Paleo Diet: Raw Paleo Diet and Lifestyle Forum
Other Raw-Animal-Food Diets (eg:- Primal Diet/Raw Version of Weston-Price Diet etc.) => Primal Diet => Topic started by: healthyeater88 on December 08, 2014, 01:48:54 pm
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I don't feel comfortable with eating raw meat unfortunately, but I still want to get benefits from the book's diet.
What do you suggest?
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Well to be honest I'm a little less bothered by eating raw fish but do I need to eat land animals to get the benefits?
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it is possible for some , though difficult for others. I, for example, do not tolerate raw eggs in large quantities and do not thrive well long-term on a diet of solely raw seafood and raw plant food.
I suppose if you have no problems with raw seafood or raw dairy or raw eggs(the latter 3 preferably coming from grassfed sources), then you could live off those. I suspect that, after some time, you will eventually become used to eating raw meats as well.
In my own case, I had problems eating raw meats because my teeth were so weakened from years of eating cooked foods that they were in danger of falling off. Leaving them to age for a while softened them up and made them easier to chew quickly and bolt down.
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I started raw paleo diet with WAI DIET.
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/wai-dieters/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/wai-dieters/)
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I think raw seafood is way way more important than land mammal meat.
I think one can have great health on a diet without meat but with lots of oysters mussels, fish... and eggs.
I myself eat more seafood as I do meat... and I eat my meat mostly in the form of organs.. mostly heart... and some liver.......
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I almost never eat meat. I do eat probably 3-4 pounds of fish/shellfish/roe weekly, and have been doing this for several years. Just make sure you're getting enough fat.
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I almost never eat meat. I do eat probably 3-4 pounds of fish/shellfish/roe weekly, and have been doing this for several years. Just make sure you're getting enough fat.
Exactly. Makes sense to me.
I just can't imagine myself eating raw meat.
But I love fish and seafood in general, so I'll be eating lots of that instead.
Thanks for your comment.
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Exactly. Makes sense to me.
I just can't imagine myself eating raw meat.
But I love fish and seafood in general, so I'll be eating lots of that instead.
Thanks for your comment.
you're welcome. Try to get some fish roe from time to time, it's extremely nutritious.
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CK, what roe do you buy?
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CK, what roe do you buy?
in order of most to least eaten--tobiko, salmon roe, whitefish roe, crab roe. Those are what I can easily get.
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CK, I'm going for the roe details now: which ones are you buying salted, which are frozen, and which are still in the animal? I love salmon roe and buy them "prepared" by sieving and salting. Dungeness crab season is starting here in California, do you ever find roe in live crab?
P.S. are you in California now?
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I suppose if you have no problems with raw seafood or raw dairy or raw eggs(the latter 3 preferably coming from grassfed sources), then you could live off those. I suspect that, after some time, you will eventually become used to eating raw meats as well.
So Tyler you now accept raw grass-fed dairy as legitimate in paleo diet?
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CK, I'm going for the roe details now: which ones are you buying salted, which are frozen, and which are still in the animal? I love salmon roe and buy them "prepared" by sieving and salting. Dungeness crab season is starting here in California, do you ever find roe in live crab?
P.S. are you in California now?
I live in Virginia right now, although I've spent most of my years in North Carolina. Tobiko I get prepared with the usual flavorings, because that's all that is available to me. Salmon roe I get the same as you. Whitefish roe same as salmon. Crab roe usually same as tobiko (I think), but I can get Chesapeake Bay blue crab "roe" (really it's all the innards, including roe, I believe) in season. I've not had fresh roe straight from the animal ever, the closest would be the capelin roe I sometimes can get.
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FYI I started this diet with wai diet, raw sea food and egg yolks... but after 3 months I was craving for more... and I found raw red meat and raw saturated fat to be just so awesome... I gorged on raw red meat for some 3 years until I think I topped off... and I went on minimal these days.
Try to read up on instinctive / instincto diet... find out what you have been missing and be ready to adjust and go with the flow.
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So Tyler you now accept raw grass-fed dairy as legitimate in paleo diet?
No, not really. However, I have come across a number of people who point out that raw dairy saved their lives. I have also come across plenty who have suffered a great deal from consuming raw dairy. I suppose, though, that my mindset has also softened a bit on this issue as, in recent years, I have experienced far fewer immediate health-issues on the very rare occasions I consumed raw dairy. In the past, whatever raw dairy I consumed, I would immediately have to urinate a considerable amount, in an obvious attempt by my body to get rid of the stuff as quickly as possible. I don't have that symptom any more. The way I see it, people with very severe health-problems should avoid raw dairy altogether as such people are more likely to have stronger allergenic reactions to raw dairy and other non-palaeo foods. People with few health-problems should experiment with raw dairy to see if it suits them or not, with an obvious caveat that health-problems are a possibility for some in the long-term even if they experience no issues in the short-term(eg:- osteoporosis etc.). Whatever the case, I find that very, very few thrive on raw dairy in large amounts in the long-term, so definitely still frown on Primal-Diet-style consumption thereof.
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Although, I have, over the years, managed to get hold of a great source of high-quality raw nutrients, I still get envious of people like CK who have access to raw fish roe and GS who has access to a staggeringly wide variety of fruits among other things. At the moment, I am nowhere near the sea, so I have to pay far too much for raw seafood which has , of course, been prefrozen. Raw fish roe is nowhere to be found, only tins of pasteurised roe in supermarkets. Fruit-variety is also pretty bad. I mean , I would prefer it if I had access to a wide variety of apples or pears or bananas.
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It's weird you assume that urinating after drinking something is a sign of your body trying to rid of that substance. Is it possible that it was working to help balance out electrolytes and relieve the body of excess water retention? I find raw milk is an excellent replenisher of bodily fluids causing neither bloating nor constipation and in fact relieving these symptoms for myself and others. It also seems to help replenish the mucus membranes as well as the skin of much needed moisture and oils.
Raw whey (and possibly the pasturized organic dairy that i was eating at the time) was one of the few things that stopped my teeth from degenerating further. I believe raw dairy has been cruicial in rebuilding my bones from the degeneration that occurred during a 5 year period of low weight, low hormones, severe adrenal fatigue, excess psychological and physical stress. I do not think I would be nearly as recovered if I did not have the vitamins and minerals made so readily available in raw milk. It is my belief that raw milk always works to repair and build the digestive system and bones of the individual because its purpose to animals is to grow the digestive system and bones towards maturity. Which to me would indicate that it contains substances that are also beneficial to repairing these systems. It is true that some people have issues with digestion and assimilation but my guess is that some of this is psychosomatic, as well as caused by environmental stress and also due to other substances being put into the body that are hindering digestive repair.
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Milk is actually very bad for bones in the long-term:-
http://www.4.waisays.com/ExcessiveCalcium.htm (http://www.4.waisays.com/ExcessiveCalcium.htm)
Re urinating:- not weird at all. I experienced excess urination soon after consuming raw dairy, no matter how hydrated I was. Plus, I would experience constipation, and later on, an urge to vacate the bowels if I ate raw cheese. When I first experimented with raw dairy, I would routinely experience dry skin among many other ailments, which would increase in terms of frequency and quantity and variety until I gave up the raw dairy. As soon as I gave it up, my loosened teeth started to rebuild and get stronger, my chronic fatigue started to disappear etc. etc.
My point was, solely, that since I have long recovered from my past health-problems, that my initial, past issues with raw dairy, years ago, are either nonexistent or much-lessened PROVIDED that I do not consume it all that often or in quantity. If I ever went back to consuming raw dairy regularly for many months/years, with little or no raw-meat-intake, then I would end up with the past health-problems I had pre-rpd diet.
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I'm personally having an excellent experience with raw milk (always drinking it fermented, not more than 300ml / day - if I don't let it ferment for long, like 20 hs (25 Cº), its like addict, but when i let it ferment, it dont, i dont know why) and with a lot of cream.. i mean a lot.. 350 grms of cream / day (raw cream, pastured, from the farm of some old couple living 10km from here) and cheese made by me with the raw milk.
i was having problems in my mouth but since i cuted down all carbs (honey and fruit) i'm without pains again =)
i'm also having so great time going to poo, first time in my life i have 2 weeks straight of well formed (banana like) without constipation nor diarrea (but i can say is BECAUSE the dairy.. its just the diet i'm following right now.. with eggs and meat/fish [no more than 200 grms/day])
i liked this article (regarding calcium, bones, and hormones) from Ron Rosedale
http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2011/06/25/ron-rosedale-healthy-bones/ (http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2011/06/25/ron-rosedale-healthy-bones/)
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Regarding raw dairy, I have not had success with raw milk from any animal.
I cannot find a steady enough in quantity of raw butter.
But I can and do get various raw cheese from a European delicatessen, and as Aajonus Vonderplanitz described, there is benefit in raw cheese.
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i liked this article (regarding calcium, bones, and hormones) from Ron Rosedale
http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2011/06/25/ron-rosedale-healthy-bones/ (http://www.meandmydiabetes.com/2011/06/25/ron-rosedale-healthy-bones/)
That article is SO LONG. Since you read it already, would you please give a summary of what Rosedale said about grass-fed raw cheese in particular, If he mentioned it at all?
Tyler and others, thanks for sharing your views on raw dairy.
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Regarding raw dairy, I have not had success with raw milk from any animal.
I cannot find a steady enough in quantity of raw butter.
But I can and do get various raw cheese from a European delicatessen, and as Aajonus Vonderplanitz described, there is benefit in raw cheese.
Of course, one can find a benefit in everything: Tyler even thinks that a global nuclear war would be beneficial… LOL!
Seriously, anything that somehow feeds you provides a nutritional benefit, be it bread, raviolis, ice-cream or whatever usually considered as food. I wonder why there isn’t yet a discussion on the benefits of French-fried potatoes on this forum. ;D
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That article is SO LONG. Since you read it already, would you please give a summary of what Rosedale said about grass-fed raw cheese in particular, If he mentioned it at all?
Tyler and others, thanks for sharing your views on raw dairy.
roughly, it explains how bones are formed, what kind of "ingredients" are used by the body. I recommend you listening to it, or reading, if you want to learn, sometimes it takes time
it's not a talk about what foods make you good and what makes you bad, it goes a little bit deeper on how the body works.
he didn't say any specefic about raw grass fed cheese in particular that i can remember. even you can use the search function on the webpage to search by yourself.
what do you want to know about raw cheese? if it is "good" for forming bones? or if it good for eating ? or if you will die prematurely by eating it? or if rosedale "approves" it?
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I wonder why there isn’t yet a discussion on the benefits of French-fried potatoes on this forum. ;D
just wait! soon enough there will be someone saying is good to eat a little bit of french-fried potatoes because it have some special kind of RS that is uniquely found in fried potatos and nowhere else that gives you some special kind of nutrition that can't be get in any other way!!!! and it will have even "scientific" proof !!!! :P
it's not a bad idea to eat raw cheese if it is good for you and you feel nourished with it, despite what everyone has to say, they have one thousand excuses and scientific works to say to you "dont eat that dont eat this, eat that!" if you hear people everyone will be defending his own diet.
I have even heard a lot of "centenarian" stories that they used to eat curd even until they died. you will even heard stories of people that is really sick "cause" dairy at 25 years old.
nobody is saying to you the whole story. people at 25 maybe used to eat 300 grms of some weird cheese from the supermarket, cooked in a pizza (when the cheese got the brown color), and maybe the centenarians were eating just 50 grms raw curd (and chewed it until it is totally liquid before swallowing)
it's not only what food..
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what do you want to know about raw cheese? if it is "good" for forming bones? or if it good for eating ? or if you will die prematurely by eating it? or if rosedale "approves" it?
RIght. I want to know the scientific reasoning about raw cheese. I hope Rosedale is scientifically minded and so I could trust his view on raw cheese.
Some say dairy is good for bones. Others say it is injurious.
Some say if it is raw and you like it, it must be good for your body. Others say dairy, even raw, is addictive like opium. So obviously you cannot judge its goodness by how much you crave it.
Some say experiment for yourself and see if it does any good/harm to you. Others say the damages might not show until years later.
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RIght. I want to know the scientific reasoning about raw cheese. I hope Rosedale is scientifically minded and so I could trust his view on raw cheese.
Some say dairy is good for bones. Others say it is injurious.
Some say if it is raw and you like it, it must be good for your body. Others say dairy, even raw, is addictive like opium. So obviously you cannot judge its goodness by how much you crave it.
Some say experiment for yourself and see if it does any good/harm to you. Others say the damages might not show until years later.
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Yep, but one thing's for sure: your ancestors didn't get any before the advent of agriculture and domesticated land animals, 10,000 years ago.
Perhaps if they managed to kill a lactating female and cut open her udder straight away, which would probably happen once or twice in a ancient human's lifetime. Quite impossible to capture a wild animal alive and extract milk from its udder without causing harm, as the animal would be in so much stress.
So if you accept the idea that humans do best on foods that where consumed during the greatest part of our evolutionary course, as opposed to the foods only consumed -and made consumable- since the "insignificant" time length of 10.000 years for milk and grains, and 500.000 years for cooked food (point in time estimated), then you may come to the conclusion that milk and dairy ins't something you should be drinking or eating daily... Or ever. No matter what experts, be they independent or supported by beliefs and agricultural corporations, may say.
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the same can be said about those peoples living in the northern part of the world for countless hundreds of generations, never eating bananas or durian, and those living near the equator. They didn't have any chance of adapting to bananas... Any yet we don't say that if we have northern European blood lines, 'Don't eat a banana!' It's so easy to mentally try to figure things out.
Oh that's right, I forgot, before they migrated to the northern regions, they had had their fill of bananas before they left. Hmm, I wonder if that's why they left, the 30 banana a day diet eventually didn't satisfy.
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the same can be said about those peoples living in the northern part of the world for countless hundreds of generations, never eating bananas or durian, and those living near the equator. They didn't have any chance of adapting to bananas... Any yet we don't say that if we have northern European blood lines, 'Don't eat a banana!' It's so easy to mentally try to figure things out.
Oh that's right, I forgot, before they migrated to the northern regions, they had had their fill of bananas before they left. Hmm, I wonder if that's why they left, the 30 banana a day diet eventually didn't satisfy.
Lol yeah perhaps :P I guess your right, however bananas are not constituted the same way as milk, which is a food rich in specific hormones and nutrients exclusively aimed to the nutrition and development of the little one of a particular specie. And bananas are much more easily available for human consumption than the milk of another animal, in times prior to the Neolithic era (agriculture), if those ancient humans would happen to end up in an area where bananas grow.
Humans also had access to fruits native to America such as tomatoes or deep sea fishes very late in their evolutionary course, but I think humans can do better on these kind of food because they "behave" in a similar way to other foods (fruits, vegetables, meat) with one's organism as opposed to milk, which is a food specifically produced-for and directed to one particular specie's younglings, and to them only.
Apparently Japanese kids who where introduced to dairy, a center piece of the Occidental diet, noticeably grew in size as compared to their parents, but demonstrated issues in brain development and intelligence. In fact the milk calves feed on is meant for them to develop important bone mass, and little brain. While it is almost the opposite with human milk (lots of brain, less bone mass).
But this subject has been discussed countless times, and as it has more or less been agreed by the members of this forum that milk is not a common"Paleo" food. I guess it only comes to the individual to experiment for himself, and take responsibility for doing so when the person decides to eat such food on a regular basis.
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They didn't have any chance of adapting to bananas...
They didn't have any chance either of adapting to livestock such as beef, mutton or pork ! ;)
But this subject has been discussed countless times, and as it has more or less been agreed by the members of this forum that milk is not a common "Paleo" food, I guess it only comes to the individual to experiment for himself, and take responsibility for doing so when the person decides to eat such food on a regular basis.
Absolutely and even more so: it’s unanimously agreed that milk (breastfed infant excepted) is a neolithic-modern food, just as cereal grains.
Some time later, the whole family joined by two friends (one of them I know very well) started to eat all raw. As a physicist, GCB is a very meticulous experimenter and observer (I found it out when he stayed a few months at my place). They started from scratch, questioning all the contemporary beliefs in nutrition and they set up a whole series of experiments on mice, other animals and themselves. I think one of their first findings was that our alimentary instinctive regulation works well enough with unprocessed stuff, but is severely hampered by cooked, spiced, processed and mixed stuff.
Luckily, after a while on 100% raw food, especially GCB himself started to get strong reactions when he eats something which is not ok and this helped a lot to identify the foods which should not be eaten. They came to suspect wheat as a troublesome food, and this was well confirmed with the mice experiments. At the time, they were vegetarians, because nobody around had ever thought that we could eat raw meat. I don’t know whether they ate eggs, we should ask him.
They drank milk from an organic farmer because the idea that milk isn’t a initial food had not yet emerged from anybody’s mind. But after some time, GCB started to suspect that something was wrong with that milk since every time he drank some, he had troubles. Thus, they bought a goat to have their own controlled source of perfect milk. Still it seemed to induce troubles and they also noticed that it doesn’t trigger any neat instinctive stop. Himself drank it by periods, perhaps one or two months with milk and one or two without. Then it was clear that it was milk which triggered problems, such as infections of wounds or even without apparent reasons.
It took some serious debate and thinking to find out the reason, until GCB realized that milk consumption could only have appeared after the domestication of animals, about 8000 years ago. So, they suppressed all milk from their diet and thus became vegan or almost.
Then…
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the same can be said about those peoples living in the northern part of the world for countless hundreds of generations, never eating bananas or durian, and those living near the equator. They didn't have any chance of adapting to bananas... Any yet we don't say that if we have northern European blood lines, 'Don't eat a banana!' It's so easy to mentally try to figure things out.
Really? Oh knoes! I ate TWO bananas today! I's gonna die from the carbos! :o ;D
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They didn't have any chance either of adapting to livestock such as beef, mutton or pork ! ;)
Is there nothing we can eat? ;)
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I meant bananas are a fruit as beef is a meat. I eat both!
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Is there nothing we can eat? ;)
Relax! In terms of this discussion of the adult diet, this animal flesh is like that animal flesh, and the same similarities apply to other human foods; whereas milk is completely unlike other dietary components. Maybe that makes sense, or maybe I'm just looking for a simple reason why milk is so "toxic" to me.
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Glad you understood me! I guess Phil was joking.
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Absolutely and even more so: it’s unanimously agreed that milk (breastfed infant excepted) is a neolithic-modern food, just as cereal grains.
Yep, sounds right to me!
Relax! In terms of this discussion of the adult diet, this animal flesh is like that animal flesh, and the same similarities apply to other human foods; whereas milk is completely unlike other dietary components. Maybe that makes sense, or maybe I'm just looking for a simple reason why milk is so "toxic" to me.
That's what I was trying to say, but you said it better than me ;)
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Glad you understood me! I guess Phil was joking.
Yup! ;) I'm not afraid of either domesticated meats or bananas.
On a more serious note, questions like the one in the original post can only be answered for sure by the individual himself/herself. No one can know what's going to work for someone else.
It's a bit strange that Westerners tend to be more willing to eat fish raw than beef. Isn't fish more likely to contain parasites, rather than less? I read that somewhere.
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You must mean fresh water fish may have more parasites?
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Yeah, especially fresh water fish. I've seen parasites in multiple fresh water fish, never in beef.
And I've bitten into "sashimi-quality" fresh raw fish that had gone somewhat bad. The only time that happened with beef was when I left it way too long in the fridge in a sealed plastic bag.
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Lol yeah perhaps :P I guess your right, however bananas are not constituted the same way as milk, which is a food rich in specific hormones and nutrients exclusively aimed to the nutrition and development of the little one of a particular specie. And bananas are much more easily available for human consumption than the milk of another animal, in times prior to the Neolithic era (agriculture), if those ancient humans would happen to end up in an area where bananas grow.
Humans also had access to fruits native to America such as tomatoes or deep sea fishes very late in their evolutionary course, but I think humans can do better on these kind of food because they "behave" in a similar way to other foods (fruits, vegetables, meat) with one's organism as opposed to milk, which is a food specifically produced-for and directed to one particular specie's younglings, and to them only.
Apparently Japanese kids who where introduced to dairy, a center piece of the Occidental diet, noticeably grew in size as compared to their parents, but demonstrated issues in brain development and intelligence. In fact the milk calves feed on is meant for them to develop important bone mass, and little brain. While it is almost the opposite with human milk (lots of brain, less bone mass).
But this subject has been discussed countless times, and as it has more or less been agreed by the members of this forum that milk is not a common"Paleo" food. I guess it only comes to the individual to experiment for himself, and take responsibility for doing so when the person decides to eat such food on a regular basis.
I say this a lot, so pardon the repetitiveness,, milk from animals, even if it comes from hay, is a different food from milk from animals eating only green grass. This is not even mentioning the bigger differences from pasteurization, homogenization, grain feeding, close filthy living quarters, inoculations and hormones added to feed stuff. To really know whether of not milk will work for you is to first make sure you have lactose digesting enzymes present in abundance in your colon, and begin with milk by ingesting very very small amounts and increasing over some weeks, even months guaranteeing that the colonies of bacteria are growing to handle the lactose. Typically one will have problems simply ingesting milk if one has been off dairy for some years, especially if you've had doses of antibiotics.
My opinion, I doubt very seriously that proper milk ingested by those with proper cultured intestines will contribute to a decrease in intelligence. If that were so, prior to the industrial revolution, the world would be dumb. But then I'm sure there are those that would think that was the case.
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Really? Oh knoes! I ate TWO bananas today! I's gonna die from the carbos! :o ;D
that's my point, we don't die, and we do adapt very readily from foods our ancestors have never eaten for thousands of years.
Well except, I guess, there are diseases that apparently come from an overload of sugar and insulin responses causing all sorts or complications over the long term. But not short term at least.
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Thanks to all for advice on milk.
One thing I keep thinking about is that the Bible calls the Promised Land "a land flowing with milk and honey." It appears that raw natural honey and raw grass-fed dairy should be something good.
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One thing I keep thinking about is that the Bible calls the Promised Land "a land flowing with milk and honey." It appears that raw natural honey and raw grass-fed dairy should be something good.
That phrase was written well after the paleolithic era! And it's no wonder that milk and honey were mentioned... Milk (before the fat is skimmed out) is a creamy delicacy with none of the gaminess of animal fat. Honey's natural sweetness was around long before mankind invented extraction of concentrated sugar from plant juices. Magnify this by the fact that the land was actually a desert, and it's easy to imagine that the phrase was nothing more than a metaphor for the life of abundance.
Anyways, even nowadays, the foods that signal opulent dining are not always good. I guess I live in the Land of Milk Duds and Honey-Toasted O's.
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Yeah, especially fresh water fish. I've seen parasites in multiple fresh water fish, never in beef.
And I've bitten into "sashimi-quality" fresh raw fish that had gone somewhat bad. The only time that happened with beef was when I left it way too long in the fridge in a sealed plastic bag.
Beef pretty much never has parasites, but wild game can have trichinosis. I do eat raw wild game, but I recognize the risks. Saltwater fish generally don't carry parasites that humans can get.
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I guess I live in the Land of Milk Duds and Honey-Toasted O's.
Haha. That is the paradise of your grandkids.
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Eventually man is going to adapt to high fructose corn syrup and soybean oil diet.
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Eventually man is going to adapt to high fructose corn syrup and soybean oil diet.
But "adaptation" to such foods might have to involve having a much smaller brain with accompanying low IQ plus a lowered immune-system etc.
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Very true!
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One thing I keep thinking about is that the Bible calls the Promised Land "a land flowing with milk and honey." It appears that raw natural honey and raw grass-fed dairy should be something good.
Jesus also said "eat bread, it's my flesh", so gluten must be Paleo too? :P Just kiding
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Jesus also said "eat bread, it's my flesh", so gluten must be Paleo too? :P Just kiding
Yeah, however the part where he said, "Just kidding," was left out of the canon.
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that's my point, we don't die, and we do adapt very readily from foods our ancestors have never eaten for thousands of years.
Yeah, I was just trying to be funny. Unfortunately some Paleoists do take things too literally and avoid some foods just because they weren't specifically consumed by their ancestors (yet eat others that they aren't aware weren't consumed by their ancestors). Due to the influence of Cordain and Audette, I leaned a bit too heavily in that direction myself early on, until I later learned more and thought it through.
Beef pretty much never has parasites, but wild game can have trichinosis. I do eat raw wild game, but I recognize the risks. Saltwater fish generally don't carry parasites that humans can get.
Yeah, I'm not concerned about it, and I've seen reports that even most of the parasites in freshwater fish just go right through humans and provoke little or no symptoms. I just find it strange that many Westerners are so afraid to eat beef raw.
FWIW, some reports do claim that a parasitic infection can be also acquired from saltwater fish, and it's a major reason why saltwater sashimi fish is required to be frozen, though cases are rare and I'm not concerned about it (http://seafoodhealthfacts.org/seafood_safety/patients/parasites.php, (http://seafoodhealthfacts.org/seafood_safety/patients/parasites.php,) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3868394/#eot008-B117 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3868394/#eot008-B117))
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Westerners should be afraid to eat raw beef IMO. Considering how poor quality most of it is. You have to look hard to find a good source.
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Westerners should be afraid to eat raw beef IMO. Considering how poor quality most of it is. You have to look hard to find a good source.
False. Grassfed beef isn't that hard to find, and meat-handling practices in the US are generally very safe. That doesn't mean it's smart to eat conventional beef regularly, but the problems from it are not related to food poisoning or parasites.
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land animal meat = flesh food
fish meat = flesh food
same thing.
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False. Grassfed beef isn't that hard to find, and meat-handling practices in the US are generally very safe. That doesn't mean it's smart to eat conventional beef regularly, but the problems from it are not related to food poisoning or parasites.
You're 100% correct.
However many Americans don't even know grass fed beef exists. Majority of the people shop at walmart/Kroger/shop rite ect... I believe fear of eatin meat sourced from these places is reasonable.
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You're 100% correct.
However many Americans don't even know grass fed beef exists. Majority of the people shop at walmart/Kroger/shop rite ect... I believe fear of eatin meat sourced from these places is reasonable.
Because of the poor quality of the meat, not because of parasites or food poisoning.
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Because of the poor quality of the meat, not because of parasites or food poisoning.
I'm not knowledgable in that area. I'll take your word for it!
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I'm not knowledgable in that area. I'll take your word for it!
I encourage you to research it on your own, if you are curious. I can offer multiple lines of evidence for this assertion.
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Plenty of primal dieters start with no meat. Some like you don't feel comfortable about the idea of raw meat, but want the benefits. It's better to start with raw eggs anyway, that can help get the digestive tract ready, if it's not already.
Eating fish (it's always saltwater) on the primal diet without other landmeat is alright, as long as you're eating all the rest of the diet. Did you see the suggested menus in RFLWD? Like one of the others above wrote, after a while you feel comfortable with the idea of land meat, and you'll start eating it.
Don't make your whole diet fish. Even the inuit don't do that.
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/oct/inuit-paradox (http://discovermagazine.com/2004/oct/inuit-paradox)