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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach => Topic started by: Wolf on July 22, 2010, 02:55:15 am
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I just started trying this raw diet, and I'm pretty hungry right now.. there's not much raw stuff to eat in my house right now though, other than eggs, milk, honey, pineapple/mango, and bean sprouts.. honey, milk, fruit, and bean sprouts won't do much on the way of filling me, and I'd rather try and not eat all of the eggs the day after buying them. -\ I kinda gotta moderate how much food I eat so it will last me.
I want to buy some meat to eat before I go to work today, but that's not for about another 4 hours and I don't want to leave now and have 2 - 3 hours of time to just sit around in my car and do nothing but wait for work, and the stores are too far away for me to just go and get my meat then come home. I also can't keep raw meat around, because my dad will freak if he finds out I'm eating raw meat.
So is there anything more convenient and a bit more socially acceptable that you guys keep around to snack on? I usually go through a bit of feast-or-famine phases, and right now I'm in more of a feast stage, where I'm hungry all the time.. it would be nice to have something to snack on all the time, that fits more in the carnivore type diet.. especially since it will also help to prevent me from resorting to processed/cooked foods when I'm really hungry and the raw plant stuff just doesn't seem filling enough and those mac and cheeses start looking mighty tasty..
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since real food is so important to survival, it can become your number 1 or 2 priority after rent, etc.
ya gotta stock up on the essentials. when i go to the farmers market i buy 6 or more dozen pastured eggs. if you have shopped around at all your local fish markets, farmers markets, CSA's, butcher shops, grocery stores, mail order and are still triggered by the cost, ya need to believe that its in your best self-interest to make the money. it becomes a MUST, rather than a should.
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I also can't keep raw meat around, because my dad will freak if he finds out I'm eating raw meat.
Haha, My mom kinda freaked when she found out and I kinda conceal it now. I dont know about raw food snacks that wouldnt let your dad notice, but my advice would be to get smart on how there's no way you can be harmed by raw food. Did you read Aajonus Vonderplanits books yet? He explains a lot in there how actually cooked foods render you more susceptable to parasites and disease than raw food. Bottom line is that 90% of people already have parasites in them anyway so this raw diet actually rids you of parasites. Parasites only feed on degenerative tissue (they're are actually good for you most of the time) and toxins. They are the janitors of the earth. Once you become healthy and have less toxicity, there is not need for them. Also, be sure to buy grass fed meat. Aajonus says it doesnt matter, but because grain feeding cattle can change their stomachs so that ecoli can flourish, Id stay away from anything but grassfed. Most people who ever got sick from meat was from grainfed, and it is nearly impossible to get sick from grassfed.
Look on the bright side, just like me, before you know it you'll live on your own and have the freedom to eat whatever you want. I cant wait till about 8 months from now when I live on my own.
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Yeah, it would be nice if I could live on my own and eat the way I want, but the fact is that I just don't make enough money.. I rely on my dad for a roof over my head and food in the fridge.. The majority of the money I make goes into paying my other bills. Unfortunately it's probably impossible to convince him to switch to an all raw or even all organic diet.. he's still very much SAD and even eats fast food sometimes.
I haven't read any books about this really, just been searching stuff up on the web a lot. If you have like an online version of his books, I could take a look.
I never really thought eating things raw could really cause people to get sick.. I mean, animals eat everything raw all the time, so why shouldn't humans?
Grass-fed meat is something of a problem, though, I can't seem to find anywhere that has it, and even checking sites online don't show any grass-fed farms anywhere around me. Organic will probably be the best I can find, if I can even find it..
I do know a store where I can get never-frozen corn-fed beef, though.. I think that's a bit better than the commercial grain-fed? I'm not sure. I'm going to try checking another store today, though.
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since real food is so important to survival, it can become your number 1 or 2 priority after rent, etc.
ya gotta stock up on the essentials. when i go to the farmers market i buy 6 or more dozen pastured eggs. if you have shopped around at all your local fish markets, farmers markets, CSA's, butcher shops, grocery stores, mail order and are still triggered by the cost, ya need to believe that its in your best self-interest to make the money. it becomes a MUST, rather than a should.
yes, I totally agree, what is more important than diet along with proper sleep?
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I never really thought eating things raw could really cause people to get sick.. I mean, animals eat everything raw all the time, so why shouldn't humans?
Such a simple thing to understand and almost all people dont understand it. Yes we are the only species that eats cooked food. If that isnt the best reason to go raw, what is? After all, 99.9% of scientific testing is done on animals. According to science, we are biologically the same as an animal. We have a heart, respiratory system, brain, spine, hormones, etc... Hell, we are even much the same as bugs are, thats why people who use pesticides are idiots thinking that its not going to effect our fertility. By the way, fertility is the main reason I do this diet, the future is grim for having kids unless people go raw.
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Lol, if the future is grim for having kids, then why there so many teen and unwanted pregnancies?
and anyways, I see infertility in humans as a good thing. They're already overpopulating and destroying this planet, maybe they'll actually be the cause of their own decline and finally balance things out.
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Lol, if the future is grim for having kids, then why there so many teen and unwanted pregnancies?
and anyways, I see infertility in humans as a good thing. They're already overpopulating and destroying this planet, maybe they'll actually be the cause of their own decline and finally balance things out.
ahh, and thats where youve got it right. The government doesnt want the world to be overpopulated and lose natural resources. In fact it is a big conspiracy that the government purposely encourages lowering th population through vaccines, soy, and other estrogens. Henry kissinger was appointed to deal with the population issue in the mid 1900's and found that vaccines were the best way. Now vaccines cause a wealth of issues such as autism, alzheimers, and many others.
The teen pregnancies is a good point but its not that simple, that can be explained through societal changes and the degredation of our values. Also, with the amount of estrogen being consumed these days girls are maturing faster than ever. The average first period used to be 14yo, now its 9yo. And you see even 5th grade girls with breasts now.
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then why there so many teen and unwanted pregnancies?
I think teen pregnancy is the original paleolithic way of human reproduction. The ones who did teenage parenting were our ancestors.
Today's anti-teen pregnancy crap is a civilized fabrication to cover up for the intense poverty our money system has enslaved us all.
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Re early breast development, early maturation, when the body senses its lifespan is shorter, it will try to reproduce earlier.
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I didn't mean the teen pregnancy thing as against younger pregnancies or anything, not trying to bring up a moral issue or anything, I just mean you see a lot more of them now than you used to (I think, at least according to my parents.) so in a sense it seems like pregnancies have gone up so far as to extend even into younger generations, meaning more babies are being born rather than less. (so it seems) but that's all just speculation, and I have no idea what the real statistics are.
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goodsamaritan's got a point, back in the day it was normal to be pregnant say 15, 16yo. In fact, I think I read it produces healthier babies, but I dont know.
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Actually teen pregnancies are far rarer than portrayed. You see, female fertility only goes up dramatically at the age of around 20, when the female hips widen and full physical maturity is reached . Before that point, teenaged women are far less fertile than older women in their 20s.
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Yeah, and it is true that some women are maturing unnaturally fast nowadays due to too much xeno estrogen. Girls are haveing their first period at 9yo!
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Snacks are for hungry, puffy carb-eaters. Mega-meat meals once or at most 2x a day is for lean, muscular carnivores.
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Well, I agree, but sometimes I'll eat up to 4x a day of meat.
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Well for the passed few days I've been eating pretty much nothing but meat and eggs, with some fruit here and there, but I was still continuously hungry..
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maybe your body is just soaking it all in because meat should satiate you and make you full. Are you eating enough fat? Fat triggers the signal in your stomach leptin that tells your brain you're full.
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Yeah, I'm probably not eating enough fat, but I can't find any just pure fat ANYWHERE.. I've really been wanting to try bone marrow, but I can't find it at all, nor any suet, tallow, back fat, or anything of the sort.. I was thinking of trying to add butter and/or cheese to my diet as a fat substitute, even though I know I won't be able to find any raw grass-fed butter/cheese anywhere, so it would have to be pasteurized butter/cheese, or whatever they do to it, though I know I can find some organic unsalted butter..
the best amount of fat I could find was on an organic new york strip steak that were fed a "100% vegetarian diet" though I don't know what that means, but it did say they were free range and allowed to eat grass.. there was a mighty nice strip of fat along the side of the steak, and it was pretty expensive to buy it, but the fat was delicious though there was hardly enough. I don't know that it helped me feel any fuller or not, though, because I ate it on a day I didn't have much else to eat so I was hungry all day anyways.
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finding suet is easy and its free. Go to whole foods and since most of the meat is already grass fed there your fine. Ask the butcher there for strictly grass fed fat. They'll be happy to give it to ya free of charge as they usually throw the fat away. Ill warn, you, eating straight fat is not the most appealing and it is hard to chew and sometimes sticks to the teeth, however you dont have to chew the fat much, just swallow it.
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the nearest whole foods to me is about 25 miles away in a city I've never even heard the name of before..
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Twenty five miles is far? Also, you might want to ask for bones instead of marrow.
Hey Pioneer, isn't Wholefoods grain-finished?
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to drive to everyday or even every other day, yes it's far.. it's also in the completely opposite direction from both my work and my school, and I also do not drive on freeways which seems to be the only way of getting there.
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Twenty five miles is far? Also, you might want to ask for bones instead of marrow.
Hey Pioneer, isn't Wholefoods grain-finished?
I think some is and some isnt. Some packages say 100% grassfed, never grain or antibiotics. Others say 100% grassfed til finishing. So it is a gamble. If I were you wolf, Id op for finding a local grassfed meat supplier. I found a farmer that sells it 100% grassfed, never grainfed, and that is the only source I buy from. But sometimes i get free fat from the butcher at whole foods.
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Better grainfed, organic meat than anything else save grassfed meat. That is food.
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Better grainfed, organic meat than anything else save grassfed meat. That is food.
There I would have to disagree. I find raw grainfed meat to be mostly useless and debilitating and prefer eating raw, nonorganic fruit or raw organic, free-range eggs instead, if no wild game etc. is available.
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There I would have to disagree. I find raw grainfed meat to be mostly useless and debilitating and prefer eating raw, nonorganic fruit or raw organic, free-range eggs instead, if no wild game etc. is available.
This is true. I cannot eat grains, I am allergic to corn and wheat. Eating grainfed meat gives me the same allergic reaction as if I were to eat grains. Completely different food.
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I actually found a couple good cheeses, though not the best, but I found some sharp cheddar that was made with grass-fed milk, though it was pasteurized, and I also found this other weird cheese that was made with raw cow's milk but didn't say it was grass-fed, and I bought both of them. I had less luck with butter, the best I could find was just organic unsalted, but it's pasteurized. I also found some cod liver oil, too!
I also think that fasting for that one day must have helped regulate me out or something, because I wasn't quite as ravenously hungry yesterday as I've usually been.. either that, or the cheese and butter really helped, even though I didn't eat much more than a few little nibbles.
The only 100% grass-fed meat I've found is 85/15 ground beef at trader joe's, though ground beef is pretty mushy and hardly feels solid in my stomach.. but they also have some organic free-range steaks, fed a "100% vegetarian diet" though I don't know what that means, they could still be fed grains, and then there's some pretty fresh corn-fed beef at the fresh&easy near my work, though I don't think it's organic. As for finding any fat or marrow, I'd probably only be able to find pure grain-fed.. is grain-fed marrow bad to eat? I'm not allergic to grains or anything, except that I suspect my acne might be caused by grains though I am not for sure yet, but I don't think grain-fed meat would affect it much since I've eaten rare-cooked steaks at regular restaurants, which most likely use grain-fed steak, and it didn't cause anything to get worse.
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Some people are so hypersensitive to grains that any grainfed meats can be a serious problem. if you can't get hold of raw grassfed meats at any 1 time, then go in for raw wildcaught foods like raw wild hare or raw scallops or raw mackerel etc. as they are even higher in nutrients than raw grassfed meats and often easier to get hold of. Or buy krill oil from Mercola.com
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What is the deal with this krill oil I keep hearing about? For many months I have been 100% natural and no supplements. I dont think we need supplements at all, and fish oil has been proven to be a problem, especially with the biological accumulation, and the mislabeling done by the manufacturers saying that there were no PCB's, heavy metals, or Dioxins, when there actually was. I like Dr. Mercola a lot even though he is not RPD, but do you honestly think that krill oil is any different than the heavily marketed fish oil. Also, why should we need to take this stuff if we are on a raw diet and get plenty of omega 3/6 in the perfect ratios from our raw food?
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I have some cod liver oil that I just bought yesterday, though I agree with you pioneer, I don't think we should have to take supplements.. we should get what we need from what we eat. Cod liver oil sounded pretty natural to me though, since it still comes from an animal, though now I'm not so sure about the stuff I bought but it was the only stuff I could find. Also when I looked cod liver oil up on nutritiondata.com, it was like super uber anti-inflammatory, so I wanted to add it to my daily diet and see if it helped with my acne. Also, I haven't been able to find much grass-fed stuff, so I'm probably still pretty low on omega3, so maybe the fish oil will help. it would be the only supplement I have ever taken though, other than the flinstones chewables my parents ever gave me when I was much younger and I didn't even know what they were.
Another thing, someone just messaged me recently stating not to mix raw meat with cooked food because I could get a bad infection or food poisoning.. something about pasteurized milk allowing bacteria to flourish while in raw milk it did not. Does this mean I should not mix eating my raw cheese with my grass-fed pasteurized cheese?
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I don't think it will be a problem with dairy re bacteria. The issue will be digestive conflict since pasteurizing turns it into a different product. If anything, bacteria from raw dairy added into pasteurized dairy can "revive" it to some degree. Not 100% sure.
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I don't think it will be a problem with dairy re bacteria. The issue will be digestive conflict since pasteurizing turns it into a different product. If anything, bacteria from raw dairy added into pasteurized dairy can "revive" it to some degree. Not 100% sure.
True, however, the pasteurization makes the fats in dairy from healthful to harmful. It oxidizes the fats through high heating. Also, the carcinogenic compounds are still a factor. Drinking some raw and some pasteurized will not take away the pasteurized harmful effects. The only thing that combining is good for is avoiding lactose intolerant symptoms.
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Yeah, I meant that adding a small amount of raw dairy to pasteurized dairy as a probiotic will make it slightly easier to digest, but will never take away the harmful effects of the heat created toxins.
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I wish it was easier to find raw milk and raw cheese and raw butter in stores, or just pure fat!.. I was actually surprised I was even able to find cheese made from raw cow's milk! otherwise, everything is pasteurized, it's kind of frustrating. I don't ever get sick from eating anything though, I don't have any lactose intolerance or digestive problems at all, as far as feeling sick from eating anything, so that really isn't a problem for me.. but I still want to try and do as good as I can, but when I don't get sick from eating anything, it's kind of hard to tell what's bad to eat and what's not.
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I mostly eat grassfed or organic (not grassfed) meat and eggs, but for me and my goals, I'll still choose regular supermarket steak over any carbohydrates. Just me though. Carbs don't fit into my life and body goals.
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Yeah, I noticed you're strictly meat-only klowcarb, even if it's low-quality meat you still prefer it over any sort of fruits or vegetables. I'm still kind of afraid of getting "sick" from eating raw meat, whether from food poisoning or like salmonella or e coli, or from getting parasites or worms or something, so I'd prefer something with more of a guarantee of avoiding those things.. plus, commercial grocery store grain-fed meat tastes pretty terrible, so I'd probably pick fruit (but I hate vegetables) over grocery store meat, even though fruit doesn't fill me up at all. But I'm not as picky with eggs, since I heard that for one, the occurrence of salmonella is very low, and even if it does have it, it's only on the shell.. so I just make sure to try to wash off all of my eggs before I eat them. Dairy though, I would still prefer to eat over vegetables and sometimes even fruit, since it at least still comes from animals, and I'd also probably prefer raw grass-fed cheese over commercial grain-fed marrow or other fat.
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Yes, I'm stricly carnivorous. Meat from the chain markets tastes great to me, so does grassfed. I love both and am not picky if it is 100% pure meat, no additives. I have no fear of eating beef raw and have done so for nearly a year.
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What is the deal with this krill oil I keep hearing about? For many months I have been 100% natural and no supplements. I dont think we need supplements at all, and fish oil has been proven to be a problem, especially with the biological accumulation, and the mislabeling done by the manufacturers saying that there were no PCB's, heavy metals, or Dioxins, when there actually was. I like Dr. Mercola a lot even though he is not RPD, but do you honestly think that krill oil is any different than the heavily marketed fish oil. Also, why should we need to take this stuff if we are on a raw diet and get plenty of omega 3/6 in the perfect ratios from our raw food?
The Krill oil Mercola markets doesn't have extra additives and is cold-extracted, and krill oil has far more omega-3 fatty acids in it than raw cod liver oil. Most other fish-oils are heated and highly processed in general so are useless, by comparison.
Plus, many of us have to travel or move to remote locations without access to raw grassfed meats, so something like krill oil can be very effective as a way to counteract the unhealthy nature of raw grainfed meats.
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Yes, I'm stricly carnivorous. Meat from the chain markets tastes great to me, so does grassfed. I love both and am not picky if it is 100% pure meat, no additives. I have no fear of eating beef raw and have done so for nearly a year.
Well, the grocery store meat I always had eaten cooked, and when it's cooked it tastes absolutely horrible.. I only ate it raw a few times, once a long time ago when my dad said he didn't believe I would eat it raw and gave me a small slice, and I ate it and it was delicious, another time when I went with my cousin to get meat for my mom, and he let me have a couple pieces which I ate raw and they were delicious too.. I tried to convince him to try it, and though he certainly looked very tempted to eat it, he didn't eat any.. which actually I just remembered that, and now I'm wondering if I could convince him to take a raw diet as well.. hm. But the third time, I actually went to the store and bought a pound of raw meat, which I then promptly began to eat as soon as I got to my car, and though the first few bites were delicious, after that the meat already started to turn brown and start to get something of a rotten taste that didn't taste good at all, and I couldn't eat anymore of it.. Probably because it was something of the same taste that it gets once it's cooked. So from that experience, I concluded that grocery store meat isn't fresh and isn't good, and I haven't eaten it from the grocery store raw or cooked since, though when it IS fresh it does taste good.. and I've noticed that organic grass-fed beef tastes way better once it starts to turn brown than the commercial grain-fed beef did.
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Yes, I'm stricly carnivorous. Meat from the chain markets tastes great to me, so does grassfed. I love both and am not picky if it is 100% pure meat, no additives. I have no fear of eating beef raw and have done so for nearly a year.
Dont get me wrong klowcarb, but do you think it is healthy in the long run to be 100% carnivorous? I believe that we humans are by nature carnivorous myself. However, even lions in the wild consume about 5% plant life such as fruit and such. Im just saying, whats wrong with eating like 5% plant matter? It would still be like 2% of your diet from carbs. I dont know if there even is such thing as a 100% mammal in the wild. Please people correct me if I am wrong, but most carnivores I know still consume a little plant life. Dogs I know eat grass and throw it up, so maybe that doesnt count.
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Dont get me wrong klowcarb, but do you think it is healthy in the long run to be 100% carnivorous? I believe that we humans are by nature carnivorous myself. However, even lions in the wild consume about 5% plant life such as fruit and such. Im just saying, whats wrong with eating like 5% plant matter? It would still be like 2% of your diet from carbs. I dont know if there even is such thing as a 100% mammal in the wild. Please people correct me if I am wrong, but most carnivores I know still consume a little plant life. Dogs I know eat grass and throw it up, so maybe that doesnt count.
Plants and fruits don't interest me at all. I can't imagine wanting to eat them. Carnivores in nature may be able to process them better than humans. I feel great not having to think about vegetables. I eat a lot of eggs so I do get some carbs. I cannot imagine eating plants now.
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I dont like vegetables at all, hate the taste, but fruits are good. If Im gonna eat veggies I will juice them in a vitamix.
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I absolutely hate vegetables too, but I absolutely love fruit.. it is so delicious, I can't really see eliminating it entirely from my diet, and I'm comforted by the fact that carnivores in the wild do sometimes eat fruit. The texture of fruit sometimes even almost feels like flesh to me, and it is also the only thing in the world actually MADE specifically to be eaten.. so I have nothing against fruit whatsoever, except for the fact that it doesn't fill me up at all. I'd rather use it as a replacement for water than a replacement for a meal.