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General Discussion / Re: Chukotka people of Russia
« on: January 01, 2010, 08:16:01 am »
What i took from this is that basicly, if you think you can do a little bit of 'bad stuff' because you're doing 'good stuff' to kind of, cancel it out, ya'know... well it just doesn't work like that im sorry.. haha

not really sure what you mean... I just found this to be an interesting look at another culture consuming raw animal foods. maybe not fully today, but historically... similar to other groups of people living in the North.

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General Discussion / Re: Chukotka people of Russia
« on: January 01, 2010, 05:13:29 am »
2 more videos of the show focusing on the hunting aspect. the first shows Walrus hunting, the second Whale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yt0t7iopCs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULc601wSBcY

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General Discussion / Chukotka people of Russia
« on: January 01, 2010, 04:59:10 am »
I found this episode of a show called Medicine Men Go Wild under the Documentary section of Rogers on Demand (digital cable).

Healthiest hearts http://www.medicinechest.info/episodes/3

two brothers (both doctors) visited a town of 400 in Chukotka, most northern east part of Russia.

another one of the heart disease "mysteries" of people living on high fat animal food diets which they wanted to study. however they mentioned that there is processed food available there today. same as anywhere.

they tested the men to find that they all had great blood lipid values.

one of the men did not have blood as great as the others. he stated his diet contained as much animal fat as the others. they wanted to understand what created this difference. in one shot I noticed that his facial structure did not appear as well developed as the rest of the men. he also had either decayed or poorly developed teeth, and he appeared to have some cystic acne on his jaw as well as scarring.

later in the show they are having lunch at his house. they find out that his favourite food is a brand of american beef hot dogs. they come in a tin can, loaded with carbs and preservatives. he says it is easier and faster to prepare than walrus so he often chooses hot dogs. his wife also loves to bake sweets/breads and spoils him with them. it is now clear to the doctors why his blood values are not so good.

the traditional diet consists of walrus, whale, fish and reindeer.

they ferment a bit of walrus fat/meat in a cool dark room for 4 months time, and consume it raw. much of the diet is consumed raw and frozen. they have to hunt for food over the summer and I guess store it frozen over winter, as the ocean freezes over.

however some of the diet appears to be cooked. they boiled all the organs of the walrus to eat when it was freshly killed.

they determined that these people can burn 4000 calories per day. I think it was from the arm band monitor they had on one of the hunters. but in general these people have active lifestyles.

they collect some type of berries. I couldn't make out the name, sounded like crayberries? in any case, they are a dark purple/black colour, and look plump and round like blueberries. traditionally they are used to relieve stomach problems.

the brothers themselves wanted to test diet on their lipid values. one took on the traditional diet of meats and fats, mostly raw, and the other took on all the processed food he could find there. of course at the end of a week or it may have been 10 days, the one eating the traditional diet had improved lipids, and the one consuming processed junk had poorer lipid values. they were surprised at how quickly diet had an effect.

the two brothers, once rowed for Oxford, they tried rowing a boat in the water. a female there was physically able to out perform them at something they had both specialized in at one time.

the men there, while fishing, had their hands in the icy cold water. they still kept warm to the touch of someone else. meanwhile the brothers had cold hands not even in the water.

they killed a whale, and the doctors were inspecting the organs as it was being butchered. the whale had completely smooth heart valves. very healthy. meanwhile its skin was full of parasites, lice, barnacles, etc.

here's about 10 mins of the beginning of the show,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q56UlEqINZA

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If Aajonus does not wish to reveal the name of the Filipino tribe it would be better not to mention the tribe at all, in my opinion, because there's no way to verify it if it's secret, unless someone else knows about it. GS, have you heard of it? Plus, if they truly wish to remain secret, it's better for Aajonus not to make any mention of them or their country so they can stay secret.

I can't speak for others, but I meant "Why does he refrigerate ANY high meats?" If "fresh" (chilled) high meat is better than non-"fresh"/room temperature high meat, why is that?
Yeah, I thought it might have been a multi-stage story like that, which would explain the differences.

Aajonus mentioned that there were many, many islands in the area. so who knows just how many different tribes are living in those islands, and maybe elsewhere in the world. from my understanding, the government doesn't want any outsiders reaching any of them. he said that he told the government he only wanted to study them, he wasn't going to try and change them, and still he was denied. I think he said something about how they would probably kill you if you went without permission, which is why he didn't just go off on his own. and he may have mentioned a name, I don't remember. still, I would have no idea of where to even begin looking. what path to take through a 3 day jungle excursion. and simply just making my way to asia. I don't think his story of it is in the least compromising to the tribe. truth or not, we may never know, but it doesn't seem unlikely to me.


again on high meat, not an answer from him but it just seems like convenience. one could experiment with both. warmer temperatures just lead to faster breakdown. high meat might be the "best" if it were made outdoors, buried in the earth. added soil organisms, live bugs, etc.

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Human age of maturity is 32 - that's when the final growth of a hard layer is put on the ends of bones. So ~224 is possible, and see the story of Old Tom Parr.
21 is just traditional legal maturity.
"Food" supply is not steady - I was lucky to find a source of what I presently think is food, and still haven't found a source of pure fat, which is the important part of it.
"Food" found in foodstores guarantees malnutrition/deficiencies/toxins, unlikely to pass 90 years of age on that stuff unless you smoke good cigars and have good taste in booze.

They were coyotes. No wolves in the desert east of California.

224 then, even better! ha

Yes, the food in the grocery stores isn't worth consuming. it can be very difficult to source quality food, but it is available. people do live to be 90, 100 or older even, consuming the garbage that is generally available today. still I bet if they were asked, there would be a story to tell of a childhood raised on traditional foods. I can't imagine that today's young generation will make it all that far consuming what is considered to be "food".

anyway the point I was trying to make... it seems, to me anyways, that if there were to be a point in history where living beyond 100 became the norm, the way to go about it consciously feels like it's here today. what I meant about food supply was... I guess thinking of hunter gatherer ancestors, what their average life expectancy was. even though they consumed something of a "perfect diet", it could be argued that they didn't live very long. but I think due to the factors like hunting, stresses of it and food supply. we may have to search high and low and call different people for our foods, but acquiring foods today seems like a much easier and more secure process. not even that far back, my own grandparents went through war and famine. maybe I'm wrong but for some reason I don't see that in my future. the highest quality may sometimes not be available, but generally something always is. we have the choice today of what we do or do not consume. my grandparents may have had better food than what I even try and source now - but I don't think they thought of food in the way I do today. they didn't really get any choice in food supply - it was eat to live, survival.

my bad on the wolves. coyotes. I was thinking without thinking.

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as far as the primitive tribe in asia goes (was just one, of many protected ones of the many islands in the area. they don't want people visiting these tribes and "tainting" them, so to speak)-

he was denied access by the government to visit any native tribes. they went as far as to blacklist his name so that he could not rent any cars from car rental agencies. he has to rent cars from locals.

I forget who-what-why, but there was a local woman, with dark skin, her boyfriend/husband so dark almost black, yet their baby was near white. AV asked her what she was feeding the child. she told him about "the greatest thing", powdered milk mixed with water. he suggested fresh milk, the baby gained its colour and health, and the father of the girl was so thankful. he asked aajonus how he could repay him, and aajonus still wanted access to these tribes. I think the guy worked with the government somehow, but even he couldn't get permission. he told aajonus he would take him, himself, to his tribe which he left 20 years before. something like 3 days in itself to travel to, through jungle and water.

again exact details a bit blurry in my mind, but I think he still wasn't allowed completely in and they sent people out to speak to him, with the help of someone translating. they told him they sent out the middle aged peoples. middle age was 80 years old in this tribe.

he explained their diets. it was 2lbs of raw fish daily. and one hard meat coconut, the males ate a whole one and the females just half. and once or twice a week, 1 piece of fruit, a banana or a mango. the fish was more bone than meat, and they chewed on the bones.

Aajonus said that he never thought he would see anyone as big and strong as these peoples, eating just fish and coconut, because he gets very skinny eating only fish, and he can't get fat eating coconuts either. I can attest to the same thing generally happening to my body in the past.

is that really some kind of unbelievable story?

as for the 147 year comment, he stated at the lecture before that all other animals live 7 times the age of their maturity. we reach maturity at 21, therefor we should be able to live to 147. I think the potential is there, especially today with all of the knowledge available, and things such as food supply being quite steady, with less risks of deficiencies and starvation. an individual can create a lot of mental stress for themselves, but in general our lives are so much more convenient and easier than the lives of our ancestors. there's less physical stress and hard times. with real food and the will to live, why couldn't people stay alive well into the 100s?


I think all of the wonkyness that surrounds Aajonus and his claims, comes from the lack of a complete explanation or understanding. like a game of broken telephone, then the stories do sound outrageous. I wonder if anyone who is anti AV or anti Primal diet has ever had a mini or full consult, or even just gone to one of his lectures. it seems more like a case of people picking apart what they hear online.


on the high meats - if they are made outside the fridge then the breakdown happens twice as fast as when refrigerated. I would assume he refrigerates for the same reason we all refrigerate anything, to keep our food "fresh" (as fresh as high meat can be, that is). for preservation and convenience.

how can we assume he refrigerates all of his high meat anyway? because of one ripley's believe it or not video from how many years back?

and on his introduction to raw meats-

he traveled up and down the west coast to many tribes. from mexico up to alaska. they all told him to eat raw meat, but he thought that they just wanted to make the white man sick. he also told the story about the wolves bringing him the dead rabbit, I think it happened after he had left alaska. he was trying to fast to death. after he ate the rabbit and felt better, he realized that all the tribes people were telling the truth.

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