dr. Price mentioned an interesting study which demonstrated the importance of good nutrition and the vitamins A and K on salivary health. When vitamins A and K were administered, L.acidophilous colonies decreased from 323,000 to 15,000 per cubic centimeter, approximately a 95% decrease! The treatment also included minerals and a reduced proportion of carbohydrates. I think the acid producing organisms could be further reduced by rinsing the mouth after eating.
Increasing the building factors (minerals, vitamins, etc.) and decreasing in the breakdown factors (bacteria, acids, etc.) will result in a net increase of teeth mineralization.
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Glucose and Tooth Health
According to the traditional model of tooth decay: Lactic acid is produced from bacteria in the mouth. The acid slowly leaches out minerals from the teeth which become cavities over time. It is the acid rather than the sugar which erodes the teeth. Fortunately saliva is a base which can neutralize the acids and deliver nutrients to remineralize the teeth.
With the above model it appears unlikely that blood glucose will acidify and cause cavities.
But those bacteria have to be eating something to produce the acid, the acid is basically their excrement. No food=no excrement. What could the bacteria be eating, on a zero-carb diet? They can't produce excrement without eating something.
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Dorothy, what do you mean by rebuilding your teeth? I would definitely appreciate advice on how to improve my teeth. I have composite fillings on 12 of them and sensitivities on all of them. I also blame these for neck tensions and jaw problems. I read somewhere that some people even found ways to have their teeth fill the hole occupied by the filling and see the fillings themselves sort of been expelled from the tooth. All of that through proper nutrition only. Did you have a similar experience?
Yes, when eating properly for me I had two filling fall out and the inside of the tooth built up inside again - a layer inside - growing. My diet went down hill after hurricanes, moving, contractor horrors, family catastrophes - and so did my teeth with it. Finally after many years stress and difficulties are abating and proper diet will finally be able to fully embraced again and hoping that teeth will benefit once again. One of the things that I realized is that when I am eating the diet that is right for me, shoulder blade, neck and jaw tension all go away. The stomach meridian runs along the teeth. It's about proper energy flow. I think that the proper diet is going to be different for different people. I think what gives stress to the digestive system can be different things. That's why there is no one recipe. If you eat something you are allergic to or which your body does not want or cannot process well - that's going to stress out the whole system - including the teeth. If you are under high stress that's also going to have an effect. That's why I have a long way to climb back now. But I know it's possible from my earlier experiences.
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Yes, when eating properly for me I had two filling fall out and the inside of the tooth built up inside again - a layer inside - growing.
Very interesting. What are the best foods for teeth according to you? Are you 100% raw? Do you eat dairy? Many say bone stock is great for teeth but that's not raw. Have you tried it?
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Redmeat - again I would say that the most important thing is to eat what is best for YOU as an individual - what does not mess up your stomach meridian energy, what doesn't zap your reserves, what feeds you and your particular needs the best.
When I was rebuilding my teeth I was a vegan - most of the time raw and often very high raw - but I certainly wouldn't recommend that to anyone as a way to regrow teeth!
First think about taking the stress off of your body and system. How can you do that best? What do you digest the easiest? What foods makes you feel the best physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually? Those are the foods that are going to rebuild your teeth because your teeth regrow when you are eating what makes you the most healthy. The teeth are an indicator of your vitality, meridians flowing properly and your nutrient uptake and stores. It's not always the details of what you are putting in - but how much you are using, how well what you do have digests and how well you can get rid of what you don't need. This might change over the course of your life as well. There is no one diet for growing teeth back just like there is no one ideal diet for everyone. Some people do well on more meat, some more fat, some more fruit, some more veggies etc. etc. I don't think you have to have any one particular thing. Some particular thing might help you as an individual - but I'm afraid that you will have to experiment with yourself to find out what that might be. For me as an individual, I seemed always to need a lot of fat - always - even as a vegan. I mean - not a lot compared to the general cooked SAD high fat diet - I mean - avocados are one of my favorite foods, I've always used oils and eaten soaked and dehydrated nuts - and now I can get my fat needs taken care of more easily with raw animal fats. We'll just have to see over time how my teeth react. For me the one key is to never ever ever eat processed sugars. Those are deadly for me. Whole grains - fine. Fruit - fine. Raw honey - fine. Agave nectar, cane sugar, white breads and especially white sugar all hurt my teeth almost instantly - because they hurt my energy instantly. It's almost like I'm allergic to them or something. Diabetes runs in my family and the one thing that helped my health more than anything was giving up all that fake sweet stuff. As long as I didn't eat that my teeth did well. Again - that is totally just me - the basics of what my body reacts the best and worst to. It's all about finding out what makes your stomach, your digestion, your energy the strongest.
Oh - and I did try bone stock and it made me feel sick. All cooked fats seem to make me weaker rather than stronger - and raw fats make me feel stronger. If there is one thing that I really need to concentrate on eating raw it's fat... as much as I possibly can, within the context of my overall life, circumstances and goals.
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That is so interesting Dorothy!
I am hoping that my two cavities remineralize, but they have fillings on top of them so I dunno if they will or not. Either way, i need to get the nasty amalgam fillings removed sometime in the near future.
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That is so interesting Dorothy!
I am hoping that my two cavities remineralize, but they have fillings on top of them so I dunno if they will or not. Either way, i need to get the nasty amalgam fillings removed sometime in the near future.
You planning on just getting them removed or also replaced with something less harmful? I want to get my amalgam fillings removed sometime too when I can afford it, but I don't know if I should replace them or just leave the teeth with a big hole in and hope it remineralizes and doesn't get infected.
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I'm wondering the same thing, Haai....:-S
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When my teeth were filling in I had a couple of dentists willing to take out all my other fillings and watch them grow in too -- it had to be pretty interesting right? But I'm really glad that it never felt quite right to do it because the hurricanes and then the contractors hit and the two teeth that had been growing back that had naturally lost their fillings went down-hill very fast. I had ruptured the ligaments in my knee (accident at the gym and gardening) then 3 hurricanes, then contractor tortures and then Mom - one thing after another left me many years unable to eat what I needed to eat. The hurricanes and me with a walker and unable to get my own food though were the thing that really took my teeth down fast. I've decided that the number one evil kind of food preparation that will take your health down the fastest is microwaving. The best I was able to get was supposedly healthy foods that were heated in a microwave. Those two teeth that were unfilled crumbled down so fast on that food. The only thing that could have been worse would have been processed sugar I think. It amazed me that I was still able to heal up my knee naturally with no surgery on that junk. Herbs can do amazing things.
If you guys want to experiment - have only one amalgam taken out on a back tooth (maybe a wisdom tooth?) and hopefully a small cavity and have it filled with a temporary filling and then let that filling fall out on its own. Having that decayed material removed like they do when preparing for a temporary filling seems to help.
But ...... I would never do that unless you felt amazing. You should have enough energy to run non-stop without ever having to stop because you can't do any more. You should be able to pick up heavy weights just because you are naturally strong - not because you work out. You should wake up in the morning filled with energy. You should be naturally happy and bounce through your day. You should feel a little bit like you are in love all the time no matter who you are with or where you are. Your food should be a delight to you and there should be no aches and pains in your body and you should be quite flexible. Of course you should never have cold or the flu when others do around you - you should be able to be in a whole ward of sick people and be fine. That's what being healthy and having meridians open is like and that's what it takes to re-grow teeth I think.
Get all that set up for yourself and then it might be worth experimenting with your teeth. If you do experiment - if it doesn't work and you can't seem to get your diet pinpointed to where it does - then there is really no shame in having some fillings. It's not really the most important goal in one's life and having decay is a real bitch let me tell you. There is almost nothing that hurts more than when teeth really break down and it's so distracting and infections in the teeth are more difficult to reverse than most infections and can do more harm I think. So - don't chance it until you feel totally wonderful and feel like that feeling is likely to be something that you can maintain. I guess you can't always predict hurricanes - but you know what I mean - it is most prudent to feel stable in your health and prospects for health in the future I think before experimenting with the more esoteric indicators of health when the experimentation could possibly be harmful. It is a natural progression I think. For me, my body felt so good that it through out those old fillings and grew new ones back. I felt so strong at the time that I could trust that process. It was natural - not forced.
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Hi Dorthy
I have femoral avulsion fracture from my ACL and a medial meniscus tear in the inner 1/3, where it supposedly cannot heal. I want to run and jump again so badly. I'm setting up a consult for surgery 2/28. I'm going to try a Chinese medicine poultice for 3 days first. What happened to your knee? Do you think it can heal? I don't know why I believe that I can heal diabetes, and nearsightedness, but I have so little faith that I can heal my knee.
I have said I would rather die than get surgery. I feel like the universe threw this in my face to make me more humble. It worked -[
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Hi Adora,
I used a particular herb to heal called comfrey - aka knit-bone. It's called knit-bone because, well, it's amazing at knitting bones and cartilages back together. I made a poultice and took small amounts internally.
BUT, BUT, BUT - comfrey has been pretty much banned because of some stupid study using outrageous amounts on mice.
The thing is that it is hard on the liver. So....... I took MORE milk thistle herb than I took comfrey - and again - used mostly poultice. I'm used to meditating on such things and I'm used to using herbs. My liver is kind of sensitive - but with the proper herbal precautions I had no ill effects - just healing. I would never recommend it internally if the person couldn't talk to their liver like I do. ;)
But, but, but again - I had to stay very, very still a very, very long time. You should have seen the look on the woman's face who helped me get all my Mom's equipment when I asked her for a brace and a walker. She told me out right that I simply could not heal and basically that I was a lunatic and I should go and get surgery. It took about a half a year before I could go back and do some deep knee bends and jumps for her. ;) I had to stay in bed for months. And that darn hurricane had to happen right smack in the middle of it all!
Sometimes surgery really is the way to go. Sometimes it can make other parts of life easier and sometimes it doesn't make sense to go through everything you have to to heal naturally and sometimes - you really just can't. Only you can really know. Again - there is no shame in it - especially when you make the decision from an informed and enlightened place.
I'm healing my eyes now too. When my Mom was sick I didn't realize that my driver's license expired. I'm taking using the opportunity to heal up the ol' eyeballs since now I can go without putting on my glasses. I've been wanting to do that for decades. It's great fun to see things go from blurry to clear to blurry to clear. Now I can see well enough without glasses and can't put on my glasses either because my eyes have changed. The change all depends on if I do my healings on myself or not. It's one of the things I've been having issues with - getting myself to do that. I almost kinda forget about it. I get excited about other things instead. Maybe you can help remind me. Whenever I check in here, maybe I can think of you and that will remind me to do some healing on my eyes.
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Are you doing anything else to heal your eyes besides just not wearing glasses, Dorothy? Do you know what your prescription was? My eyes are pretty bad (-5 and -6 with astigmatism in both)--without glasses or contacts (which I usually wear) I can only see about 6 inches in front of my face clearly. I've worn glasses since 1st or 2nd grade I think.
I'd really love to be able to at least partially heal my eyesight. I have heard from random places that wearing prescription glasses to correct your vision actually can make it worse. My eyes haven't changed in the past couple years, but up until then they would get worse every year by a little.
Oh how nice it would be to be able to just SEE, right away in the morning!
I also heard about something called sungazing (from Al I think) that is supposed to help heal your eyes, but you have to do it at at certian times (I think just after sunrise or before sunset) without glasses or contacts, and with my job there just isn't any way I can do that. :-( And I just realized my contacts say they are "UV proof" or something like that!! Which pisses me off, because I think you absorb a lot of sunlight through your eyes, which I'm probably not doing now...stupid things :-S
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I'd really love to be able to at least partially heal my eyesight. I have heard from random places that wearing prescription glasses to correct your vision actually can make it worse. My eyes haven't changed in the past couple years, but up until then they would get worse every year by a little.
Oh how nice it would be to be able to just SEE, right away in the morning!
I also heard about something called sungazing (from Al I think) that is supposed to help heal your eyes, but you have to do it at at certian times (I think just after sunrise or before sunset) without glasses or contacts, and with my job there just isn't any way I can do that.
I actually sungaze at all hours of the day. If you are doing it closer to noon, just start out looking near the sun, instead of directly at it.
I have also heard pinhole glasses are good for your vision.
Tyler Durden has used the Bates vision improvement method, with some success, I think.
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I wrote a really long response about healing of the eyes, but my screen is tiny so I can't see when what I wrote didn't post without scrolling - so since Cherimoya posted while I was writing and I hit post and then moved onto another post without scrolling - I lost the whole thing - and now not enough time to recreate! Grrrrr.
Funny I couldn't see something so lost my post on sight.
Maybe it was not meant to be... or maybe I should pm you instead later.
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oh wow, that's ironic... I hate it when you write out a nice long post, and lose it GRRR! You can PM me if you want though.
I'll have to look up that Bates method...
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Oh Dorthy please post the PM you wrote about eyesight.
I will happily encourage you to work on your eyes and all other healing pursuits. I live for that stuff.
I am working on my eyes too I have -4.5left eye and -4right.
Sile - I sun gaze. Sometimes I do it with my contacts, glasses, out of tinted windows anytime of day and I don't have problems. I really like it for my soul and it feels amazing to have so much light entering my eyes, but it hasn't improved my vision. I think it can't really heal until my BS is perfect. I suggest just doing it whenever. It is better than nothing, but the best is in a sublime spot, barefoot on ground. The time of day matters a ton, but do does your energy level. How much light you've been getting lately. So, like Cherimoya said, start off looking a little off to the side, or part blocking it with your hand. Feel the sun's light entering your eyes does it feel good to you in that moment? Do you want more?
That's the harder question for me, because my head and heart always want more, but my eyes aren't always comfortable. If my eyes start to squint, I think it is to much in that moment for them, so I try to find a loving happy point. Usually I close them and look at the sun, which also feels good and never hurts. If you look at the sun through tree leaves or needles it is usually comfortable direct. I feel like it could damage my eyes if I wasn't paying attention to my eyes comfort level. But I haven't noticed a problem from my glasses or contacts, I don't know if they are UV and if that might block the eyes ability to monitor what is "good" for them.
OK back to Dorthy
About my knee. I have comfrey. I love it and I drink tons of it. I only use the leaf though, I like Susun Weed, she claims that the leaf is safe. I hadn't been drinking it until I found out it was an avulsion fx. I didn't know it helped ligaments too. I could make a poultice out of the dried leaf or root. Could you give me more specifics about your poultices? Did you mix it with oils? Did you make a strong tea and dip a wrap into that? Also, what do you mean about not moving much? I realized running was a bad idea for now, but what about bike, or yoga, leg lifts. PT said to make my muscles strong to protect it, so I thought I was doing a good thing.
Whatever my results ( I hope for amazing) I love this forum. It changes everything. I have never had so much fun, and felt as supported in healing as I have since I joined this forum. I hope I can help others more too, with what I'm learning.
Thank you, thank you, thank you to all forum members, I'm closing my eyes tonight with my heart full of gratitude.
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Adora - I used the cloth dipped in tea and wrapped my knee. In my case I knew that I needed to keep the knee as immobile as possible until those ligaments re-stitched themselves back together. I put no weight on it at all, stayed in bed, then used a walker with a serious brace, for a long time until my body could heal itself fully. I don't know about your injury though. That's what I knew I needed. It was a little like putting a broken bone into a cast. Homeopathic arnica montana 30c also helped a great deal because I took it at the moment of the injury. That gets less effective as time goes on. After I healed up the injury completely - then I did muscle building and running again.
When taking care of my Mom by myself 24 hours a day for all that time I got a back injury because I had to bend over and move her and do what 2 people really were supposed to do by myself. When she got a bit better then she started to try to "help" which caused the injury as she would jerk suddenly and at one point I couldn't stand up straight at all. I could have healed myself pretty fast if I could have rested - but because it was either put Mom in a nursing home (where she would have been dead very quickly in a way that was she most didn't want to die) or just take drugs myself for the pain and keep on going - I decided to keep on going. Because I did not lay down and let my body heal - it took what I thought to be a long time later to heal up my back later. The process was more tenuous and not as strong. It's still in process. It's like now it's not only one muscle that has to be healed up, but all the other muscles all around that adapted to the wrong positioning. Does that make sense? If I laid down right away, I would have just had to fix one thing, but now I feel like I have re-educate my entire muscular system. If I tried to do too much activity even now before that re-education, I feel like I would just imbed the incorrect patterning more fully. Instead, I sped my time re-educating, stretching, moving carefully and consciously and processing the emotions that corresponded to the injury. My body will tell me when it wants to do more lifting, running and building again. Right now though, my body tells me that it needs me to be gentle, slow and nurturing. It all depends on what your body tells you.
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oh wow, that's ironic... I hate it when you write out a nice long post, and lose it GRRR! You can PM me if you want though.
I'll have to look up that Bates method...
I'm going to write up my response somewhere else and then copy it here - since Adora would like to know too - so I won't lose it again. But I can't do that until later - as I am out of time .
But I thought about my eyes much more yesterday and did healing on them more. It's so good to have this reminder here!
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Yes, I do try to look at the sun whenever I can, in spite of what time it is and whether I'm wearing contacts or not. I usually try to open the window, if I'm looking through one (like my car window, when I'm driving to work). I always run outside in the snow, barefoot, whenever it is sunny lately. In the summer I did it almost every morning; just ran outside and stood in the grass and let the sun shine on me...feels so great! I sometimes do it with my eyes closed; that I can do for any amount of time without discomfort. When the sun is really bright, I squint through my lashes or look through a tree or look away often.
I haven't noticed any improvement in my eyesight yet either, but I'm sure it will come, and most likely after I'm able to do some sungazing with out glasses or contacts.
Maybe I'll start going out in the morning before I put my contacts in...
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Ok - here are some basics of what I wanted to say:
With full power glasses it's almost impossible to heal as the glasses do make your eyes worse. People will getter lower and lower prescriptions - usually just to what they need to be allowed to drive.
If you can Sile - try to wear only your glasses instead of contacts and get a lower prescription and then take off the glasses and hold your face to the sun with your eyes closed. Your retinas will still benefit.
What I do, and pretty much all that I have done, is gotten rid of my glasses and allowed myself to make friends with my limitations. Then, I do healing on my own eyes. If I do this often enough my eyes improve. My eyes no longer hurt without the glasses, my eyesight is better, but not quite good enough consistently to drive yet. My eyes change fast - it's interesting - back and forth. If I can do healing on myself enough - I see.
More later........
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Dorthy this is good info. I am due for glasses and contacts, so now I'm thinking of getting glasses just enough for driving. I get head aches, it will be a tough transition, but it is good to know what has helped you and think about what is reasonable for me to do now.
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I didn't get new glasses for so long thinking all the time - oh - I'm going to be healing my eyes....... l) But in retrospect this was very good because I never did any further damage by increases them - even if it was needed - but I have no clue because..... I didn't test them. I used the same prescription for at least 25 years.
You see eyes naturally change all the time, so say when you go to the doctor you are having a tired bad eye day and get the "fattest" prescription - when - then you are training your eyes to be at their worst. You need to leave room for your eyes to naturally improve on their own if they should want to.
At the very least have them step it down a notch instead of put it up a notch. It might give you pains like I had taking off my glasses when trying to look into the distance - but your eyes will then have to WORK to adjust instead of get flabby and lazy. The aching stopped. But I really had to make friends with the blur. This was important psychologically as well as physically. Did you know if someone has a split personality one personality might have to have dense glasses and the other none? So much of sight is in perception - the brain - not the eye itself.
But without lowering your prescription it's pretty darn near impossible to improve your eyes with or without exercises or sunbathing them or whatever. It's why I put off working on my eyes so long - I just couldn't go without driving or movies - there - I admitted it. :P
I now can go to movies and watch tv fine without glasses. It's nice. I only really had to give them up a few days it ended up being. Funny that.
I'm going to go and work on my eyes now. This is good. You guys when you see me on-line ask me if I did my eyes! Every little bit helps.
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Thank you thank you!! :-)
This is great that we can motivate eachother here!
I was also going to get a new pair of glasses soon...but maybe I'll hold off. My old ones have an older and less-strong prescription; the only problem is the lenses are very scratched up. So maybe I should just get new lenses in them, in the same old prescription...that would definetly be more affordable than a whole new pair of glasses! Now, if I can figure out what my old prescription was...:-S I hope the store I bought them from still has it or can tell by looking at my old lenses.
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They can tell from the old lenses - that's why I could not buy new prescriptions for so long. ;)
If you are going to concentrate on improving your eyesight though, if you want to give them room to get better - the prescription should be reduced a little. You need room to improve in. You don't want to just stay at where your old ones were.
But..... if you aren't ready or serious about it yet, then probably just staying where you are is a good idea..... I mean..... that is what I would do..... and did. Maybe just talk to your unconscious about keeping your eyes at that prescription. It's really your unconscious and subconscious that decide how you see.... what they say about improving the muscles in your eyes by exercising the muscles to get them stronger is simply not true. Those muscles are so strong, exercising won't do anything. What the muscles need to do is RELAX. That's the ticket. Relaxation and movement. People with bad eyes stare. You need to reach out and move to and with your environment. The more you relax and move, the better your eyesight will become. That's why it was so important for me to relax into the blurr - not to strain.
Yawning helps too. Truly! It relaxes the eye muscles. Breathing is real good. Oxygen - ease. Being at ease in the world. Reaching out to your world and moving around it with your eyes. If I relax and change my relationship with my outside world pulling it in gently and caressing it with my eyes - my sight improves. But.... it's a very different way of being. Nice, but different, and takes getting used to. If I put my hands on my eyes and do healing enough - then my eyes just change no matter how I attempt to be in the world the rest of the time - but that's my own little thing. ;)
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I thought I read a sungazing advocate recommending only gazing at the sun during times when it's less strong, especially sunrise?
There's also this cautionary tale:
Dwinell, a former Olympic hopeful in ski jumping and cross-country skiing, found that his goal, to stare at the sun for 44 minutes, had high social and physical costs. His girlfriend broke up with him and he had to explain to people why he hadn't eaten for a month.
At one point, he had his eyes examined at the UCLA's Jules Stein Medical Center. The examination revealed that he had burned his macula, a small and highly sensitive part of the retina that allows people to see detail and perform tasks like reading.
http://www.marinij.com/lifestyles/ci_13457606 (http://www.marinij.com/lifestyles/ci_13457606)
And one breatharian sungazer starved herself to death:
Woman 'starved herself to death'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/453661.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/453661.stm)
"Ms Linn's writing's revealed she had practised "breatharianism" - a survival method which relies on light and taking only tiny amounts of food and liquid."
Why wouldn't indirect sunlight be plenty sufficient instead of just standing there staring at the sun? I've never seen a hunter-gatherer just standing still staring at the sun. And I've certainly never seen a hunter-gatherer claim he didn't need to hunt and eat any more because he could get all his energy from the sun. I suspect that most or all HGs would consider that cockamamie.
I almost never yawn, regardless of how much sleep I get, as long as I stay strict raw Paleo and limit fruits to what I can handle, which means mainly berries and fresh figs in moderate quantities. I even tested this once by staying up all night and still not yawning the next day. I used to yawn quite frequently on a standard American diet. I was shocked by this change because I assumed like most people that yawning was due solely to being tired, but I do remember hearing years ago some scientist claim that yawning could be related to insufficient oxygenation and that yawning was a means by which the body was trying to bring in more oxygen. That doesn't seem to explain why lions yawn, though perhaps they do it for different reasons than humans. :shrug:
I also find that by testing the various carby foods one by one I could find which ones cause me the least dental and other problems. So far, raw fermented honey, carrots, parsnips, berries and fresh figs seem like my best carbs. Raw fermented honey is the only carby food that has actually provided me with any noticeable benefits so far--my skin and hair improve when I eat it. It's so ironic, because I've never seen anyone recommend it, whereas lately many cooked Paleos and others recommend potatoes, sweet potatoes and rice and many raw Paleos recommend unfermented raw honey that I don't handle well and many raw Paleos and raw vegans and others recommend eating plenty of other tropical fruits like bananas and dates that I don't tolerate well (though I seem to be very gradually improving in my ability to handle fruits like those). What I've found that so far works best for me doesn't match what any of the experts recommend, though some come close, except maybe Seth Roberts, given that he recommends self-experimentation.
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I'm not thinking of eating sunlight just yet. I'm sure I could damage my eyes staring at the sun. I like the term sun gazing. The sun should feel soft and comfortable. I think damage comes by setting goals and thing like that. Go slow and easy. No forcing. I have been doing it for a couple of years. I forced at time thinking I needed more intensity or time, but I never felt good after. I felt tired/drained and my vision was all hazy with color distortion. When I just go easy accepting the way things are I feel light and warmth entering me it can be so beautiful. I haven't noticed an improvement in any ability. Some days are just better than others. The best is achieved with relaxation.
I know I'm pretty much repeating myself.
Dorthy thank you for all your great info. If you haven't done your exercises, do them ASAP.
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Thank you Adora! I just did a few minutes of healing because you reminded me.
My eyesight shifted in a big way yesterday. The sight out of my right eye was almost perfect and sight in general was even better using both eyes, but the left eye was still at the stage of blurr it was the day before. It was so exciting being around in the world reading all the signs! wOOt! Funny how one eye could shift so much like that. Today, I'm better than what has become normal, but not as good as yesterday. My eyesight has been shifting and I have read that's part of the normal healing process.
Ah Phil - I'm basking my face in the sun - but not in order to no longer have to eat or anything like that! I spend too much time indoors and I had read an eyesight improvement expert recommend closing one's eyes (not open) to bathe the retina in light through the eyelids. I also, when I'm outside, for my short periods feeding the cats, like to look up and around the sun only when the sun is weak - watching the sunset. It's quite lovely. It feels nice to my eyes.
The retina needs sunlight and like with vitamin D we tend to starve ourselves of these things in our modern world. Of course a HG wouldn't consciously try to look up - it would be part of their every day life - just like a HG would never go on a treadmill or workout with weights - and there are better ways to get exercise than that - more like a HG would - but it's still better to do some kind of exercise rather than nothing. It's better for my eyes to get a good shot of warmth and light than none at all. I haven't been out all day, so I concentrate my time with the sun putting my eyes up to it.
I'm not by any means suggesting that anyone should go staring into the mid day sun and stop eating. I close my eyes when the sun is up and open them when it's safe to look.
I heard of that woman starving herself to death. Duh. The cynical side of my personality says, "Darwin awards anyone?" My compassionate side says, "Poor gullible soul".
Maybe I should put a note out there to potential breatharian aspirants: If you are trying to become a breatharian wouldn't it happen completely naturally? Why TRY to not eat? If you do try........ if you start losing weight and get weak....... it's obvious that you just aren't ready and forcing it kinda goes opposite to the whole idea doesn't it? How could someone TRAIN to be a breatharian or have it as a goal? I used to read of raw vegans making breatharianism as a goal in 6 months or the like - how silly! That just makes no sense at all. I can't say that no person has ever been a breatharian - I don't know - but to starve yourself because you are trying to become one - just don't do that ok? If you were really ready you just would stop being hungry, keep the same weight and have the same energy levels and health... right?
Good to put out the warnings right Phil?
Phil, you don't know happy I am to see you post Phil! Like a breath of fresh air.
On that note - it's getting close to my time to watch the sunset with my kitties and I have things to get done before that so ...... toodleloo!
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I heard of that woman starving herself to death. Duh. The cynical side of my personality says, "Darwin awards anyone?" My compassionate side says, "Poor gullible soul".
Maybe I should put a note out there to potential breatharian aspirants: If you are trying to become a breatharian wouldn't it happen completely naturally? Why TRY to not eat? If you do try........ if you start losing weight and get weak....... it's obvious that you just aren't ready and forcing it kinda goes opposite to the whole idea doesn't it?
Which is more likely, that there's this magical way of eating sunlight that enables people to miraculously and inexplicably go without food, though no one with an ounce of credibility has observed this (on the contrary, when they observed one breatharian he was wasting away and was approaching death and they had to stop the experiment despite the fact that the poor fellow wanted to continue it right to his death), and despite the fact that humans have been eating food our entire 2.5 million year history, as have every one of our predecessor species back to the tyniest one-celled organism, or that humans need food and naturally lose weight and get weak when we don't eat?
How could someone TRAIN to be a breatharian or have it as a goal? I used to read of raw vegans making breatharianism as a goal in 6 months or the like - how silly! That just makes no sense at all.
Agree with you there. Breatharianism is the wackiest diet fad I've ever heard of. When I first read about it, I thought it was a joke. If Breatharianism is not wacky, then nothing is and anything goes.
I can't say that no person has ever been a breatharian
I can and will, because it might save someone's life. I know you mean well, but breatharianism is by definition dangerous, and if practiced correctly, guaranteed to eventually produce death, as that poor woman found out. It's the only diet I know of that when practiced correctly assures death.
I don't know - but to starve yourself because you are trying to become one - just don't do that ok?
Yeah, why not meditate, chant, commune with nature, smoke ganja, partake of sacred mushrooms, or drink mead rather than starve oneself? What's wrong with those more ancient forms of "becoming one"?
Good to put out the warnings right Phil?
Yuppers.
Phil, you don't know happy I am to see you post Phil! Like a breath of fresh air.
Or the foul smell of rotting flesh, which I actually happen to like at this point, oddly enough (yum, high meat!), not sure which. ;) Thanks Dorothy, m'love!
On that note - it's getting close to my time to watch the sunset with my kitties and I have things to get done before that so ...... toodleloo!
Heh, heh. As a male, I'm not supposed to like kitty cats, but I do. Since I was a boy I learned to mew like they do and they purr and rub against mi ankles, except for one devil cat I encountered. :) Cats are carnivores--killing machines--and they love their freedom and independence, so why shouldn't males like them, I wonder?
I knew a crazy vegetarian who had two cats. You could smell the meat, liver and fish of their cat food throughout much of the house, but if any human cooked meat and he smelled it he went berserk. Quite an odd contradiction. It was one of the clues that helped me realize that there was something amiss with vegetarianism.
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I never discount anything totally Phil - so that if someone from here morphs into a being of higher consciousness never having to eat again and can prove it I won't have egg on my face - which I might anyway since I eat so many eggs and I'm a messy eater. ;) If I ever morph into such a being Phil I can guarantee you that I would never disclose it because then I would be responsible for all the fools that try to starve themselves because they think they can too - bad karma.
My kitties aren't mine at all actually. They are feral cats that chose us/me. My mother was terrified of cats and Brian is very allergic to cats so I never thought I'd have cats around in a million years. Totally foreign creatures. It just so happens that over the last year we've come to love each other much (oh so little by oh so little at a time) to the point that they will not eat unless I give them their massages first. I have them trained not to rub - just for me to rub them down with my hands so that I can wash up and not bring kitty hair inside. Feral cats aren't supposed to purr - but Tuxedo was purring last week during an extra good massage session! The bad side of this is that they were originally feral cats that I fed just to keep them from attacking my chickens and the wild birds - but now that we are a colony together - oy - I want to transfer them onto raw grass-fed meat and that's expensive so hubbie and I are going to probably have a bit of a scuffle over that. l) I'm actually thinking of raising them fish because it will be cheaper. I'm hooked.
I keep on thinking that the kitties must think I'm an amazing huntress or something. I do admit that I've been feeding them the raw suet because that's so cheap anyway. I can't get over what a hoot it is to have chickens, cats and dogs all surrounding me while together all of enjoy a suet snack. Great fun that.
It's all because of you Phil. Who woulda thunk that I would love suet so much?
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Yeah, it's not so much in the tasting as in the feeling it produces. Amazing.
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Oh - but I love the taste too! But I usually love the taste of things that make me feel really good. The more I need something, the better it usually tastes to me.
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What about rabbits? They could be raised easy out doors and you could feed them your scraps to make the healthier. Not as good as a grass fed animal, but better than kibble and maybe there is a way to pen them and give them a more natural diet. They could be on wheels in a pen and they could gets roots and grass. Just a thought.
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Adora, that's a real good idea but I won't eat rabbits or let anyone in my house eat rabbits. I have had too many pet rabbits and I'm deeply connected with that species. It would be like eating dog or cat for me - which I also won't do.
I DO want to get an angora rabbit though for it's hair one day. Rabbit poopies also make amazing fertilizer. I'd rather eat the vegetables that the rabbit produces. ;)
But rabbit and chicken and duck (for other people) make a great deal of sense. I'll just use what comes out their back-ends. oh my :o
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But rabbit and chicken and duck (for other people) make a great deal of sense. I'll just use what comes out their back-ends. oh my :o
If you don't eat highmeats, I think ... I'm not too familiar, haven't tried it.
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What about rabbits?
That's a nice tasting animal.
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Shiver.