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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: King Salmon on February 08, 2011, 05:38:51 pm
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Wow,here's a video example of the real deal.High meat and all:
http://www.break.com/usercontent/2007/3/27/the-raw-meat-diet-258485
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Only if I could find a woman like that... minus the crazy.
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Only if I could find a woman like that... minus the crazy.
True that...
"The worst part about it is that people think you are crazy" lolz
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"If you don't eat every 5 hours, your body will go into an anorexic state.."
Ummm.. l)
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"If you don't eat every 5 hours, your body will go into an anorexic state.."
Ummm.. l)
This family seems to follow Vonderplanitz's philosophy in full. Not that it is a good or bad thing.
I really did not feel they did much justice to raw meat eating..
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/primal-diet/raw-meat-family-video/
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Well it goes to show that just because you eat a raw meat diet, you can still look like shit. haha.
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Too much of a good thing, IMO. (That "getting up in the night to eat" thing is a little crazy. Does she think cave people would have done that? Setting their 'Flintstone-style' alarms? ;D )
Against their own wishes, Mother Nature probably put cave people through long periods with no food, or when food was thin on the ground. Intermittent fasting simulates this.
(An even easier method is to eat when you're hungry (and awake!) and not eat when you don't.)
Still - good luck to them. They are on the path.
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At least they're happy! All that kefir preparation is time consuming tho, I used to make kefir, 15 mins for me daily, but for a whole family with milking and all and eggs and etc yeah...and a farm.
Raw paleo tho isn't time consuming - Get a piece of meat, eat it. Get some suet or animal fat, chop it into bits in about a min, mix it in or eat it. Get some veg chop it up or eat it whole. Eat fruits if you like, tho i'm non fruit. Not time consuming at all.
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They will live healthy but they wont enjoy life
The males of the family are very weak and degenerated and the females are unattractive at all...
They are freaks....
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They will live healthy but they wont enjoy life
The males of the family are very weak and degenerated and the females are unattractive at all...
They are freaks....
>: That's not nice. We RAFERS already get enough discrimination , discriminating against our own kind is cruel. They are pretty normal to me. They look fun.
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Eating raw meat and food for best health is one thing..
But locking yourself on a farm and force eat every 5 hours is another..
They dont even clean the place where they live. THEY LIVE THERE FFS.
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hmm that's interesting. I don't like how they don't give a shit about their kids education. And the kids getting called freaks is obviously bothering them; that's very bad for their mental state as well as their future health.
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I don't like how they don't give a shit about their kids education. And the kids getting called freaks is obviously bothering them; that's very bad for their mental state as well as their future health.
potentially so, but not necessarily so. It can also lead to a very self suficient personality structure which is a good thing. Someone who does not need the approval of others to feel well about themselves. I dont agree with the 5 hour thing, and I couldnt live like they do. I need my dwelling place to be clean and orderly or I get mentally stressed. I did notice however that they come of as a tightly knitted bunch and there is no doubt in my minds that those parents believe that they are doing the best they can do for their children. I always find inspiration in people who believe in something strongly AND walk the walk for as long as its not an idealogy of violence. Look at the parents eyes. I dont see crazy, I see wamth and care. So they are not photomodels...whatever.
About education. IF you want to be part of society as it is, then education is an absolute must unless you have special talents that you can profit from. If you want to be self sufficient, education is static noise (at best). Education doesnt make you smart, it merely makes you educated. There is a lot of difference and I will offer an example. My brother in law is an chief engineer. He had a real problem getting through to one of the other engineers he worked with. He told him "good we are at -2 which is a definate improvement over the -10 of the last couple of months". answer; "how is that an improvement?". engineer folks...and by no means a stupid person.
If those parents wants their kids to be able to survive outside of it all. I think they are getting a very good education.
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Someone who does not need the approval of others to feel well about themselves.
Does this really apply to anyone?? We are human, of course we want others to like us, friend us, etc. Some of us more needy than others for attentions, but these kids have nothing but each other and parents. They won't fit into society unless, like you said, they have some kind of talent to capitalize on. Obviously the children (or the girl, at least) is bothered by the perception others have of her. I would be too! I am going to be/eat as healthy as I know, but I'm not announcing to the world my dietary habits anytime soon.
While a formal education may not be best for all, NO education is not good either. They are learning ONE trade. That's it. I hope they know the history of their country, of the world, learn to apply mathematics.. I hope they have the opportunity to learn (at least) a second language, to understand science, play an instrument or sport, learn to draw, and speak respectably in their own native language. I hope their curiosities in these areas are not dismissed. I hope they have friends!
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Does this really apply to anyone??
fair enough. I personally find it to be an attractive trait in people.
I didnt say that I share their beliefs. I can see where they are comming from with it as much as I understand what problems it must cause. I saw some of the other clips with the family. A bit on the sensitive side id say, the father broke done crying over 'poisoning' his kids with burgers and fries?! I share your views on basic education entirely. It is just so easy to gather in a circle and point fingers and laugh at anything we dont understand.
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In one of his interviews, Daniel Vitalis spoke of how he envisions raising children as vegans may some day soon be viewed as child abuse, for the simple reason that their bodies are being deprived of key nutrition during the very time they need it most. Vegan kids will not grow up as healthy as omnivorous kids can potentially be, and their lives will be affected by this forever.
I see the same potential here. These kids will grow up emotionally and socially stunted. It is important to have self-esteem that is not dependent on judgements by "experts", but to take away the opportunity to interact with others during formative life stages deprives you of the ability to accept critical comments and to communicate respectfully with people you disagree with. These kids won't grow up to be dependent on the opinions of teachers and other elders in their community, but will instead grow up to be utterly dependent on the opinions and dictates of their parents. This is what often happens to kids who grow up in fundamentalist religious families. They can't function in normal society. They end up walking around in 40, 50, 60 year old bodies but have the emotional maturity of dependent 10-year olds. That's why religious people are so easy to manipulate.
While I applaud the parents for giving their children an opportunity to try a raw diet, I think forcing it on them is extreme and should be viewed as child abuse.
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I disagree. My own mother insisted on feeding me on a relatively healthy, semi-weston-price-type diet when I was a child, which meant that my physical deterioration took longer to happen than otherwise. By contrast, other parents I know fed their children on a SAD diet, and most of them seem to have weird allergies plus asthma and the like.
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In one of his interviews, Daniel Vitalis spoke of how he envisions raising children as vegans may some day soon be viewed as child abuse, for the simple reason that their bodies are being deprived of key nutrition during the very time they need it most. Vegan kids will not grow up as healthy as omnivorous kids can potentially be, and their lives will be affected by this forever.
I see the same potential here. These kids will grow up emotionally and socially stunted. It is important to have self-esteem that is not dependent on judgements by "experts", but to take away the opportunity to interact with others during formative life stages deprives you of the ability to accept critical comments and to communicate respectfully with people you disagree with. These kids won't grow up to be dependent on the opinions of teachers and other elders in their community, but will instead grow up to be utterly dependent on the opinions and dictates of their parents. This is what often happens to kids who grow up in fundamentalist religious families. They can't function in normal society. They end up walking around in 40, 50, 60 year old bodies but have the emotional maturity of dependent 10-year olds. That's why religious people are so easy to manipulate.
While I applaud the parents for giving their children an opportunity to try a raw diet, I think forcing it on them is extreme and should be viewed as child abuse.
this is really well said.
Personally..why I can't say I am against it completely..I think home schooling in general is a poor idea. Everyone I have met that was home schooled (and these were the people that actually made it to college or whatever) were totally sheltered and socially unprepared for reality. Besides which if the parents themselves are paranoid, thats not exactly a good reason for them to all of a sudden become qualified educators. If people are rich and can afford all kinds of private tutoring in various fields and the children are already genuinely motivated..then sure. The 'school of life' definitely happens getting beat up in the locker room..not milking cows. hehe kidding somewhat.
As for diet I think children should have the right to choose, and yet i've seen even fruitaarians claim their kids have choice but choose what they do...well likely if you are instilling some kind of values on toxins or evils of animal foods then the kids are going to be fairly effected by that in their choices. I would make sure if I was raising my kids to be RAF...which i probably wouldn't... that I would have some non RAF Weston Price or possibly other foods avlaible at all times. There would be some totally restricted things of course as with many households used to do. Anyway, i'm pro PD stuff, but I place alot of blame here on general PD obsessiveness. Alot of the PD protocols are obsessive enough for adults..and if children are already comparitivly healthy..why would they need to be so rigorous or on some specific clock? As long as they are avoiding unhealthy food, and eating healthy food that 99.99% of America doesn't have access to at growth stages...then they should have a good foundation for academics..sports etc...
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As for diet I think children should have the right to choose
+1. Ban policies never work. Not as intended anyway. It will not serve the children to be surrounded be 'forbidden fruit' every time they leave the house. It would perhaps even get 'rebel' appeal and eventually become objects of obsession. Rather, teach them about moderation. Then nations with least alcohol problems in youth as far as I can tell are those in which they are introduced to it from an early age as a normal part of every day life. I was quite stunned to realise that a nation I percived as heavy drinkers, the Italians, were in fact not. Public intoxication seemed to be frowned upon openly. Intoxicated youth were told by strangers to fuck off home and sleep it off. Yet they drink wine almost every day. I imagine that France is not completely unlike this.
America's restrictive policies have their kids roll around in the kind of drugs that then become easily available when booze is not. Denmark...well. we're just fucked up. We are introduced to it at an early age but its in an unhealthy way and heavy drinking is not frowned upon at all. Our youth would be the exception that proves the rule, as a matter of fact we are the heaviest drinkers in the world, only topped by Russia. By...Russia!!!
Micro or macro cosmos, it seems to work the same way. Or as a Dutch legislator put it in an interview I saw it; "we managed to stop a lot of our kids from smoking weed.....by making their parents do it".
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I was quite stunned to realise that a nation I percived as heavy drinkers, the Italians, were in fact not. Public intoxication seemed to be frowned upon openly. Intoxicated youth were told by strangers to fuck off home and sleep it off. Yet they drink wine almost every day. I imagine that France is not completely unlike this.
Germany is like this as well.
Also, here's an older thread about some of these issues:
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/general-discussion/social-issues-re-raw-animal-food-diets/msg5913/
I don't think we have enough information to decide whether this diet was forced on the kids, or whether they were given a choice. Also, I remember reading somewhere that their son had mild autism symptoms, and they switched to the PD to try to help him.
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In one of his interviews, Daniel Vitalis spoke of how he envisions raising children as vegans may some day soon be viewed as child abuse, for the simple reason that their bodies are being deprived of key nutrition during the very time they need it most. Vegan kids will not grow up as healthy as omnivorous kids can potentially be, and their lives will be affected by this forever.
My nephew is being raised as a vegetarian, and I think it has negatively affected his development. He is just over 2 years of age, but he seems to be lagging a little in his development. He doesn't talk much and seems to react a little slowly. Maybe I am biased or imagining it but I don't feel like it is my place to question how my brother and his wife are raising their child. On the other hand, I believe that my nephew is becoming an independent human being (slowly), as we all do over time. As a person he ought to be allowed to thrive, as he would on an omnivorous diet.
It is a touchy subject, the last time I argued with my brother about vegetarianism I thought he was going to jump across the table and try to strangle me.
Ryan
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My nephew is being raised as a vegetarian, and I think it has negatively affected his development.
There is no doubt in my mind that it has. However it is not my place nor yours to make that decision.
Sorry you have to witness such a tragedy occur.
How long has he been a vegetarian?
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There is no doubt in my mind that it has. However it is not my place nor yours to make that decision.
Sorry you have to witness such a tragedy occur.
How long has he been a vegetarian?
My brother has been a vegetarian for over 15 years and his wife has been vegetarian since they started dating, before they got married. My nephew is 2 years, 3 months old and has been a vegetarian his entire life. They eat dairy products and eggs (at least).
I was vegan for over 7 years (I had to "outdo" my older brother, how stupid!). Now I think I am seen as a traitor to the cause or something. But I have always been motivated by the same things, such as health and well-being.
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Have you just recently started to eat raw animal foods?
As your health improves it should be easier to lay to waste most, if not all, of the unreasonable vegetarian arguments. At least he is feeding the boy some animal foods, but I doubt they are raw.
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Have you just recently started to eat raw animal foods?
As your health improves it should be easier to lay to waste most, if not all, of the unreasonable vegetarian arguments. At least he is feeding the boy some animal foods, but I doubt they are raw.
I have not eaten raw animal foods except for the past week. I ate cooked paleo for a month. No, the child gets few raw foods and he prefers heavy carbs. For instance, in the last few months he won't drink milk any more and prefers fruit juice. He also won't eat vegetables but instead wants to eat nothing but bread or pasta. Can anyone say "diabetes???"
My brother is in denial, he has had cancer and gained weight, while our younger brother had IBS, leaky gut and even more weight gain (another until-recently vegetarian). I am the only one who has been eating meat for the past decade and interestingly I have had near perfect health. I don't ask anyone to eat the way that I do but I do try to counter various myths about nutrition, such as the "fat makes you fat" myth and the idea that the ideal diet is a low fat, high carb diet or a vegetarian diet. If people discover the truth about food then they can make wiser choices about eating on that basis, or at least that is how the theory goes.
Ryan
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Sad story, my mom and sis eat less and less meat, thanks to said myths. They are very irritable.
All we really can do is develop vibrant health and be ready with some easy to use guidelines.
It may be a good idea to show them raw milk if it is available.
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Sad story, my mom and sis eat less and less meat, thanks to said myths. They are very irritable.
All we really can do is develop vibrant health and be ready with some easy to use guidelines.
It may be a good idea to show them raw milk if it is available.
I think they might be open to raw milk, but more likely is that they will be scared of it. There is a good local weekly delivery though so I think it is worth a shot. Thanks,
Ryan
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I hope they are open to it.
Neurosis (I classify vegetarianism as a form of neurosis) is most likely caused by fat deficiency, aggravated further by the low fat diet. Once they start to get healthy fats to their brain they should become less anxious and more open to eating flesh. If not then at least they are getting some animal protein.
Not to become dogmatic, here is how I see a possible progression.
Raw milk> Raw egg milkshake>Raw Fish>Raw Beef
Last month, I convinced a vegetarian to try raw beef with me. Most people will come running back to meat, if you can support them with reasoning. The raw aspect really helps because all studies proving meat is bad are only showing cooked meat is harmful.
Good luck
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I hope they are open to it.
Neurosis (I classify vegetarianism as a form of neurosis) is most likely caused by fat deficiency, aggravated further by the low fat diet. Once they start to get healthy fats to their brain they should become less anxious and more open to eating flesh. If not then at least they are getting some animal protein.
Not to become dogmatic, here is how I see a possible progression.
Raw milk> Raw egg milkshake>Raw Fish>Raw Beef
Last month, I convinced a vegetarian to try raw beef with me. Most people will come running back to meat, if you can support them with reasoning. The raw aspect really helps because all studies proving meat is bad are only showing cooked meat is harmful.
Good luck
I have wanted to eat RAF/RVAF for some time and I would bring this up often in conversation (the fact that it is cooked meat that is carcinogenic). I am really developing a taste for raw meat the longer I eat it (only been just over a week). It was bland at first but now I find it incredibly tasteful! Raw eggs I can take or leave, I am not sure it would be the best way to go introducing others to RAF. Maybe if I try raw eggs again in another month they will have more flavor. I think my taste buds or the brain receptors for them are adjusting to raw, and the meat tastes better every day.
My younger brother has started eating meat after going through a bout of IBS, I think the doctor gave him some good advice (for once). Too many doctors accept that vegetarianism is healthy.
Of course my older brother (the die hard vegetarian) will eventually see that the meat eaters have better health, but I would rather it not reach that point. Oh well, I do what I can.
I think when he finds out I am eating raw meat he will just think I am crazy. But he already thinks that, I think.
Ryan
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Last month, I convinced a vegetarian to try raw beef with me.
From where do you get your god-like powers?
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I have wanted to eat RAF/RVAF for some time and I would bring this up often in conversation (the fact that it is cooked meat that is carcinogenic). I am really developing a taste for raw meat the longer I eat it (only been just over a week). It was bland at first but now I find it incredibly tasteful! Raw eggs I can take or leave, I am not sure it would be the best way to go introducing others to RAF. Maybe if I try raw eggs again in another month they will have more flavor. I think my taste buds or the brain receptors for them are adjusting to raw, and the meat tastes better every day.
My younger brother has started eating meat after going through a bout of IBS, I think the doctor gave him some good advice (for once). Too many doctors accept that vegetarianism is healthy.
Of course my older brother (the die hard vegetarian) will eventually see that the meat eaters have better health, but I would rather it not reach that point. Oh well, I do what I can.
I think when he finds out I am eating raw meat he will just think I am crazy. But he already thinks that, I think.
Ryan
Raw meat tastes delicious to me, I absolutely love it. The flavor, the water content, the ease of digestion, all of it.
Your little brother may be a good route to make raw animal foods seem acceptable to your eldest. He may be more convinced if both of you developed extraordinary health eating raw meat, so long as you don't tease him or bug him too much about it. That could make him drive his head further in the sand. You could ruin your relationship that way.
Your little brother may be up for it too, it would without a doubt take less convincing. Just work on strengthening your body and immune systems with him. After a while I am sure your big bro will notice he is getting sicker and you are benefiting. So long as you keep a warm and welcoming attitude with him, he is bound to open up.
From where do you get your god-like powers?
Raw animal foods of course! LoL
If you get a cut, your body heals itself. Your body is a machine that wants to thrive, physically, mentally and all the rest of it.
If you continually provide the tools it needs, in only a matter of time you will become a force to be reckoned with.
Plus, she thinks I am sexy. ;D
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Your little brother may be a good route to make raw animal foods seem acceptable to your eldest. He may be more convinced if both of you developed extraordinary health eating raw meat, so long as you don't tease him or bug him too much about it. That could make him drive his head further in the sand. You could ruin your relationship that way.
I think it might be too late for that, he thinks I am some kind of monster due to my political beliefs.
Your little brother may be up for it too, it would without a doubt take less convincing. Just work on strengthening your body and immune systems with him. After a while I am sure your big bro will notice he is getting sicker and you are benefiting. So long as you keep a warm and welcoming attitude with him, he is bound to open up.
Yeah he is more open and easy to talk to. And he is already interested in raw milk.
If you get a cut, your body heals itself. Your body is a machine that wants to thrive, physically, mentally and all the rest of it.
If you continually provide the tools it needs, in only a matter of time you will become a force to be reckoned with.
I feel like Luke in Star Wars: A New Hope... :P
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I say go the little brother route! A good idea would be to learn how to put together a good steak tartare. Treat him to gourmet to break the raw ice. After I had my first good steak tartare it was a slippery slope into eating steaks straight up.
I think it might be too late for that, he thinks I am some kind of monster due to my political beliefs.
I know how that feels. When one says anarchy, most people picture Sid Vicious throwing a metal trash can through their front window. Stealing all their stuff and raping them, in the ass.
Recently I have learned to not push it so ungracefully, I used to talk shiva all of the time. F*** THA POLICE bla bla bla.. No need, it is inevitable. The elite class is just as diseased as the rest of them. Just look at GWBush and just about any police officer.
I feel like Luke in Star Wars: A New Hope... :P
Congratulations, you have stumbled upon a way of living that may help you to survive when the next bad ass plague comes around. I'm glad to welcome you!
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I say go the little brother route! A good idea would be to learn how to put together a good steak tartare. Treat him to gourmet to break the raw ice. After I had my first good steak tartare it was a slippery slope into eating steaks straight up.
I know how that feels. When one says anarchy, most people picture Sid Vicious throwing a metal trash can through their front window. Stealing all their stuff and raping them, in the ass.
I plan on making some fancy looking foods to bring to family gatherings. As far as being an anarcho-capitalist, the most common response I get from family members is that I lack compassion for others, which is odd because compassion for others is one of the factors that motivated me to identify myself as such. If government would get out of the way we could all work towards solving the problems that everyone says need solving.
Recently I have learned to not push it so ungracefully, I used to talk shiva all of the time. F*** THA POLICE bla bla bla.. No need, it is inevitable. The elite class is just as diseased as the rest of them. Just look at GWBush and just about any police officer.
Them: Why do you hate the police so much?
Me: I don't hate the police in particular so much as I dislike armed criminal enterprises in general, especially when they assume an air of legitimacy.
Congratulations, you have stumbled upon a way of living that may help you to survive when the next bad ass plague comes around. I'm glad to welcome you!
Thanks. In retrospect I see it was just a matter of time. If you are someone who is pursuing truth in every aspect of your life eating raw animal foods is unavoidable in the end. Only self-delusion (and the support of others equally self-deluded) can sustain eating a SAD indefinitely.
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I have wanted to eat RAF/RVAF for some time and I would bring this up often in conversation (the fact that it is cooked meat that is carcinogenic). I am really developing a taste for raw meat the longer I eat it (only been just over a week). It was bland at first but now I find it incredibly tasteful! Raw eggs I can take or leave, I am not sure it would be the best way to go introducing others to RAF. Maybe if I try raw eggs again in another month they will have more flavor. I think my taste buds or the brain receptors for them are adjusting to raw, and the meat tastes better every day.
My younger brother has started eating meat after going through a bout of IBS, I think the doctor gave him some good advice (for once). Too many doctors accept that vegetarianism is healthy.
Of course my older brother (the die hard vegetarian) will eventually see that the meat eaters have better health, but I would rather it not reach that point. Oh well, I do what I can.
I think when he finds out I am eating raw meat he will just think I am crazy. But he already thinks that, I think.
Ryan
Have you tried only eating the egg yolk. It is absolutely delicious this way. It is the part of my meal that I look most forward to. Don't be afraid of being different. People tend to think that I am also crazy or weird, but I shrug it off. Being like everyone is else is boring after all. ;)
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Have you tried only eating the egg yolk. It is absolutely delicious this way. It is the part of my meal that I look most forward to. Don't be afraid of being different. People tend to think that I am also crazy or weird, but I shrug it off. Being like everyone is else is boring after all. ;)
I have noticed that for some who are new to eating raw foods, they find that raw milk and raw eggs are easier to eat, but have more trouble with raw meat. For me it is the opposite. The eggs just have little flavor.
The eggs I have been buying are free-range, though I did question the farmer and his hens are fed organic grains. I have checked at eatwild.com and I cannot find a source of true grain-free chickens or eggs, so I will probably just stick with red meat and wild fish, as these are the only grain-free foods I can find. All of the local (within a 4 hour drive) pork is also fed some kind of grains. It is really annoying that they are able to list on eatwild.com, if there was a grain-free farm listing I would use that instead.
I know Slanker's has grain-free pork and poultry but I would rather avoid the added expenses. Beef lamb and fish are what's for dinner.
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They look like any other farming family to me. I think they are pretty cool myself and dont find any of them particularly unattractive, just average all around. Also theyve only been on the diet for less than a year, thats not a long time at all so we shouldnt judge yet. I would love to live the way they do, except maybe without the getting up in the middle of the night, that seems a bit much for me.
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This family isn't as picturesque as I'd hoped. I would think a raw paleo family would be more robust and energetic, and not so cynical and negative, removing themselves from society, that isn't what this is all about to me. My guess would be that it's the raw milk, and raw eggs that aren't good for them. These two things across the board seem to give people trouble.
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This family isn't as picturesque as I'd hoped. I would think a raw paleo family would be more robust and energetic, and not so cynical and negative, removing themselves from society, that isn't what this is all about to me. My guess would be that it's the raw milk, and raw eggs that aren't good for them. These two things across the board seem to give people trouble.
To me, removing oneself from society goes very well with the raw paleo diet. They don't seem negative at all to me. Different people are different.
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they are just super extreme, when ever anyone gets fanatical or does things based out of fear (ie waking up at 2AM to eat so as to avoid "anoriexia") disbiosis is what naturally follows
waking in at 2AM is probably the worst thing they could be doing for themselves and honestly i think it is enough to invalidate their other healthy practices...
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Yeah, health should be totally evident. If someone's telling you to do something, and they're not radiating energy and vibrancy themselves, you ought to be super skeptical.
Also maybe we weren't meant to sleep through the night like that anyway Jessica. When you look at peoples living closer to the rhythm of the earth like natives, they often nap throughout the day. Which is probably the way it should be, sleep when you're tired, wake up when you're good and ready! Of course no tribe was ever full raw either, so maybe cooked food was dragging them down. Aajonus claims to sleep very little, and lately as I've been extremely raw I've been running on fewer sleep hours but without the mental or physical fatigue I'd expect usually. But that is just a side comment, I totally 100% agree with you that the obsession and anxiety is worse than the alternative.
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they are just super extreme, when ever anyone gets fanatical or does things based out of fear (ie waking up at 2AM to eat so as to avoid "anoriexia") disbiosis is what naturally follows
waking in at 2AM is probably the worst thing they could be doing for themselves and honestly i think it is enough to invalidate their other healthy practices...
Yeah, them waking up at 2 am is just stupid. I think wild humans fasted anyway because they didn't always have food.
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Yeah, them waking up at 2 am is just stupid. I think wild humans fasted anyway because they didn't always have food.
Most of them, when food wasn't available, picked up and moved to where it was available. Not all of them, of course, and the vast majority of them also knew which local plants were edible, too. I don't think any of them fasted involuntarily all that often.
Anyway... those people's house is absolutely disgusting. They're not as unattractive as some people said, but good personal hygiene goes a LONG way toward an appearance of beauty and they're gonna need to work on that a little bit.
I wonder how much of that video is pure propaganda. They made everything look disgusting.
One of us should turn them on to pemmican. They could use a lot less plastic that way. Cleaner.
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We shouldnt excpect them to radiate health so strongly after less than 1 year on the diet. Thats not a long time at all.
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I saw a program on tv about the darkness that was fascinating. In it they said that as short a time ago - my memory is not serving me at the moment - perhaps I need more fat? - but I think it was as late as the 17th and 18th centuries no one slept all the way through the night. They were polyphasic sleepers. They would sleep in two shifts and get up in the middle of the night and go visiting - which was pretty dangerous in the dark - but sleeping all the way through the night just didn't happen. They would go to bed with the sun, wake up for awhile and then go back to sleep.
The thing about eating in the middle of the night might have more to do with the diabetes maybe? They are new to eating well so are still probably in the process of trying to get their blood sugars stable. They will probably put it together eventually that they don't have to wake up specifically to eat.
They are also farm people so much of what they do might not be that much different without the diet. The benefit of having public school teachers and school children's outside influence in that system would have to weighed with the damages that standard education can do. Not such an easy choice.
Remember too that we saw in this video just the tiniest little soundbites - and probably picked to be the most dramatic. We don't know what hobbies and interests other than the farm might be promoted by the parents.
I give these people a lot of credit for stepping out of the box and trying to do what they can to the best they can figure out and manage despite the judgments of others.
I went to school and college and when I went to pick up milk at a farm one day the homeschooled children laughed out loud at me not knowing how many pints are in a quart. I was chained to a desk to do math that I hated and came away with nothing except blocked bad memories. The parents DID say that the childrens' education is self-directed so who knows - maybe one WANTS to learn math or language (music is no longer taught in most schools - but maybe one likes music) and is learning these things. If they aren't interested in a subject - what good is hitting them over the head with it?
I came out of high school with no skills what-so-ever knowing close to nothing. At least these kids will know how many pints are in a quart!
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All modern 8-12 education really serves to do nowadays is keep kids out of the job market and off the street. Doesn't really do that great a job for the latter, but keeps them out of jobs pretty good.
I applaud self-directed education. Kids who learn what they want to learn learn it well and learn it quickly. I would never have finished high school (i.e., passed the GED test) were it not for self-paced study, but I'd have a happier life if I'd have been able to learn the things that made a difference in my own personal situation. Kudos to them on that score.
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Can we really judge their health after watching a blurry two and a half minute video that was edited for the most sensational effect?
As for interrupting our sleep at midnight, I've never done it myself but there is recent research that indicates our sleeping patterns before artificial lighting was in two phases:
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In the early 1990s, psychiatrist Thomas Wehr conducted an experiment in which a group of people were plunged into darkness for 14 hours every day for a month.
It took some time for their sleep to regulate but by the fourth week the subjects had settled into a very distinct sleeping pattern. They slept first for four hours, then woke for one or two hours before falling into a second four-hour sleep.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16964783 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16964783)
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Some of you need to learn respect. Didn't your momma teachu nothin?
Humans can be so cold, me included. Remind me to never feed the wolves.
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It looks like a 2 minutes fragment of longer video. Does anyone know where I can find whole video?
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Now I realize it is one of the "Wife Swap" episodes! Too bad I cant find the whole episode anywhere :/
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Try project free tv or solarmovie.eu
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I saw a program on tv about the darkness that was fascinating [...] They were polyphasic sleepers. They would sleep in two shifts and get up in the middle of the night and go visiting...
Mark Sisson did a post on this a couple years back: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/biphasic-sleep/#axzz2KHesC74O (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/biphasic-sleep/#axzz2KHesC74O)
gc: All modern 8-12 education really serves to do nowadays is keep kids out of the job market and off the street. Doesn't really do that great a job for the latter, but keeps them out of jobs pretty good.
Daniel Quinn makes that same argument in his book "My Ishmael." He actually makes a lot of great points about mandatory education in it.