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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: Coatue on August 29, 2010, 11:04:51 pm
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So after 1lb and 1/2 of raw free range chicken...I acquired Salmonella food poisoning
last night -v. Any advice on treating it or overcoming it quicker? What should I eat?
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How do you know you have it?
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Because i have all the symptoms:
# Sudden onset of symptoms
# Severe headache
# Vomiting
# Diarrhea
# Abdominal cramps
# Fever
# Flu-like symptoms
# Loss of appetite
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I got very ill from raw free range chicken in January as well. It put me off eating raw for many months. I've eaten venison raw, beef raw, fish raw (some of it quite stinky and old) and felt fine. Still scared to try chicken again...
All the things I did in January when I got ill weren't very paleo at all, but seemed to do the trick. I think I took deglyzzyrinized licorice root, aloe vera, vitamin c, probiotics and lots of bed rest.
I remember reading on Dr. Mercola's website a while back that for Salmonella he just gives a good strength probiotic every hour until the patient starts to feel better.
Good luck!
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Haven't tried but 8 drops of Lugol's solution should do the thing. Have read that it takes as little as one hour to get over of it. If not another dose should be taken. Probably depends how severe the case is.
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Note to every newbie here:- Avoid raw chicken like the plague, no matter how organic or grassfed it is. Chickens, even organic ones are in 99.9% of cases so intensively farmed and fed organic soy and other crap , that they are nutritionally worthless, quite aside from potential side-effects. Go for animals raised on grass such as raw lamb etc.
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Several months ago now I ate about 20 organic free-range chicken breasts and some thighs every single week for a couple of months. I used to eat this plus much raw fish like tuna and salmon and a little fruit, including avocados when my eczema was very bad. My eczema improved on this diet.
I bought the chicken from sainsbury's supermarket. But I havn't eaten chicken in ages now, because I moved house and didn't live near a sainsburys supermarket and then I moved country where sainsburys doesn't exist and, for the reasons Tyler mentioned, I don't trust most chicken.
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I thought I was safe because I got my chicken from Slankers : http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/pastured_chicken.htm. But I guess not...it makes me question their other products. I really wish I had access to wild game because that is truly the only way to be absolutely sure the animal was raised properly...unless of course you own some livestock and raise it yourself.
I had to go the emergency health care clinic because i was getting too dehydrated due to running to the toilet every 30 mins for the last 24 hours. Explaining that I intentionally ate raw chicken was an interesting experience and the doctors seemed to act very condescending after that. They injected me with antibiotics, gave me a prescription for more antibiotics and told me to eat the BRAT diet (Bananas Rice Apple Sauce Toast). Right now I'll probably follow it a bit since I've completely lost my appetite for raw meat at the moment. Hopefully I'll be back to raw next week...though everybody in my family is giving me the "Told you so!" routine after warning me of the dangers of consuming raw meat.
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What do you think of free-range raw chicken eggs?
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I personally am OK with free-range, organic raw eggs. The kind I get taste far better than merely free-range raw eggs. I wouldn't call them ideal but I eat them if I can't get hold of decent amounts of raw fats like raw tongue or raw marrow.
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I thought I was safe because I got my chicken from Slankers : http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/pastured_chicken.htm. But I guess not...it makes me question their other products. I really wish I had access to wild game because that is truly the only way to be absolutely sure the animal was raised properly...unless of course you own some livestock and raise it yourself.
I had to go the emergency health care clinic because i was getting too dehydrated due to running to the toilet every 30 mins for the last 24 hours. Explaining that I intentionally ate raw chicken was an interesting experience and the doctors seemed to act very condescending after that. They injected me with antibiotics, gave me a prescription for more antibiotics and told me to eat the BRAT diet (Bananas Rice Apple Sauce Toast). Right now I'll probably follow it a bit since I've completely lost my appetite for raw meat at the moment. Hopefully I'll be back to raw next week...though everybody in my family is giving me the "Told you so!" routine after warning me of the dangers of consuming raw meat.
don't know if eating raw meat so quickly after antibiotics is a good idea. if you get sick again from something, you're immune system won't be able to handle it. maybe just take some probiotics for a little while.
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Any advice on treating it or overcoming it quicker? What should I eat?
Activated charcoal or/and bentonite clay in adequate amounts (with water).
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I sometimes wonder if salmonella is just a scapegoat that distracts people from the fact that there are other contaminates involved in food poisoning that allow the bacterial bugs to infect those afflicted. The recent egg recall was linked by the mainsteam with feed contaminated with "salmonella" but I'm not convinced. The feed might of been contaminated with other toxins that weakend the immune systems of the birds and allowed the toxic waste to be passed on to who ever eats it, and salmonella is singled out as a cause, while all other factors are ignored.(germ theory)
I used to eat raw chicken when I started out paleo, sometimes I would feel good after eating it and sometimes it would not set right with my instinctual intuition(no food poisoning, just a hunch)I did have diarrhea after eatting some chicken livers, so I quit eatting chicken alltogether, I keep 6 free range chickens and drink about 3 eggs a day.
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I sometimes wonder if salmonella is just a scapegoat that distracts people from the fact that there are other contaminates involved in food poisoning that allow the bacterial bugs to infect those afflicted. The recent egg recall was linked by the mainsteam with feed contaminated with "salmonella" but I'm not convinced. The feed might of been contaminated with other toxins that weakend the immune systems of the birds and allowed the toxic waste to be passed on to who ever eats it, and salmonella is singled out as a cause, while all other factors are ignored.(germ theory)
That's why it's very important to eat only organic, free-range and pastured chickens, hens, roosters, ducks, etc. and their eggs.
Commercial paultry is a disaster.
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Activated charcoal or/and bentonite clay in adequate amounts (with water).
I wouldn't use clays that have been produced through volcanic activity , like most bentonite clays They contain a lot of heavy metals.
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I wouldn't use clays that have been produced through volcanic activity , like most bentonite clays They contain a lot of heavy metals.
These potential heavy metals are effectively binded by the particles of the clays so they are harmless.
But you can use activated charcoal as well - it's very good.
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I also got salmonella poisoning the one time I tried eating raw chicken. I don't eat raw chicken anymore; I stick to herbivores exclusively. I'll occasionally eat eggs, though.
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I tried that stuff labeled "bentonite" clay, with adequate water. It made me sick. Now I read it's sodium based and exposed intentionally to high heat processing. I find terramin clay good. It's also considered a bentonite, but not heated and calcium based. Being calcium based I think it would also absorb excess fluoride out of you.
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Note to every newbie here:- Avoid raw chicken like the plague, no matter how organic or grassfed it is. Chickens, even organic ones are in 99.9% of cases so intensively farmed and fed organic soy and other crap , that they are nutritionally worthless, quite aside from potential side-effects. Go for animals raised on grass such as raw lamb etc.
this is the same reason i never tried raw chicken ever. i don't mind the wild turkeys though.
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this is the same reason i never tried raw chicken ever. i don't mind the wild turkeys though.
No problem here as long as the chicken is truly pasture raised etc. Wild turkey, wow, I should try that one. Was it hard for you to get? I was scared of trying chicken at first, more than all the other meats. It did me no harm though. I stopped eating it this year; because most of the chicken around has never seen the light of day.
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No problem here as long as the chicken is truly pasture raised etc. Wild turkey, wow, I should try that one. Was it hard for you to get? I was scared of trying chicken at first, more than all the other meats. It did me no harm though. I stopped eating it this year; because most of the chicken around has never seen the light of day.
i see so many of them(wild turkeys) in my country home. they are roaming around my property all day long. i'll try soon and you can join with me.
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I think I may have gotten salmonella poisoning too, or something I'm not sure, because I've had diarrhea for 3 days now. No vomiting, only slight headaches(more likely from dehydration than anything else), I don't know if I have a fever or not i don't have a thermometer, and I only get bad stomach pains when I have to use the bathroom, after I go I feel better for a little while, though still a little sick, but it's bearable. So it seems only a mild case, if it's even salmonella, though I don't know what else it could be, even though I didn't even eat any raw eggs/meat for more than 24 hours before I got sick. I haven't eaten anything either for about a day and a half now, hoping that would help, because eating only seems to make it worse, so I want to try to fast until this goes away. But it's been more than a day, and I'm pretty hungry, and the symptoms haven't gone away. I don't know what I can do to make it better, though.
Where do you guys get your charcoal/clay? I've never seen that stuff on sale anywhere, I have no idea where I'd be able to get any.. Also what kind of probiotics do you take? I'd prefer to take more natural probiotics, like high-meat, but unfortunately I don't have any high meat. I have read on the labels of the raw milk and butter I've bought that it's a good probiotic, so I was wondering if I should go buy some raw milk today and drink it? And maybe eat some raw cultured butter, too. But I'm also afraid to eat anything because it only seems to make the symptoms worse. As for the other kind, though, I'm assuming they're something like pills or powders or liquids or something of the sort, what brands/types are best to take? I don't know if I'll even be able to find any probiotics, other than milk and butter, but I can check today before I go to work.
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I think I may have gotten salmonella poisoning too, or something I'm not sure, because I've had diarrhea for 3 days now. No vomiting, only slight headaches(more likely from dehydration than anything else), I don't know if I have a fever or not i don't have a thermometer, and I only get bad stomach pains when I have to use the bathroom, after I go I feel better for a little while, though still a little sick, but it's bearable. So it seems only a mild case, if it's even salmonella, though I don't know what else it could be, even though I didn't even eat any raw eggs/meat for more than 24 hours before I got sick. I haven't eaten anything either for about a day and a half now, hoping that would help, because eating only seems to make it worse, so I want to try to fast until this goes away. But it's been more than a day, and I'm pretty hungry, and the symptoms haven't gone away. I don't know what I can do to make it better, though.
What was the last raw meat you ate before you got sick? Also what other things you ate in those 24 hours? Maybe its just food poisoning... I had food poisoning 3 times in my life from cooked food and never from any raw meat...so it could have been a bad pizza, I once had a 'fancy' pizza and was sick for a day and a half after (my bf. had the same pizza and also felt real shitty, so we knew exactly what it was).
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What was the last raw meat you ate before you got sick? Also what other things you ate in those 24 hours? Maybe its just food poisoning... I had food poisoning 3 times in my life from cooked food and never from any raw meat...so it could have been a bad pizza, I once had a 'fancy' pizza and was sick for a day and a half after (my bf. had the same pizza and also felt real shitty, so we knew exactly what it was).
I'm pretty sure it wasn't raw meat. But I only eat organic 100% grass-fed ground beef from trader joe's. It might have been raw egg yolks, though they were organic free-range eggs, but I ate them in the morning. That night, many hours later, I ate some pineapple and mango, and then well.. I stuffed an entire slice of pizza down my throat nearly swallowing it whole, to impress a guy (stupid, I know, but the heart is foolish.) and hardly chewed it, probably about 5 - 10 chews, and swallowed the whole slice down in about two bites. The night and even the next morning I felt fine, but a little later in the day I felt sick. I thought it was the pizza that had me feeling sick, the first day I had stomach pains and diarrhea, but then when the diarrhea continued to persist, I thought maybe it was something else. My dad ate from the same pizza, and is perfectly fine. So I have no idea what it could be.
Would raw milk and raw cultured butter be an effective antidote, though?
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Okay well, I'm about to leave soon so I can stop by the store before work, lets hope drinking raw milk and eating raw cultured butter doesn't kill me. or make me sicker. :'(
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Any probiotics will do you good now, even Balkan yogurt or true Kefir (natural one from the health store) - I find the kefir very powerful. Maybe eat some of that with the butter and natural sauerkraut if you can get it.
PS. I got salmonella from eating too many raw factory eggs once but I found it passed in less then a day and I was fine after, maybe it depends on the dose you get...I am sure you'll be ok, just don't eat raw eggs and especially pizzas for a little while now.
Also I don't know how often you eat raw meat but maybe the pizza didn't affect your dad because its what he's used to eating and your tummy got used to the raw meat and then you put pizza in it :P
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When I got my case of salmonella, I drank a teaspoon of cold pressed apple cider vinegar in a glass of water. The first dose stopped my diarrhea immediately, and after a couple doses take a couple hours apart my stomach and intestines felt calm enough to try eating. After a day I was eating normally again, and after three days I stopped taking the vinegar water and the salmonella never came back.
I'd recommend this if the diarrhea is still a problem for you.
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Any probiotics will do you good now, even Balkan yogurt or true Kefir (natural one from the health store) - I find the kefir very powerful. Maybe eat some of that with the butter and natural sauerkraut if you can get it.
PS. I got salmonella from eating too many raw factory eggs once but I found it passed in less then a day and I was fine after, maybe it depends on the dose you get...I am sure you'll be ok, just don't eat raw eggs and especially pizzas for a little while now.
Also I don't know how often you eat raw meat but maybe the pizza didn't affect your dad because its what he's used to eating and your tummy got used to the raw meat and then you put pizza in it :P
Well, the only yogurt and kefir i can find are pasteurized, so I don't think that will help at all, probably only make things worse. =\ I haven't been eating factory eggs, I've been eating organic free-range eggs.. And I STILL have diarrhea. I'm definitely not eating any eggs or pizza though. I was eating raw meat nearly everyday, but my stomach has never had problems before, and I don't see how just not being used to pizza would give me diarrhea for four days. Plus I had eaten some pizza (from the same pizza) normally the day before and felt perfectly fine.
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When I got my case of salmonella, I drank a teaspoon of cold pressed apple cider vinegar in a glass of water. The first dose stopped my diarrhea immediately, and after a couple doses take a couple hours apart my stomach and intestines felt calm enough to try eating. After a day I was eating normally again, and after three days I stopped taking the vinegar water and the salmonella never came back.
I'd recommend this if the diarrhea is still a problem for you.
I can't find any cold pressed apple cider vinegar, the only cold-pressed stuff I could find were like olive oil and sesame oil i think. maybe flaxseed oil too, im not sure. And maybe sunflower oil. I can't remember if they were cold-pressed or not, but there really wasn't a lot of cold-pressed stuff to choose from.. would the oils help at all either?
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The store seemed to be out of raw cultured butter, so I had to get regular butter instead, which I am disappointed about. But I got the raw milk and drank it, and ate some of the raw butter with raw cheese, and they actually seemed to make me feel better, at least while I was at work. Once I got home, though, I felt sick again and had more diarrhea, and still had some just now after waking up. There also seems like there might be some slight blood in the diarrhea too, though since before drinking the milk, so it wasn't caused by the dairy. I only bought a small thing of milk though, because I can't afford the raw dairy much, it's pretty expensive, but there was only 4 cups of milk in it. I drank most of it, but there was a little bit left in the bottom, which I've decided I'll let sit for a while at room temperature and hopefully sour it a bit, and make it a better probiotic. I drank somewhat sour raw milk before, so I'll probably be able to drink it down if I let this bit get sour. The dairy was all that I consumed yesterday though, nothing else.
Dunno what else to do.
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There also seems like there might be some slight blood in the diarrhea too, though since before drinking the milk, so it wasn't caused by the dairy.
Dunno what else to do.
If you are sure it was blood, then I suggest you see a doctor right away. Blood in the stool is never ever a good sign.
Good luck
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If you are sure it was blood, then I suggest you see a doctor right away. Blood in the stool is never ever a good sign.
Good luck
It seemed like it was, but I'm not sure, it was hard to tell. But I haven't been to a doctor since I was 16 years old, and don't plan on going unless things become unbearable. Most likely they would just prescribe me on some antibiotics anyways, which is definately something I do NOT want. I never want to take antibiotics especially now that I know what they actually do.
I seem to be getting better though, it's not as bad as it was before, and I feel good enough that I'm going to try and eat some raw ground beef today(organic 100% grass-fed of course) and see how I do on that. The cheese and butter don't cause any ill effects at all, and I'm hoping the meat won't either.. All I've been eating for the passed 3 days is the raw dairy, and in very tiny amounts, and I'm very hungry and losing weight. I don't want to lose anymore weight, I'm already anorexic looking, so I need to start eating again. I'm just afraid to eat anything non raw for fear it will make things worse.. I'm also afraid to eat any raw eggs or fruit.. and I don't eat veggies, so right now raw dairy and raw meat seem to be my only options. Though I might also try eating some fruit later if I seem to do well on the meat.
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Don't be afraid to eat things NON-RAW if you're anorexic looking, you're a young MAN so feed yourself goddamit!!!
You can still make a good choice of certain foods that are non raw (ie. NOT PIZZA OR GRAINS), especially if you can't get a good amount of good raw foods into yourself at this time, EXAMPLE Kefir and plain yoghurt from the health store or a quality supermarket containing good bacteria. When I had tummy problems even pasteurized KEFIR made my stomach better because it still has a shitload of very good bacteria! Thats just my experience, if I eat anything pasteurized ever it is because it had probiotics added to it, and that doesn't give me any problems. By the way I consume raw meat and fish every day (even grainfed whatever) but when I eat good cheese, yoghurt, kefir, yes EVEN when pasteurized (not at the moment though because my digestion is dam near perfect so I have felt no need to :P ) I have no problems whatsoever! So don't be scared and eat something before you get too weak because you're a young guy who needs food ok? Make some frikkin chicken broth/soup from a real chicken, eat some sour kraut on the side, have some brocolli and steamed carrots with your butter melted on top, have some kefir shots, if raw egg whites giving you problems, lightly sear the eggs in your butter and have them SUNNY SIDE UP - delicious, YUM!
I love raw but when a young guy like you is having these problems, I feel the need for above mentioned foods!
just my opinion if you guys don't agree thats ok. >D
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Blood in the stool is common in Salmonella poisoning. Just get any organic apple cider vinegar you can and give my recipe a try. If you don't notice a big difference after a few doses, you need to see a doctor. With all of the salmonella strains that are immune to antibiotics and the worry of creating more, they probably won't prescribe anything for you, just tell you to go home, lie in bed, drink lots of fluids, eat toast-rice-bananas-applesauce and rest until your body clears the infection. Which might take weeks, or in rare cases months.
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ooops Wolf I realized you're a girl - I am not sure why I thought you were a male maybe because I think of the name Wolf as a male name I am so sorry :-*
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ooops Wolf I realized you're a girl - I am not sure why I thought you were a male maybe because I think of the name Wolf as a male name I am so sorry :-*
Lol, that's alright, Wolf is maleish I guess, but I just love Wolves and they eat raw meat, so I thought it would be appropriate name for me in this forum.
I'm mostly anorexic looking right now because I've been sick and afraid to eat anything at all that will make my stomach hurt and such.
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Have you tried blending a smoothie with yoghurt, fruits, bannanas, nuts and coconut milk? (doesn't have to be all those things at once!) That should put some weight on you, also have you tried eating some raw nuts, they are high in calories, like macadamias, pine nuts, walnuts and almonds. Of course if any of those give you stomach problems then don't eat then but you try.
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Have you tried blending a smoothie with yoghurt, fruits, bannanas, nuts and coconut milk? (doesn't have to be all those things at once!) That should put some weight on you, also have you tried eating some raw nuts, they are high in calories, like macadamias, pine nuts, walnuts and almonds. Of course if any of those give you stomach problems then don't eat then but you try.
I don't have a blender, and can't afford one.
I haven't been able to find any raw nuts really, and I never much liked nuts anyways.
also, sour milk is too sour, almost puked trying to drink it just now, so that's not gonna work.
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I always keep a supply of the following things on hand:
unheated honey, raw apple cider vinegar, terramin clay
they are useful in situations where you are not well enough to eat normal food. Much better than going to the hospital, getting antibiotics, and being lectured by doctors that raw meat is "dangerous".
A long time ago, I ate raw supermarket meat for a while, including chicken and pork, to see how bad it really is. Sometimes I got itchy skin, bumps on skin that look and itch like mosquito bites, and nausea. Had diarrhea once or twice, but it never lasted more than a day. This was quite early in my raw paleo adventure, and I think my system wasn't fully adapted to raw meat. (I say this because I occasionally also got these symptoms from good-quality meat). I suspect that if I were to repeat this experiment today, I would be able to eat supermarket meat without such bad reactions.
Now I get diarrhea only if I do something stupid like eat 2 cups of coconut cream at once, or tons of fruit after a meat meal. It didn't take long to learn not to do these things.
If I do have diarrhea, I found that it's pointless to consume anything other than honey, or ACV, or clay, or water, until the diarrhea subsides. Even if you're underweight, eating won't help if the food goes through you unabsorbed.
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I'd recommend against eating nuts of any kind, particularly while you're still afflicted with diarrhea. Nuts are challenging to digest regardless, and would be that much more challenging and probably quite irritating if you ate them while suffering from gastrointestinal upset.
Hopefully you can find some apple cider vinegar, even if its not unheated or organic. I really think that will make a world of difference for you. I hope you feel better soon!
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I always keep a supply of the following things on hand:
unheated honey, raw apple cider vinegar, terramin clay
they are useful in situations where you are not well enough to eat normal food. Much better than going to the hospital, getting antibiotics, and being lectured by doctors that raw meat is "dangerous".
A long time ago, I ate raw supermarket meat for a while, including chicken and pork, to see how bad it really is. Sometimes I got itchy skin, bumps on skin that look and itch like mosquito bites, and nausea. Had diarrhea once or twice, but it never lasted more than a day. This was quite early in my raw paleo adventure, and I think my system wasn't fully adapted to raw meat. (I say this because I occasionally also got these symptoms from good-quality meat). I suspect that if I were to repeat this experiment today, I would be able to eat supermarket meat without such bad reactions.
Now I get diarrhea only if I do something stupid like eat 2 cups of coconut cream at once, or tons of fruit after a meat meal. It didn't take long to learn not to do these things.
If I do have diarrhea, I found that it's pointless to consume anything other than honey, or ACV, or clay, or water, until the diarrhea subsides. Even if you're underweight, eating won't help if the food goes through you unabsorbed.
I haven't been able to find any source of reliably 100% sure unheated honey. I bought a couple honey's labeled as "raw" but I have no idea if they have never been heated or not. Also can't find any honey in the comb, though I've had it once a long time ago, my mom bought it for me.. but I didn't much like the texture of the waxy comb. Didn't know I could eat it, though, I spat it out.
I also still have no idea where to find edible clays. Are they usually just at a regular health food or organic store? Would Trader Joe's have any? And I've been recommended so many different types, which one am I supposed to get? And what's the difference between them anyways?
As for the raw apple cider vinegar, I could try looking for it. I just hope it's not too expensive and doesn't taste bad, because I can't eat anything that tastes bad to me.
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I'd recommend against eating nuts of any kind, particularly while you're still afflicted with diarrhea. Nuts are challenging to digest regardless, and would be that much more challenging and probably quite irritating if you ate them while suffering from gastrointestinal upset.
Hopefully you can find some apple cider vinegar, even if its not unheated or organic. I really think that will make a world of difference for you. I hope you feel better soon!
Of course, you tell me this right after I bought a bag of nuts. Lol.
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As for the raw apple cider vinegar, I could try looking for it. I just hope it's not too expensive and doesn't taste bad, because I can't eat anything that tastes bad to me.[/font][/color]
Look for Bragg's brand. Every regular supermarket here in my area of NY, as well as all the little health food stores, stock it so it should be easy to find in Cali. It's not overly expensive either.
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Because i have all the symptoms:
# Sudden onset of symptoms
# Severe headache
# Vomiting
# Diarrhea
# Abdominal cramps
# Fever
# Flu-like symptoms
# Loss of appetite
Lol, I just got salmonella for the first time last night. I have all the symptoms of you including bad chills, I am freezing. It was either that nasty duck I ate 2 days ago, or the 24 eggs I ate yesterday. Honestly, I've been eating regular eggs, I cant afford organic eggs so screw em all. Never got sick from even grainfed beef (although I never eat that) No more eggs for me, just more meat, but I need more fat somehow. I may try the beck purifier tonight. I have apple cider vinegar, how much should I take.
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The apple cider vinegar recipe I used was a teaspoon of vinegar in a cup of water. Doesn't have to be exact. And it shouldn't taste bad, about like very watered down apple juice (although don't substitute apple juice for apple cider vinegar).
As far as cost, it should be very cheap, even if you buy raw and organic. I don't think I paid more than $2 or $3 for the bottle I bought, and I used only a tiny portion of it to get my salmonella under control.
Yeah, all chicken products are risky. I got salmonella poisoning the one time I ate raw chicken meat. It was free range, pasture fed and certified organic, so go figure. I eat eggs fairly often, but am incredibly picky as to my suppliers. I would never eat an egg raw that I bought from a store, only if I can visit the farm and inspect how the chickens are raised and where the eggs are laid first hand.
I just got a few dozen eggs the other day from a trusted supplier, all fertilized. They taste rich, and the yolks are a deep orange-red in color, and not from blood spotting.
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Okay so the other day all I ate was grass-fed ground beef and raw milk/cheese/butter, and I didn't feel so sick or get diarrhea at all. (though I didn't have a bowel movement at all, either.) The next day I felt good enough to try some fruit, but that was a mistake because I got diarrhea again not very long after eating the fruit, maybe like 30 minutes later, at most. Also tried eating some of the raw brazil nuts I just bought, which taste good actually, but they seem to have caused me worse diarrhea than the fruit. So, no more plant food for me. Still afraid to eat any eggs though, also afraid to eat any grain-fed fat, so that just leaves me with the grass-fed ground beef and raw milk/dairy. Can't think of anything else that isn't plant-food, eggs, or grain-fed that I can eat? Can anyone think of anything else I can eat that isn't those three things that I can eat? (I can't find any grass-fed liver/fat/bones/organs) I'm afraid to eat honey because of the sugar, I feel like sugars/carbs only make things worse. Plus I don't know for sure if the honey I have has never been heated, even though it's labeled as "raw."
Today I'm going to stop by the store and buy some more raw milk, some raw cultured butter if they have it this time, as well as some Qephor--http://www.organicpastures.com/products_qephor.html--I didn't realize this was basically Kefir.
Hopefully all that probioticness will help me get over this already, I'm sick of being sick! (lol.)
Gonna buy some more grass-fed ground beef too, to give me something solid to eat. Wondering if I might buy myself a grass-fed steak to treat myself to, as well, but I'm not sure, the dairy will probably be expensive. I wish it all wasn't so expensive, and that I was richer.
While at the stores, I'll look for the apple cider vinegar, too, though I'm actually a little afraid to try it since it's plant based. But it seems like it should be okay, so if I can find it, I'll try some tonight, and see how that goes. Hopefully it helps, too. I'm just glad that I got a decent paycheck this last payday and can better afford this stuff for right now.
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Lol, I just got salmonella for the first time last night. I have all the symptoms of you including bad chills, I am freezing. It was either that nasty duck I ate 2 days ago, or the 24 eggs I ate yesterday. Honestly, I've been eating regular eggs, I cant afford organic eggs so screw em all. Never got sick from even grainfed beef (although I never eat that) No more eggs for me, just more meat, but I need more fat somehow. I may try the beck purifier tonight. I have apple cider vinegar, how much should I take.
Maybe try some raw dairy if you can? It seemed to have helped me. Any plant foods made things worse though, but apple cider vinegar might help, will you let me know how that works out for you? I'm going to try and buy some today.
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For diarrhea in general, there are very few plant-based, non-grain foods that have proven to be helpful to me. Cooked white rise is one, bananas are another, apple cider vinegar is the third. I don't recommend eating other plant-based foods while suffering from any gastrointestinal malady, particularly nuts (I'm sad you tried Brazil nuts, really bad idea...)
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For diarrhea in general, there are very few plant-based, non-grain foods that have proven to be helpful to me. Cooked white rise is one, bananas are another, apple cider vinegar is the third. I don't recommend eating other plant-based foods while suffering from any gastrointestinal malady, particularly nuts (I'm sad you tried Brazil nuts, really bad idea...)
I know some recipes that include grain that help people who have diarrhea. Since they're cooked and grain-based, I won't enumerate them here, unless everyone wants that.
Charcoal is not raw, but it's one of the best things at halting loose gassy stools. I don't use it on me, but I've seen it used enough. It's simple enough, it saves lives in emergencies and paleo man could have had access to it.
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Maybe try some raw dairy if you can? It seemed to have helped me. Any plant foods made things worse though, but apple cider vinegar might help, will you let me know how that works out for you? I'm going to try and buy some today.
The apple cider vinegar is working. The other night, I must have woke up 5 times to have diarrhea. Last night after I used apple cider vinegar a couple times, I slept a full 8 hrs not waking up once. I still had it in the morning, but at least I got a full nights rest. I did get some raw milk from a farmer because I cant really eat much solids at the moment, and that does make me feel better.
An interesting thing I noticed about acne wolf, is that it correlates to sleep loss. I dont really get it much anymore, but when I dont sleep good, I flare up. I flared up bad when I didnt get much sleep the other day, but last night I slept well, and this morning it was almost all gone.
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Inst it possible, that you people actually got those symptoms from eating sick/poisoned animals and not "salmonella"?
I think that bacteria is supposed to be in high meat anyway and I did not hear people complain.
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Inst it possible, that you people actually got those symptoms from eating sick/poisoned animals and not "salmonella"?
I think that bacteria is supposed to be in high meat anyway and I did not hear people complain.
Sure, the usage of the word is inaccurate. We are just using that word because all the symptoms associated with it. The real cause of our symptoms could be something else from the meat/eggs and not actually salmonella so to speak. Nevertheless, what we all can say that it was from something in the food. But it doesnt really matter if the food is cooked or raw. I have gotten the symptoms of salmonella before from cooked food.
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For diarrhea in general, there are very few plant-based, non-grain foods that have proven to be helpful to me. Cooked white rise is one, bananas are another, apple cider vinegar is the third. I don't recommend eating other plant-based foods while suffering from any gastrointestinal malady, particularly nuts (I'm sad you tried Brazil nuts, really bad idea...)
I know it was a baaaad idea to eat the nuts, but i was really really hungry and they were just staring me in the face. I caved in. =[
I could make steamed white rice actually, but I'm still kind of afraid to eat anything non animal based. Eating raw milk/dairy and raw meat seem to be the only things that aren't causing me diarrhea, or stomach pains, so I think I'll mostly stick to eating those things.
The apple cider vinegar is working. The other night, I must have woke up 5 times to have diarrhea. Last night after I used apple cider vinegar a couple times, I slept a full 8 hrs not waking up once. I still had it in the morning, but at least I got a full nights rest. I did get some raw milk from a farmer because I cant really eat much solids at the moment, and that does make me feel better.
An interesting thing I noticed about acne wolf, is that it correlates to sleep loss. I dont really get it much anymore, but when I dont sleep good, I flare up. I flared up bad when I didnt get much sleep the other day, but last night I slept well, and this morning it was almost all gone.
Yeah, the milk really seems to help me.
I'm very angry though, when I went to the store to buy more raw dairy, they were completely out of raw cultured butter AND Qephor. The ONE time I decide to try the Qephor happens to be the ONE time I go and they don't have it.. and probably won't be getting it until next week. So I seem like I'm going to have to survive on just raw milk and raw meat for a while, which don't cause diarrhea whatsoever.
Glad the vinegar worked for you though, I got some so I think I will try it today.
And as for sleep loss, before starting raw I used to sleep 10+ hours a day, and it didn't seem to do anything for my acne. And I've always slept only when I feel tired enough to sleep, and only wake up when my body naturally wakes up, I don't ever force myself to go to sleep early or force myself to wake up with alarms and things.. except for every once in a while when my sleeping seemed like it might overlap with school/work.
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Inst it possible, that you people actually got those symptoms from eating sick/poisoned animals and not "salmonella"?
I think that bacteria is supposed to be in high meat anyway and I did not hear people complain.
Well, I never did say that what I had what salmonella, I said what I THINK I may have is maybe salmonella. But really, I have no idea what it is, and I have just been calling it diarrhea, since that's all I have really, is really bad diarrhea.. for a week now..
I don't have the headache, vomiting, loss of appetite, and I'm not sure about the fever though, I don't have a thermometer. All I have is the diarrhea and abdominal pains, but the pains are pretty much just a more intense pain of the pain/discomfort I usually get with diarrhea. And I only get the pains right before I have to go to the bathroom, once I go the pains go away. Then I pretty much only feel the slightest discomfort in my stomach, which is very easy to ignore.
I've never gotten these sort of symptoms from anything I have ever eaten before, either though.. and I'm really hating it.
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Yeah, the milk really seems to help me.
I'm very angry though, when I went to the store to buy more raw dairy, they were completely out of raw cultured butter AND Qephor. The ONE time I decide to try the Qephor happens to be the ONE time I go and they don't have it.. and probably won't be getting it until next week. So I seem like I'm going to have to survive on just raw milk and raw meat for a while, which don't cause diarrhea whatsoever.
Glad the vinegar worked for you though, I got some so I think I will try it today.
If you can get raw milk, then making your own kefir is easy. Just pour the milk into a jar, bowl, or large glass, and set it out on the counter. Spit into it to introduce more bacteria. To speed up the fermentation, put it in a warm place. You might want to cover it lightly with a cloth to keep out flies and dust. It should start becoming like kefir within 24 hours. Technically, this isn't "authentic" kefir because it's not made with the grains, but it's very close, and is a good probiotic.
And if you can get raw cream, then making your own butter is also easy. Just pour it into a tightly closed contained with plenty of air space, and shake vigorously. It usually takes anywhere from 5 to 20 minutes, so be patient.
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If you can get raw milk, then making your own kefir is easy. Just pour the milk into a jar, bowl, or large glass, and set it out on the counter. Spit into it to introduce more bacteria. To speed up the fermentation, put it in a warm place. You might want to cover it lightly with a cloth to keep out flies and dust. It should start becoming like kefir within 24 hours. Technically, this isn't "authentic" kefir because it's not made with the grains, but it's very close, and is a good probiotic.
And if you can get raw cream, then making your own butter is also easy. Just pour it into a tightly closed contained with plenty of air space, and shake vigorously. It usually takes anywhere from 5 to 20 minutes, so be patient.
I left out a bit of milk for about a day or so the other day, and the milk separated and became so sour that I nearly puked when I took a sip.. sooo, I don't think that will work.
And the store was even out of raw cream, too. ;~; but I want the raw cultured butter that they sell, because it's had good probiotics added to it. I already have some normal butter.
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Wolf... Didn't you say you are eating loads of fat?
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Wolf... Didn't you say you are eating loads of fat?
I was going to start eating more fat, but I actually hadn't been eating much of it. I only like it if it's nice and warm, and since I can't cook it, it's difficult to get it warm enough without overheating it. I hadn't really eaten any before I got sick. Now though, I'm probably getting more fat from all the dairy I've been consuming.. especially butter.
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And damn, this apple cider vinegar is strong. And it really burns the back of my throat! Ugh, it's kind of hard to drink, even diluted in water.. not because of taste really, but because of the burning and the sour/bitterness of it. I really hope this doesn't make things worse again, though, I didn't have any diarrhea or even much discomfort yesterday after drinking milk and eating meat. I'm still really mad that the store didn't have any Qephor or cultured butter though. I think those would have done me better than this apple cider vinegar actually.. maybe, I don't know, we'll see if it causes any problems, I'm drinking it slowly but surely. Not sure if it's gonna sit well in my stomach or intestines.
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Well, I never did say that what I had what salmonella, I said what I THINK I may have is maybe salmonella. But really, I have no idea what it is, and I have just been calling it diarrhea, since that's all I have really, is really bad diarrhea.. for a week now..
I don't have the headache, vomiting, loss of appetite, and I'm not sure about the fever though, I don't have a thermometer. All I have is the diarrhea and abdominal pains, but the pains are pretty much just a more intense pain of the pain/discomfort I usually get with diarrhea. And I only get the pains right before I have to go to the bathroom, once I go the pains go away. Then I pretty much only feel the slightest discomfort in my stomach, which is very easy to ignore.
I've never gotten these sort of symptoms from anything I have ever eaten before, either though.. and I'm really hating it.
Actually, you did say you had all the symptoms, right here:
"Because i have all the symptoms:
# Sudden onset of symptoms
# Severe headache
# Vomiting
# Diarrhea
# Abdominal cramps
# Fever
# Flu-like symptoms
# Loss of appetite"
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And damn, this apple cider vinegar is strong. And it really burns the back of my throat! Ugh, it's kind of hard to drink, even diluted in water.. not because of taste really, but because of the burning and the sour/bitterness of it. I really hope this doesn't make things worse again, though, I didn't have any diarrhea or even much discomfort yesterday after drinking milk and eating meat.
I don't know what time you're drinking the ACV, but if I drink it, I only do it when I wake up in the morning. I drink a small amount. Bragg's works better for me than most commercial brands. The others are mostly acidic as heck and offensive. I mix it with unheated honey and fresh organic juicy lemon. I rarely add natural sparkling water from a glass bottle.
I don't know if you wash the meat down with milk. It seems to me the difference in digesting one food to another are very pronounced on a raw diet. Raw milk digests very differently than raw meat. If you're not waiting at least an hour, I would. Plain milk doesn't work very well for me anyway. Unfermented goat milk or camel milk seems fine so far for me.
I'm still really mad that the store didn't have any Qephor or cultured butter though. I think those would have done me better than this apple cider vinegar actually.. maybe, I don't know, we'll see if it causes any problems, I'm drinking it slowly but surely. Not sure if it's gonna sit well in my stomach or intestines.
If the store have cream or unhomogenized milk, you can make cultured butter. If they have milk, you can make qephor. I could live on those, I've done it, well too. I couldn't live on ACV.
I have found WF's that sold Qephor (spelling it that way) that had meat counters. Those meat counters were much better for variety and service than the ones without Qephor. If you haven't tried marrow, it can be a fantastic fat source, and places like that, you should be able to get it unfrozen and without a huge load of very fibrous meat.
PS I know WF is not carrying OP anymore.
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Well, I never did say that what I had what salmonella, I said what I THINK I may have is maybe salmonella. But really, I have no idea what it is, and I have just been calling it diarrhea, since that's all I have really, is really bad diarrhea.. for a week now..
I don't have the headache, vomiting,
I've seen kefir help people who had the worst diarrhea imagineable. Maybe raw meat would do it too. I haven't seen that in person. Raw milk (unfermented) I don't think would be anywhere nearly as good to help you with that, if at all. It can be like a thousand times better than pasteurized milk for people with diarrhea, in my experience of various people. It may help you a lot, but kefir is worlds better at it.
By the way, any idea if your milk is grainfed or grassfed?
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Actually, you did say you had all the symptoms, right here:
"Because i have all the symptoms:
# Sudden onset of symptoms
# Severe headache
# Vomiting
# Diarrhea
# Abdominal cramps
# Fever
# Flu-like symptoms
# Loss of appetite"
That wasn't me, I didn't write that. o.O;
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Because i have all the symptoms:
# Sudden onset of symptoms
# Severe headache
# Vomiting
# Diarrhea
# Abdominal cramps
# Fever
# Flu-like symptoms
# Loss of appetite
Coatue was the one who wrote this, originally.
I don't have all of these symptoms, the only ones I'm getting are abdominal pains and diarrhea.. also possibly fever, though possibly not, I have no idea if I have a fever or not because I don't have a thermometer, but I would think most likely not.
I do not have headache, vomiting, flu-like symptoms, or loss of appetite.
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I don't know what time you're drinking the ACV, but if I drink it, I only do it when I wake up in the morning. I drink a small amount. Bragg's works better for me than most commercial brands. The others are mostly acidic as heck and offensive. I mix it with unheated honey and fresh organic juicy lemon. I rarely add natural sparkling water from a glass bottle.
I don't know if you wash the meat down with milk. It seems to me the difference in digesting one food to another are very pronounced on a raw diet. Raw milk digests very differently than raw meat. If you're not waiting at least an hour, I would. Plain milk doesn't work very well for me anyway. Unfermented goat milk or camel milk seems fine so far for me.
If the store have cream or unhomogenized milk, you can make cultured butter. If they have milk, you can make qephor. I could live on those, I've done it, well too. I couldn't live on ACV.
I have found WF's that sold Qephor (spelling it that way) that had meat counters. Those meat counters were much better for variety and service than the ones without Qephor. If you haven't tried marrow, it can be a fantastic fat source, and places like that, you should be able to get it unfrozen and without a huge load of very fibrous meat.
PS I know WF is not carrying OP anymore.
I've seen kefir help people who had the worst diarrhea imagineable. Maybe raw meat would do it too. I haven't seen that in person. Raw milk (unfermented) I don't think would be anywhere nearly as good to help you with that, if at all. It can be like a thousand times better than pasteurized milk for people with diarrhea, in my experience of various people. It may help you a lot, but kefir is worlds better at it.
By the way, any idea if your milk is grainfed or grassfed?
I started drinking it right before I made that post, and it's morning right now. All I did was mix it into my water. and it's Bragg's brand, raw unfiltered. I have honey, but I don't know for sure if it's never been heated or not, even though it is labeled as "raw" organic honey. And I didn't get any lemon, I don't have any, but that seems like it would only make the bitterness of it worse.
And no, I do not wash down the meat with milk. If anything, I always drink the milk first, if I'm going to eat one soon after the other. But I always try to at least leave an hour or more between different foods that I eat.
The milk I get is from Organic Pastures in California. I don't know what WF's is.. Whole Foods? I don't have a whole foods nearby, I get my raw milk from a Goodwin's Organics nearish my school. I wanted to buy the already made cultured butter and kefir/Qephor because they added extra probiotic cultures into it that I wouldn't get with making the stuff myself, unless I buy the same stuff.. and it all seems too complicated and I also can't do much because I have to keep all my raw foods hidden away in my room. The milk I mostly get because it's one of the few things I can consume that do not make me sick, and I'm hungry. So even if the milk doesn't help my condition at all, at least it keeps me from being hungry without making me sick. I really would rather have gotten the cultured butter and Qephor but they didn't have any. I do still have a bit of regular butter left though.
The only marrow I can find is from commercial grain-fed cows, and wasn't very appetizing to me, and the bones smell really weird. And it was probably previously frozen.
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Well, so far the apple cider vinegar doesn't seem to be causing any problems, though I did have slight pain/discomfort in my stomach, but that could just be hunger pains. I'm oh so hungry.. I want to get over this already so that I can start eating eggs and fruit and stuff again. These nuts I bought are just staring me in the face begging me to eat them. My dad even bought some watermelon, and I can't even eat it.. but watermelon is so delicious, I want some. Grr, I'm glad I can at least eat meat.. I'm surviving mainly on raw milk and raw meat.. I feel like one of Pottenger's cats.
Maybe I will try eggs tomorrow if I'm still feeling good and having no diarrhea.
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Coatue was the one who wrote this, originally.
I don't have all of these symptoms, the only ones I'm getting are abdominal pains and diarrhea.. also possibly fever, though possibly not, I have no idea if I have a fever or not because I don't have a thermometer, but I would think most likely not.
I do not have headache, vomiting, flu-like symptoms, or loss of appetite.
Im sorry, for some reason I though you started this post, my bad. Anyway, both me and Coatue have all these symptoms it sucks.
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I read where you said you maybe saw blood in your stools
Watch out, thats how crohn's disease first manifests
It is the time of the year where autoimmune diseases flare up (temperature changes and humidity)
also eating more fruits maybe ?
Especially crohn's disease
crohn's disease can come first from salmonella food poisoning and other food poisonings
It started this way last year for me, thats what got me into paleo eating
i cant tolerate most processed food with this disease
Whatsoever if you have this disease or not, we have the same symptoms,
i suggest you eat lots of probiotics yogurt and if you miss meat : well COOKED white meat isnt as rough on the gut
When I was sick, I couldnt eat beef as it scraped my gut scars off
One thing sure, stress: any kind, psychological or physical can induce a flare up at this time of the year
Take it easy and life will be good :)
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and if you miss meat : well COOKED white meat isnt as rough on the gut
Raw cuts of good quality white meat should be just as easy or easier on the guts. Raw meat should not be inflammatory like cooked meat.
If the meat you eat came from a good source and was handled well you shouldn't need to worry about Salmonella.
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Im sorry, for some reason I though you started this post, my bad. Anyway, both me and Coatue have all these symptoms it sucks.
It's alright, but that's why I'm wondering if what I have is really salmonella or not, because I didn't have the full set of symptoms.. just the diarrhea.
And I know I definately didn't have a loss of appetite though, I'm soooo hungry. ;__;
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I read where you said you maybe saw blood in your stools
Watch out, thats how crohn's disease first manifests
It is the time of the year where autoimmune diseases flare up (temperature changes and humidity)
also eating more fruits maybe ?
Especially crohn's disease
crohn's disease can come first from salmonella food poisoning and other food poisonings
It started this way last year for me, thats what got me into paleo eating
i cant tolerate most processed food with this disease
Whatsoever if you have this disease or not, we have the same symptoms,
i suggest you eat lots of probiotics yogurt and if you miss meat : well COOKED white meat isnt as rough on the gut
When I was sick, I couldnt eat beef as it scraped my gut scars off
One thing sure, stress: any kind, psychological or physical can induce a flare up at this time of the year
Take it easy and life will be good :)
Fruit makes it worse right now, the only thing that doesn't so far is raw beef and dairy. And I tried getting Qephor/kefir but they were out of it. I can't otherwise find any unpasteurized yogurt, and I'm not going to risk consuming any pasteurized dairy.
And I always take it easy, don't got no stress.
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It's alright, but that's why I'm wondering if what I have is really salmonella or not, because I didn't have the full set of symptoms.. just the diarrhea.
And I know I definately didn't have a loss of appetite though, I'm soooo hungry. ;__;
Wolf, it seems you are worrying too much about this. If you only had bloody diarrhea once, so what. It may have even been just bile acids because you had no food in your system so you poohed out that. Bile acids are frequently red in color. It is actually normal in nature to deficate some blood once in a while. Frequency and how much are the key. If you had a lot of noticeable blood, then I'd see a doc right away. But if it was only a little, and just once, it is perfectly normal. It happens to me once in a blue moon, like once or twice a year, or not at all.
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Try the probiotic pasteurised yogurt from the supermarket, I use Activia, its the only product I make my father buy at the supermarket
If you cant get your hands on probiotics yogurt look for homemade ways online, made properly it will give your gut the kick it needs
And you are right about the fruit making it worse, I was stating it as a possible reason for flaring up during those months, there is fresh fruit aviable so we are more akin to eating 'em, I know you are even if you are sick
The trick is to cut off grain and remain very low carb when your gut is healthier
If you really happen to have this disease count yourself lucky that you have a better diet on this forum
When I started being sick I didn't know anything at all, It took a while to understand why I was sick and what food did what to my system, probiotic yogurt was the first food that helped with my symptoms (even though I was still eating a lot of sugar and grains and such at the time...)
Eat slowly, chew well your meat, it just has to scar before you feel better
I have eczema so I compare it to my skin being sensible while irritated, when my hands were all red and scared, they sure itched and hurt but I had to let it heal before I could start working in dirt with my hands without bleeding
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Wolf, it seems you are worrying too much about this. If you only had bloody diarrhea once, so what. It may have even been just bile acids because you had no food in your system so you poohed out that. Bile acids are frequently red in color. It is actually normal in nature to deficate some blood once in a while. Frequency and how much are the key. If you had a lot of noticeable blood, then I'd see a doc right away. But if it was only a little, and just once, it is perfectly normal. It happens to me once in a blue moon, like once or twice a year, or not at all.
Well, I've had the diarrhea for a week now.. but for the bloody part, was for like two days i saw a slight reddish in the stool. It was hardly anything so I have no idea if it was even blood or not. I'm not freaking out about the blood, if it even was blood. I'm not even really worrying or anything, I'm just annoyed that I can't eat anything hardly. I want this to go away already so I can EAT. I'm hungry all day long but I can't eat anything because it will all give me diarrhea, except the raw milk which is too expensive to drink much of, and the raw meat which I am only eating 8 ounces a day of. I'm also losing weight. I want to eat eggs and fruit and nuts and fat again too. I'm huuuuuungrryy.
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Try the probiotic pasteurised yogurt from the supermarket, I use Activia, its the only product I make my father buy at the supermarket
If you cant get your hands on probiotics yogurt look for homemade ways online, made properly it will give your gut the kick it needs
And you are right about the fruit making it worse, I was stating it as a possible reason for flaring up during those months, there is fresh fruit aviable so we are more akin to eating 'em, I know you are even if you are sick
The trick is to cut off grain and remain very low carb when your gut is healthier
If you really happen to have this disease count yourself lucky that you have a better diet on this forum
When I started being sick I didn't know anything at all, It took a while to understand why I was sick and what food did what to my system, probiotic yogurt was the first food that helped with my symptoms (even though I was still eating a lot of sugar and grains and such at the time...)
Eat slowly, chew well your meat, it just has to scar before you feel better
I have eczema so I compare it to my skin being sensible while irritated, when my hands were all red and scared, they sure itched and hurt but I had to let it heal before I could start working in dirt with my hands without bleeding
I can get the Qephor on Wednesday. hopefully.
I also doubt what I have is crohn's disease, I've never had symptoms like these before in my entire life.
Why is everyone telling me to cut grains and things when I'm saying the only things I've been eating are milk and meat? Obviously I'm not eating any grains at all if all I'm eating is dairy and beef. I'm pretty sure that's pretty low carb, the only carbs I'm getting is from the milk. I'm not eating any fruit at all either. Other than the apple cider vinegar, if you count that. I only ate fruit/nuts once, and when I found it to make my symptoms worse, I did not eat it again.
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The apple cider vinegar didn't seem to make much of a difference, and I still seemed to have slight discomfort in my stomach/intestines yesterday that I don't think I had the day before when I didn't drink the apple cider vinegar. I also almost seem to be constipated now. Not sure if the apple cider vinegar did any good really. I do seem to feel better today though. Don't think I'll drink any today though.. see how that feels. Also probably going to try eating three egg yolks sometime today, and see how that goes.. should be fine seeing how animal foods seem to not cause any problems. I was just afraid to eat any eggs in case what I had was salmonella from eggs.
Dunno how much longer I should go before trying to eat fruit and stuff again.. maybe just slowly introduce things, like the eggs right now.. grain-fed fat(since it's the only fat i can get) next in a day or so.. then a little fruit after that in another couple days? I'm still so hungry, ugh.. wondering if I should eat a lb of meat a day instead of half.
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A half a pound of meat is definitely not enough, well for me it woun't be.
Increase your beef intake (since it gives you no problem) and add some fat (even if its grainfed who cares, its still good FAT)...
Have you tried any organ meats?
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I eat 2 pounds of beef a day with lamb fat trimmings and high meat.
I used to have all types of digestive issues and got stomach pains after every meal and food poisoning symptoms every month or two.
I honestly thought that eatting yogurt and dairy was good for balancing stomach issues(I was wrong) I was having bad reactions to dairy and didn't even know it.
When I started the raw paleo diet I tryed drinking raw milk and it made me feel bad so I went dairy free and increased my raw fat intake and started feeling great.
The lower the carbs the better I feel in general and a pure source of Raw animal fat is the key to making my diet work. I know there are some that may doubt what I have personally experienced but its worth considering. I have access to free pasture raised lamb fat trimmings and suet and it is real buttery and I eat about half a pound a day with 2 pounds of beef and feel good. If I get grassfed beef fat at the whole foods, it taste good, but after a day of eatting it I lose my appetite and energy levels. Some of the grain finished fat I used to get was really good, but its seems inconsistent in quality, sometimes it isn't so good. Even my lamb fat has difference from animal, to animal, I got some one time that tasted like toasted grain and was awful, but every other time its been pillowy creamy and good. I have bought meat from different butchers and found some red meat has a sour taste that isn't appealing and I will often turn my nose at it before I can eat it all.
I did eat raw chicken for a couple of months but quality is hard to guarantee and sometimes would feel queasy after eatting it while other times I would feel fine.
Eggs are the same way, I have free range chickens and supplament with table scraps and I notice the different taste of the yokes on different days, sometimes my kids eat more eggs than we can make so I buy some from the store, and the grain fed taste terrible when compaired to farm fresh. Sometimes I will gag at the taste of a cheaper egg yoke. I now buy these pasture raised eggs for 4 dollars a dozen and they seem neutral and healthy.
Its almost like the adaption to a low carb raw carnivore diet has tuned my taste towards purer quality foods(I believe that processed foods, starchy vegtables, and even too much fruit and dairy can prevent the development of this type of sensitivity) Its the tuning of the taste buds that will be most helpfull in preventing food born illness, by steering you away from poor quality.
I love what this diet has done for me and feel like it fits my nature, I think people who are still getting traumatic gut issues after trying to adapt to raw paleo need to try to make some alterations in order to get closer to their personal Ideal. I believe in reductionism, I tryed apple cider vinegar and cultured milk and pro biotics, green drinks thinking that they would offer some health benefits, but what I realized is that health tonics don't help if the diet is not optimally tuned to my personal needs. If there is something that isn't being well tolerated but is kept in the diet as force of habit, it doesn't matter what remedy is thrown on top, you will still not attain optimum health.
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Eggs did perfectly fine. Will up the intake to a lb of meat if I'm hungry enough, to try and keep the expensive milk intake lower. I think perhaps I will wait to reintroduce fruit until after I get some Qephor if it isn't out again. Might wait until sunday for the grain-fed fat.
bought a bit of fish and pork today though, not a lot, just wanted to try them out.. I hadn't eaten any raw pork or raw fish (or any fish other than fishsticks for that matter) ever before, so it was interesting to try them. Just tried them a few minutes ago and they so far don't seem to be causing me any further illness, and will help with my hunger.
Haven't had any diarrhea for i think three days now, so I think I'm doing pretty good. I'm sure if I ate any fruit though, it would cause me some diarrhea again. Gotta wait a few more days before I eat any. Can't wait to eat it again though, it and the raw brazil nuts I bought. They were pretty good.. wondering if I'll like raw walnuts too and stuff. That would be a nice other alternative fat to animal fats, on top of my grain-fed fat trimmings. Never to replace though, animal > plant.
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Wow. I used to eat raw chicken, including Slanker's, but never got Salmonella. I'm going to be more careful when I eat chicken, if I actually will again.
I think I got Salmonella at some point. Can't be sure as the symptoms are so flu-like.
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Ok, so all of my salmonella symptoms have gone away except for some bloody diarrhea. What happens is I get a sharp pain, and then immediately have an urge to go to the bathroom and then piss out my ass. Some of it is blood. However, This has happened to me before when I had food poisoning in the past, I remember I didnt go to the doctors and just dealt with it for a week or so and it went away. If it got too bad though, like too much blood, I would go. Right now it is only a little bit, and I am drinking enough water.
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What color is the blood? If it's really bright/fresh you could have irritated the hell out of your ass and it's raw.
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Ok, so all of my salmonella symptoms have gone away except for some bloody diarrhea. What happens is I get a sharp pain, and then immediately have an urge to go to the bathroom and then piss out my ass. Some of it is blood. However, This has happened to me before when I had food poisoning in the past, I remember I didnt go to the doctors and just dealt with it for a week or so and it went away. If it got too bad though, like too much blood, I would go. Right now it is only a little bit, and I am drinking enough water.
What are you eating? I don't know if it would be the same for you, but whenever I eat any plant food whatsoever, fruit or veg or nuts or anything, it makes my diarrhea worse. I've been eating nothing but meat and dairy and haven't had any diarrhea.
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A half a pound of meat is definitely not enough, well for me it woun't be.
Increase your beef intake (since it gives you no problem) and add some fat (even if its grainfed who cares, its still good FAT)...
Have you tried any organ meats?
Oh and, the ONLY organ meats I can find are commercial grain-fed liver, and it tasted pretty gross to me..
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What color is the blood? If it's really bright/fresh you could have irritated the hell out of your ass and it's raw.
It seems to be dark, but some is bright. Also, it is not an issue of pushing too hard, I am not constipated, so it is not hemmroids. Unfortunately, I think it could be further up in my colon because some of the poop is mixed with blood. Also, the odor smells just like the blood when I open my meat packages. Same smell as the blood you drink from your meat. Maybe that is just going through me?
What are you eating? I don't know if it would be the same for you, but whenever I eat any plant food whatsoever, fruit or veg or nuts or anything, it makes my diarrhea worse. I've been eating nothing but meat and dairy and haven't had any diarrhea.
I have not had an appetite for meat, and am afraid that while having this issue, I will waste valuable meat and it will just go right through me. I have been eating a lot of fruit though, it makes me feel better, even though it prob gives me diarrhea.
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Oh and, the ONLY organ meats I can find are commercial grain-fed liver, and it tasted pretty gross to me..
Grass fed liver is one of the tastiest organs, though it may take some getting used to. It is very rich.
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I have not had an appetite for meat, and am afraid that while having this issue, I will waste valuable meat and it will just go right through me. I have been eating a lot of fruit though, it makes me feel better, even though it prob gives me diarrhea.
Maybe you should try a little meat without eating any fruit all day, and after drinking some milk maybe in the morning, too.. or even try eggs, see if it still goes through you. None of the meat I've been eating has gone through me at all, I haven't had a bowel movement since the last time I ate fruits/nuts really, and have been eating only meat and milk and eggs. The only things that went through me are any types of plant foods. But your condition of course could probably be totally different from mine.
Maybe try fasting for a day or two as well, to try and give your intestines a rest? I fasted for a day and a half and it seemed to help, until I ate fruit again, I would have fasted for longer but I was getting too hungry and losing too much weight.
But if I were you, first I'd fast and not eat/drink anything other than water until I wasn't having diarrhea anymore or until I got too hungry, then the first thing I would eat after fasting(for at least a day) would be ideally some raw kefir/Qephor, or else some raw milk, raw cultured butter, or otherwise raw dairy, for it's probiotics. but I wouldn't risk even probiotic pasteurized yogurts/kefir, I'd rather drink just plain raw milk. Then would wait a few hours to see if the raw dairy caused any diarrhea or not, or pains/problems. If no problems or diarrhea, then I would try eating some raw meat, maybe just a few ounces at first, like I started out with 4 ounces of raw ground beef(organic grass-fed of course), and see how that goes with your intestines. If all goes well, then perhaps up the intake and even try raw egg yolks. If any diarrhea arose however, and the dairy or meat was suspected, then I would stop eating it. That's what I would suggest that you do, but if you really think you do better on fruit, then eat the fruit. Whatever you think will help you get better.
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Grass fed liver is one of the tastiest organs, though it may take some getting used to. It is very rich.
I really want to try some, I just haven't been able to find any at all.
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I couldn't help myself, I couldn't resist them, they were just too tempting and I couldn't pass up such a cheap price, I gave in and bought a pound of strawberries yesterday and ate them all. They were delicious. I thought they would make my diarrhea come back though, but they didn't! I was so happy. Though, I did eat them really slowly and chewed them up as good as I could. and I didn't eat them all at once really, I'd eat a few then wait a while, then eat a few more. I don't know if that made a difference or not, or if I'm just doing better now. But at least now I know I can eat some fruit! I'm so happy now! I love my fruit.
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Ok guys, it's safe to say my salmonella or whatever I had is gone, and I actually feel better than I did before. Detox? ;D