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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: kurite on February 06, 2010, 02:06:09 pm
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Hi
today i ate a 1/3 of my first raw steak. Its been about 6 hours and about 3-4 hours ago i started getting stomach pains. what is this? Is it possibly food poisoning? What should i do???
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Perhaps you need to eat small amounts at first.
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Hi
today i ate a 1/3 of my first raw steak. Its been about 6 hours and about 3-4 hours ago i started getting stomach pains. what is this? Is it possibly food poisoning? What should i do???
Stomach pains is natural, the pro-biotics in the meat interacting with your digestive system, add some organs & your detox effects, will become manageable
Make sure to get cheap, fatty cuts, such as brisket, or breast of lamb, the expensive low fat steak cuts, are nowhere as good nutritionally
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the pro-biotics in the meat interacting with your digestive system
there are probiotics in meat? are they destroyed by freezing?
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there are probiotics in meat? are they destroyed by freezing?
All raw products contain pro-biotics, theyre simply bacteria which interact with your digestive system, even plants technically contain pro-biotics, although nowhere near the amount in raw meat
Yes, the crystals formed when freezing destroy cell walls & tissue & can actually make the bacteria & viral, more virulent, due to most of the beneficial bacteria dying off
If you want to store raw meats long term, air tight glass jars, in a refrigerator will keep for weeks, if not months
Fatty cuts store the longest, i've had brisket cuts for over two months stored & they taste as good as fresh, they will turn slightly grey
Organs last for about 2 weeks, the taste is pretty easy to get used to though, the smell is also pretty tolerable, after 3 weeks or more
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All raw products contain pro-biotics, theyre simply bacteria which interact with your digestive system, even plants technically contain pro-biotics, although nowhere near the amount in raw meat
That does not sound right. My understanding is meat is sterile, it does not have any bacteria inside. the surface can be contaminated with bacteria during butchering. Sounds like a lot of nonsense to me.
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That does not sound right. My understanding is meat is sterile, it does not have any bacteria inside. the surface can be contaminated with bacteria during butchering. Sounds like a lot of nonsense to me.
Sterile is a relative term, all meat is made of bacteria ... ie. the human body & all animals are all made of around 80-90% bacteria
Do your research, its a well known fact ... lol
You cant contaminate meat with bacteria, unless the meat is diseased to start with ... l)
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If you want to store raw meats long term, air tight glass jars, in a refrigerator will keep for weeks, if not months
This is very poor, and quite possibly dangerous, advice to tout about. A tightly sealed jar kept for months will be a playground for anaerobic bacteria. Take your own health hazards/risks if you want but don't encourage something that could very easily lead to Botulism.
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This is very poor, and quite possibly dangerous, advice to tout about. A tightly sealed jar kept for months will be a playground for anaerobic bacteria. Take your own health hazards/risks if you want but don't encourage something that could very easily lead to Botulism.
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botulism, i'll let you know if & when, or ever i come across it lol
It's quite easy to spot dangerous meat, basically if it becomes fungus ridden, throw it, otherwise chow away, keep it sealed or air it, try them both
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i'd like to read more about the benefits of bacteria in meat for the stomach, anyone got any articles on that topic?
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i'd like to read more about the benefits of bacteria in meat for the stomach, anyone got any articles on that topic?
Google stomach trichirus whipworm i think its spelled
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Do your research, its a well known fact ... lol
All I could find is flesh is sterile inside. Bacteria gets introduced during butchering, grinding, and it penetrates inside after meat starts to decompose.
Well known fact you say..., links please.
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All I could find is flesh is sterile inside. Bacteria gets introduced during butchering, grinding, and it penetrates inside after meat starts to decompose.
Well known fact you say..., links please.
Bacteria doesnt get inside meat .... the bacterial makeup of the meat eventually breaks it down anyway
If the meat is diseased, it'll breakdown even faster
I wasnt kidding about doing your own research, lol, a quick google'l bring up thousands of results, i've got better things to do then state the obvious, sorry ...
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I wasnt kidding about doing your own research, lol, a quick google'l bring up thousands of results, i've got better things to do then state the obvious, sorry ...
i don't think it is funny. no, it is not obvious. if you can't back up your "facts" please do not post them here.
i guess i do not have better things to do, so here is my link, published in NY times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/24/dining/for-safer-hamburger-grind-it-yourself.html?pagewanted=1
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i don't think it is funny. no, it is not obvious. if you can't back up your "facts" please do not post them here.
i guess i do not have better things to do, so here is my link, published in NY times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/24/dining/for-safer-hamburger-grind-it-yourself.html?pagewanted=1
Sorry, but if you cant be bothered to do a simple google search, i've got better things to do, your loss
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oh roony, get off your high horse!... someone is asking your help for god's sake! why don't you take a compliment instead of an undeserved ego trip??
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i actually did google search and i could not find any studies saying there is bacteria inside fresh flesh.
your argument "oh it is a known fact" without any evidence whatsoever gives me an impression are you simply full of shit.
prove your "fact" and i'll admit i was wrong, but for now you are just another troll.
this forum is not about movies or other dontcare stuff, this is about health, people come here to look for answers that can change their lives, and when you post "facts" without proof it must be rejected.
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i actually did google search and i could not find any studies saying there is bacteria inside fresh flesh.
your argument "oh it is a known fact" without any evidence whatsoever gives me an impression are you simply full of shit.
prove your "fact" and i'll admit i was wrong, but for now you are just another troll.
this forum is not about movies or other dontcare stuff, this is about health, people come here to look for answers that can change their lives, and when you post "facts" without proof it must be rejected.
lol high horse, i wouldnt be posting on a forum freely, if i was egoist ...
I'm not the sort to cite research for ppl who arent willing to do their own research, heres some results from a simple google search of "body made up of bacteria"
" Incredibly, our bodies are actually composed of more bacterial cells than human cells; while the human body is made up of about 10 to the power of 13 human cells, we harbor near 10 to the power of 14 bacteria.
This group of organisms, traditionally referred to as "normal flora" (although they are not plants) is composed of a fairly stable set of genera, mostly anaerobes. While each person has a relatively unique set of normal flora, members of the Streptococcus and Bacteroides make up a large percentage of the inhabitants.
These organisms contribute to our existence in several ways"
You might also find this useful
"Viral Diseases: Antibiotics do not work against the virus.
Once you have a virus, you either fight it or die. Viruses are parasites. They are neither alive, nor dead. They cannot reproduce by themselves; they must force other cells to make progeny. The virus is made up of DNA or RNA surrounded by a protein coat. It takes over cells so that it can reproduce itself.
The cell usually dies after reproduction. RNA viruses are not stable and therefore, they mutate often (actually the bacterial cells in your body mutates them, its a natural defence mechanism - roony).
Ebola is an RNA virus; this is why it can mutate so quickly. DNA viruses are more stable and therefore, they mutate less often."
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ha, you are quoting about gut flora which does contain a lot of bacteria.
we are not talking about gut flora, we are talking about fresh meat which kurite ate today i ate a 1/3 of my first raw steak
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gut flora only exists inside the intestines, mainly colon, and some in the stomach (h-pylori). there are no bacteria anywhere else inside the body (unless there is some kind of infection).
there is no bacteria inside fresh non-ground meat and there is no probiotics of any kind inside fresh meat.
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ha, you are quoting about gut flora which does contain a lot of bacteria.
we are not talking about gut flora, we are talking about fresh meat which kurite ate .
gut flora only exists inside the intestines, mainly colon, and some in the stomach (h-pylori). there are no bacteria anywhere else inside the body (unless there is some kind of infection).
there is no bacteria inside fresh non-ground meat and there is no probiotics of any kind inside fresh meat.
lol what the hell is wrong with this forum today ... Read this quote .... "Incredibly, our bodies are actually composed of more bacterial cells than human cells; while the human body is made up of about 10 to the power of 13 human cells, we harbor near 10 to the power of 14 bacteria."
Translated .... Basically ALL meats are MADE OF BACTERIA .... what do you think keeps the meat fresh & prevents it from decaying? magic ... ? lol
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I have often thought that the best way to ferment would be at body temp, in the dark. Those are exactly the conditions inside your gut, in terms of temperature and light. This would encourage the growth of only the bacteria that thrive in those conditions, which I would assume would be the most ideal ones for your gut flora. Just a thought. I've not done this, my fermentation is always at room temp or in the fridge. Has anybody thought about this?
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lol what the hell is wrong with this forum today ... Read this quote .... "Incredibly, our bodies are actually composed of more bacterial cells than human cells; while the human body is made up of about 10 to the power of 13 human cells, we harbor near 10 to the power of 14 bacteria."
Translated .... Basically ALL meats are MADE OF BACTERIA .... what do you think keeps the meat fresh & prevents it from decaying? magic ... ? lol
That quote doesn't say where the bacteria reside... 'what do you think keeps the meat fresh & prevents it from decaying?' Why do you think refrigeration slows down decay? It's because it slows down the bacteria. Bacteria cause the decay...
I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're not backing yourself up properly if you're right... Please do.
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CK, when I used to make raw yogurts, I got my starters from the chemist who made them. He told me that yeast grow better at cooler temps, and bacteria grow better at body temps. I then always cultured my kefir and yogurts at body temp.
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Roony, your writings remind me of the way I must have sounded many years ago when I smoked pot. I would take a little bit of information and weave it into a fantastical story. I also had even a much greater ability to believe what I wanted to. Know I realize I know very little. I think it's true here, that almost everyone's diet is evolving as we learn more. I doubt that hardly anyone, save one or two, would state emphatically that they have settled into the ultimate diet that will serve them to their grave, that they wouldn't make changes or find out that they had done something inherantly not healthy after all.
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. I then always cultured my kefir and yogurts at body temp.
How did you control the temperature?
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i would venture to say that the size of bacteria in comparison to most tissue cells in our body is extremely small, so even those the ratio in terms of number of bacteria organism:human tissue cells may seem like we are mostly bacteria, in terms of size, mass, volume, weight we are still majority human tissue
p.s. i would hope that roony would be investing his energy into better entheogens than "pot"
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Light bulb in cabinet, simply adjusting the wattage till i got around 100 f. I used to use quart mason jars. I shielded the jar from the light
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Roony, your writings remind me of the way I must have sounded many years ago when I smoked pot. I would take a little bit of information and weave it into a fantastical story. I also had even a much greater ability to believe what I wanted to. Know I realize I know very little. I think it's true here, that almost everyone's diet is evolving as we learn more. I doubt that hardly anyone, save one or two, would state emphatically that they have settled into the ultimate diet that will serve them to their grave, that they wouldn't make changes or find out that they had done something inherantly not healthy after all.
Not even worth replying to, clueless typical sheeple, enjoy your bleating
Looks like the natives ie miles are getting restless lol
Yes .... your fridge magically slows the rate of decay & keeps the meat edible ...
I'll let someone else field the stupidity in this thread, had my fill of dealing with morons
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An entheogen ("creates god within," ) is from Wikipedia; I don't agree - more like "improves communication with" IMHO.
I use tobacco+coffee, is there better stuff?
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Not even worth replying to, clueless typical sheeple, enjoy your bleating
Looks like the natives ie miles are getting restless lol
Yes .... your fridge magically slows the rate of decay & keeps the meat edible ...
lol, you're a terrible troll, lol
I'll let someone else field the stupidity in this thread, had my fill of dealing with morons
kewl, kthnxbye. ;)
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lol what the hell is wrong with this forum today ... Read this quote .... "Incredibly, our bodies are actually composed of more bacterial cells than human cells; while the human body is made up of about 10 to the power of 13 human cells, we harbor near 10 to the power of 14 bacteria."
Translated .... Basically ALL meats are MADE OF BACTERIA .... what do you think keeps the meat fresh & prevents it from decaying? magic ... ? lol
Is this an example of the "holism" that you are preaching about? This statement implies nothing of the sort. You are stretching the meaning and implying that bacteria are randomly distributed equally throughout the body through every cell. You are implying that there is no one place that bacteria are more likely to concentrate. If this is how you normally translate information after 7+ years of researching it then....
From a 2 second internet search on normal flora I found this.
In a healthy animal, the internal tissues, e.g. blood, brain, muscle, etc., are normally free of microorganisms. However, the surface tissues, i.e., skin and mucous membranes, are constantly in contact with environmental organisms and become readily colonized by various microbial species.
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The greatest number of bacteria are found in the lower intestinal tract, specifically the colon specifically the colon and the most prevalent bacteria are the Bacteroides, a group of Gram-negative, anaerobic, non-sporeforming bacteria.
http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/normalflora.html
Your source, which you somehow did not put up was from wiki answers and is found here for anyone wanting to follow up further
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_normal_flora
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I'm not sure why you're using wikianswers, but that statement is not true
Bacteria isnt randomly scattered throughout the body, but it is prevalent in every part of the body
You cant localise the massive amount of bacteria in the body, to a few select organs
Bacteria takes many forms, you could even argue, our cells are types of bacteria, but that isnt the assumption in this case
The tissue in our brain & muscle, doesnt grow & repair magically, it requires bacteria to perform those functions, & those bacteria have to be onsite
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wtf, I was quoting your source, which you did not leave. You are the one who used wiki answers or the blog as per this search.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADBS_en&q=%22Incredibly%2C+our+bodies+are+actually+composed+of+more+bacterial+cells+than+human+cells%22&aq=f&aqi=&oq=
The tissue in our brain & muscle, doesnt grow & repair magically, it requires bacteria to perform those functions, & those bacteria have to be onsite
provide one legitimate source
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If you want to play the cite the research game, cite yours first & ill cite you mine ... :P
Try finding ONE legitimate source, which ISNT based on the flawed germ theory of pasteur
Why are you even on a raw paelo diet, if you believe in germ theory? You should be dropping dead because of the DEADLY germs on raw meat as they infect your STERILE muscle & your STERILE brain, according to germ theory .... l)
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If a pathogen causes damage to a cell, it becomes quarantined by inflammatory response. The pathogen is identified and special white blood cells are made to neutralise/kill the pathogen. The pathogen is packaged in a membrane and disposed of.
And there's your faulty logic right there ....
Your overall hypothesis is flawed, as pathogens dont cause damage to cells, they repair & clean up damaged cells
The only way to damage cells is to poison them, or deprive them of nutrition
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Well you are right about them cleaning damaged cells, they eat them like they eat damaged fruit.
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There's two types of advocates medicine
Germ Theory, & Bechampes all bacteria exist as a terrain for healing
Bechampe has been proven, while germ theory even the inventor denounced it, is a discredited theory, most modern research on biology still reverts to the old theory, as ideology
Bechampe also fits in existing philosophy & ancient sciences, such as omniscience
Read up on Bechampe if you want to know about raw meat, the most accessible is aajonus' material
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And there's your faulty logic right there ....
Your overall hypothesis is flawed, as pathogens dont cause damage to cells, they repair & clean up damaged cells
The only way to damage cells is to poison them, or deprive them of nutrition
"Definition of Pathogen:
An agent of disease. A disease producer.
The term pathogen was devised about 1880 and was compounded from patho- meaning disease + -gen indicating a producer."
Any poison is a pathogen. All the definitions I found added that germs and virii are pathogens. They lie.
The word "poison" has been made politically incorrect/deprecated by the Forces of Darkness in order to deceive the unwary. It looks like they are winning.
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Roony, this is the last time I'm going to respond to you. You might be William's gimmick account for all I know.
Im going to make this as clear as possibe since you've missed it the last couple times.
From reply #17 from this thread you wrote the following
I'm not the sort to cite research for ppl who arent willing to do their own research, heres some results from a simple google search of "body made up of bacteria"
" Incredibly, our bodies are actually composed of more bacterial cells than human cells; while the human body is made up of about 10 to the power of 13 human cells, we harbor near 10 to the power of 14 bacteria.
This group of organisms, traditionally referred to as "normal flora" (although they are not plants) is composed of a fairly stable set of genera, mostly anaerobes. While each person has a relatively unique set of normal flora, members of the Streptococcus and Bacteroides make up a large percentage of the inhabitants.
These organisms contribute to our existence in several ways"
Again, this is you who wrote this, not anyone else.
You did not give out a source for the quoted information.
I googled your quote to find the source.
I found 2 matches according to google.
Here is how I searched
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADBS_en&q=%22Incredibly%2C+our+bodies+are+actually+composed+of+more+bacterial+cells+than+human+cells%22&aq=f&aqi=&oq=
So I deduced that your source came from one of those two findings, one of which was wiki answers and the other from a blog.
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Roony, this is the last time I'm going to respond to you. You might be William's gimmick account for all I know.
Im going to make this as clear as possibe since you've missed it the last couple times.
From reply #17 from this thread you wrote the following
Again, this is you who wrote this, not anyone else.
You did not give out a source for the quoted information.
I googled your quote to find the source.
I found 2 matches according to google.
Here is how I searched
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7ADBS_en&q=%22Incredibly%2C+our+bodies+are+actually+composed+of+more+bacterial+cells+than+human+cells%22&aq=f&aqi=&oq=
So I deduced that your source came from one of those two findings, one of which was wiki answers and the other from a blog.
Well, what do you want me to say, thnx for using google?
The point wasnt the source, it was the actual wiki quote which as i pointed out was untrue
If you want to discuss the contents of that quote, which is what we have been doing for the last few posts, feel free to add to it, cheers
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Roony, this is the last time I'm going to respond to you. You might be William's gimmick account for all I know.
Hey! I don't do fiction, and I don't have a "gimmick account" here.
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Light bulb in cabinet, simply adjusting the wattage till i got around 100 f. I used to use quart mason jars. I shielded the jar from the light
Interesting.
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i would venture to say that the size of bacteria in comparison to most tissue cells in our body is extremely small, so even those the ratio in terms of number of bacteria organism:human tissue cells may seem like we are mostly bacteria, in terms of size, mass, volume, weight we are still majority human tissue
p.s. i would hope that roony would be investing his energy into better entheogens than "pot"
That is the whole point, microbes are a lot smaller human cells, theyre at the root of how the human body grows & repairs itself
The foundations of Raw Paleo, by aajonus & others are built on the works of people like Bechamp, how can the people in this thread follow a diet, they dont even understand the basics of ....
Instead of arguing with me & asking me for citations, go study the likes of bechamp
It's ludicrous to presume you can read a few mainstream text books, & do a quick google search & think you know your subject, you have to explore as many of the alternative views & points to get a clear picture
The same thing applies to physics, biology etc., you have to explore all the alternative idea's, to truly understand your subject, which is something current academia & current research will never do
All you'll know is a bunch of useless facts, & what the latest dogma is in science, in this case muscle & the brain are sterile, which is absurd as all living matter need microbes to function
If you want to understand the importance of microbes, then look up the research behind High Meats
Our human cells thrive & depend on the secretions & faeces of microbes, without them they start to decay & die off
Freezing or applying low temperature simply slows down the excretion's of a microbe, as its excretions are temperature sensitive
Which is why freezing seems to slow down the rate meat decays
Microbes & bacteria are pretty much indestructible, they're not effected by radiation or temperature, you cant slow down or kill bacteria by freezing or boiling them, they simply mutate
All you're doing is making the meat inhospitable, or ineffective to a microbes excretions, forcing them to mutate
In response the microbes mutate, or the inhospitable environment attracts even more virulent bacteria, who specialise in breaking down inhospitable area's which is why, frozen meat can become diseased & inedible defrosted
Also the total number of bacteria is far greater then human cells, my initial quote & plenty of research proves it, the size of a cell is simply related to its function, but its microbes which allow it to function