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Health / Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« on: June 18, 2014, 05:49:34 am »
If I had to bet, I would lay money on his gut bacteria being seriously disordered. Good luck trying to get a physician to prescribe a test, though. Some day bacterial testing and probiotic therapies will probably be common. We're not there yet.

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Health / Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« on: June 17, 2014, 10:26:05 am »
It's interesting how similar his symptoms are to what Ray Peat tends to discuss:

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Dr. Ray Peat: Thyroid supplements can be useful for prostate hypertrophy and some cases of impotence and infertility. Occasionally, a man who can't put on a normal amount of weight finds that a thyroid supplement allows normal weight gain. Leg cramps, insomnia and depression are often the result of hypothyroidism. Heart failure, gynecomastia, liver disease, baldness and dozens of other problems can result from hypothyroidism.
http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/ray-peat.htm

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Cold hands and feet is a great indicator of thyroid function. If they’re colder than most people’s, it means the adrenals are holding the temperature up for the brain and heart by restricting circulation.
http://oneradionetwork.com/health-articles/show-summary-in-detail-for-dr-ray-peats-interview-on-january-1-2014/

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inflammation-related proteins, including CRP, are increased by the hypothyroid hyperhydration. The heart muscle itself can swell, leading to congestive heart failure. ...

Aldosterone secretion increases during the night, and its rise is greater in depressed and stressed people. It inhibits energy metabolism, increases insulin resistance, and increases the formation of proinflammatory substances in fat cells (Kraus, et al., 2005). During aging, salt restriction can produce an exaggerated nocturnal rise in aldosterone.

During the night, there are many changes that suggest that the thyroid functions are being blocked, for example a surge in the thyroid stimulating hormone, with T4 and T3 being lowest between 11 PM and 3 AM (Lucke, et al., 1977), while temperature and energy production are at their lowest. This suggests that the problems of hypothyroidism will be most noticeable during the night.
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/water.shtml

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Health / Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« on: June 17, 2014, 09:22:19 am »
I've never heard of a CO2 deficiency. What would cause this?
Countless things. Ray Peat writes about it a lot. Do you know his blood oxygen saturation % (99-100% is ideal)? It may seem paradoxical, but using CO2 can reportedly improve blood oxygen saturation and apnea. Ray Peat has lots of tips on CO2.

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Ray Peat wrote:
the medical analysis is that people don’t breathe enough at night, but when you look at the blood chemistry the usual thing is that they hyperventilate during the night, because as their blood sugar is pushed down to sleep, their adrenaline comes up periodically and this makes them have in effect higher estrogen, higher inflammatory hormones which drives hyperventilation and blows off too much Carbon Dioxide. Then they don’t breathe for a while so they wake up feeling like they have died or have not been breathing enough . The best chemical for this is Diamox (Acetazolamide ) that causes the body to retain more carbon dioxide, it prevents the body from losing too much carbon dioxide which keeps it in the blood.

It’s well established as a cure for sleep Apnea, also used by skiers to prevent altitude sickness, because altitude sickness is a lack of CO2 not oxygen.

http://www.raypeatforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3351#p39598
See also:
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/co2.shtml
http://oneradionetwork.com/health-articles/show-summary-in-detail-for-dr-ray-peats-interview-on-january-1-2014

Folks have been talking a lot about what the ancestral environment/food was like. CO2 (and things that help generate and use it) was apparently one of the key features of ancestral environments and foods, from the very first living organisms (such as around volcanic vents) all the way to Stone Age humans and every living organism in between.

"seek, and ye shall find"

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Health / Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« on: June 17, 2014, 08:21:47 am »
What would you roughly estimate are the macronutrient proportions of his diet (% or grams or calories)? How much prebiotics does he eat?

Snoring and apnea have been linked to CO2 deficiency:

Acta Neurobiol Exp (Wars). 2007;67(2):197-206. Role of hypercapnia in brain oxygenation in sleep-disordered breathing. Brzecka A.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17691228
"Adaptive mechanisms may diminish the detrimental effects of recurrent nocturnal hypoxia in obstructive sleep apnea (OSA). The potential role of elevated carbon dioxide (CO2) in improving brain oxygenation in the patients with severe OSA syndrome is discussed. CO2 increases oxygen uptake by its influence on the regulation of alveolar ventilation and ventilation-perfusion matching, facilitates oxygen delivery to the tissues by changing the affinity of oxygen to hemoglobin, and increases cerebral blood flow by effects on arterial blood pressure and on cerebral vessels. Recent clinical studies show improved brain oxygenation when hypoxia is combined with hypercapnia. Anti-inflammatory and protective against organ injury properties of CO2 may also have therapeutic importance. These biological effects of hypercapnia may improve brain oxygenation under hypoxic conditions. This may be especially important in patients with severe OSA syndrome."

I have heard the guideline of no more than once every six months because nourishing is more important for healing.
Yeah, in the old days a "wash out" was usually done just once a year (typically at the start of school, for children), and maybe occasionally as needed, sometimes twice a year (such as also at the start of spring), rather than chronically.

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Health / Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« on: June 16, 2014, 07:41:04 pm »
Figuring out what the nocturnal muscle spasms are would be a help. Unfortunately, I don't know what it is. Could he be low in electrolytes?

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Health / Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« on: June 16, 2014, 11:03:09 am »
Could the twitches be this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnic_jerk

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Health / Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« on: June 16, 2014, 08:53:24 am »
I wanted to ask about sleep twitching / spasms. He does it a LOT. Never did before, but since his eczema got this bad, he would have twitches constantly through the night and sometimes full muscle spasms. It can range between every 5 seconds to every minute, then sometimes not at all. Some nights it's a lot, some nights there's hardly any. Just felt like mentioning it.[/size]
Wow, every 5 seconds is a lot of spams. Does the fact that it never happened before seem troubling at all to you? What do you think might be causing them?

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Evolution and Instinctive Nutrition
« on: June 16, 2014, 08:40:59 am »
so we had a certain diet of foods that we knew ....   but how does something like a coconut (which I loveeeeee .... benefit me if my ancestors never had access to coconuts?   )   I sound stupid saying this but its hard to explain..  Is consuming new foods that u like good for u?   Say for example I was an ancient ancestor of humans eating a chimp like diet... then i discovered new foods!  how does this benefit me and does my body have to adapt to this?   how have we evolved away from eating termites, figs and ligs?
Maybe coconuts are similar to some of the foods of the past? For example, fig palms and coconut palms are both palm fruits (technically, one is a multiple fruit with drupelets and the other is a drupe), so maybe there are some similarities (along with differences--coconuts have more fat and less carbs than figs), and maybe some of them haven't even been figured out yet? If you want to know then why not look for what the various apemen ancestors (pre-agrarian Homo sapiens sapiens, archaic Homo sapiens, Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, Homo erectus, H. ergaster, H. habilis, ...) ate (and we modern H. sapiens sapiens are apemen too, of course). You could also look for what the healthiest peoples in the world today eat (the blue zone survey provides some info on this). Recently, I found the evidence on Neanderthal fig consumption and Tyler found the evidence on Neanderthal wild grain consumption; maybe you'll find more? Have you searched at all yet? If so, what have you found so far?

Figs are one of the clearest foods of all, as H. sapiens sapiens, Neanderthals and wild chimps all ate them.

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Journals / Re: DaBoss88's healing schizophrenia journal
« on: June 15, 2014, 08:32:21 am »
two thumbs up!

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Health / Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« on: June 15, 2014, 08:31:32 am »
Diverticiulitis and leaky gut are also linked to the GI microbiome. While I don't wish to prescribe and it's early yet and the science is not well-threshed-out, accumulating evidence appears to suggest that the notion of "cleansing" is actually counterproductive in the longer run--that what most people really need is more good bacteria in their guts, rather than less stuff, and that the notion of a clean and sterile gut being healthy is misguided:

The Microbiome and Diverticulitis: A New Target for Medical Therapy?

There are some reported risks with excessive cleansing:
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Colon Cleansing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colon_cleansing#Effectiveness_and_risks

Are Enemas Good for Your Health? - Dr. Ben Kim .com
drbenkim.com/articles-enema.htm
I hear you on the maids. Maybe we can come up with a better halo halo for your son that doesn't contain certain of the reported common ingredients like evaporated milk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo-halo). How is this for a start:

shaved ice
cultured/fermented milk
white beans, mung beans, and/or garbanzos (boiled and cooled overnight)
home-made bone broth gelatin
fruits: sugar palm fruit (kaong), coconut cream, dried somewhat-ripened plantains, jackfruit (langkâ), gulaman, tapioca, nata de coco, sweet potato (kamote), cheese, pounded crushed young rice (pinipig)

It at least seems to be healthier than the reported ingredients. Perhaps you could improve on that, if you wish.

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Health / Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« on: June 15, 2014, 02:41:26 am »
I see. Eczema has been linked to GI bacteria deficiencies/imbalances, so I wonder if too much "cleansing" might be counterproductive in the longer run, flushing out beneficial bacteria?

Halo halo sweets look like exactly the sort of thing that would trigger skin issue flareups for me. Canned evaporated milk is heated much higher than ordinary pasteurized milk.

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Health / Re: Eczema - A Journey To Healing
« on: June 14, 2014, 08:31:50 pm »
... He also had 3 oil enemas.  1 with vco, 2 with evoo.  Later he should have a 4th oil enema. He has a history of diverticulitis. ...
GS, Four enemas in a single day? Why so many enemas? How many enemas do you give him in  a year, roughly? Is this the same boy who has had eczema for years?

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"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons."

  - Dr. Jack Kruse, January 2013, http://www.jackkruse.com/the-epcotx-rx


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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Evolution and Instinctive Nutrition
« on: June 14, 2014, 02:26:32 am »
Interestingly enough, it turns out  that even Neanderthals ate dates, which are a tropical palm fruit (coconut is another well-known palm fruit, and palm hearts/ubod are another palm food):

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The Real Caveman Diet: Did people eat fruits and vegetables in prehistoric times?
By Brian Palmer

 
"paleoanthropologists found bits of date stuck in the teeth of a 40,000-year-old Neanderthal"

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General Discussion / Re: raw butter vs raw double cream
« on: June 13, 2014, 07:23:45 pm »
If you read bodybuilding books and forums, you'll find the whey fraction of milk touted as the best for bodybuilding, and lots of bodybuilding powders containing whey. How true it is, I don't know. There are also people here who say that no dairy is good for anyone, and others say that only raw dairy is good. In the end it comes down to whatever works for you.

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General Discussion / Re: Humans Natural/Optimal Habitat
« on: June 13, 2014, 08:58:00 am »
The claim that Neanderthals almost wholly ate meat has been debunked by recent scientific findings that showed that they actually ate a lot of plant foods as well. Palaeoarchaeology, is, after all, in its infancy still. ...
Indeed, and the list of plant foods that Neanderthals reportedly ate keeps growing:
 
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The Real Caveman Diet: Did people eat fruits and vegetables in prehistoric times?
 
"paleoanthropologists found bits of date stuck in the teeth of a 40,000-year-old Neanderthal"
 
"Ancient man also ate plants that you can’t find at a grocery store, like ferns and cattails."

Here is that study:-

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080428-neanderthals-diet.html
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Thanks for the link to that interesting article about the study that produced quite different findings from the early evidence on Neanderthal diets. In it is this about the foods that Neanderthals ate:
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"We know that this individual ate a variety of plants, including grass seeds, more commonly called grains" [such as wild barley] http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080428-neanderthals-diet_2.html

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General Discussion / Re: raw butter vs raw double cream
« on: June 13, 2014, 06:28:47 am »
So basically, cream = butter + buttermilk.

P.S. Buttermilk sold as "cultured buttermilk" has not been through the churning process. It's made by adding bacteria to milk, sort of like yogurt or kefir.
That's the modern way of making "cultured buttermilk." There are a couple of Vermont farms that sell traditional cultured buttermilk locally. They churn butter and make cultured buttermilk from the liquid that's left after the churned butter is removed. Some Irish folk call it bonny clabber (bainne clábair).

Whey water was another traditional Irish dairy beverage, according to A. T. LUCAS in Irish Food before the Potato.

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Journals / Re: PaleoPhil's Journal
« on: June 09, 2014, 10:13:10 am »
The plantains come out to about $.60/lb. They are not organic.

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Price check on Meat
« on: June 09, 2014, 08:19:28 am »
I found this--another one of our own predicted future rising meat prices and deserves some credit for that. Can you guess who?
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"Once all developing/undeveloped countries all want meat, most of us are going to be in trouble, facing vast rises in food-prices."


More news reports supporting what Sabertooth posted (that meat prices are rising in the USA):
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Beef, pork prices continue to climb
By Susan Hogan
Published: June 4, 2014, 5:29 pmUpdated: June 4, 2014, 5:56 pm
http://wpri.com/2014/06/04/beef-pork-prices-continue-to-climb/

(WPRI) – The price of meat has been rising for the past few months and is expected to go even higher.

The drought in several states has led farmers to raise fewer animals, and that coupled with a higher worldwide demand for meat, is pushing up prices.
Interestingly, this one says the price rise is not at all due to the Western USA droughts:
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Meat Prices Are Skyrocketing: Why?
And the drought is not to blame.
TANYA BASUMAY 30 2014, 3:45 PM ET
Reuters
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/meat-prices-are-skyrocketing/371383/#comments

The drought will likely raise meat prices down the road, but that hasn't happened yet: Feed and meat prices are set far in advance in the futures market. Last year was a good year weather-wise, so this year's prices remain unaffected. As for the E. coli scare: You'd think that the meat industry would be hard-pressed to sell beef to shoppers, bringing prices down. But consumers seem to be shrugging it off, and demand hasn't fallen.

So what is causing the spike in meat prices? The answer is consumers.

“Consumers are feeling better about themselves and their income situation and willing to pay up for good meat,” says Bob Young, chief economist at the American Farm Bureau Federation. But, he says, there aren’t enough fancy cuts of meat to satisfy all the people who want them, which means grocery stores can hike up prices.

“I think that given the stronger demand, folks are going to find not quite the cut they want for the price they want,” Young said. “They might have to downmarket a bit.”


The high prices don't seem to be just a hiccup in the market, warns Young: Meat consumers should expect this price jump to be the norm for potentially three years.

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Journals / Re: PaleoPhil's Journal
« on: June 08, 2014, 06:43:50 am »
Random unrelated journal jotting:

A neat little discussion aid that someone posted in another forum (higher up the pyramid is better):

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the greatest benefit of disagreeing well is not just that it will make conversations better, but that it will make the people who have them happier. If you study conversations, you find there is a lot more meanness down in DH1 than up in DH6. You don't have to be mean when you have a real point to make. In fact, you don't want to. If you have something real to say, being mean just gets in the way.

If moving up the disagreement hierarchy makes people less mean, that will make most of them happier. Most people don't really enjoy being mean; they do it because they can't help it. - Paul Graham

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Journals / Re: PaleoPhil's Journal
« on: June 08, 2014, 05:09:15 am »
My bad in mis-remembering the banana price unit--the store is recently opened and I've only been a few times so far and they were out of bananas the last time--thanks for the correction, Eveheart. I edited my post to fix that. That's still a cheaper price than what was available to me 24 years ago, and still a reasonable price even for the organics, so I'm still thinking I may try upping the banana consumption some more, though it wouldn't be as good a deal as it looked like at first.

It's irrelevant to what I pay that Trader Joe's is a different model. I was comparing the cheapest price that was available to me in 1990 vs. now, and I also provided the Hannaford supermarket price to take care of any concern with the comparison.

I also buy plantains at Hannaford, and I think I know the per/lb price of those, but I'd better check to be sure before commenting on them.  ;D

I mentioned before, that I have spoken with once for about four hours,, he indicated that he doesn't eat 20 per cent of his calories from carbs.. I eat less than that myself.  I still think that he may have indicated that so that for people starting off it wouldn't be too difficult.
That doesn't change the fact that Rosedale recommended 20% carbs to others. So unless he's misleading people by recommending an unhealthy diet, he's perfectly fine with 20% carbs.

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I see I missed answering some other questions--I wasn't planning on buying any more CLO. That's another area I'm economizing on. The honey is not that expensive--it actually works out to be cheaper per pound (and even more so per calorie) than the top sirloin roasts that you buy, Van--and I wasn't consuming that much (it's a medicinal for me, rather than a staple food), so it is much less of a factor for me than meats. Nonetheless, I already cut back some even on the little honey I was eating, offsetting a bit the increase in carbs from plantains/Cavendish.

Given that some portion of the semi-ripe to green plantains and bananas gets converted by bacteria to short chain fatty acids, it's hard to know what my real end-result carb and fat intake is. Barry Groves wrote an article touching on this--how even diets that seem higher carb actually work out to be lower-carb and higher-fat than one might think. The effect was bigger in other primates than humans, though I suspect he underestimated the impact for humans, because less was known in science and the mass media about the topic when he wrote the article.

I don't focus so much on the grams or % of carbs consumed as whatever happens to work for me to give me good results. I do find it interesting that the carb recommendations that gurus like Rosedale and Jaminet make to others are actually closer than most people seem to realize. The macronutrient wars are much less interesting to me than the recent accumulating information about the potential risks of extreme diets, such as chronic ZC/VLC and chronic low fat raw vegan, and my improvements when I incorporated more prebiotic food sources. I even have what would probably be called "ZC" days myself, but intermittently--not on a continuous basis.

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Journals / Re: PaleoPhil's Journal
« on: June 08, 2014, 04:33:26 am »
To each his own. For me, the concerns about conventional bananas seem overblown, given the protective peel, the fact that banana fruits do not grow directly in the soil or on the ground, bananas are not one of the "dirty dozen" plant foods that are recommended be purchased as organics, and given the report I recall reading that found negligible pesticide traces in the actual flesh (I don't have it handy, sorry). None of us can eat exactly like Stone Agers, so we all make compromises. Besides, I eat mostly organic bananas currently, as I mentioned, and right now the organic ones are only $.29/[each].

Speaking of bananas...
But all foods are skyrocketing.
All foods? Presumably you consider bananas a food, given that you eat some, right? Luckily, I have some old budgets in my PC and here are a few banana prices over the years. I don't have prices for organic bananas in the past, and I don't even think there were any sold in my local area back in 1990, so these are conventional banana prices.

Conventional [Cavendish] bananas, price per lb
$0.59 - 1990, Stop & Shop [supermarket], Massachusetts
[$0.40+] - Currently, Trader Joe's [discount chain market], VT (and $0.69 at Hannaford [supermarket])

Twenty four years later, conventional bananas only cost 10 cents/lb more at Hannaford and cost even less at Trader Joe's. My guess is that Trader Joe's price right now is a temporary good deal, though they've had it for some weeks now, but even after it goes up in the future, I'll bet it will be less than $.69/lb. So while a lot of foods are going up in price, they are not all going up equally.

I feel bad for myself too, due to the meat price increases, not just ZCers, but it seems rather crass to say it that way, and they happen to be getting hit that much more. Every little bit helps. If you think some savings on around 20% of the diet is insignificant, that's up to you. Whatever floats your boat. I've actually been re-examining my food and overall budget to see if I can economize some more. I have economized on the types of "ZC" animal foods I buy too in response to the rising prices and scarcities (which gave me no other choice). I haven't been getting free hunting meats/organs/fats from my brother-in-law in a long while, so that is another impact for me that makes the current price increases more of a factor.

Given the good prices for bananas, I'm actually considering trying upping my consumption of those further. If it shocks or irritates chronic ZC/VLC defenders, that's not my problem, sorry.

If DR's banana prices are anything like this, then I can believe his claims about his 30-plus-bananas-a-day diet being rather cheap.  ;D

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General Discussion / Re: Eskimoes and omega 3
« on: June 07, 2014, 08:05:24 pm »
Cool, welcome! What is your overall diet like?

Speaking of fermented fish, I hadn't had any in a while and was reminded by your post and just sampled a bit of  the Blue Ice raw CLO. I decided a while ago that I won't be replacing this bottle (which I had been using for the vitamins A and D, rather than omega 3) with another for probably a long while after it runs out, as the price seems to high to justify the small benefits, and I have alternatives now that seem to provide as much dental benefits.

I find that there seems to be a difference between "rancid" and "fermented." If I store fermented fish or fermentation-extracted fish oil/gel too long it eventually becomes bitter, which happens more rapidly when only small amounts are left and when temperatures are higher. I'm guessing that the bitter stuff is rancid, whereas the good tasting is fermented (and with the oil, the fermented bits are presumably protein and amino acid bits and the bacteria feeding on them, rather than fats, which don't ferment), but not rancid. Presumably the difference could be due to oxidized PUFAs and/or a change in the bacterial balance from beneficial to harmful.

When I ate some of the foods he recommends, like dairy, fruit juices and fruits, I did worse.
Update on this--I suspect that my problem with fruits, which seems less now, is more to do with a defect like incomplete cellular respiration, rather than a problem inherent in fruits.

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Price check on Meat
« on: June 07, 2014, 07:42:36 am »
Inger, Van and Sabertooth, what is the current price/lb of the cheapest animal meat (flesh, from any source, including fish, any of muscle flesh, ground meat or whole carcass) you buy and what is the meat and where do you get it (I know already that Sabertooth gets it from farms)?

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Thanks, but that would be too narrow a focus. The forum is small enough as it is.

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