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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: Charlie4444 on July 12, 2012, 11:47:25 am
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eating raw meat has ruined my mind
I recently stopped eating meat after eating mostly raw meat for 7 months, and am immediately a lot more like myself. However, you get shaky after long enough time of not having meat, so I had a tiny bit of raw meat to to get rid of the shakiness, and BAM, all the symptoms came rushing back. I have NO SOCIABILITY and likeability about myself when on the raw meats, the mentality of a crazed person on the streets overcomes me.
Raw meat Pros -
-amazing improved spinal shape
-develped butt, legs, and waist
-litte more muscle tone
-extremely calm
-stable, no dizziness
-feel very masculant, extremely high sex drive
-good for skin
Raw meat Cons (especially considering by how much people reccomend to eat of it on here and from aajonus Vonderwhatever) I used to think AV was a healthy person, but now I see he's not mentally healthy, physically, yes, but mentally, he's not the the ideal person.
- dead personality
- eventual diminishing of bones
- extreme laziness
- extreme tiredness
- extremely removed from society because no one relates to you because no one is biologically anything like you
- no joy, no excitement, no plans for the future, not career orientated,
My life has become very FUCKED UP because of eating such an entirely raw food diet with a lot of raw meat, now even if I have a spec of raw beef, it triggers the deadness personality and nobody wants to be around me.
I'm just sharing my experience, people may be very low in protein and raw meats will be excellent, but doing it for so long, I feel like I have a toxic level of protein in my system. But it's funny, eating cooked chicken seems to not retrigger the symtoms, but a tad of raw meat explodes them.
It did honestly incredibly improve how my spine looks, and grew my butt muscles which were non existent before, which is amazing, but it makes my mind nasty.
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Obviously there needs to be a balance somewhere or there is some nutritional deficiency.
This 2012, year 4 for myself had my instincts tell me to eat markedly less meat than year 2 and 3.
Maybe the long term instinctos are on to something.
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Maybe you needed more fat, fruit, and plant matter?
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You have GOT to listen to your body man. I agree that AV seems to have serious emotional issues. I mean the guy has been through hell but it seems he hasn't dealt with the emotional/spiritual scars. My body doesn't need that much meat right now either. I probably eat half raw half cooked right now, but still then not very much. I eat a lot of fruits, vegetables, avocados, eggs (when they agree with me), good fats, and smaller amounts of raw fish sashimi, crock-pot chickens/veggies, and rare beef/lamb. Stop following "gurus" and "dogmas." Only your body knows what it really wants. If truckloads of raw meat make you sick, then stop eating it. One tip i do to really see where i am at body-wise is to go look up "food pyramids." I don't think its better to stick to any one pyramid but at least you can get a sense where your body FEELS. I bet you are CRAVING fruits and vegetables like a mad person. Personally for me, i'm drawn to basically zone-diet style. Lots of fruits, veggies, proteins like eggs, fish, and chicken, smaller amounts of red meat (although this is increasing on the rare side), and rounded out with raw nut butters, avocados, fats, and small amounts of starchy tubers. This is what my body wants at this time. Use your judgement. Hope this helps.
-Joe
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Good to know. Go check your blood and maybe hormones, obviously something is not right.
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>>> My life has become very FUCKED UP because of eating such an entirely raw food diet with a lot of raw meat, now even if I have a spec of raw beef, it triggers the deadness personality and nobody wants to be around me.
Adjust adjust adjust. What does raw fish, raw sea food, raw lamb, raw buffalo, fruits and vegetables do to you? Don't get stuck with beef.
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This to you goodsamaritan
you used to a plump guy, then turned pretty thin with pretty thin, lean arms. My arms were starting to get too lean and think like yours, not what I wanted, why would any guy want that?! I dont trust you're extremeism, I've tried it, and it doesnt work.
>>> My life has become very FUCKED UP because of eating such an entirely raw food diet with a lot of raw meat, now even if I have a spec of raw beef, it triggers the deadness personality and nobody wants to be around me.
Adjust adjust adjust. What does raw fish, raw sea food, raw lamb, raw buffalo, fruits and vegetables do to you? Don't get stuck with beef.
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Don't be ridiculous, with diet alone you can mainly control how fat you are.
With exercise you can control the muscle mass.
goodsamaritan does NOT exercise as far as I know.
Does this guy have thin lean arms?
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/exercisebodybuilding/pullin%27-a-556lb-deadlift-weighing-157/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/exercisebodybuilding/pullin%27-a-556lb-deadlift-weighing-157/)
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You remove yourself from society, your food doesn't. The problem is your own lack of confidence, not the food you eat. No one relates to you because that's how YOU see it. No plans? No joy? That's in your own control.
Having thin, lean arms has nothing do with eating raw meat. What a ridiculous post! Now you're just coming off as a troll...
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You may look into nutritional deficiencies too. Meat just doesn't seem to have all of the nutrients we need. I know i would feel terrible on all meat diet. But just give instinctual eating a few weeks, i promise you will feel better. Get a bag of apples, some frozen berries, some veggies from farmers market, and some salmon and eggs. Maybe an avocado. You will spark up easy. Also make sure you get enough salt if you are craving it.
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This to you goodsamaritan
you used to a plump guy, then turned pretty thin with pretty thin, lean arms. My arms were starting to get too lean and think like yours, not what I wanted, why would any guy want that?! I dont trust you're extremeism, I've tried it, and it doesnt work.
Me, extremist? Hey, I just got to raw paleo diet because it works. Got in via wai diet... then found out it was part of the raw paleo diet sphere. And it works so far... and I've cured people on temporary raw paleo diet... My kids these days are on: cooked paleo diet, cooked paleo diet plus rice and cooked paleo diet plus rice. My wife is on cooked paleo diet plus rice. They get to eat sashimi every now and then.
There are far better models than me in this forum, get someone with a more similar genetic make up and part of the world you can exchange resources with.
I don't know what you are talking about me being pretty thin with lean arms.
After I got rid of my tape worms in 2011 I bounced up immediately more than 10 pounds to 15 pounds from 123 to 135+ lbs. I'm just 5' 5" short.
Yep, I'm lazy about going to the gym. Maybe this month me and my kids will be doing badminton lessons. Now that is fun.
I don't know what your standards for arms are but without gym stuff I gained muscle in my arms so it now has a shape. And I've still got my blubber fat.
So I took a picture just right now just for you.
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I dont trust you're extremeism, I've tried it, and it doesnt work.
If what you are doing lately does not work for you.
You are free to change it to something that does work for you.
If there are anger issues, you may have a constipated gall bladder.
A couple of hulda clark liver flushes will get rid of that.
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I wrote this post to see if anyone had similar experiences.
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I wrote this post to see if anyone had similar experiences.
You titled your post "Warning..." and did not elaborate on what you have been eating, other than vaguely mentioning raw meat. My initial impression was that you had possibly been eating only raw lean muscle meats, which is not healthy. You went on later in the thread to criticize others. I get it that you think your mind and personality have been ruined, but that is no way to ask for what you say you want.
If you really want to see if anyone had similar experiences, why not tell us what you were eating. My thinking here is that most people here have not had their mind and personality ruined (judging from our posts), and several hundred thousand years of our ancestors probably didn't have overly difficult mind/personality issues from their diet, either.
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I wrote this post to see if anyone had similar experiences.
Charlie, it sounds like you might just be getting too much protein, and not enough fat. Check the percentage of total calories in your daily diet from each macronutrient, i.e., fat, protein, carb. Your protein should always be between 20% and 30% of total calories. Fat and carb can vary safely, but protein needs to be in that range.
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Charlie, I think you have to look in the mirror and stop blaming your issues/problems in your life on other things (including your diet). Did you think this "Diet" was going to fix you? You have deeper issues, than the food that you put in your body. I'm not here to judge you. If you expected beef liver/heart, or wild salmon to enlighten you. I feel sorry for you! There's other things as Human Beings, that we have to work on besides diets. Just listen to your body, and make the necessary changes.
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Sounds like troll....
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@ GS,
are those mosquito bites on your arm?
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Hi Charlie,
From your other earlier posts it sounds like you came to this diet with some emotional/psychological problems that you were hoping to get help with - raw paleo didn't create them. Tyler told you that he was able to help himself with similar problems as yours as others also told you that they got some relief, but also added other things and are still in process, but getting better.
Please, if you are in earnest, write for us what you have been eating and those with more experience and who have had success maybe can help you modify what you are doing. You weren't doing well before coming to raw paleo and it really is the best diet for your issues. It might not be a cure-all, but there isn't a better diet to use as your foundation. If you are getting worse that might have to do with something you have not been doing that is generally experienced as right or right for you, or it might be a coincidence, but causation is a big leap to make.
Let us help you. Give us details please.
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Hi Charlie, although he stated it more abrasively than I would have, I think Chris has a point in that you need to take a little more responsibility for your condition and not just blame it on your diet. I suspect that a lot about your lifestyle needs to change before you start seeing meaningful improvements in your symptoms, and if you aren't willing to start making those broader changes you shouldn't be surprised if your symptoms persist.
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@ GS,
are those mosquito bites on your arm?
They were something else... not mosquitos because the welts grew to enormous sizes and only the application of petroleum nut oil stopped it.
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Chris and Eric - although I fully understand that you want to be of assistance - when someone is so depressed and has deep underlying hormonal and or neurological issues based on biochemistry it is sometimes considered by them to be even more depressing to be told to just do something about it or stop what they are doing when they have no control over what they can and can't do.
What I personally believe might have some actual benefit for this obviously suffering person is simply to ask him to give us more information. We'll be lucky if we get that. He's willing and able to change his diet so let's just see if we can do something to help him in that regard if he will let us.
Diet alone can sometimes make enough of an impact to then allow a person to change other patterns and behaviors and we are a diet forum. Let's hope we can hit it what might help him in his diet. That is what he has asked for in the past so maybe he is open to that.
I think we can all see that someone here needs our help. He seems to be only narrowly open to suggestions so let's keep our fingers crossed he is still open to getting our help with his diet.
What do you say Charlie? Are you still open to suggestions with your diet? Please give us details of what you were and are eating.
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Damn, GS, maybe I don't want to live in the tropics after all!
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I'm sorry if I sounded so abrasive. I understand a lack of nutrients, and food choices, can make a difference in our physical and emotional well being. I have my ups and downs just like everybody else in this world. Believe me, I'm not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. Dorothy, you are a true nurturer, and I see that you want/and are trying to reach out to him. I commend you for that! I too wish that he would tell us more about his diet, and try to figure what went wrong, or what he is doing wrong. I wasn't trying to be mean or judgmental, but I personally believe this is more than just about diet alone. I commend you Charlie for reaching out, and I hope you take advantage of all the people who care about your well being in this forum. In order for us to help you, you need to help yourself, and reach out to us.
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Since you all want to know more about my diet, here it is
Recently gone back to eating lots of raw fruit and vegetables, some SAD food, rice, and potatos, a little beer and wine, eat cooked meat, BUT am holding off 100% on raw meat because even having a tiny bit right now kills my brain function, I just stop caring about anything, and the world doesnt relate to this. While raw meat is an excellent pain killer, and just makes you not care about anything, that is both good and bad.
My problem abruptly and suddently happened about 4 years ago and has lasted ever since. Basically, I was going along without any malignant problems, untill one day, Actually after I was given some Ritalin from a friend at college, I just woke up a different person. I socially couldn't be myself, I couldn't work hard on anything, I had no quality to myself, I slept all the time, I was acting weird, and watching myself do it from the inside with no control to stop it, just to watch it happen while I was literally possessed by another person. It never went away, even after stopping all drugs, partying, alcohol, school, social life, eating "healthy", seeing doctors, etc. However, one day I tried gluten free, and felt how food could change my mind, which lead to grain free, which lead to paleo, which eventually lead to raw paleo. My positive results were that the diet changes eliminated a lot of the pain and allowed me to do basic things again. However, I still haven't regained the spark, that personality that used to be me, and without that, I can't regain my friends, or social life, or have a serious career or profession, or really a good life. Diet as allowed me to not be in incredible pain, but I haven't gotten my spark back.
READ THIS, for all those "wise" people who want to diagnose me and tell me what's wrong, I GARENTEE you are telling me nothing I don't already know. ONLY GIVE ME TREATMENT STRATEGIES, NEW FOODS TO TRY, MEDICINES, PORTION CONTROL, BREAKTHROUGHS THAT REALLY WORKED FOR YOU, AN ONLINE SUPPORT GROUP THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO MEET, STUFF LIKE THIS. DON'T TELL ME TO CHANGE MY MIND, OR OVERCOME SOMETHING, OR WHATEVER YOU BRAINWASHED YOURSELF WITH TO IMAGINE YOU GOT BETTER.
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That's the thing Charlie, we haven't brainwashed ourselves, the difference in quality of life now from the way I used to be is so incredibly stark. No fantasy here, just results! Keep experimenting, you'll get it!
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Dear Charlie, I understand u. It's like u r in super concious mind and all ur six senses working with u for all these judgement. You r already smart enough to start with diet to correct ur ill mind. You definitely are not crazy or schizophrenic. I know what that is. My brother is suffering from schizophenia. He doesn't have understanding any good or bad. He doesn't know his own good.
What do u mean by 100% raw meat diet? 100% raw meat is dangerous. U can look for 80% probiotics therapy containing VSL#3, high meat, water kefir , kombucha, rotten fish and all raw fats , acidophilus...etc. 20% of raw meat and fruits and veggie. Rice/potatoes can make ur mood swing severely. You can put yourself into bed therapy which has no side effects and nothing to do with diet. My brother has no understanding of diet.
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Thank you very much for detailing for us your history and reaction to any raw meat right now. How sad that it started with a medication. Grrr. It affected your biochemistry and you haven't been able to get back from it yet - but eventually you will figure out something that will work for you.
It is interesting that you don't have the same reaction to cooked meat as your do to raw meat. I have no why this would be. Does anyone here? My guess is that cooking deactivates something in the meat that has an affect on your chemistry of your brain/cns or hormones. It might be something that is usually good generally but for you after the Ritalin it is not. Others will be able to guess what that might be better than me - but it does give an important clue. Is anyone here versed in the biochemistry of Ritalin and how it works?
By meat I'm assuming that you mean muscle meat. How do you feel when you eat raw animal fat?
Do you eat bone marrow or suet?
Do you get the same results when eating say fatty fish raw?
Do you eat other seafood and get the same reaction?
Do you get that reaction when you eat raw eggs?
How about organs?
Have you tried raw milk, cream, butter? Does that affect you similarly?
Basically - does anything besides muscle meat have the same effect?
The fact that you got rid of the pain means that you have been able to affect your condition and that's very good news. The fact that you can think about it and have figured out something that makes you feel worse is actually a very good thing because it gives you clues.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to detox Ritalin from the body - especially how to get past that blood/brain barrier?
Again, thanks for the information and I think we need yet more information regarding how other raw animal foods affect you. Eventually we'll figure it out.
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Maybe you should check out something like Steven Covey's "7 Habits of Highly Effective People". I personally took a lot from it and thought that there was a lot of really good intellectual life strategies in it.
Getting your brain working well with a raw diet (I found my perspective changed a lot when my brain started to see clearer on a raw diet) is only part of it. If you don't have healthy paradigms to go with your healthy mind, then you're not going to get all that you could out of it.
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Thank you very much for detailing for us your history and reaction to any raw meat right now. How sad that it started with a medication. Grrr. It affected your biochemistry and you haven't been able to get back from it yet - but eventually you will figure out something that will work for you.
It is interesting that you don't have the same reaction to cooked meat as your do to raw meat. I have no why this would be. Does anyone here? My guess is that cooking deactivates something in the meat that has an affect on your chemistry of your brain/cns or hormones. It might be something that is usually good generally but for you after the Ritalin it is not. Others will be able to guess what that might be better than me - but it does give an important clue. Is anyone here versed in the biochemistry of Ritalin and how it works?
By meat I'm assuming that you mean muscle meat. How do you feel when you eat raw animal fat?
Do you eat bone marrow or suet?
Do you get the same results when eating say fatty fish raw?
Do you eat other seafood and get the same reaction?
Do you get that reaction when you eat raw eggs?
How about organs?
Have you tried raw milk, cream, butter? Does that affect you similarly?
Basically - does anything besides muscle meat have the same effect?
The fact that you got rid of the pain means that you have been able to affect your condition and that's very good news. The fact that you can think about it and have figured out something that makes you feel worse is actually a very good thing because it gives you clues.
Does anyone have any ideas on how to detox Ritalin from the body - especially how to get past that blood/brain barrier?
Again, thanks for the information and I think we need yet more information regarding how other raw animal foods affect you. Eventually we'll figure it out.
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Well, I crave to do social things, and the only way I can do it is to abuse Ritalin once again. I have used it very rarely since that incident, but didnt get signficantly worse, just stayed about the same. Right now, I can never get excited or enthused, or feel like myself about anything unless I'm on caffeine or ritalin. Basically, I need a stimulant to feel like myself. Before turning 20, I used to never need anything to get excited, it just happened naturally. I can feel how it's the front part of my brain that won't turn on anymore. The thing is, I dont' hear of this happening to anybody else from ritalin use, a bunch of my friends and tons of people abuse this drug way harder and way more often than me, and don't have problems like me, so I can't really blame the ritalin. Since diet had such an impact, it gave hope that there was a bigger picture here of poor health of my brain body connection.
^^ I've tried everything Aajonus Vonderplantiz as suggested, tried raw milkm butter, raw animal suet, raw oragans, etc. Organs are good, so is raw fat, dairy is not good.
But I discovered that I was eating way too much raw oragans and muscles that it was way too much iron in m system and making me way too tired, etc. Too much of anything is bad. I had soo much in my system, that right now, even a little raw suet, raw organ, or muscle raises that iron back to being too high. In a few weeks, I'll probably start eating raw meat again.
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Keep yourself ridiculously busy.
Stay off the internet
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Well, I crave to do social things, and the only way I can do it is to abuse Ritalin once again. I have used it very rarely since that incident, but didnt get signficantly worse, just stayed about the same. Right now, I can never get excited or enthused, or feel like myself about anything unless I'm on caffeine or ritalin. Basically, I need a stimulant to feel like myself. Before turning 20, I used to never need anything to get excited, it just happened naturally. I can feel how it's the front part of my brain that won't turn on anymore. The thing is, I dont' hear of this happening to anybody else from ritalin use, a bunch of my friends and tons of people abuse this drug way harder and way more often than me, and don't have problems like me, so I can't really blame the ritalin. Since diet had such an impact, it gave hope that there was a bigger picture here of poor health of my brain body connection.
^^ I've tried everything Aajonus Vonderplantiz as suggested, tried raw milkm butter, raw animal suet, raw oragans, etc. Organs are good, so is raw fat, dairy is not good.
But I discovered that I was eating way too much raw oragans and muscles that it was way too much iron in m system and making me way too tired, etc. Too much of anything is bad. I had soo much in my system, that right now, even a little raw suet, raw organ, or muscle raises that iron back to being too high. In a few weeks, I'll probably start eating raw meat again.
Charlie, different drugs affect individuals differently. I highly suggest you stay away from Ritalin at all costs since it is what started this whole fiasco in the first place! Who cares if other people can abuse it. You aren't them. Other people can eat sugar but sugar does me all sorts of damage. I can't think straight, I get depressed, I can't move. Others it makes happy, me it depresses. Same thing with coffee - except it makes me angry too before it depresses me. If you have to do something then at least just drink coffee until you get this figured out as it's not as intense of a drug as ritalin. But both might have affected your adrenal function. Is your temperature normal? Do you ever get pains in your back just below your kidney area?
You are so right that too much of anything can cause problems - especially for some people. How do you know that you have too much iron? Did you get it tested? So it sounds like a small amount of raw organs and fat is good - you just can't over-do it because of the iron. Is that true? Can you eat raw organs and raw fat and not have the deadening get worse? Milk doesn't work for so many people that it's not surprising.
Does fat really have a lot of iron in it? Fat is so essential for brain function that it can't be overestimated.
How about raw eggs. That's in AV's protocol right? How do they sit?
I can't seem to eat more than a tiny bit of muscle meat but I can eat tons of fat. My brain seems to really love the stuff and my body is happy with it. I've never heard of fat containing lots of iron. Would someone else chime in here about the fat and iron connection?
Charlie, I'd like to try to convince you to not try to push the energy you want by unnatural means but to try to keep on experimenting and working on a natural and healthy long-term solution. If you keep on experimenting and working on the problem that the Ritalin caused by trying to deactivate what happened to you or reactivate what was turned off rather than push it further by taking more Ritalin - I think you might have a better long-term life experience in general. It's going to suck not having energy, but from that place you can see how natural things you try affect you or not. As long as you are unnaturally forcing things you don't have a baseline from which to analyze things. Besides, something obviously went terribly wrong with a drug. The way to try to make it right isn't by continuing to take more the drug that made it wrong in the first place.
Some dietary things really helped you. It took away the intense pain for instance. There are certain healthy things you can eat. No one here is telling you to eat too much of anything. It's a delicate balance for all of us as individuals. I can't eat too much fruit or I get loopy. Everyone has different imbalances to deal with. Eventually, if you are persistent, you get closer and closer by getting more and more information and hints as to what might and does work for you as an individual.
Please stay hopeful. People have come back from much worse things than what you are experiencing. You are able to think and aren't hallucinating right? That gives you a LOT to work with. You also have a whole group of people with experience and ideas here to help you work it through - however long it takes. All you can do is start where you are.
I'm going to repeat a couple of the important questions here at the end.
1. How do you know that your iron levels get too high?
2. Do organs and fat make your system more depressed?
3. How do eggs affect you?
4. Is your temperature normal? Do you have any physical pains?
and I'll add one:
5. Have you tried high meat?
Thanks for talking about your experiences Charlie.
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Keep yourself ridiculously busy.
Stay off the internet
When someone is seriously depressed it is a biochemical disease that prevents them from being able to be busy. He is on the internet trying to get help.
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When someone is seriously depressed it is a biochemical disease that prevents them from being able to be busy. He is on the internet trying to get help.
It's not a disease, lately it has been linked to inflammation. No one really knows why.
They get mental patients to do basket weaving, keeps them busy and it can be meditative.
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if you craved socializing you would do it without the use of Ritalin
you need to figure out what makes you happy and stop participating in bullshit, its called growing up, what you appreciated when you were younger and what is more fulfilling to you change, you need to figure that out
depression can become a severe chemical imbalance when someone starts abusing their bodies with food, mood, environment, habits, etc...but mostly it starts when some thing is off in a persons life and they start living in a way that becomes more and more physically and mentally unhealthy because they are not aware that they need to change their living situation and get healthy on all levels
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ps dont take ritalin, thats fucking stupid...
psilocybin mushrooms will open connections in your brain
go camping somewhere you feel comfortable and take a few grams, less than 4, on an empty stomach and go for a hike
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Charlie, you seriously need some psychiatric help my friend. I doubt anyone can help you in this forum, unless there a trained professional. If you function better on cooked foods, than by all means eat cooked food. If raw meat turns you into Mr. Hyde, then don't eat it. What's with the "warning" on your post? Most of us, if not all. Eat a diet based on raw animal protein. You don't see us going madd, do you? Maybe the medicine that you took, rewired your circuits or something. I doubt, eating raw meat is the culprit. I think your issues go way beyond, what this forum is capable of doing for you. I know there are a lot of people who really want to help you out, and feel for you, and that's great. But, beware, of people who are not qualified to deal with your problems/issues. You seem like a smart person, use your common sense, and follow you instincts. Good Luck with your condition! I hope you get the help, and support that you deserve.
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It's not a disease, lately it has been linked to inflammation. No one really knows why.
They get mental patients to do basket weaving, keeps them busy and it can be meditative.
When I say disease - maybe I more mean that it is beyond his control. It is a physiological, biochemical kind of thing. If he had someone there to keep him busy that would be good, but Charlie from what he said is having a real hard time self-motivating.
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No one on a forum is able to diagnose or treat anything - yet... I have found extraordinary help here and from PaleoPhil in the past in ways that I could never get from a standard medical practitioner for me and my family because all but a tiny percent have not a CLUE about diet. If he goes to psychiatrist they will just start pumping him up with drugs. If he wants something else, or is hoping to discover something more natural for himself - he needs to discover some new ideas. This is a place FILLED with new ideas.
Charlie has very specifically asked for what kind of suggestions that he is looking for. I think he has every right to ask for it and to say what he isn't willing to entertain. He has to take charge for himself. I think he's trying to do that with diet.
This is predominantly a diet related forum and he is open to trying diet related possibilities for helping himself. He put out a warning in case anyone else was suffering as he was - granted - not worded that great but I'm letting it slide as he has already said that his problems started way before raw paleo. He admits that his brain isn't working that great and that he is having serious problems socially. That kind of wording to me is just a demonstration of his problems. Such wording is alienating to us. It makes sense with everything else that he would do that. I'm not letting that stop me from trying to do what he is asking for.
Jessica - I have to agree with what you said much more directly than me. Ritalin in my opinion too is stupid. I'm not sure about doing any other things that can create hallucinations in his delicate state though.
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Here's some information on Ritalin that I found:
"Methylphenidate works by affecting some of the natural chemicals that are found in the brain. In particular, it increases the activity of chemicals called dopamine and noradrenaline in areas of the brain that play a part in controlling attention and behaviour."
Sedating effect of Ritalin
Dr. Breggin notes that “In today’s society, the drugging of children to control their behavior is viewed as a medical activity, but it has little or nothing to do with the genuine practice of medicine.”[12] He also warns that Ritalin is being used to medicate children into submission. This observation is similar to that made in the book Not in Our Genes, which reported that in the use of Ritalin,
… higher doses simply result in sedation—yet in school use it is the higher doses that tend to be employed.[13] This makes the drug yet one more version of the chemical straightjacket, ensuring that the teacher has an easier task in maintaining classroom order, but only by doping out the children who would otherwise make it harder.[14]
Dr. Breggin accuses our school system of waging a “war on children” in which schools are selectively suppressing some of the most intelligent, brave, energetic, and creative children. He writes:
There’s a war against children going on in our schools and the most outstanding of our children are the first to be targeted for control by drugs. We’re using drugs the way gardeners use herbicides to destroy weeds—except these toxins are aimed at the flowering of our children. Schools are not the only institutions that encourage the drugging of children. Controlling children with psychiatric medications is rampant in foster homes and in any institutional setting, such as juvenile detention centers and prisons, where docility is valued.[15]
He also accuses indiscriminate use of dangerous drugs on children as a form of “technological child abuse” and laments the fact that many of his colleagues in the medical profession could stem the tide of this abuse, but have not:
The psychiatric diagnosing and drugging of children should be viewed as a form of technological child abuse—conformity enforced by physical suppression of the brain. I do not blame the millions of parents and teachers who have been hoodwinked by organized psychiatry and medicine. Instead, I hold my colleagues responsible for this national catastrophe, especially those mental health professionals who enjoy leadership roles in professional associations, universities, government agencies, and industry. I call upon them to find the courage to stand up on behalf of children. The combined efforts of a relatively small but ethical fraction of the health profession could stem the tide of medical child abuse.[16]
Ritalin: a dangerous drug
There is no evidence that Ritalin has any beneficial long-term effects. In a study done by R. Weiss and his scientific colleagues, hyperactive children who had been treated with Ritalin for up to five years, and compared them to similarly hyperactive children who had not had drug treatment.[17] They fully expected to see a beneficial drug effect. But they reported “no differences in adolescence between the drugged and the undrugged children in school marks, in number of grades failed, in amount of hyperactivity, or in antisocial behavior. The problems of organically hyperactive children seemed to linger on, whether or not they had been drugged.”[18]
Ritalin has been touted as a safe, non-addictive drug. Unfortunately, both claims are false. As Dr. Breggin points out, “It is not a speculation but a fact demonstrated in thousands of laboratory studies in normal animals: All psychiatric drugs produce severe biochemical imbalances and related abnormalities by interferring with the normal brain function.”[19] He also writes that Ritalin and other stimulants:
… do not ‘normalize’ the brain; they render it abnormal. This cannot be over-emphasized: Stimulants produce pathological malfunctions in the child’s brain. Whenever these drugs have any direct effect on the child’s mind or behavior, they do so by disrupting brain function. In short, effective doses of Ritalin always cause malfunctions in the brain.[20]
This drug-induced brain disruption is the “robotic effect” sometimes observed in children taking Ritalin.
Regarding the erroneous claims that Ritalin is non-addictive, it should be noted that “Under the Controlled Substances Act, the FDA classifies Ritalin in Schedule II—the most addictive class of drugs in medical use. It shares Schedule II with other stimulants (Dexedrine and cocaine) and with narcotics (morphine).”[21] The International Narcotics Control Board in 1996 declared: “Methlyphenidate’s [Ritalin’s] pharmacological effects are essentially the same as those of amphetamine and methamphetamines. The abuse of methlyphenidate can lead to tolerance and severe psychological dependence. Psychotic episodes, violent and bizarre behavior have been reported.”[22] Furthermore, the International Narcotics Control Board reported that in 1996 “emergency room visits by children age 10-14 involving Ritalin intoxication have now reached the same level as those for cocaine. This indicates escalating abuse of this highly addictive drug.”
A little known fact is that drug addicts are frequently using Ritalin. By 1973 G.S. Omenn noted:
Illicit traffic in Ritalin has increased among narcotic addicts… Those on Methadone appreciate the “up” effect of Ritalin. Those on heroin can prolong the duration of action of a given dose of heroin by concommitantly taking Ritalin… In Chicago’s Cook County Prison, Ritalin is called “West Coast” by the heroin addicts.[23]
Other physical effects of Ritalin include brain shrinkage, according to a 1986 report by Henry A. Nasrallah:
A team led by Henry A. Nasrallah (1986) from Ohio State found shrinkage of the brain more than 50% of twenty-four young adults with hyperactivity since childhood. Shrinkage—or the more technical term, atrophy—indicates that brain tissue has become withered and reduced in volume.[24]
Ritalin has also been proven to effect growth in children:
Dozens of studies have demonstrated that Ritalin disrupts the normal cycle of growth hormone production in the body. By the mid 1970s, the effect of Ritalin in disrupting growth hormone levels in most subjects was already “unequivocal.” The adverse effect on growth hormone is so regular and predictable that it can be used as a measure of whether or not the Ritalin is active in the child’s body.[25]
Additionally, Ritalin use can affect future career choices of children. The Department of Defense has an official policy of turning away all recruits who have taken Ritalin or other similar drugs after the age of twelve.[26] But Dr. Breggin’s warning about Ritalin are not based merely on compromised career choices; he considers Ritalin a toxic agent that should be illegal: “I believe it is abusive and I think it should be illegal. It harms the brain of the child and undermines any hope of a peaceful, loving resolution of the conflicts the child is having with other people.”[27]
from: http://www.tldm.org/news6/ritalin.htm (http://www.tldm.org/news6/ritalin.htm)
Charlie - if you feel like you have become less vibrant and alive and are emotionally sedated after taking Ritalin and socially dampened - that's basically what it is designed to do as a drug. It's also highly addictive. Stand clear of it if you can. If you can't stop taking it - get help with the addiction.
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No one has really suggested much good, mostly people telling me how to live, and lecturing. I thought people on here were after the truth of improved health, so why are you all repeating shit that we know doesn't work! Everything people have said I already know, and I mean EVERYTHING. If there's something I don't know or didn't try, I'll say it!! This post is about throwing out a bate, hoping I'll catch a response from someone who had the same thing happen to them, and how they cured it. If you don't meet my requirements for responding, then don't!!
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Oh and Dorothy asked if I ate eggs, raw or not. No, I don't eat a female chickens period. Thats even stupider than guzzling a female four legged herbivore's milk for their newly born.
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But I discovered that I was eating way too much raw oragans and muscles that it was way too much iron in m system and making me way too tired, etc. Too much of anything is bad. I had soo much in my system, that right now, even a little raw suet, raw organ, or muscle raises that iron back to being too high. In a few weeks, I'll probably start eating raw meat again.
Just go donate some blood if you have too much iron..
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Please Charlie, the drug Retalin is obviously blocking ur system. U are not going to find anyone in this forum that takes this stupid drugs and coming for HELP in this forum.
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No bait here Charlie. I figured you out a while ago! Why do you linger, and persist in this forum? Seems like your looking for a magical pill. You stated in a prior post, that your here because of mental illness. Dude, nutrition is only one step. I wouldn't know where to start with you? Maybe, a shrink? I'd suggest a dog, but you'd probably abuse it, like you do a lot of people already in your life. You need to get off this self pity bullshit. I doubt your going to find someone on this site, who is as fucked up as you are! Really man, did you really have to go off on these people, who are here trying to help you? If you don't like what you hear, then move on and disappear. I for one, won't miss your childhood antics! Grow UP!
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No one has really suggested much good, mostly people telling me how to live, and lecturing. I thought people on here were after the truth of improved health, so why are you all repeating shit that we know doesn't work! Everything people have said I already know, and I mean EVERYTHING. If there's something I don't know or didn't try, I'll say it!! This post is about throwing out a bate, hoping I'll catch a response from someone who had the same thing happen to them, and how they cured it. If you don't meet my requirements for responding, then don't!!
Oh and Dorothy asked if I ate eggs, raw or not. No, I don't eat a female chickens period. Thats even stupider than guzzling a female four legged herbivore's milk for their newly born.
Charlie4444,
Whoa... this is odd. People here are trying their best to help you and we get this?
There are possibilities here:
#1 - You have serious anger issues that blind you in rage.
or
#2 - You are high on drugs / deranged on drugs whether legal or illegal.
or
#3 - Your account was compromised and taken over by a vegan troll.
Maybe it's better if you communicate by voice or video or see a real healer personally.
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Hugs?
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This thread just goes to show me how compassionate most people on this forum are. Honestly, I know we all have differences here and there but these are some of the most educated free thinking, good willed people i know
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eat more fat, omega 3's
perhaps you reacted to the chicken because its super high omega 6 and inflammatory
heres a timely article on excessive iron from dr. mercola
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/19/excess-iron-leads-to-alzheimers.aspx?e_cid=20120719_DNL_artNew_1 (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/19/excess-iron-leads-to-alzheimers.aspx?e_cid=20120719_DNL_artNew_1)
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Eating more fat like animal's fat and omega 3 (minami brand which Dorothy recommended) put ur priority list. Lots of fats and probiotics therapy. Have u ever tried the probiotics therepy? that will be very effective . VSL#3 enemas once a day, VSL#3 taking oraly twice a day, high meat as much as u can for everyday. U can replace the raw meat by high meat. Get some delicious drinks with full of probiotics. Your depression will go away instantly.
Stop taking drugs. Even if u do, then slowly reduce the drugs and u will be again the REAL you in no time.
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No one has really suggested much good, mostly people telling me how to live, and lecturing. I thought people on here were after the truth of improved health, so why are you all repeating shit that we know doesn't work! Everything people have said I already know, and I mean EVERYTHING. If there's something I don't know or didn't try, I'll say it!! This post is about throwing out a bate, hoping I'll catch a response from someone who had the same thing happen to them, and how they cured it. If you don't meet my requirements for responding, then don't!!
Some people have lectured - but not all. I haven't right? Some people have gotten results for themselves and some people have helped other people get results. You want to know both no? Anything that has worked is what I think you are asking to know about.
I asked you five questions in order to try to make some good suggestions regarding diet for you - which what I understood to be the kind of thing you want suggestions on.
So here again are the 5 questions:
1. How do you know that your iron levels get too high?
2. Do organs and fat make your system more depressed?
3. How do eggs affect you?
4. Is your temperature normal? Do you have any physical pains?
and I'll add one:
5. Have you tried high meat?
You answered one of the questions - you will not eat eggs or milk. Good - at least we know that now.
If you haven't tried high meat I would highly suggest it because many people here have gotten very good results with emotional/brain issues using high meat to add the good bacteria back into their guts to allow them to eat raw animal products and digest/use what's in them to feed their brains and central nervous systems. Gut bacteria is not only the center of our digestive force, but also the center of our immune systems and can have massive affects on brain function and emotions. If you are eating lots of vegetables and fruits, I also suggest you eat probiotic foods made from the kinds of foods you are eating. With what's going on with you though, animal foods have the nutrients that you will need to heal your brain more than other foods, but what good is eating them if you can't digest them?! You might need to eat high meat in order to be able to digest the foods that can help your brain.
If fat doesn't give you high iron or make your symptoms worse - which I still can't believe it does because it is the meat itself, not the fat, that is high in iron - then I would strongly suggest that you eat lots of good raw fats to help nourish and heal your brain.
Also, I personally would try some clay if I were you as it might help to detox your body from the Ritalin poison you ingested.
I would also work on increasing your adrenal health as Ritalin and coffee and sugary foods will eventually deplete your adrenal glands to the point where you no longer are able to use them properly to get the energy you need. Adrenal fatigue will make it so that you no longer can socialize.
Also, I bet your liver is overwhelmed thoroughly from the drug(s) and that is why you get angry so easily. You emit a liver compromised manner. I would highly suggest some milk thistle tincture or other means to cleanse your liver.
I would also do some niacin if you can since it has the affect of opening up the blood vessels in the brain so that the blood can get to all of it in order to remove the toxins and bring in nutrients. There are other really good vessel opening supplements, but there is a long therapeutic history of niacin with people with emotional/mental disturbances.
Those are some of my first suggestions.
If you have heard them all before and tried them all please let me know and I will offer some more.
I'm wishing you healing wherever and however you can find it Charlie.
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eat more fat, omega 3's
perhaps you reacted to the chicken because its super high omega 6 and inflammatory
heres a timely article on excessive iron from dr. mercola
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/19/excess-iron-leads-to-alzheimers.aspx?e_cid=20120719_DNL_artNew_1 (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/19/excess-iron-leads-to-alzheimers.aspx?e_cid=20120719_DNL_artNew_1)
Excellent article Jessica - thanks for posting it! That's really good to know about excess iron.
Also about the eggs. If eggs are raised on regular chicken food out of bags they are indeed too high in omega 6 fatty acids, but if the chickens are raised as "raw paleo chickens :)" then their eggs are actually much higher in omega 3 than omega 6s.
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Thank you Dorothy for bringing up the function of adrenal gland. My schizophrenic brother shows an extremely positive result when we put him into Doc Ron's adrenal; and thyroid gland powder. His thyroid tests are always come ok which is not. Dr. Hoffers' patients who are behind with the improvement with niacin, he put them on on thyroid treatment and got the 80% result on that. For the gland treatment, after consuming thyroid and adrenal, u need to see the pulse couple of times a day. If the pulse is over 100 to 110, that will correct ur depression and other mental syndrome right away. My brother used to have the most 80. But even that he gets the good result. We put him on orthomolecular treatment in India. In USA, we can't force him to do asnything,'cause he is over 26th. They teach him how to be independent from parents. But when he was on orthomolecular treatment, he used to be on more on paleo diet (lots of fat, high meat, probioticetc.) which has lots of B vitamins work like magic. So, Charlie, u r in the right track. God bless u.
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http://drlwilson.com/Articles/IRON.htm (http://drlwilson.com/Articles/IRON.htm)
http://drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/SEXUAL%20CRAVING.htm (http://drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/SEXUAL%20CRAVING.htm)
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So here again are the 5 questions:
1. How do you know that your iron levels get too high?
2. Do organs and fat make your system more depressed?
3. How do eggs affect you?
4. Is your temperature normal? Do you have any physical pains?
and I'll add one:
5. Have you tried high meat?
To Dorothy
I said I tried everything in Aajonus Vonderplantiz book. Organs and fat are great for my body and physical health, everythiing about raw animals is !! I've alreayd said this. It has made me calm, happy, and sedated, but makes me extremely lazy and makes me not want to interact with the rest of the world. So eating more organs and fat are good phsically, not for interacting with the world, again, already said this. I've tired raw and cooked eggs, and they just make my mind fucked up for some reason. yes my tempeture is normal, I've always had low blood pressure though, I'm skinny, all skinny people do. Yes, I've done a lot of rotten, moldy meat, which was excellent,. I'm so spent on discussing things, I 'm really only here for serious solutions, i.e, going on a raw food diet was some advice I recieved a while ago I consider good advice.
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To all, I appreciate the responses.
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No one has really suggested much good, mostly people telling me how to live, and lecturing. I thought people on here were after the truth of improved health, so why are you all repeating shit that we know doesn't work! Everything people have said I already know, and I mean EVERYTHING. If there's something I don't know or didn't try, I'll say it!! This post is about throwing out a bate, hoping I'll catch a response from someone who had the same thing happen to them, and how they cured it. If you don't meet my requirements for responding, then don't!!
I bet you have not tried bio/neurofeedback. http://www.bulletproofexec.com/hack-stress/ (http://www.bulletproofexec.com/hack-stress/)
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How much time do you actively spend in nature Charlie? IOW, not just trapsing through, but getting off a 'schedule' and just 'being' in the forest, exploring, meditating, observing, sitting, no modern stimuli, just you and the wild?
Also it appears you have a self defeating mechanism inherent in your condition that keeps you from responding positively to solid advice. My ex gf in HS was like that. Tried to help her for a looong ass time, but nothing came of it, she was her only problem but she couldn't stop doing that shit. You have to figure out what is fucking with your biochemistry, get it? Doesn't matter what you have to do to get stable, you better do it and quick or you are f u c k e d for the forseeible future.
Hell, I'll even recommend pharms for your condition if that's what it takes to maintain for the time being!
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So here again are the 5 questions:
1. How do you know that your iron levels get too high?
2. Do organs and fat make your system more depressed?
3. How do eggs affect you?
4. Is your temperature normal? Do you have any physical pains?
and I'll add one:
5. Have you tried high meat?
To Dorothy
I said I tried everything in Aajonus Vonderplantiz book. Organs and fat are great for my body and physical health, everythiing about raw animals is !! I've alreayd said this. It has made me calm, happy, and sedated, but makes me extremely lazy and makes me not want to interact with the rest of the world. So eating more organs and fat are good phsically, not for interacting with the world, again, already said this. I've tired raw and cooked eggs, and they just make my mind fucked up for some reason. yes my tempeture is normal, I've always had low blood pressure though, I'm skinny, all skinny people do. Yes, I've done a lot of rotten, moldy meat, which was excellent,. I'm so spent on discussing things, I 'm really only here for serious solutions, i.e, going on a raw food diet was some advice I recieved a while ago I consider good advice.
You do have some social disabilities don't you?
Ok - thanks at least for answering most of my questions. I read only that you said "meat" which many here including myself interpreted to mean muscle meat. Thank you for stating that fat and organs give you the same social inabilities and laziness.
You state that you have tried high meat and that it was "excellent" but you didn't say how that in particular made you feel in terms of your problems. I know that I'm picking these things apart, but it's for a good reason. If you were able to eat only the high meat for awhile it might improve your digestion of animal foods in general and the social inability that was the result of the Ritalin.
AV also talks about fruits and veggies and other things that don't seem to give you problems. I'm trying to figure out what exactly gives you the symptoms that you complain of. The general term "meat" just isn't enough.
You also did not state if you got your iron tested to know that it was high. How do you know your iron is high and how do you know which foods are responsible for it?
Do you really think that all my suggestions were not "serious". If you really do, then you obviously aren't serious about getting any help. You just want to complain.
Now that that's all cleared up - no use wasting more time here. I'm only interested in conversations where someone is sharing in a way that adds value for me or with someone who is open to assistance.
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You do have some social disabilities don't you?
Ok - thanks at least for answering most of my questions. I read only that you said "meat" which many here including myself interpreted to mean muscle meat. Thank you for stating that fat and organs give you the same social inabilities and laziness.
You state that you have tried high meat and that it was "excellent" but you didn't say how that in particular made you feel in terms of your problems. I know that I'm picking these things apart, but it's for a good reason. If you were able to eat only the high meat for awhile it might improve your digestion of animal foods in general and the social inability that was the result of the Ritalin.
AV also talks about fruits and veggies and other things that don't seem to give you problems. I'm trying to figure out what exactly gives you the symptoms that you complain of. The general term "meat" just isn't enough.
You also did not state if you got your iron tested to know that it was high. How do you know your iron is high and how do you know which foods are responsible for it?
Do you really think that all my suggestions were not "serious". If you really do, then you obviously aren't serious about getting any help. You just want to complain.
Now that that's all cleared up - no use wasting more time here. I'm only interested in conversations where someone is sharing in a way that adds value for me or with someone who is open to assistance.
^ I don't think you have anything to offer that I don't already know.
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I bet you have not tried bio/neurofeedback. http://www.bulletproofexec.com/hack-stress/ (http://www.bulletproofexec.com/hack-stress/)
Nice, I read one post and like it a lot, even though it looks like a scam with all the products and advertisements.
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^ I don't think you have anything to offer that I don't already know.
I gave it my best shot to see if you were really someone in pain that needed help or was open to it at all - but I think the others are right and you are just a troll or just so far gone that there's no way we can help you. You don't answer questions unless asked many times over and even then you don't usually answer; you assume you know what everyone else has to offer before they offer it; and you post a thread that warns people against eating raw "meat".
If you told me that you tried niacin, liver cleansing etc. etc. and all the other things I suggested and they didn't help that would be one thing - but you just say that you know it all already.
If you know it all already - why post anything? You already know that most people here get increased happiness and better social and brain functioning by eating a raw paleo diet. There's no one else here that abuses Ritalin and then blames their problems on raw meat and doesn't want to hear suggestions.
Your problems are from Ritalin if you really have any at all and you had them when you arrived at the forum. Don't come here to bash raw meat when your problems don't have anything to do with raw meat.
Live as you wish, just don't bash the way we live.
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So here again are the 5 questions:
1. How do you know that your iron levels get too high?
2. Do organs and fat make your system more depressed?
3. How do eggs affect you?
4. Is your temperature normal? Do you have any physical pains?
and I'll add one:
5. Have you tried high meat?
To Dorothy
I said I tried everything in Aajonus Vonderplantiz book. Organs and fat are great for my body and physical health, everythiing about raw animals is !! I've alreayd said this. It has made me calm, happy, and sedated, but makes me extremely lazy and makes me not want to interact with the rest of the world. So eating more organs and fat are good phsically, not for interacting with the world, again, already said this. I've tired raw and cooked eggs, and they just make my mind fucked up for some reason. yes my tempeture is normal, I've always had low blood pressure though, I'm skinny, all skinny people do. Yes, I've done a lot of rotten, moldy meat, which was excellent,. I'm so spent on discussing things, I 'm really only here for serious solutions, i.e, going on a raw food diet was some advice I recieved a while ago I consider good advice.
Here is what I think:
#1 Your first goal / DREAM was to be physically healthy. And yes, raw paleo diet made you Physically Healthy.
#2 Now that you have achieved your First Goal above to be Physically healthy... you seem to be lost because you have no further goals / DREAMS in life!
Once you have finished with ONE DREAM.
You then make a NEW DREAM... a new goal.
You will then know what to do.
You are now physically healthy... so what to do with this new found health...
It has made me calm, happy, and sedated, but makes me extremely lazy and makes me not want to interact with the rest of the world.
This statement is the main IDEA right?
We men need GOALS so we know where we are going.
And accomplishing goals makes us happy.
When I was a teenager I already wrote down my goals in life:
#1 - be a grand parent to a large clan of descendants
#2 - must be a parent of several children first and raise those children to be parents as well.
#3 - must find a wife who wants the same goals
#4 - must learn how to court women first, must practice.
#5 - earning a living and studying are merely tools to achieve my eventual goal.
Any adjustments along the way, do them. Learning about healing ways and raw paleo diet and lifestyle is knowledge and skill needed to achieve my goals. Keep friends that help achieve those goals. Probably why I hang out and volunteer for Pro-Life as well. Probably why I donate my time and computer skills to raw paleo diet community.
Now that I know that we humans have the capability to live 120 to 150 years old... my next probable goal will be to a Great great great grand parent to an even larger clan. Ha ha ha.
Come on, share your goals with us.
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GS - He already said that he wants to have the same social life that he lost before taking Ritalin.
He also said that he doesn't want that kind of advice.
He's just blaming and complaining.
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GS - He already said that he wants to have the same social life that he lost before taking Ritalin.
He also said that he doesn't want that kind of advice.
He's just blaming and complaining.
I think I missed that. Where did he say that he was on Ritalin? Others mentioned Ritalin but not Charlie4444.
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Quotes from Charlie4444 in this thread:
Since you all want to know more about my diet, here it is
My problem abruptly and suddently happened about 4 years ago and has lasted ever since. Basically, I was going along without any malignant problems, untill one day, Actually after I was given some Ritalin from a friend at college, I just woke up a different person. I socially couldn't be myself, I couldn't work hard on anything, I had no quality to myself, I slept all the time, I was acting weird, and watching myself do it from the inside with no control to stop it, just to watch it happen while I was literally possessed by another person. It never went away, even after stopping all drugs, partying, alcohol, school, social life, eating "healthy", seeing doctors, etc. However, one day I tried gluten free, and felt how food could change my mind, which lead to grain free, which lead to paleo, which eventually lead to raw paleo. My positive results were that the diet changes eliminated a lot of the pain and allowed me to do basic things again. However, I still haven't regained the spark, that personality that used to be me, and without that, I can't regain my friends, or social life, or have a serious career or profession, or really a good life. Diet as allowed me to not be in incredible pain, but I haven't gotten my spark back.
READ THIS, for all those "wise" people who want to diagnose me and tell me what's wrong, I GARENTEE you are telling me nothing I don't already know. ONLY GIVE ME TREATMENT STRATEGIES, NEW FOODS TO TRY, MEDICINES, PORTION CONTROL, BREAKTHROUGHS THAT REALLY WORKED FOR YOU, AN ONLINE SUPPORT GROUP THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO MEET, STUFF LIKE THIS. DON'T TELL ME TO CHANGE MY MIND, OR OVERCOME SOMETHING, OR WHATEVER YOU BRAINWASHED YOURSELF WITH TO IMAGINE YOU GOT BETTER.
Well, I crave to do social things, and the only way I can do it is to abuse Ritalin once again. I have used it very rarely since that incident, but didnt get signficantly worse, just stayed about the same.
People have tried lots of different advice in this and other threads but anything besides direct dietary or concrete physical treatment advice is reacted to with hostility and even when offered treatments that are dietary and physical he says he already knows and he already knows we have nothing that he doesn't already know.
Any psychological advice has been reacted with extreme anger in the past.
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Thanks for the quotes... I did miss that.
That Ritalin sure did an enormous job of SCREWING with his mind.
I do not know if Charlie4444 has realized this yet.
I think first off... Charlie4444 needs to be thankful and SMILE for what his diet changes have done for him.
Maybe if Charlie4444 has realized that it is the Ritalin that screwed him up, he can concentrate on being helped to undo the brain damage Ritalin has done.
http://www.royalrife.com/ritalinfraud.html (http://www.royalrife.com/ritalinfraud.html)
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritalin_class_action_lawsuits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritalin_class_action_lawsuits)
(of course the drug companies always win and the consumers always lose)
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So far we haven't even been able to convince him I think that he shouldn't continue taking the stuff even though he himself said that it caused his condition. It's very addicting.... and once it has screwed up your brain you can't even think straight enough to understand you need to stop taking it. Sad.
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i must be suspicious when someone comes here talking something so seemingly absurd to me and has only 86 posts. Might be a troll....
my experience has been nothing but extremely positive.
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just realized he was taking ritalin...well bingo, theres the problem. You are fucking your head up with those amphetamines brother iv seen a million times.
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I think the way to get a "spark" back might be to socialize with other people who enjoy the same thing you do, whether it's a sport, video game, book series, or whatever. There are online groups for just about any hobby, and it's not that hard to meet people IRL from such groups.
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I don't know if anybody has recommended this yet or not, but here some more options
-heavy metal toxicity: often linked with brain/social problems
-things like luminosity, brain fixer, etc. Brain games, using left hand for normal right hand activities like brushing teeth, chopping veggies, etc
-brain stimulating herbs (ginger, garlic, ginko, cayenne, etc)
-chiropractic: my atlas was severely screwed up putting pressure on my brainstem
Just some thoughts.
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All of those thoughts are useless because the biggest problem he has right now is the ritalin. Ritalin is a highly toxic substance that is very bad for the entire body but effects the brain and its processes severely. The main thing he needs to do is get off the ritalin which is hard but I know its what he needs. these pill will fuck up anyones brain.
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Ritalin is the main thing that Charlee is going through now. I believe that he needs help from a professional or from his family who can guide him day to day. My schizophrenic brother is very smart too and he is 26 yrs old. He is not able to take his all prescribed medicines. He is on orthomolecular on and off. These are basically, niacin, B vitamins, like B12, B6...etc. He is completely unable to take them 3 times a day. So my elderly mom quit her very good job in order to take care of him at home. Since he started to visit the hospitals in USA, these institutions has tought him that he is 26, he needs to be independence and he needs to control his own money instead to teach him how to cooperate with his family. So he buys junks from hios social security money. He stays outside whenever he wants and entire orthomolecular treatment gets screwed up by that. Where he needs to maintain his time to take those vitamins. The hardest part is that after visiting long hrs outside and eating lots of junks, his head screws up for good and whern he comes home, he denies to take the vitamins. So mom hides them in his food. Sometimes he eats or drinks from mom and sometimes he doesn't . Whole thing is like a game that u never can predict.
For Charlie, he might need some one's help day to day at the beginning. My brother is on Zyprexa. We don't have any choice, 'cause, US hospitals bombard their patients with these poison. Once u take them, it is hard to get rid of them without any side effects or withdrawls effects. Brother's orthomolecular doctor (in India) suggestes us slowly to reduce the doses of Zyprexa instead of just stopping using this poison. But my brother needs to be on full term orthomolecular treatment, but it is very difficult where he goes away from home.
Also toxic metal in the body are really have an effect on socialization and negative thoughts. Charlee, go for hair test. That is very helpful for u.
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Troll - yep - that's the essence of the problem - Ritalin.
We have given suggestions on how to detox and how to try to reverse the effects, but if he keeps on taking it - there's no way out. I posted on it's effects which are exactly what he says is happening to him (with lots of references). But he says he knows it all. He says he needs the Ritalin and coffee to have any motivation.
I think it's a clear case of addiction.
Raw - I think you are right He probably really needs someone to help him in person. Addictions like that are really hard to beat on your own.
There are many really great suggestions here and in the other threads where he has asked for help - but as long as he is taking the Ritalin (which he himself said is what started it all) how is anything going to really help?
Btw - if you guys didn't catch it - it wasn't prescribed to him. He gets it from "friends". There is a big black market for Ritalin because of it's addictive nature.
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Troll - yep - that's the essence of the problem - Ritalin.
We have given suggestions on how to detox and how to try to reverse the effects, but if he keeps on taking it - there's no way out. I posted on it's effects which are exactly what he says is happening to him (with lots of references). But he says he knows it all. He says he needs the Ritalin and coffee to have any motivation.
I think it's a clear case of addiction.
Raw - I think you are right He probably really needs someone to help him in person. Addictions like that are really hard to beat on your own.
There are many really great suggestions here and in the other threads where he has asked for help - but as long as he is taking the Ritalin (which he himself said is what started it all) how is anything going to really help?
Btw - if you guys didn't catch it - it wasn't prescribed to him. He gets it from "friends". There is a big black market for Ritalin because of it's addictive nature.
Dorothy, if you want to meet me in person, I'm fine with that.
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How often do you take Ritalin Charlie? What other drugs have you taken and what other drugs are you doing now?
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not only are you destroying your health, especially your mind with all of this ritalin, you are also risking a lot of hard time just by possessing it through friends rather than authorized drug dealers.
one piece of advice will help you solve most of your problems: MAKE YOUR MAIN GOAL RIGHT NOW TO GET OFF THE PHARMACEUTICALS. nOTHING ELSE IN YOUR LIFE MATTERS AS MUCH AS THIS ONE THINGS RIGHT NOW. BELIEVE ME.
Sorry about the caps but the solution is just so simple that I want it to be very clear.