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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: dariorpl on January 04, 2015, 03:22:14 pm
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What are your thoughts on vaccines?
I've seen some people here refer to them as necessary under bad conditions.
I see them as nothing but venom injected into the body as if it were being delivered by a snake, scorpion or spider. I haven't seen any conclusive evidence that they do any good, and I have seen lots of evidence that they do plenty of bad. People get all sorts of negative reactions from vaccines that are often minimized or unreported, from mild symptoms to allergies to even paralysis and death. And when you look into what's in them, it's no surprise. Moreover, injecting anything directly into the bloodstream bypasses our bodies' first lines of defense against foreign and toxic substances. Which is why venoumous animals use exactly this method of delivery.
Let me tell you my personal story. When I was 6 years old, my mother told me that we were going somewhere, I don't remember what she said, but I remember I was not concerned about going. Up until then my health had never been a concern, I was a very healthy and strong kid. When we arrived at the hospital, and she told me what they were going to do, I panicked. I wanted out of there. I instinctively knew that this was bad for me. If it wasn't, then why did my mother have to lie to get me to go? They had to drag me kicking and screaming into the vaccination room, where it took two big guys, a nurse, the doctor and my mother to all hold me down at the same time to keep me still enough to inject me. It was a nightmare.
A few days went by, and I was coming home from the swimming classes in the bus that would take all the kids from home to the pool and back. I noticed I had some yellow goo coming out of my arm, where they had injected me, and mentioned it to the kid sitting next to me. I didn't know what it was. He said it was called pus and it meant I was going to die. It made perfect sense to me, after all, I was injected with a poison right in that spot. I was depressed all day. When my mother asked me what was going on, I told her. She calmed my fears and told me I wasn't going to die. I wasn't sure if I should believe her or not; after all, she was the one who tricked me into going, and she held me down along with the others. And she was a doctor. I never trusted doctors.
A few months after that, school had just started, and I began getting colds that would last for months. I would have several every year, so that in total, 6 to 9 months out of the year, I had a cold. This had never happened before. Most of the time, the mucus that I would blow out of my nose was very thick and a dark yellow color, just like the pus coming out of my arm was. It slowly diminished over time until I was 22, when I was only having them 3 to 5 months out of the year, and then they suddenly stopped when I started taking massive amounts of vitamin C supplements. (I'm not taking the vitamin C anymore, I think it probably caused me other problems, and the colds have not resurfaced yet).
I had other vaccines when I was 9, 10, 11, 12 and 15 that probably gave me other health problems or exacerbated them. But the one I had when I was 6 was the one that made the most impact, and it wasn't until recently that I made the connection between the vaccine and my health starting to go down the drain.
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dariopl,
Your story is but one of thousands, maybe even millions of like stories. A friend of mine's son is an autistic child who I have never heard utter a word, but he swings his head around, looks everywhere but at you except occasionally when he looks at you with a completely empty stare which is very disconcerting. He became this way shortly after vaccination. Many PPL complained about this sort of thing and of course the Doctor's union swings back saying there is no proof of any problem despite the fact that they have no reporting system to tally up problems with vaccination.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/12/30/vaccine-injury-compensation-program.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/12/30/vaccine-injury-compensation-program.aspx)
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/12/02/vaccine-court-cases.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/12/02/vaccine-court-cases.aspx)
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/11/15/vaccine-safety-greater-good.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/11/15/vaccine-safety-greater-good.aspx)
Lots more pages on that site related to vaccine problems.
The medical mafia thoroughly disgraced one British Doctor, by publicly making up stories about him and I believe taking away his license when he suggested a link with autism and of course they publicly humiliate any women including Jenny McCarty who have a child change after vaccination, particularly to becoming autistic.
However they were forced to stop when a couple who both happened to be MDs became the first Americans to beat Big Pharma in a court case after their child became autistic post-vaccination.
It is a huge business and now they even force some PPL in the workplace to be vaccinated or to wear around a paper mask all day. We cannot visit our elderly in old folks homes unless we are vaccinated.
The whole thing is based on herd immunity but it is so simple. If someone wants to be vaccinated, fine. Why should I be forced? If the other person is vaccinated, then they should be immune? Well that logic escapes the medical PPL and especially drug companies in a forever search for new business.
Then there is the issue of vaccinated PPL passing the disease to others
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/11/09/ebola-vaccine-downside.aspx (http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/11/09/ebola-vaccine-downside.aspx)
It's like the Ebola scam. They manufactured this "threat" in the media, but then MDs etc from various places in the world went over to Africa bringing Ozone, MMS and Colloidal Silver as well as probably other therapies that easily stopped Ebola in it's tracks. Then the medical Mafia had to do damage control to make sure the natives back in the first world didn't hear about these non-drug therapies, so money changed hands (one guesses).
https://www.bulletproofexec.com/dr-robert-rowen-treating-ebola-ozone-therapy-168/ (https://www.bulletproofexec.com/dr-robert-rowen-treating-ebola-ozone-therapy-168/)
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*sigh* LOL
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My #1 child was vaccinated up to 2 years... we were ignorant then.
My #2 child was vaccinated up to 6 months... we woke up by that time... stopped everything.
My #3 child and onwards no more vaccinations... zero vaccinations... I'm fully awake by this time...
Experiences with illnesses... the 1st child is hands down the sickliest (with to die for episodes) of them all... also had primary complex / TB when he was supposedly vaccinated for it... cured with raw paleo diet with daily plasma muscle blood drinking and beam ray sessions in 2 months.
2nd child has some itches on his skin that never go quite away.
3rd and more have no problems at all.
So in my experience with my children (see their pics in my avatar) ... it seems vaccinations sucked really bad... and the no vaccine camp is a total success for my children.
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Thanks GS.
A friend of mine's wife is a teacher. She has signed a 'no vaccination agreement' for her children, with the school.
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Thanks everyone for the responses and links, they've been very illuminating.
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Her stuff is definitely conspiracy, but there is a vein of truth running through it.
http://vitalitycapsules.com/the-modern-face-of-syphilis (http://vitalitycapsules.com/the-modern-face-of-syphilis)
http://vitalitycapsules.com/radio-show-vaccinosis (http://vitalitycapsules.com/radio-show-vaccinosis)
http://vitalitycapsules.com/radio-show-flu-and-flu-shots (http://vitalitycapsules.com/radio-show-flu-and-flu-shots)
http://vitalitycapsules.com/truth-files (http://vitalitycapsules.com/truth-files)
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... but there is a vein of truth running through it.
Pun intended? ;D
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Pun intended? ;D
naturellement ;) I guess you got my point
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/13/kenya-catholic-tetanus-vaccine_n_6151946.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/13/kenya-catholic-tetanus-vaccine_n_6151946.html)
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This guy is on a mission. He is very bright, clear, and is leading the charge to get rid of vaccines and big pharma. Any doubt as to the cause of autism/strokes etc is clearly dispelled by this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Pb2gqbkyk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Pb2gqbkyk)
Vaccine injuries, Dr. Andrew Moulden, Conférence Liberté de Choix en Santé, Montréal, 12 sept. 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6Pb2gqbkyk#)
http://truthalerts.com/dr-andrew-moulden-learning-to-identify-vaccine-damage/ (http://truthalerts.com/dr-andrew-moulden-learning-to-identify-vaccine-damage/)
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I think the main problem with this vaccination "debate" is how many people these days have the opportunity to BET several of their children.
With the "dearth" of children in the urban centers where most internet forum posters usually reside... the fertility rates are way down to usually 1 child per woman.
So they can't really "experiment" / "bet" with enough children on either side of the vaccine debate.
Hopefully you guys can find more parents like me who have bet enough children on either camp... then put us all together and make your statistical graphs.
Sabertooth has a good amount of kids... ask his experience with vaccines.
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I do understand the risk associated with vaccination, but I have a hard time saying "no" to vaccination. I vaccinated my three children, with the idea that their healthy, whole-foods diet would help them develop the right anti-bodies without devastating peripheral damage.
The problem for me is the memory of poliomyelitis among my peers. I was already a school-age child when the polio vaccines were developed, so I lived among the fear of polio and its effects. It's easy to say "no" to vaccination now that the incidence of diseases like polio are rare, but would the anti-vaccination camp be willing to go back to the old way of death, severe disability, and months on end in an iron lung? Multiply that by all the other severe diseases that we can vaccinate against, and I'm not ready to return to the grim faces and hushed tones of the families whose children contracted diseases like polio, smallpox, and all the other plagues that are nowadays rare.
This is not a perfect world and there are no easy answers, but avoiding vaccines in 2015 seems to be a symptom of forgetting how devastating most diseases were.
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When I got wind of the vaccination debate... my wife and I researched every single vaccine INDIVIDUALLY.
What happened was one by one we were crossing out each vaccine that failed our research.
Until surprisingly...ALL of the scheduled vaccines were crossed out.
Only then were we convinced all this childhood vaccination crap is a scam.
For polio... our research concluded that "wild" polio was nowhere to be found in the 21st century when our children were being born. The only cause of polio afflictions in the 21st century was from polio vaccines... especially "live" polio vaccines! Tragic conclusion!
Therefore... my children would have a much higher chance of getting polio if he / she was vaccinated for polio! Because the polio vaccine is the primary cause of polio in the 21st century!
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For polio... our research concluded that "wild" polio was nowhere to be found in the 21st century when our children were being born.
That's exactly my point! There would have been no near-eradication without the vaccine. Why decide to become a possible carrier for an outbreak when the disease is almost eradicated worldwide?
My sister was a live-vaccine "victim" but her ill health is nothing when compared to my friends who are from the last of the polio epidemics in the US
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Eveheart,
Did you watch the video?
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Eveheart,
Did you watch the video?
No, I'm familiar with Dr. Moulden elsewhere. I don't dispute the danger of vaccines. I do not doubt that the single-germ theories of diseases are dead wrong. On a personal level, my sister was identified in an early "group" of disputed live Sabin vaccine-related illnesses, and she survives to this day with some terrible side-effects. However, I believe that, even to this day, the risk of disease is much higher than the risk of vaccine if the disease rose to epidemic levels, and I see the trade-off at a different point than the anti-vaccination group sees it.
I also think there is a danger in changing horses in the middle of the stream: abandoning vaccination prior to eradication is unwise IMO unless "all" of us start living disease-resistant lifestyles. I just don't see any great rush to avoid the real causes of disease, and until a safer "magic bullet" comes along, we should use the one (vaccination) that seems to be eradicating diseases without some miraculous shift in human nature.
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in my area where skunks carry rabies, I'm not disappointed at all in being required to vaccinate my dogs for rabies. Without studying it more, I can well imagine dead cell viruses without mercury as being fairly harmless and at the same time stimulating the immune system to be on guard with antibodies. Just read an interview with Andrew Weil where he faults the government for not coming up with a vaccination sooner for E Boli. It's easy to criticize vaccinations, but if you had the disease you might think differently. For the record I haven't had one since high school.
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Eve,
Diseases will never be eradicated. They often just change the names and morph. You cannot prevent PPL from being sick and it has nothing to do with the microbes.
Improvement in standard of living in cities with more food and better housing and sanitation is the reason for reduced incidence of disease nowadays. The reason that we live longer is that these things and various methods of combatting childhood infections is responsible for the increase in lifespans.
What gives someone the right to force you to do what they think is right? That is what is being done with vaccination?
My friend, an MD, has a coworker who is forced to go to work wearing a mask all day because she has adverse reactions to vaccines. You cannot go visit old folks homes unless you are vaccinated. Some PPL are not allowed to work unless they are vaccinated. Yet every mid november it is announced that Ooops they got the wrong vaccine.... sorry but there are still supplies left so hurry and get your that are provided free by the "Government".
I think that maybe if you had a chance to have a chat with a friend and coworker of mine who has an autistic child you might change your mind. It all started just post vaccination. The child looks totally bizarre, is incapable of any human reaction, will be a large infant till death, requiring constant attention.
I could go on....
Van,
You might want to listen to this interview of the author of the second link...
http://vitalitycapsules.com/radio-show-vaccinosis (http://vitalitycapsules.com/radio-show-vaccinosis)
http://www.amazon.ca/Mark-Beast-Hidden-Plain-Sight/dp/1448644534 (http://www.amazon.ca/Mark-Beast-Hidden-Plain-Sight/dp/1448644534)
I suspect that since you are on this site that you feed your pet a more substantial diet than most and thus it is likelier to be healthier.
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Girl got vaccinated early January 2015... died January 18, 2015... put it all together and you know the true cause of her death.
New for 2015
Nevada girl, 5, dies from flu strain she was vaccinated against
Sunday, January 25, 2015, 6:18 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/girl-5-dies-flu-strain-vaccinated-article-1.2091435 (http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/girl-5-dies-flu-strain-vaccinated-article-1.2091435)
A five-year-old girl from the Las Vegas area died Tuesday after coming down with the strain of flu she had been vaccinated against earlier this year.
Kiera Driscoll started showing symptoms including a cough and fever on Jan. 18, according to KVVU. Her family took her to a walk-in clinic on Monday, and she was given a nebulizer and steroids.
However, Kiera collapsed later that day. Her mother performed CPR while they waited for the ambulance.
The little girl’s health worsened after she was hospitalized and she passed away on Tuesday from influenza A, her family said.
Kiera’s family said the spirited kindergartner had received her flu shot and did not have any underlying illnesses.
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2091430.1422227357!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_970/flu26n-2-web.jpg?enlarged)
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eveheart, van: How do you know that vaccines prevent disease? I've looked for consistent evidence on that but haven't found it.
Polio rates were going down before the introduction of the polio vaccine, and the decline slowed down after the vaccine became mandatory.
We may not have a lot of polio today, but there are many other types of diseases that were uncommon or less common back in the day. Everything from cancer to diabetes to ADHD to poor eyesight. You see plenty of people today in their mid 20's who's hair has all turned gray or white or has fallen out or thinned out to the point of baldness (natural color hair dyes and wigs made from real human hair at record high sales). People in their late 20's and early 30's are losing teeth like it's childhood all over again. Most women 21 and older (when they don't have a ton of makeup covering it up) have sagging bags and/or dark colored bruising below their eyes. Allergies, autism, heart attacks, kidney and gallbladder stones, Alzheimer's, IBS, appendicitis, mega-obesity, athsma, infertility, impotence in young males (24 year olds taking viagra), lack of an ability to properly lubricate in females (22 year olds using artificial lubricants), athletes dropping dead during warmup... Could it be that it's vaccines that are a significant factor causing some of these epidemics?
I don't mean to say that vaccines cause everything bad, or that they are the sole or main cause of everything bad, but it's a fact that as vaccines have gotten more widespread, and as we vaccinate our babies, kids, teens and adults against more diseases and in more occasions, most types of disease and health problems have skyrocketed. There might be a causal connection here, at least for some of the health issues.
Long term, proper double blind studies to compare the pros and cons of vaccines have never been done. In most cases they haven't even been done to prove effectiveness against the particular disease that the vaccine supposedly prevents. The labs say it would be "unethical" to engage in such studies, because of the concept of herd immunity. So effectiveness is assumed from the get-go, and then -after probably a large bribe from the pharmaceutical companies- the politicians make it mandatory to take them (forced inoculations) and/or mandatory to pay for them (by making them free, which means you have to pay for them through taxes). This doesn't inspire my trust in vaccines.
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I base my logic on what "we" knew back then - that poliomyelitis was literally lurking in unknown places and could strike relentlessly. In today's world, we have seen this with "deadly" diseases such as AIDS and ebola. The mental climate demands that something be done. In the case of vaccines, this was what "we" felt was the best possible solution. Any decision made in that panicked atmosphere is going to be flawed, but does vaccination's imperfections make it wrong?
The wisdom of a few is never the wisdom of the whole group ("we"). Decisions trend towards the mainstream, so what you decry as an unwise treatment is simply a less wise treatment. Vaccinations and other pharma products get developed, tested, and approved by the mainstream, even though there are better choices.
GS's obituary roll call could be applied to each of the diseases for which "we" have developed vaccines. Utopia eludes us, and I prefer to get over my indignation and carry on.
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Eve,
Diseases will never be eradicated. They often just change the names and morph. You cannot prevent PPL from being sick and it has nothing to do with the microbes.
When I used the word eradicated, I intended to employ its epidemiological meaning.
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Younger people here need to understand older people like middle aged me and senior Eve.
I grew up without internet. Just so happened I'm a computer geek and I was there at the birth of the internet. In 2001 when my first child was born... I had absolutely no idea... never heard that there was a debate AGAINST vaccines.
The only time I was made aware was around 2004 when we were exploring Steiner Education / Waldorf School and there were books warning against vaccines... that in fact our neighbor, a teacher in that school was aware of how vaccinations were bad, and that the very school she is training to be a teacher did not promote vaccinations either.
Beginning there in 2004 my wife and I sought out information on various sides of the debate and researched per vaccine... one by one. We got books. We talked to other people. We listened to both sides and made our choice.
My parents... maybe the same age as Eve... had zero internet during that time they were having children.
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Even without internet, we had magazines like Prevention and radio/TV shows with people like Adele Davis, Jack LaLanne, Carlton Fredericks, and Gary Null. I grew up in a church that was against vaccination, so the choice was always there to file a religious exemption, which was done easily. The information is not new, only that the internet made it easier to find what you were looking for. I used to hang out at libraries, even large university libraries, to get the information now that I can get on PubMed.
My first internet search (c. 1988) was on the topic of binge eating disorder - the good research then came from the University of Toronto, which I visited from my computer in Los Angeles. This was when a modem looked like a cradle that held the handset of a landline phone at speeds up to 1200 kb/s. This was when you booted your computer from a floppy. This was before Yahoo! and other search engines, so we'd go to university portals all over the world and FTP their files, and you had to configure the file-transfer-protocol packet information by hand.
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so the choice was always there to file a religious exemption, which was done easily.
The choice part has gone. If I want to visit someone in an old folks home I have to be vaccinated. If I want to work in certain businesses or in healthcare I have to be vaccinated.
This is a totalitarian state. It has nothing to do with the majority wanting it, it has to do with certain PPL with political power forcing it onto the masses who tend to believe everything the government says is correct and go along like sheep.
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Nosophobia has a cure, just stop worrying and getting vaccinated.
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I wasn't blaming you for taking vaccines yourself or giving them to your children in the past. I was asking the reasons why you now continue to believe that vaccines prevent disease (even if you think there are better ways to prevent disease)
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...I was asking the reasons why you now continue to believe that vaccines prevent disease (even if you think there are better ways to prevent disease)
I don't understand the question. Of course vaccination does not "prevent" disease; it "works" when a dose of the disease triggers the development of acquired immunity. In other words, it "tricks" the body into mounting a defense for a specific pathogen. But maybe you didn't mean to say exactly that.
Are you implying that vaccination has been ineffective for its intended purpose, that it has no effect on the incidence of epidemiological outbreaks of diseases? I understand that the trade-off was getting a deliberate small dose that conferred immunity vs "catching" a full-blown case of that disease, and notice that I said trade-off: there are risks for each course.
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Eve,
There are now different points of views regarding the vaccine debate in the no-vaccine camp.
1) vaccines were ineffective to begin with... all the statistics were lies... the true cause of that particular disease was something else... the "theory" of vaccination is all false... all in the name of $$$.
2) vaccines were effective during THOSE OLD times... those diseases had been eradicated... no need for the vaccines now
3) the old single disease vaccines were better... the new combo vaccines are a disaster
4) you cannot trust the depopulationist imperialists TODAY with vaccines with all the over population hysteria... there are verified reports where the vaccines are LACED with infertility drugs, abortive drugs, poisons, metals that are not supposed to be in the original designs of the vaccines. Something like vaccines of yesterday good... vaccines today you cannot trust the new manufacturers.
There are verified reports some countries had to admit and stop their vaccination program because too many children were DYING due to the vaccine itself. There are verified reports like in the Philippines and India where the depopulationists sent vaccines to kill unborn children in pregnant women and or make the women infertile.
There are reports of brand new vaccines every few years only to turn out to be scams... like the various flu vaccines... the papilloma virus crap, etc.
5) There is an overload of too many vaccines... compare 2015 list and the 1970 list... it's all insane.
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There are now different points of views regarding the vaccine debate in the no-vaccine camp.
Exactly! IMO, the ones who prit-near deny that the diseases even existed drown out the voice of rational objections.
I can't see the conspiracies where others see them: vaccinations don't work perfectly because nothing works perfectly. Vaccinations will be improved, changed, discarded. Let's just get on with whatever improvements our imaginations can create, which is all that's going to happen anyway.
And who made medicine so political? "We" did, every time we insisted that "somebody" do something about the diseases brought on by our own nutritional deficiencies.
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Its difficult to know where to begin or end, regarding the subject. The lies of ommition, false narratives and preconceived notions run so deep that its difficult discuss the topic from a new perspective.
I think that instead of focusing on the old talking points narrowly defined by the media, we need to espouse the new scientific understanding of what the immune system is, what it does, and what it can do when it is functioning optimally. Let us drop knowledge bombs to obliterate the false modes of limited thinking and illuminate the new understanding of the true nature of the life sciences. For a long time the immune system has been viewed very narrowly by the pseudo science immunology, which focuses primarily on the role it plays in fending off invading microbes. Whats not really appreciated is that not only do our immune cells produce antibodies against invading microbes, but theses substances produced in response to other microbial toxins, have a mutagenic effect that alter genetic expression( on both the host and invader) These complex reactions between all life forms, which share this world,are way beyond the scope of our current scientific establishment to fully understand, let alone control .
The immune system is the diving force behind epigenetic changes that lead to evolutionary change. These integral relationships between the cells of our bodies and those of our microbial neighbors are constantly evolving. What may look like a disease causing virus may in fact be the means by which the biology of life reconciles environmental imbalances. When these processes are artificially suppressed or stimulated by means such as the injection of people with cross species genetically engineered viral DNA there is no way of knowing the totality of the effect. Sure you can have some scientific chart that shows that the prevalence of such and such diseases has dropped since the introduction of vaccination, but that in no way proves vaccination is responsible for a great improvement for the overall health of humanity. For all we know that 1 in 10,000 children vaccines saved from dying of measles, wont just get stricken with some other dread disease later in life. If vaccines were only to stimulate positive immune response then why are we seeing an epidemic rise in chronic immune dysfunction in vaccinated populations. We are now seeing epidemics of chronic viral infections such as SV40 ,Epstein Bar, and a plethora of unknown viral syndromes, that are not getting any attention by the establishment.
Because we are no longer letting these viral re alignments occur naturally it is possible that we are just kicking the accumulated environmental imbalances down the road for the next generation to inherit. My parents and grandparents had measles and survived just fine, it may have even made them stronger. This new generation of people that are not allowed to undergo extreme viral detoxes may become more and more genetically damaged and out of sync with the environment. This generation may not ever get the measles but they may be more likely to have deformed immune deficient children who simply fail to thrive!
Look to nature and you will see that there isn't a single organism on this planet that hasn't been altered by Viral DNA or other mutagenic substances produced by pathogenic organisms. Viruses are ubiquitous and a necessary part of life, that doesn't mean that we need to go out and vaccinate all the plants and animals as well!
There are many people who share these sentiments( even if they cannot agree upon all the details) We are alive and awake! We realize that the truth is not going to be equitably disseminated to every man woman and child via injection by our compassionate guardians at Merck! There must be an alternative to following the mainstreams "prudent" course of vaccinating the world.
The danger facing us who resist is that we are living in a more and more artificially warped environmental system, where billions of humans are being genetically modified through vaccinations and altered foods. We are moving toward a world where a more and more drastic {cradle to grave} medical intervention model is becoming necessary for basic survival. If trends continue it will be impossible for future generations to survive and evolve in tune with the natural world as our ancestors had done. This is not the kind of world I want my kids to grow up in, and I refuse to participate in its construction. For those who chose to opt out of the industrialization of our own personal biological beings, its becoming more and more impossible to not be effected by the process of unnatural selection. The entire ecosystem is becoming inundated with aberrant viral entities that may not working in harmony with the natural balance, and regardless of if you take the shots or eat the food, you will be exposed!
Though it is hopeful that there are simple precautions that can be taken to protect oneself. Like not loading up on shots and drugs, or eating modified foods.....or better yet lets work on finding ways to nourish and strengthen our own immune system to its full potential.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y3nlI5oock (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y3nlI5oock)
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http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/02/04/alex-jones-defends-listener-rand-paul-on-vaccin/202411 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/02/04/alex-jones-defends-listener-rand-paul-on-vaccin/202411)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvsXrVkjyz4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvsXrVkjyz4)
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http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/allvaccinescontaminated29nov11.shtml (http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/allvaccinescontaminated29nov11.shtml)
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Here is some stuff that is apropos to this thread, but also contained in the thread : http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/hot-topics/autism-explained/msg127850/#new (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/hot-topics/autism-explained/msg127850/#new)
Fifteen minutes of Dr. Andrew Wakefield, the guy that the British Doctor's Union blackballed and removed his license and somehow managed to hire PPL to lie about him in the media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYcxIrs4oyk#t=10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYcxIrs4oyk#t=10)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0QtTUuFIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0QtTUuFIc)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0QtTUuFIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra0QtTUuFIc)
http://oneradionetwork.com/newsflash/italian-court-rules-mmr-vaccine-did-trigger-autism-article/ (http://oneradionetwork.com/newsflash/italian-court-rules-mmr-vaccine-did-trigger-autism-article/)
http://oneradionetwork.com/health-articles/connecting-the-dots-gmos-and-vaccines-article/ (http://oneradionetwork.com/health-articles/connecting-the-dots-gmos-and-vaccines-article/)
http://oneradionetwork.com/women-children-vaccines-articles/3-vaccines-banned-never-administered-child/ (http://oneradionetwork.com/women-children-vaccines-articles/3-vaccines-banned-never-administered-child/)
http://oneradionetwork.com/newsflash/dr-andrew-wakefields-candid-remarks-about-the-mmr-vaccine-article/ (http://oneradionetwork.com/newsflash/dr-andrew-wakefields-candid-remarks-about-the-mmr-vaccine-article/)
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Its seems that the media is launching a full onslaught against anyone who has doubts about vaccines. The airwaves are full of airheaded bimbos who know nothing of subject, except what they are told, spewing forth a one sided viewpoint that completely ignores any evidence contrary to their talking points.
This is an all out frontal assault against anyone who believes that they have the right to refuse forced medication. Exactly why this issue is being hyped now, is a topic for debate, there are a few conspiracies, and the whole truth may take some time to ferret out.
Regardless of what the motives or intentions behind this are.... I say what's going on stinks to high hell. Perhaps the latest campaign is propaganda designed to set the subliminal stage for the population eventually giving the government the right to forcibly inoculate every man woman , child, and domestic animal at the whim of the Men behind the Curtain( These great wizards and warlocks that are called "scientist" by the "authorities") .
The mandatory insurance law has passed, and now "Government whores" in bed with "Big Pharma" have opened the floodgates of an unprecedented increase in the amount of drugs that are being prescribed to the American people, while at the same time doing nothing to correct the environmental conditions that have lead to an epic increase in degenerative disease. There is a medical dictatorship that has already taken control of the mainstream, and they are now coming after those who are still attempting to opt out of the madness( by coming for our children). If mandatory child vaccination laws are set in place, then there will follow more and more tyrannical laws, which would demand that parents forcibly medicate their children, with other drugs to treat whatever diagnosis the doctors conjure up, at the yearly mandated physical.
The talking (air)heads are pussyfooting around the issue, using their newspeak and pseudo scientific jargon to pull one over on the public without their true agenda entering into the discussion, but don't be fooled, when you hear someone say that in order to protect everyone's health "get your kids vaccinated", they are one step away from indorsing forced inoculation.
This fear mongering the public into accepting mandatory inoculation has happened before( during the swine flu scare of 76), and after the public learned of the fraud the idea of forced inoculations was rejected by an entire generation. The menace has returned and most people wont remember what happened over three decades ago, and now the mass media has been consolidated to the point where any evidence of the great fraud gets unilaterally deep-sixed, while the spin doctors can work on the manipulation of public opinion, with reckless abandon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8elE7Ct1jWw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8elE7Ct1jWw)
We must learn from the "lesions" of history or be doomed to suffer a "repeat infection".
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We must learn from the "lesions" of history or be doomed to suffer a "repeat infection".
Excellent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPOerVsvbtw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPOerVsvbtw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d40suCKnjbI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d40suCKnjbI)
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This is my favorite sentiment on the issue so far:
"Whether you're pro-vaccine, anti-vaccine, or fall somewhere in the middle, the questions you need to ask yourselves are as follows: Do you want to live in a world, where you cannot freely refuse a medical procedure that carries risk of injury or death?
I'm not questioning your comfort level with today's vaccine schedule, because today's vaccine schedule will change. New vaccines and additional doses are added all the time. Children today receive as many as 49 doses of 14 vaccines before they reach age six, which is roughly 12 times higher than the number of vaccines administered to children back in 1940.
With more than 220 new vaccines in the developmental pipeline for children and adults...and no end in sight..the question you must ask yourself is ARE YOU CERTAIN you will be 100% comfortable when 200 more vaccines are added to the mandated list in the future?
If you say that yes, you're comfortable, then you're either:
a) not expecting to be a parent or grandparent,
b) don't think about it much because your kids are grown and out of the house, or
c) lying to prove a point.
No critical thinker, no honest person, would ever sign off on the sight-unseen vaccine schedule of the future. And yet that's what you're doing when you condemn the people who are fighting for your right to refuse. YOU have the right to refuse, should you ever choose to use it, because the very "anti-vaccine" people you demonize have been fighting for us all.
Right now, the burden of "herd immunity" falls on small children, but that is changing. Vaccine manufacturers see an untapped market in adolescent and adult vaccine. They are coming for you next. What will you do if your state, your employer, or your insurance company forces you to get a vaccine that you simply don't want. It hasn't happened to you yet, but if the right to refuse is eroded, it will happen to you sooner than you might think. Who will you turn to? Your legislators who get campaign donations from pharmaceutical companies? The CDC that has former pharma executives sitting on the board? Who will you turn to if you ever want to say no?
What if it harms you, even kills you or your family member? There will be no recourse. No one to blame. You absorb all the medical bills. Deal with all the anger, all the guilt. Alone.
Once we enter the slippery slope of removing and individual's right to refuse medical procedures that carry a risk of injury or death, once we remove an individual's right to speak for him/herself and his/her children, we open ourselves up to an insidious new era, where other drugs and other procedures can be mandated.
I heard (on NPR, interestingly enough) that there are people who want to test for a gene marker that's been found in mass shooters in the hopes that they can put the carriers of that gene on medications in early childhood. Sounds great, right? But many of us carry genes that will never be expressed. You could be a carrier of that gene. Or your child could be a carrier.
So if we follow the "for the greater good" mentality behind vaccines (or the Nazi's "for the greater good" mentality behind eugenics - the breeding out illness. We are looking at forcing people who may never express a sociopathic gene to take antipsychotics, just in case.
Because that's what forced vaccination does. It asks children who may never come into contact with a particular virus to accept a vaccine, just in case. And that's what eugenics was all about. It sterilizes people who can pass on a genetic disease - just in case.
Forced vaccination is a human rights violation. To support it when you know that the government's own National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP) has paid nearly $3b to damaged persons. The government's Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) lists people who have died as a result of vaccines. Vaccination is unethical at best, sociopathic at worst.
What can we do?
1. The ethical thing to do is to allow people their right to refuse. Let doctors and big pharma - who has marketing budgets larger than the GDP of some countries - to do a better job of convincing parents that vaccines are safe, protective and harmless.
2. Reverse the law that grants vaccine manufacturers total immunity from vaccine injury lawsuits. You can't sue a vaccine manufacturer if your child is injured or killed by a vaccine, even in cases where a safer vaccine was available and not chosen.
Think about that. You can't sue the manufacturer. What other product has legal and government protection? The complete immunity from liability does more to shake a parents' confidence in vaccines than anything else. Be sure they know that with an adverse outcome from a vaccine, they are completely on their own."
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It's vaccines or plagues, one or the other. Don't give me any line of crap about a perfect diet being protective against all infectious diseases. Wild animal populations have epidemics regularly, on FAR more ideal diets (for their species) than any of us feed ourselves. Sure, a good diet HELPS, just like an ideal lifestyle/posture/etc. also help. So what? There are diseases that are going to have mortality rates in the 20-30% range no matter WHAT you do. Infants and the elderly will die at much greater rates. Is avoiding those rare adverse events from vaccines worth killing 30% of the human race over? Granted, war and poverty are reduced after major plagues, but that seems like an extreme method to me. :)
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What I learned about being a parent is:
- Having only 1 child, I was so afraid of many things... and that fear caused me to be herded into making those "bad" corporate decisions that the $$$ money masters wanted me to do.
- Having more children and having frustrations with experiences of illnesses of the first child... I was emboldened to explore new things and BET on the other children for a different outcome... hopefully better.
- Having even more children... like my mother in law who had 8, with 1 death... you learn to be cool... not be afraid.. even if disaster strikes... nature, TPTB, bad luck... hopefully can't kill all of your descendants.
I'm lucky enough to have bet on different children enough to see that vaccination does not work for my descendants... in fact vaccination harms them. But that is just my experience... and hopefully many more to bet on in the future whether it be children or grand children.
You can't "control" all the mothers of your children or your grand children... some of them will give vaccinations even if you tell them not to... but if you teach them enough they will look for the signs that something was wrong and hopefully discontinue this fakery.
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Vaccines existed before the profit motive distorted the truth in medicine. Your body doesn't know the difference between dead virus injections and live exposure. They both generally provide immunity. Not always, but that's a rare exception.
edwin, what do you think happened to polio? Fucking vaccines stopped it. The same for smallpox, etc.. This isn't like the cooked-food thing, there's goddamn mountains of evidence for the efficacy of vaccines. Plagues or vaccines, people. Choose wisely.
*sigh* why do I have to do all the hard thinking for everyone?
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... I was emboldened to explore new things and BET on the other children for a different outcome... hopefully better.
GS, you make it sound as if vaccination is for the good of your children. Vaccinations were and are developed globally, not individually. In order for them to work, they must be administered globally. I can't find fault with mankind's desire to eradicate disease. "We" (mankind) are using best strategy that we know of at the moment. Side-effects of vaccination are real, but not as catastrophic as the disease itself. You won't see people in disease-torn areas strutting around saying that they have so many children that they can afford to expose them to the decimation of epidemic disease.
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GS, you make it sound as if vaccination is for the good of your children.
Completely the opposite. I do not know why you came to that conclusion.
My first child got all of the vaccine schedules for his first 2 years of life.
Those are the vaccines of 2001 to 2003 in Manila.
He is the sickliest of all my children and I have apologized to him several times.
I have since given up on hospitals because they cannot deliver births properly, and they vaccinate children. I have taken matters into my own hands and now deliver my own babies and am the doctor of my own babies.
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Yes I understand what "they" wrote down as "history" of those diseases.
But as an engineer, whatever theory you got has to step up to actual experience.
As you can see by the children in my avatar some got vaccinated some did not... my experience tells me that vaccine alleged "science" does not work for my children, does not work for my genetics.
So I come to my own conclusion that the vaccines of the 21st century do not benefit and in fact harm my children.
Thus I come to conclude that any future children or grand children... I will adamantly choose with my 100% conviction to refuse vaccinations.
Because my engineering LOGIC and EXPERIENCE showed me their "science" about vaccination is FALSE.
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what do you think happened to polio? Fucking vaccines stopped it. The same for smallpox, etc..
And if all those people had their diets and lifestyles correct enough in the first place... perhaps just a few would've become severely sick, those few having not as efficient genetics regarding such illnesses or immune system. Just a few, because as you should be aware, with a diet that actually fits how our bodies are built to work and to need, you don't really ever get sick.
First their bodies are screwed up through false diets and lifestyles, then they get sick because of it, and then vaccines that have mild to lethal effects themselves are given to them? Plus there are far better and actually harmless "alternatives" that aren't even researched and developed... Sorry, but vaccines are total BS.
Keeping people uninformed and stupid regarding diet and lifestyle and the world in general, and thus chronically weak and sick, does not justify feeding them vaccines in return under the guise of keeping them "healthy". This is insane.
If they had instead corrected peoples diets and lifestyles, and actually given them what their bodies need, then vaccines would not have been the ones to stop those illnesses.
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CK has made a perfectly, valid, perfectly logical point, namely that wild animals get diseases all the time despite eating diets that are far superior to what most of us are able to get hold of. That pretty much kills off the notion of vaccines being utterly useless.Case closed, imo.
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CK has made a perfectly, valid, perfectly logical point, namely that wild animals get diseases all the time despite eating diets that are far superior to what most of us are able to get hold of. That pretty much kills off the notion of vaccines being utterly useless.Case closed, imo.
That is not a point at all. My due diligence and actual experience with multiple children showed me their sales talk is false. All the literature is false. Most probably the statistics were false too.
When you have your own biological children Tyler, I bet you will do your own due diligence research on the matter. I only did so after my 2nd child was born because I was having problems with my first child.
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Vaccines existed before the profit motive distorted the truth in medicine. Your body doesn't know the difference between dead virus injections and live exposure. They both generally provide immunity. Not always, but that's a rare exception.
edwin, what do you think happened to polio? Fucking vaccines stopped it. The same for smallpox, etc.. This isn't like the cooked-food thing, there's goddamn mountains of evidence for the efficacy of vaccines. Plagues or vaccines, people. Choose wisely.
*sigh* why do I have to do all the hard thinking for everyone?
Wrong. These vaccines were introduced to the general public when the diseases were already disappearing naturally. There are statistics that illustrates this very clearly, and show that people started being injected with the vaccines when the morbidity level of said disease were already close to zero. Don't remember for which particular diseases, but I have the (valid alternative) medical magazines somewhere so I can look for the info if you're interested.
Claiming vaccines got rid of these diseases is like claiming my lemon-grass incense stick is to praise for the absence of mosquitoes each winter.
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I concur with JeuneKoq.
what do you think happened to polio? Fucking vaccines stopped it. The same for smallpox, etc..
Additionally, the examples CK gave were eradicated diseases:
Smallpox - supposedly eradicated. this is not supposed to be in your vaccination schedule in 2015.
Polio - supposedly eradicated. should not be in your vaccination schedule in 2015... the only people who get polio the past few years are those given Polio vaccines...
(parents today should disregard the literature or evidence for small pox and polio because they do not count in 2015... they are no longer given. their alleged past success has NO BEARING on existing vaccines today.)
This is exactly why in my due diligence with vaccines, I studied the literature on a PER VACCINE basis.
Never make the mistake of SWEEPING conclusions.
It just so happened that after going through every vaccine in my children's schedule... I conclude a big fat NO on all of them.
And be careful of those COMBO vaccine stupidities... when you have the CHOICE of taking single shots... if you so still believe the vaccine sales talk.
And the total load, the total list of vaccines scheduled for 2015 vs 1980 ? Compare and see if you really want ALL of THAT on your kids... just imagine how must LARGER that list must be by 2030 or 2050.
Due diligence... you will do it for your kids.
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Completely the opposite. I do not know why you came to that conclusion.
My first child got all of the vaccine schedules for his first 2 years of life.
Those are the vaccines of 2001 to 2003 in Manila.
He is the sickliest of all my children and I have apologized to him several times.
I have since given up on hospitals because they cannot deliver births properly, and they vaccinate children. I have taken matters into my own hands and now deliver my own babies and am the doctor of my own babies.
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Yes I understand what "they" wrote down as "history" of those diseases.
But as an engineer, whatever theory you got has to step up to actual experience.
As you can see by the children in my avatar some got vaccinated some did not... my experience tells me that vaccine alleged "science" does not work for my children, does not work for my genetics.
So I come to my own conclusion that the vaccines of the 21st century do not benefit and in fact harm my children.
Thus I come to conclude that any future children or grand children... I will adamantly choose with my 100% conviction to refuse vaccinations.
Because my engineering LOGIC and EXPERIENCE showed me their "science" about vaccination is FALSE.
Of course I don't know the details,,, but children often are as healthy as their parents, especially at the time of conception and birth. Look back when you're first child was born at the diet/health of you And your wife. There might be a clue there for you that you might have over looked.
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I think it's funny some of you are so sentimental about human life. Culling the herd is a good thing. I don't care if your poison is not building up your own health and immunity, gettin vaccinated AND pumped full of toxic metals, living in an unsustainable, unhealthy environment like packed urban cities, working around those who dont care for ther own health such as in office buildings, schools, hospitals, gain an unhealthy lifestyle, etc...just respect my ability to self govern and choose a healthy lifestyle that insures strong immunity as well as limited contact with people who don't give a shit about healh and want someone else to do it for them. I feel like the only thing vaccines have done is weaken viruses, people only die from these because they are sick and live in a sick world to begin with. It's just a bunch of fear mongering to split up the populis and take the pressure and attention off the government.
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CK and TD, come on..... Did you guys watch the 60 minuets expose on the swine flu hoax. Did you check out that goober who was the head of the CDC( who after leading the fraud had moved on to private industry) Would you trust someone like him to inject every man woman and child in the world with anything?
Do you realize that the only confirmed cases came from an army base(where all the solders routinely receive experimental vaccinations?
Most do not realize that the original Spanish flu outbreak occurred in populations that were receiving mass vaccinations of experimental concoctions during world war one. Soldiers received up to 17 shots of vaccines cultured in rotten cow organs, under the most primitive conditions. Many solders who were damaged and contracted strange types of neurological disease, were just falsely diagnoses with shell shock. After the war was over the left over vaccines from the war were given to millions of civilians right at the same time of the outbreak. There were doctors who noticed that the majority of people who died were the ones who received the vaccinations, but their work was suppressed and ignored. It was an instance of mass genocide that has been completely erased from the history books. http://whale.to/vaccine/sf1.html (http://whale.to/vaccine/sf1.html)
Did anyone catch the part where the vaccine that was tested for approval was not the same vaccine given to the public?( care to comment) This is a very important part of the issue, because vaccine producers often change the formula without ever testing it, they also will have different formulations, in which the wealthy are giving the single does shot( the clean vaccine) While the poor get the gun witch has a completely different concoction full of chemical preservatives. Even if you believe vaccine technology is effective and inoculations are prudent, you still must at least take issue with the fact that they secretly alter the formulas after approval, so that the vaccines many receive have absolutely no testing whatsoever! Then there are vaccines which after a few years on the market are secretly recalled because of serious adverse effects( like the chicken pox vaccine that gave my cousin a seizer disorder) and most of the damage is denied outright and swept under the rug.
I believe CK and TD are overstating the benefits of vaccination, as well as inflating the risk of no vaccination, while at the same time ignoring the roll naturally occurring disease has in maintaining balances in nature. Even if a pandemic is prevented by mass inoculation, the underlying conditions which do not get addressed" WILL" manifest in some other way down the road. So instead of having an occasional plague of some sort( were the weak are culled), we end up with a chronically ill population, where one in three will die of some kind of cancer or some other degenerate disease that simply did not exist in previous history. This leads to the world of cradle to grave medical intervention which becomes more and more necessary in order to maintain a population of weaklings that are so decoupled from nature they would never be able to live in tune with the earth as our ancestors once had.
This point is controversial, but I feel it is one that must be made, if we are going to have an honest discussion.
Once becoming decoupled from the natural corrective processes that are artificially suppressed, those who in the past would not be fit to survive are enabled to reproduce, we are now seeing the beginning stages of chronic genetic degenerative conditions that are becoming epidemic in the post vaccinated world! New epidemics are arising of strange viral syndromes like sv40, Epstein Barr, and other unnamed viral epidemics which cannot be vaccinated for. Some think that these early childhood viral episodes prime our immune systems and strengthen our defenses in ways that vaccination with arbitrarily selected viral antigens cannot.
Its all about choices, and what kind of world you would chose to live in. I personally if given the choice will take my chances with the Plagues of nature, rather than submit my freedoms to the sorcery of science.
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I do not buy SB's notion that various wild animal species affected by plagues are somehow "deficient". These beings are affected by survival of the fittest so are the best they can be.
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Do animals have the convenience of getting everything and anything they need at any given moment? I know we do... But animals need to hunt and search, or starve (I don't remember herbivores been talked about being ill nearly as much as omnivores or carnivores; makes sense... grass doesn't run). If they don't get what they need quick enough then they will not be at their best strength against illnesses. The same with humans; poor nutrition of general population - low immune system = high susceptibility to illnesses.
It's about the difference between the immune system and the illness. Which one is how strong in relation to each other...
How about instead of injecting a person full of harmful viral material (assuming there weren't extra toxins like mercury, etc.), instead not do that but boost the immune system? How about instead making the immune system so strong the illness cannot win, cannot even find a hold? Why ignore the immune system's potential strength and instead inject a person full of harmful and pointless viral material? Seriously... if someone gets sick, it's not because that person has not been previously injected with viral material... The exact same thing as is with drugs and pills for heart problems or mental problems, etc. - people don't have those issues because they had never taken those poisons before. Vaccines are the same.
We don't need vaccines, never have needed them...
If someone still would get ill, then there are so many ways to get healed without injecting poisons into oneself.
Also considering how long our species has been around... If vaccines were so damn important, we wouldn't even exist today...
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Of course I don't know the details,,, but children often are as healthy as their parents, especially at the time of conception and birth. Look back when you're first child was born at the diet/health of you And your wife. There might be a clue there for you that you might have over looked.
Exactly and that is why the research of PPL like Andrew Wakefield is necessary to find out these details.
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I do not buy SB's notion that various wild animal species affected by plagues are somehow "deficient". These beings are affected by survival of the fittest so are the best they can be.
My point exactly.
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Some diseases appear and become viral when the population of a certain specie in a given area is too great and pose a threat to the ecosystem's balance and well-being.
http://www.ehow.com/info_8249633_effects-animal-overpopulation.html (http://www.ehow.com/info_8249633_effects-animal-overpopulation.html)
"As Mother Nature makes a desperate attempt to restore balance, diseases related to overpopulation of animals are imminent."
An example:
http://dnr.maryland.gov/wildlife/hunt_trap/deer/disease/cwdinformation.asp (http://dnr.maryland.gov/wildlife/hunt_trap/deer/disease/cwdinformation.asp)
"CWD may be transmitted more readily within overpopulated herds and at deer or elk feeding stations where direct physical contact among individuals is more likely."
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why are 'we' remembering the polynesians or the american indians who died by the thousands when infected by explorers/settlers? I suspect some will say that if they were exclusively eating raw then they wouldn't have succumbed... The point is new viruses/bacteria are bound to be mutating, just as they were 'new' for the earlier peoples mentioned.
Why not simply use dead vaccination material with non poisonous carriers? I don't see why other's aren't asking for that. I do with my dogs when vaccinated.
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I do not buy SB's notion that various wild animal species affected by plagues are somehow "deficient". These beings are affected by survival of the fittest so are the best they can be.
Please allow me to elaborate a little further, so I am not misunderstood, I am not suggesting that all disease (naturally occurring or man made) stem directly from nutritional imbalances, though I insist that such factors play an important role in disease pathology. There are indeed a multitude of other factors which lead to what has been referred to as plagues ( non of these factors in my opinion being due to the lack of vaccines)
Nothing occurs in isolation, and an aberrant strain of pathogenic organisms cannot and will not gain a foothold in order to launch all out genocide upon a species unless there are the right environmental conditions. The totality of biological environmental factors can never be( at least not yet) fully taken into account by our limited understanding of the nature of life from a holistic perspective.
Pandemics in the past have been blamed on microbial infection alone, and other very important contributing factors have been completely ignored. During the black death, there was a mini ice age, and many of the crops were infected with poisonous molds, while many of the people lived in abject squalor. Yes many died a horrible death, but we should not forget that many survived, and there were some parts of Europe where people still lived indigenously that didn't suffer at all. There is also a lot of evidence that suggest during times of plague those who survive gain genetic adaptions which pass on immunity to subsequent generations. ( this could explain why many with people with bloodlines from plague survivors are completely immune to diseases like AIDs.)
Though it is correct that epidemics and blights have wiped out large numbers of creature from all animal kingdoms, the issue does not stem from a lack of artificial immune stimulation, through vaccination. There are and have always been subtle and constant variations within the micro and macro biomes of earth. From time to time there are naturally occurring shifts in the balance, something may happen that causes a change in the microbial ecology( some new mold, fungus , or bacteria emerges and being opportunistic and pernicious, may take advantage of a slight change, which may be imperceptible to our scientific understanding, yet this slight environmental change is enough to upset the balance of entire ecosystems, and often times through no fault in genetic design there are certain species that get broad sided, by something they have never encountered before and there is a die off. Though usually this will not lead to extinction, and the survivors will become perfectly readapted to the new environment and their offspring will once again thrive, within harmony and balance with the organisms that nearly killed their grandparents.
These kinds of naturally occurring die offs, and viral purging of entire species, have occurred through the course of evolution, I insist that it is a necessary part of life, and by directly attempting to suppress the realignment process without fully understanding all the interconnections, we are making grave mistakes. By using vaccinations and drugs to suppress the proses of evolution and adaption(which are often horrid, crawl and painful from a human perspective) We are only kicking the can down to the next generation, and if we continue on this path, then there will come a time when the human race will not be able to survive without cradle to grave medical scientific intervention.
The choice is up to us. We can learn to realign with nature, and accept the inevitability outbreaks of viral realignments, and learn ways to best cope with the painful possess of evolution that wont be of determent to future generations. By doing so we can take our attention away from the dead end of germ theory, and develop modes and methods by which to optimize our capacity for peak immunity which will allow us to harmonize with life on earth as it is, with all the creatures and microbes as they are, without feeling compelled to dominate and mutilate the structure of nature to please our apish whims. By letting nature lead the way and using our powers of understanding and intuition we could much better learn the lessons that mother earth has to teach us. Let us not be lead so far away from Gaias womb, by the delusions of the modern humans who believe that we no longer need to be suckled in her bosom, inoculated by her maternal antibodies, which have sustained us through the eons.
We must learn to recognize these affronts, and refuse to go along with people who pose as humanities saviors, full of pretension and arrogance, that insist indefatigable that science alone will provide the formula that will meet all our needs, and that all we must do, as the uneducated public, is to allow the lab coats to continue on with their experimentations unquestioningly.
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Fuck natural die-offs. The bubonic plague was a natural die-off. You want to bring that back? ROFL
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Some diseases appear and become viral when the population of a certain specie in a given area is too great and pose a threat to the ecosystem's balance and well-being.
http://www.ehow.com/info_8249633_effects-animal-overpopulation.html (http://www.ehow.com/info_8249633_effects-animal-overpopulation.html)
"As Mother Nature makes a desperate attempt to restore balance, diseases related to overpopulation of animals are imminent."
An example:
http://dnr.maryland.gov/wildlife/hunt_trap/deer/disease/cwdinformation.asp (http://dnr.maryland.gov/wildlife/hunt_trap/deer/disease/cwdinformation.asp)
"CWD may be transmitted more readily within overpopulated herds and at deer or elk feeding stations where direct physical contact among individuals is more likely."
in those cases the epidemic is spread by direct contact, which is more likely with a larger population. So what? I'm not getting your point.
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Let's put some order in this thread.
Everyone is shooting off in several directions about history and other broad discussions of what vaccines are, even animals.
So my proposal is you guys and gals stick to this SPECIFIC HUMAN US CDC guideline...
... since it seems most of these vaccines are pushed by the US Govt empire anyway.
So as your reference, CLICK HERE http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/ (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/)
For Health Care Professionals
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Schedules and Tools
Schedules to order or print, recommendations to consult, and tools to download.
Birth-18 Years and Catch-up Versions Find printable versions in various formats: regular paper, pocket size, MMWR, and laminated; load on your smartphone; check the binational resource...
Adult Version Find printable formats in various sizes or load the schedule on your smartphone...
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For Everyone
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Easy-to-read Schedules for All Ages
Easy-to-read formats to print, tools to download, and ways to prepare for your office visit.
Infants and Children (birth through 6 years old) Find easy-to-read formats to print, create an instant schedule for your child, determine missed or skipped vaccines, and prepare for your office visit...
Preteens & Teens (7 through 18 years old) Print this friendly schedule, take a quick quiz, or fill out the screening form before your child's doctor visit...
Adults (19 years and older) Print the easy-to-read adult schedule, take the quiz, or download a tool to determine vaccines needed...
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Try discussing each vaccine one by one.
Don't tell me you vaccinate your children based on blind trust to your MD.
Even farmers choose only the vaccines they think they need. Remember that your children aren't farm animals meant for slaughter at a young age.
So as your reference, CLICK HERE http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/ (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/)
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So my proposal is you guys and gals stick to this SPECIFIC HUMAN US CDC guideline...
... since it seems most of these vaccines are pushed by the US Govt empire anyway.
GS, what do you mean by pushed by the US Govt? I'm in the US, and nothing has been pushed at me.
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Fuck natural die-offs. The bubonic plague was a natural die-off. You want to bring that back? ROFL
CK,
Might I draw your attention to the welcoming thread: http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/welcoming-commitee/welcome-new-members (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/welcoming-commitee/welcome-new-members)!-please-read/
where it asks that PPL refrain from fowl (foul) language:
"It is understandable that heated exchanges can occur. But please keep any fowl language or other pointed remarks at the ideas themselves and not the individuals who make them. Continual disregard of these basic common guidelines will result in warnings and possible removal from the group."
You raise an interesting point in response to ST.
Fact is that Broda Barnes wrote a book http://www.brodabarnes.org/ (http://www.brodabarnes.org/) "Hypothyroidism: The Unexpected Illness" back in 1976.
He explained that hypothyroidism (HT) was at that time probably at about 40% of the population and he anticipated that it would be in the 80% range by the turn of the century (2000) because mothers are usually the carrier and they pass it on so each subsequent generation are so inflicted.
In the past HT was kept in check because if you are HT you will die at birth or not long afterwards. It causes your internal temperature system to malfunction generally causing a decrease in body temperature which can range up to 4 degrees or more from normal. Almost always less or cooler.
Your body uses heat for a number of purposes. Fevers are the body's way of killing parasites. Cool temperature in the blood vessels will cause fats so adhere to the walls. Obviously heat is necessary for chemical reactions and flowing of liquids etc.
So a child born with a defective temperature gauge basically dies of infections. That is the reason for the uptick in lifespans since the early to mid 1900s. We have found that increased standards of living with more food, better housing, sanitation, etc as well as medical things like antibiotics have allowed us to make it through the childhood period unscathed or at least less scathed.
However the downside as Broda Barnes explained in that book as well as another of his books "Solved: The Riddle of Heart Attacks" is that heart disease will be the next epidemic, just like HT. His prediction has borne out.
After reading a number of books on HT by Stephen Langer and Mark Starr etc, the symptoms of HT are easy to spot. I see them in just about everybody of my generation as well as a lot of young PPL.
These PPL have all of these symptoms which can be somewhat treated with desiccated thyroid and or synthetic hormones like Synthroid and iodine and seaweed etc.
Health is not a simple one and one is two. We are currently setting up a situation where the whole population is becoming fragile.
It is not likely that we will give up interventions to affect our health. Problem is when someone tells me I gotta do what they want me to.
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GS, what do you mean by pushed by the US Govt? I'm in the US, and nothing has been pushed at me.
If you work in a hospital or old folks home or certain businesses you are obligated to get vaccinated.
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If you work in a hospital or old folks home or certain businesses you are obligated to get vaccinated.
Does the government obligate one to get vaccinated? It's a whole different issue in the private sector, for example, in my field of work, I am required to give annual certification that I am free of active TB. I have been offered free flu vaccinations, but I have never been asked to provide any vaccination information.
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I do not buy SB's notion that various wild animal species affected by plagues are somehow "deficient". These beings are affected by survival of the fittest so are the best they can be.
Eugenics for humans maybe.... might be the way to go?
It's a slippery slope, but hunose. There is a whole section in the War museum in Ottawa Canada dealing with it and it is quite mind-blowing to read about the PPL who were for it.
Years ago in the beginning of my career I used to do air ambulance. Sometimes we would fly preemies or premature babies. It was like a contest or an ego trip for Doctors to see how ridiculously premature they could keep a baby alive. The poor kid might be a vegetable, but that wasn't important. The child would not be anywhere near their mothers for a very long time.
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Does the government obligate one to get vaccinated? It's a whole different issue in the private sector, for example, in my field of work, I am required to give annual certification that I am free of active TB. I have been offered free flu vaccinations, but I have never been asked to provide any vaccination information.
Yes it is required or in some places or you have to wear a mask which is a joke.
To visit a sick child in the hospital I had to smear that crap (hand sanitizer) on my hands. Here is the explanation of why it is useless. Actually it's worse than useless because you are led to think it is useful.
http://vitalitycapsules.com/radio-show-hand-sanitizers (http://vitalitycapsules.com/radio-show-hand-sanitizers)
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Yes it is required or in some places or you have to wear a mask which is a joke.
And exactly which government made this requirement? In my mind, there's a big difference between a government mandate and a private requirement.
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And exactly which government made this requirement? In my mind, there's a big difference between a government mandate and a private requirement.
A relative who is an MD told me about a co-worker who is required to wear a face mask. In Canada hospitals are all gov't.
She had to wear the mask because she gets a serious reactions to vaccines. Also bear in mind this is for a vaccine that was dissed in the middle of November, like it is every year, because the vaccine is useless.
OOps folks, got the wrong one (again) but hurry down to Walmart to get your vaccine because supplies are running low.
Dr Jennifer Daniels explains that scam here: http://vitalitycapsules.com/radio-show-flu-and-flu-shots (http://vitalitycapsules.com/radio-show-flu-and-flu-shots)
Here is the annual release http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/04/flu-vaccine-wrong-strain-cdc-warns (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/04/flu-vaccine-wrong-strain-cdc-warns)
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http://vaccines.procon.org/ (http://vaccines.procon.org/)
...all 50 states require certain vaccinations for children entering public schools.
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Let's get back to discussing the real issue... vaccine 1 by 1.
For example MMR.
Should you give this combo MMR vaccine to your child?
Does your public school require it?
Does your "health center" require it?
Can you get individual shots?
Have you investigated each disease?
Measles?
Mumps?
Rubella?
Are you scared shit out of any of those 3 diseases?
Did you ask your parents and grandparents if they were scared shit about those diseases?
(My mom said... measles... that's nothing, my mom said... mumps? Where's the party? We need to give you mumps!)
What brand of vaccines are you to choose from?
Do you have a choice?
Or does the doctor hide the package from you? (our old Pedia used to do that!)
Have you read any of the package inserts before you even gave the vaccine to your kids?
Have you investigated BOTH sides of the debate on this disease? Vaccine?
Are there are any current or past Class Action Suits regarding these things?
Do you trust the company that makes that vaccine? Track record?
Have you had any feedback from around the world from several different countries?
Are these required in those countries?
What kind of side effects are to be expected?
Have you weighed the pros and cons enough to decide which way to go just on this vaccine?
Do you know families who had these vaccines?
Do you know families who did not get these vaccines?
How did their children turn out? As teenagers? As adults?
Just some guide questions for you budding parents. This is your kid. You want to know everything you can.
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http://vaccines.procon.org/ (http://vaccines.procon.org/)
...all 50 states require certain vaccinations for children entering public schools.
Let's read that quote in context: All 50 states require vaccinations for children entering public schools even though no mandatory federal vaccination laws exist. All 50 states issue medical exemptions, 48 states (excluding Mississippi and West Virginia) permit religious exemptions,and 19 states allow an exemption for philosophical reasons.
The part that says "no mandatory federal vaccination laws exist" means that the US does not require vaccination.
The part that says "All 50 states issue medical exemptions, 48 states (excluding Mississippi and West Virginia) permit religious exemptions,and 19 states allow an exemption for philosophical reasons" means that parents can sign a vaccination waiver. I was raised in a church where everybody got those waivers. It was no big deal. Same thing happens in lots of churches And everywhere else - they don't ask "Oh yeah, which church?" - parents sign what they need to sign and that's that.
The part that is not written is that, since we have a private medical system, nobody can actually track whether a child has been vaccinated. There are no uniform "vaccination ID cards" in the US, so you can pretty much write down what you want when you enroll your child in school. You have heard of outbreaks in the US due to unvaccinated children, such as the recent measles outbreak at Disneyland. If vaccination were mandatory in the US, as you claim, from where did these unvaccinated children materialize?
My cousin was never the same after he had childhood measles in the 1950s. He required thousands of dollars of medical treatment and hospitalization each year, and he died of common complications of childhood measles at the age of 27.
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You americans figure out your semantics with your state or federal definitions.
My real concern... please. is Specifics 1 on 1 . Please do your due diligence.
Let's begin with MMR.
Let's get back to discussing the real issue... vaccine 1 by 1.
For example MMR.
Should you give this combo MMR vaccine to your child?
Does your public school require it?
Does your "health center" require it?
Can you get individual shots?
Have you investigated each disease?
Measles?
Mumps?
Rubella?
Are you scared shit out of any of those 3 diseases?
Did you ask your parents and grandparents if they were scared shit about those diseases?
(My mom said... measles... that's nothing, my mom said... mumps? Where's the party? We need to give you mumps!)
What brand of vaccines are you to choose from?
Do you have a choice?
Or does the doctor hide the package from you? (our old Pedia used to do that!)
Have you read any of the package inserts before you even gave the vaccine to your kids?
Have you investigated BOTH sides of the debate on this disease? Vaccine?
Are there are any current or past Class Action Suits regarding these things?
Do you trust the company that makes that vaccine? Track record?
Have you had any feedback from around the world from several different countries?
Are these required in those countries?
What kind of side effects are to be expected?
Have you weighed the pros and cons enough to decide which way to go just on this vaccine?
Do you know families who had these vaccines?
Do you know families who did not get these vaccines?
How did their children turn out? As teenagers? As adults?
Just some guide questions for you budding parents. This is your kid. You want to know everything you can.
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With your cousin suffering from measles complications...
... do we assume the measles vaccine in 1950 would have prevented it?
... which measles vaccine was given credit for bringing down measles incidences? what brand? what edition?
... is that supposedly effective measles vaccine still available for sale today? what is it? Where can we buy it?
Why is this MMR the only thing on the CDC recommendation? What makes them think a combo is better than the original allegedly successful measles vaccine. Why should i assume the effectivity is the same?
How have manufacturing techniques changed from 1970 to 2015?
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Eugenics for humans maybe.... might be the way to go?
It's a slippery slope, but hunose. There is a whole section in the War museum in Ottawa Canada dealing with it and it is quite mind-blowing to read about the PPL who were for it.
Years ago in the beginning of my career I used to do air ambulance. Sometimes we would fly preemies or premature babies. It was like a contest or an ego trip for Doctors to see how ridiculously premature they could keep a baby alive. The poor kid might be a vegetable, but that wasn't important. The child would not be anywhere near their mothers for a very long time.
State-sponsored eugenics is a bad idea, overall. The tendency of any government is to constantly bring in new laws and it would be in the State's interests to only have children which were genetically inclined to obey the State's laws. Libertarian eugenics, on the other hand, means that genetic improvement is relatively random, and favours the individual.
Your mention of preemies is apt. My point re eugenics is not just that going back to our caveman past in a genetic sense might be a good idea. It is that as our technology advances, we will make it more and more possible for people with only slight physical and mental defects to breed who would not have been able to do so before. In the short-term, this is not such an issue. But, in the long-term, our descendants in the far future might well, as a result, all end up with myopia at birth, for example, along with multiple more serious conditions that modern science might easily be able to alleviate to a large extent, but not completely.
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Let's read that quote in context:
The part that says "no mandatory federal vaccination laws exist" means that the US does not require vaccination.
Lets put that in the context of the real world.....
A woman has just gone through a exhausting experience lasting potentially many hours maybe involving surgery when suddenly someone takes the baby away and possibly asks for a signature.... maybe not. Some hospitals just say "sorry it's hospital policy" and then they haul the hapless kid off to be vaccinated for a disease that can only be transmitted through blood or sexual means. Hep B. This could be easily determined with the mother beforehand with a simple blood test without disturbing the child.
So that is what is called consent?
What about the Nuremberg trials where it was internationally decided that to be involved in medical events/trials required 'informed consent' on the part of the participant?
Informed consent means that you are advised of the possible upsides and downsides/reactions etc prior to participation.
How many times have you had your medical Miranda warnings read out to you? Maybe give some examples, not necessarily everything they told you, but just a precis would be fine...
You and everyone else have been physically assaulted and don't even know it. We could collectively sue these crooks into obscurity.
A Doctor cannot just stick her/his hand into you or a needle into you without consent. That is called assault. It is a violation of internationally agreed human rights. You cannot be even given an enama in Canada without signed consent and a trained accredited person doing it.
However these crooks are systematically trying to get around that by making it mandatory and they are very close to achieving it. That is what the big BS campaign in the media is all about. These are simply shills, who knowingly or unknowingly have been hired by big pharma to create propaganda.
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If you listen to the facts on the mumps vaccine you see what Big Pharma is up to. A mumps vaccine is practically a death sentence possibly resulting in sterility owing to the fact that vaccines only confer a short period of immunity unlike real illness which confers a lifetime and then it can be passed down through the mother.
If you have the mumps which as a child is a very simple 'no big deal illness', you are now immune for life and potentially it will be passed to the next generation. But if vaccinated, the immunity only lasts a few years and then you have to be revaccinated but that vaccination does not last at all and subsequent re-vaccination is pointless.
It's a big profit potential for big pharma because of the repeat business. Problem is that mumps in adulthood is very serious and results in sterility of males.
The way that Big Pharma slid this vaccine in through the government is an absolute atrocity, worthy of criminal prosecution, because what I described is well known by these crooks as well as lots of other slippery slope schemes.
Medicine is a business, like it or lump it. These PPL are like everyone else in business. Not every Doctor schemes this stuff up. It is the backroom boys further up the food chain that do the scheming.
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State-sponsored eugenics is a bad idea, overall. The tendency of any government is to constantly bring in new laws and it would be in the State's interests to only have children which were genetically inclined to obey the State's laws. Libertarian eugenics, on the other hand, means that genetic improvement is relatively random, and favours the individual.
Your mention of preemies is apt. My point re eugenics is not just that going back to our caveman past in a genetic sense might be a good idea. It is that as our technology advances, we will make it more and more possible for people with only slight physical and mental defects to breed who would not have been able to do so before. In the short-term, this is not such an issue. But, in the long-term, our descendants in the far future might well, as a result, all end up with myopia at birth, for example, along with multiple more serious conditions that modern science might easily be able to alleviate to a large extent, but not completely.
TD,
I hear you and that would be as I and you suggested, a slippery slope, but the devil is in the details...
Where do you draw the line? Who decides where and when the decision to cut the proverbial cord, to decide who will stay alive and so forth? These questions are questions of ethics and finances.
I heard a prediction back in the 1990's by one famous psychic that one of the great dilemmas in the new century would be deciding where to cut the cord. Whether you like psychics or not, is irrelevant because that dilemma is upon us now.
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Right now you can check into a facility with unbelievable crap running through your veins from years of Rotten Ronny food, have a three week treatment (or more depending on how bad you are 'full of crap') and emerge a 'born again garbage eater.'
Basically a basket case with terminal heart disease, AIDS etc, have a series of treatments with ozone etc and come out, not quite shiny and new but not that far off. Obviously at some point you have inflicted too much systemic damage or the sins of your father/mother have visited you.
This is not science fiction. A friend of mine has treated PPL with a device that took a person with a gangrenous damage from cold exposure and brought them back to perfect condition, out running again after a few weeks. This device is FDA approved BTW, but I am not sure if all of his tricks are so 'blessed'.
I and my wife had arthritis (mild) and completely eliminated it.
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If you work in a hospital or old folks home or certain businesses you are obligated to get vaccinated.
My Girlfriend was a massage therapist who worked on cancer patients in a hospital, and she ended up quitting after mandatory vaccination for hep b went into effect.
Fuck natural die-offs. The bubonic plague was a natural die-off. You want to bring that back? ROFL
Who would of thought there would be such a disagreement in the raw paleo world regarding vaccines? I think its baffling that people who claim to believe that cooked toxins in food are so horrible, while at the same time supporting the injection of cooked genetically engendered bio toxins into small children( the cognitive dissonance is astounding)
There are people on this forum who are hard core in their distrust of many things in modern life that are taken for "Manna".
For crying out loud, you are debating the safety of vaccines with someone who believes that synthetic vitamins are potentially harmful, that the anti bacterial agents in soaps poison us, that the fluoride in the water is put there to retard and pacify the population, HIV was man made, and 911 was an inside job. Many of the same scientist who are telling us to get vaccinated also suggest that we should be eating a pound of whole grains each day, so how can we trust in the authorities when it comes to vaccination when they are wrong about so many other areas regarding what makes for optimal human health. There is just so much that we do not know to be absolute certain either way, I am doing my best to figure it out and put forth points of view that are not being included within the narrow parameters of the mainstreams so called discussion
Many of my questions regarding the trans generational blowback effects of mass vaccination remain to be unanswered by the pro vaccination camp, nor will they acknowledge the proven vaccine frauds that I have mentioned in previous post. I feel like my main concerns and objections are being ignored. There are many questions being raised that the pro vaccine camp refuses to answer. There are a few here, that seems to understand what I am attempting to communicate, but it seems that others are not objectively considering the counterpoints being raised.
As far as I can tell there is no sufficient evidence that will prove one way or another, the totality of the effect of mass vaccination, and the systematically study of the trans generational effects of genetic engineering of the human immune system, which may shine some light on the subject, is not being done, and any evidence that even remotely ties vaccines to harm are being spun by the powers that be. The data released to the public is insufficient for people to make a truly well informed decision, and there is a huge discrepancy between the aggregation of Pharmaceutical company funded medical research data, which is peer reviewed by the sorcerers, up in the ivory towers of the establishment and the Raw Truth of those who live in the real world, and are forced to reap the whirlwind that has been sewn for us. The life of a man in the trenches perspective is much different, than those who claim authority from among high. Who is right and who is wrong is often a value judgment, that is subjective and depends greatly upon ones perspective and perceptions.
It is my view that our perspectives and perceptions are askew, so the data parameters that are sought out, by the pro vaccine medical science establishment ,to prove preconceived hypotheses regarding the pseudoscience of immunology, may be inherently incorrect. I do not trust any of the numbers or studies that suggest that vaccines have somehow cured the world of dread disease( disease is not dispelled by magic concoctions, it merely changes form) Though only those with the right eyes to see will be able to recognize the slight of hand trick that is being perpetrated. The Data which is touted as evidence is cooked, and the raw truth is burned at the stake for heresy!
Let us take into account how exactly the measure of vaccine success is measured, there is a claim that since small pox has been eradicated, vaccines are unanimously considered successful, and whatever risk they pose is outweighed by the benefit of having a small pox free world... but then you talk to people like my uncle who had the small pox vaccine in the military, and years later his doctor told him that it could have been responsible for his development of a Parkinson's tremor, as well as leaving him prone to debilitating shingles outbreaks. The true scope of the side effects are lost. The chronic health problems in those who have received mass inoculation, are very difficult to pin point a single cause, but to compltly deny the potential of vaccines to do harm, and may contribute to iatrogenic illness, is arrogant.
There may not be a person in my family born to my generation who hasn't had an adverse reaction.... my cousin who developed a seizure disorder two weeks after a chicken pox shot, my brother who developed ITP(a serious auto immune disorder) days after the MMR, my uncle Scott who was permanently damaged by the diphtheria vaccine, or my sister who lost her hair and developed behavior disorders around the time of her two year shots. My own records show that I had gotten pneumonia two weeks after my second MMR shot, I suffered with asthma and allergy's and a number of other immune dysfunctions through my childhood. Yet none of the instances,(even that of my brother who almost died) were ever reported.
This huge discrepancy and willful ignorance of the reality is what really going on, and no one on the pro vaccine side in the debate seems acknowledge those who have been harmed. The cognitive dissonance is thick! I am also a bit peeved at those, who don't have" cubs in the Malay", spouting off about how they support vaccination. The flesh of my flesh and blood of my blood are going to have to deal with the consequences if mandatory vaccine laws are in place. Those without offspring can hyperbolically manifest ideals about how vaccines will deliver future generations from disease, while not having to personally take a single one of the next generation of shots being engineered right now,. My grandchildren are going to be the ones potentially subjected to a massive increase in the number of inoculation that are being proposed.
We all sight studies from time to time( which I try and take with a grain of sea salt), but does anyone really trust the data coming out of the medical establishment in regards to many of the concerns I bring up. Do you think that when a child dies of some illness that the coroner will put onto the report. Child died of an infections that was caused by immune dysfunction that resulted from adverse vaccine reaction. Could you imagine what would happen if coroners actually looked for the underlying causes of death from a holistic level, then the actual causes of premature death in many of these heartbreaking cases would be fully disclosed. If this were to happen, we may begin to see those who would be so weak as to die from a flu( or some other common viral illness) usually had some other underlying condition which weakend them to a point where it was only a matter of time before something else did them in. Knowing this, people could make informed decisions about their own health, and chose to focus their efforts and the medical dollars to find other ways to boast health and immunity which are much more beneficial than whatever shot has been approved by the FDA for that particular year. For crying out loud 40,000 people die of the flu in America every year, but even if this years flu was killed by vaccines then some other cold bug would emerge and a similar number of people would die of some other condition. ( If I was coroner, with a well funded lab of my own I would run full spectrum analysis's on people who died of infectious illnesses and write up detailed reports that would reflect the environmental factors that where responsible for the death.
In the past, in the instances when a young child died from measles or was crippled by polio, do you think that we had the ability to discern other contributing factors, I mean, 99 percent of the population previous to polio vaccine had antibodies to the virus , but only a small fraction of the population ever showed any symptoms whatsoever. There must be other factors that are being ignored, and unless those factors are identified and addressed then the disease will simply manifest in some other form. We may not have polio outbreaks, but there are an alarming increase in the number of neurological disorders such as cerebral palsy that the medical establishment is unable to address, not to mention a myriad of other conditions that stem from immunological dysfunction.
Live measles virus is being found in the guts of inoculated people who suffer from autoimmune related digestive disorders, as well as in the brains of autistic people, the belief is that in some people the live virus vaccines does not stimulate a sufficient immune response to fully clear the viral DNA and that it imbeds itself deep within the tissues of the body, which possibly contributes to the epidemic of chronic autoimmune dysfunction we see today.
Much of these concerns I am attempting to communicate are not being addressed, or properly investigated by the authorities, and most people I talk to are not even aware of the multitude of deception and lies that surround this issue!
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I do not get either how so many are pro vaccines here......
it is kinda funny
I am saying no to vaccines personally. I got every vaccine that was pushed upon you as a kid and that was enough.
I remember freshly the swine flu vaccine a few years back.... and many got seriously ill after that - in Finland it was really pushed upon you from the health care system (similar to Canada)
I just do not trust our health care system.
I have a sister that has 7 kids, all un-vaccinated. They are all doing fine......
Maybe it is better we try to vaccinate ourselves all the time to all kind of germs and stuff in the nature and from humans around us :)
That is what I do..... no idea if it works but so far I am doing great :)
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The point of vaccinations is to wipe out specific infectious diseases. If enough people get the vaccine for any given disease, then it has no one left to infect and gets wiped out. Then what? Nobody has to get that vaccine ever again. That's what happened with smallpox. Vaccine denialists are taking advantage of everyone else's herd immunity. When there are too many vaccine denialists, then herd immunity fails, and diseases can easily spread.
There's no conspiracy. Vaccination predates the current era of Big Pharma by decades. The basic science supporting it is untainted.
Isn't the whole point of eating a super-healthy diet and doing all this research to be able to live our lives freely? We give up the pleasure of unhealthy foods in order to gain the freedom to have good enough health to do what we want in life.
Well, what I want in life is to contribute to herd immunity. I take a small risk with my own health in order to reduce the risk of disease epidemics. It's my choice, and it's the smarter one. I respect everyone's right to choose.
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That's what happened with smallpox.
Wrong! Found the magazine I was telling you about (NéoSanté n°37), and this what they have to say about the disappearance of Smallpox (summarized and translated from French):
"In the book "Dissolving Illusions", chapter "the rebel experiment", the authors describe a great anti-Smallpox vaccination demonstration which took place in 1885 in Leicester, England. In this country, smallpox vaccination was mandatory for three month old babies since 1853. Children suffered greatly from this vaccination policy, and ill-effects were now impossible to hide. This led the parents of Leicester to rise in mass against the vaccination policy, which meant numerous families were now prosecuted by the State for refusing mandatory vaccination protocol. Following this event, the town of Leicester had a change of politics and opted for an alternative against widespread of diseases called "surveillance-containment". The method proved to be extremely efficient, as Leicester later suffered much lower mortality rates for epidemics that otherwise decimated the vaccinated population of the rest of England. The myth of the eradication of Smallpox by vaccine, still claimed by our experts, was highly shaded by the WHO itself. In some countries the idea is officially accepted that "surveillance-containment" is to thank for the end of Smallpox, rather than mass vaccination, as reminded by the "Final report of world communication for the certification of eradication of smallpox" published in 1979"
"Surveillance-containment" basically describes the process of putting new and current cases of a designated disease in isolation, so as to prevent transmission to the rest of the population.
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The point of vaccinations is to wipe out specific infectious diseases. If enough people get the vaccine for any given disease, then it has no one left to infect and gets wiped out. Then what? Nobody has to get that vaccine ever again. That's what happened with smallpox. Vaccine denialists are taking advantage of everyone else's herd immunity. When there are too many vaccine denialists, then herd immunity fails, and diseases can easily spread.
I don't get it. So people that are vaccinated against a disease are supposed to become immune to it. So how do non-vaccinated individuals still pose a threat to these people? Shouldn't non-vaccinated be the only ones getting sick and dying, in that case? I've got tons of unread info on vaccines, so I'll be doing my homework and doing exactly what you claim to be doing: killing the bullshit.
There's no conspiracy. Vaccination predates the current era of Big Pharma by decades. The basic science supporting it is untainted.
You couldn't be more wrong. If you think Pasteur was a Saint dedicated to the well-being of the people, or an original, inventive mind, you're in for a big surprise. "Pasteur exposed", coming up soon...
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I don't get it. So people that are vaccinated against a disease are supposed to become immune to it. So how do non-vaccinated individuals still pose a threat to these people? Shouldn't non-vaccinated be the only ones getting sick and dying, in that case? I've got tons of unread info on vaccines, so I'll be doing my homework and doing exactly what you claim to be doing: getting rid of the bullshit.
Non-vaccinated people make it impossible for a disease to be eradicated completely. You're right, quarantine is an effective way to get rid of disease. However, it can be extremely difficult to coordinate such a program internationally, which is what would have to happen for it to be effective.
How do you think polio became so rare? You're wrong about smallpox vaccination not working, and your reference is full of shit. LOL
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Jeune, I am familiar with the Pasteur controversy. We were having that discussion years before you showed up here, and there is no ultimate winner. Healthy wild animals die of epidemic disease, but a good diet and lifestyle does help with disease resistance. That's the answer. All good evidence leads to that conclusion, and you, I promise, have nothing new to add to the discussion.
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How do you think polio became so rare? You're wrong about smallpox vaccination not working, and your reference is full of shit. LOL
Grow up, man. Unless you have a PhD in whatever is qualified to genuinely talk about this matter (and Medicine probably isn't even the one), your arguments and references are worth as much as mine.
Jeune, I am familiar with the Pasteur controversy. We were having that discussion years before you showed up here, and there is no ultimate winner. Healthy wild animals die of epidemic disease, but a good diet and lifestyle does help with disease resistance. That's the answer. All good evidence leads to that conclusion, and you, I promise, have nothing new to add to the discussion.
Then why would you still talk about vaccine science being untainted as if it was valid info?
So I guess we can agree that vaccines is just a matter of belief, in the end. I just hope you never experience loosing a child to it...Or maybe they'll be better off with it, heh?
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If there's herd immunity, then an individual is better off avoiding the risk of the vaccine, sure. However, at least 90% or so of the population has to be vaccinated in order for herd immunity to work. Since I'm so healthy from my raw paleo diet, I volunteer to be part of the herd immunity. I don't know about the rest of you.
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Then why would you still talk about vaccine science being untainted as if it was valid info?
I agree that vaccines are semi-pointless for the common childhood diseases, especially if people are eating an ideal diet. However, smallpox killed off over 90% of Native Americans. It's no joke. There are diseases that could erupt into plagues and kill billions, and letting people believe ALL vaccines are useless or mostly harmful would weaken public support for finding and using a vaccine for such a plague, if it happens.
Also, young infants are especially vulnerable if they get sick. They rely on herd immunity.
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Jeune, when I said the basic foundational vaccine science is untainted, I meant "untainted by greed", not "untainted by nutritional ignorance". It obviously isn't the whole truth.
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The point of vaccinations is to wipe out specific infectious diseases. If enough people get the vaccine for any given disease, then it has no one left to infect and gets wiped out. Then what? Nobody has to get that vaccine ever again. That's what happened with smallpox. Vaccine denialists are taking advantage of everyone else's herd immunity. When there are too many vaccine denialists, then herd immunity fails, and diseases can easily spread.
Well, what I want in life is to contribute to herd immunity. I take a small risk with my own health in order to reduce the risk of disease epidemics. It's my choice, and it's the smarter one. I respect everyone's right to choose.
Much of it boils down to personal belief, and the power of the human mind to believe may in fact be enough to make those beliefs true, especially if you can get 90 percent of the population to believe as you do. Perception is reality after all.
Much of the believes we hold regarding this discussion cannot be differentiated from religiosity. There is a divide between those who believe that Man must attempt to control and alter nature so that it doesn't destroy our ego, and others who are more TAO and believe that we should learn to flow with the natural rhythms of life and death, and accept impermanence as a part of life. It is really rather foolish in my opinion to believe that we humans are anywhere close to being able to master the inner workings of biology, to the point where we can scientifically engineer the immune system of a human being that is capable of fully integrating into the world of nature. There is so much more than meets the eye, and I feel that the power of human potential is not dependent upon the machinations of the applied medical industrial sciences. We were well on our way to a higher evolutionary level well before the industrial medical model came along to save us from natures furry.
Within the human mind there is the power to direct conscious thought onto the body in a way that will illicit biological responses, far more in tune with what is needed to adapt to and evolve than what is being done in a Lab. This ability is tied directly to our immune system and the vital essence that is manifest in the very code of our DNA. I have a strong conviction that by artificially interfering with the functioning of these natural processes inoculation with genetically modified viral DNA could be interfering with the process of our evolution to the next level, and it may be stifling the attempts of nature to bring us back into accord with the natural order. The attempt to stifle the sickness of civilization through vaccination are in reality an affront to the natural order of things. It is mans attempt to protect the weak from the strong, and this endeavor though in the eyes of some may seem just and compassionate, is still contrary to the process of life, and there will be serious negative consequences in the long run.
In part CK is right there are disease microbes that will use the unvaccinated as vessels that harbor the mercenary assassins of Gaia. Those with particularly powerful immune systems will not even be aware that they carry organisms that are capable of completely wiping out the weaker portion of the population. Another possibility is perhaps some of the diseases like small pox and syphilis where actually bio weapons that evolved in order for certain subspecies of human to be able to invade and dominate the others around them. Much in the same way that plants have evolved certain poisons in their root systems that edge out competitors. After generation of living in crowded and squalid conditions and being exposed to heavily mutagenic environments the small pox virus was created in the heart of Middle earth in order to purge the population of accumulated waste and genetic malfunctions, many people indeed developed an immunity to even the most virulent strains of the virus, and they were responsible for inoculating the others, the strong lived and the weak died, and life went on.
Feeling powerless against the wrath and furry of natures mysterious processes deeply affected the mind of Man, to the point that it became obsessed with finding ways to save everyone from having to go through the mutilations of mutagenic adaptation. So modern science has decided that in order to protect the biologically weak from the biologically strong they must bring everyone down to the same level through mass inoculation and the suppression of viral realignments, and call it herd immunity. The methods employed so far have been crude, to say the least and though from a limited germ theory based perspective they can claim a few small victories, for the most part the war against nature isn't going very well.
The whole view of modern immunology science is false, and that instead of viewing the biological organisms as vicious demons that will devoured you as soon as they have the chance, we must learn to accept that their presents is just as necessary as ours. The pain and suffering that we call disease is a condition of the environment, and that in order to truly thrive we must focus our efforts on maintaining an intuitive harmony with all the living organisms that share our world with.
There was a star trek episode called unnatural selection, in which an outpost was being used to genetically engineer children with superhuman abilities. These children had incredible abilities both mentally and physiologically. Their immune systems where capable of detecting pathogens in the people who visited and their own immune systems created viruses in order to kill the host of the pathogens that were a perceived threat.
Perhaps if there is a spit between vaccinated and non vaccinated populations then there would be some kind of biological war between the viral DNA of the altered and unaltered populations. In such a case those who have never been allowed to run the course of a major viral episode, never spiking a high temperature for days and developing powerful immune responses naturally, would be completely helpless against the organisms harbored by those with naturally built immunity.
Then again if things continue as they are and 90% of the population continues to be genetically altered through inoculation, then perhaps a Franken bug will immerge ( or be released)that would be harmful to the unvaccinated.
These are crazy times, and some serious issues the following generations will have to face, to be sure..........
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2558AXg-o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2558AXg-o)
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I would like to get back on discussing vaccines on a 1 by 1 basis.
I did this way back on 2003 and I still do it from time to time because new kids keep popping out.
MUMPS
we call it affectionately "beke" in my country.
As a childhood disease, nobody and nobody is ever SCARED of having mumps (as a child).
In fact, I remember my mom and my aunts excitedly calling up one another once one of the cousins was found to have MUMPS... they gathered us all for sleep overs and infected everyone else so all of us had mumps.
I did the same for my 2 boys but they did not acquire mumps or maybe the infected person did not really have mumps.
So why did people used to have MUMPS parties? Because grown ups wanted their children to have mumps because they had a warm fuzzy feeling that if their children had mumps at pre-adolescent ages, they can avoid the complication of MUMPS in the future as adults... which is INFERTILITY.
My best friend male had MUMPS when he was 20.
His mom freaked out and brought him to many doctors for various treatments to have an assurance his testicles would not get inflamed and cause him to become INFERTILE. This was the most feared side effect of MUMPS. Luckily he did not become infertile because today he has 2 sons.
I was surprised when I had my own children that they were now vaccinating for MUMPS in the combo vaccine MMR.
I asked what for?
I think a mumps vaccine is bullshit.
What's your take on MUMPS?
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GS, since the acquired immunity from a case of the mumps and acquired immunity from a mumps vaccine are the same, then why would you try to expose your own boys to mumps but not to the mumps vaccine - a mild dose of the pathogen you wanted to expose them to?
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GS, since the acquired immunity from a case of the mumps and acquired immunity from a mumps vaccine are the same, then why would you try to expose your own boys to mumps but not to the mumps vaccine - a mild dose of the pathogen you wanted to expose them to?
Eve,
immunity from a vaccination is only good for a brief period of a couple of years. After that you are once again a sitting duck and as you get older you get into the periodicity that GS referred to, so now you have to be revaccinated and the revaccination is not as effective. Each successive revaccination is less useful. Of course the vaccination I believe has a risk of causing the actual illness.
However immunity from the actual disease is sufficiently powerful that it lasts the lifetime.
This is explained by Peter Wakefield in the interview with Mercola that I posted.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2558AXg-o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF2558AXg-o)
Thanks ST. That is very germane.
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MUMPS
GS, since the acquired immunity from a case of the mumps and acquired immunity from a mumps vaccine are the same, then why would you try to expose your own boys to mumps but not to the mumps vaccine - a mild dose of the pathogen you wanted to expose them to?
My grand parents and their entire generation did not get a mumps vaccine and welcomed mumps.
My parents and their entire generation did not get a mumps vaccine and welcomed mumps.
I and my siblings and our entire generation did not get a mumps vaccine and welcomed mumps.
If in all 3 generations above we welcomed mumps...
... why should I believe in company claims that this mumps vaccine works when it was so NEW then? And no one was demanding to have a mumps vaccine in the first place!
... why would I introduce a wild card that could POSSIBLY harm my children?
Based on pure logic of probabilities I rejected MUMPS vaccines after deducing this information.
I can see NO BENEFIT from a MUMPS vaccine.
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RUBELLA
As part of the 1 by 1 investigations of childhood disease vaccines...
Let's Discuss Rubella or German Measles / "Tigdas Hangin"
A baby of mine had Rubella at less than 1 year old. She looked horrible for a day or two. But then it went away.
At first there was some concern. Mom took her to the MD.
The MD said it was "Tigdas Hangin" / German Measles / Rubella... and that there was NOTHING to worry about... it will go away.
Nannie said it was nothing.
Grandma said it was nothing.
Elder sister who has 3 kids living with them and all 3 had Rubella themselves said it was nothing.
Neighbours and best friend said it was nothing.
So since almost everyone said Tigdas Hangin was nothing serious... I stopped worrying myself.
So why would I vaccinate for Rubella when it is supposed to be a nothing?
Why RISK injecting a liquid concoction made by a factory from a far away land with weird formulations in them?
In 2014 / 2015 this Rubella vaccine is just part of MMR... a cocktail of 3 drugs...
In my logic of probabilities... the MMR vaccine is a wild card... which has probabilities and reports of side effects... could be major side effects... so by virtue of PURE LOGIC... a Rubella vaccine for my future babies is to be REJECTED.
I can see NO BENEFIT from a Rubella vaccine.
What is your take on Rubella?
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To Answer G.S. and anyone else who may what to debate the merits of certain vaccines, here is a what I think about mumps and rubella
Everyone had gotten the mumps back in the hills where my people came from, nobody ever had any complications from it. My great grandmother was taking care of my mother and her siblings when they had gotten it, and she was in her 40s at the time when she contracted it from them. She was a tough old bird, recovered just fine and didn't have any issues from it at all, ended up living to age 86, and was vibrant and energetic before she was murdered by a stupid doctor who decided to remove a benign lump on her breast and poison her to death with chemo and radiation.
Rubella is something else that is rather harmless in the vast majority of people, and the vaccine was introduced primarily on a whim of its creator who cultured the virus from his daughter and took it back to the lab to create a vaccine, for his own motives. Its been sold under the threat that new borns who get it are at high risk of complications. The mother of my children has had multiple rubella vaccines, because whenever they test her antibodies for it, it shows she lacks immunity. She has autoimmune issues as well, that could explain why her body rejects the antibodies from the vaccine. When our first child was born the doctors cornered her when I wasn't around and practically forced her to get inoculated right after labor. A week later both her and the baby developed the rubella rash on their cheeks, and she developed inflammation of the hip, which lasted for two months. Arthritis( especially of the hip), and autoimmune issues are a common side effect of rubella vaccination.
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if you believe that the cause of disease are bacteria/virus/microorganisms, so, all this thing of vaccination makes sense, if you don't believe that, does it makes sense?
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Chicken pox is a mere inconvenience worthy of COMICS!
Nobody is scared of chicken pox. It makes for good laughs!
But now they introduce it to vaccines in MMRV...
... they add the V for varicela to allegedly vaccinate you from chicken pox!
Another unnecessary vaccine where there is NO DEMAND in the first place.
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http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/documented-rate-of-provoked-seizures-from-chicken-pox-vaccine-dramatically-outpaces-the-natural-infection-risk/ (http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/documented-rate-of-provoked-seizures-from-chicken-pox-vaccine-dramatically-outpaces-the-natural-infection-risk/)
My cousin developed a seizure disorder weeks after receiving the chicken pox vaccine!
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Would you trust your children with Bill Gates sponsored Polio Vaccines?
Unfortunately 48,000 children were paralysed for their trust
http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2013/11/48000-children-in-india-paralysed-by.html (http://nesaranews.blogspot.com/2013/11/48000-children-in-india-paralysed-by.html)
In depth discussion
Bill Gates Surprised by Eugenics Question (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coHf5UEFUl8#ws)
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Uploaded on Apr 18, 2011
In this interview Dr. Maurice Hilleman reveals some astounding revelations. He admits that Merck drug company vaccines (Polio) had been deliberately contaminated with SV40, a cancer-causing monkey virus from 1953 - 63.
For years, researchers suggested that millions of vials of polio vaccine, contaminated with SV40, infected individuals which caused human tumors, and by 1999, molecular evidence of SV40 infections were showing up in children born after 1982. Some experts now suggest the virus may have remained in the polio vaccine until as late as 1999.
In 2002, the journal Lancet published compelling evidence that contaminated polio vaccine was responsible for up to half of the 55,000 non-Hodgkin's lymphoma cases that were occurring each year. And there is the likelihood that there was an importing and spreading of the AIDS virus in the same manner, as revealed in the video.
At first no one could fathom how the virus had been transmitted into the human population, but this shocking video proves that it was deliberately added to the vaccine by Dr. Maurice Hilleman, which was "good science" at that time.
Just Who is Dr. Maurice Hilleman? Chief of Merck Vaccines Research
Now, for those of you who may think Dr. Hilleman was just another crackpot (he passed away in 2005), think again. He was, and still is, the leading vaccine pioneer in the history of vaccines. He developed more than three dozen vaccines—more than any other scientist in history—and was the developer of Merck's vaccine program.
He was a member of the U.S. National Academy of Science, the Institute of Medicine, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and the American Philosophical Society, and received a special lifetime achievement award from the World Health Organization.
When he was chief of the Department of Respiratory Diseases with what's now the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, he discovered the genetic changes that occur when the influenza virus mutates, known as shift and drift. He was also one of the early vaccine pioneers to warn about the possibility that simian viruses might contaminate vaccines.So Dr. Hilleman knew what he was talking about. And in his own words, "vaccines have to be considered the bargain basement technology for the 20th Century."
Vaccine pioneer admits adding cancer-causing virus to Vaccine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13QiSV_lrDQ#ws)
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The Exploding Autoimmune Epidemic - Dr. Tent - It's Not Autoimmune, you have Viruses
Published on Dec 27, 2012
As they say, the proof is in the pudding ! Well done Dr. Tent, now to get the world to come together and stop this madness.
The Exploding Autoimmune Epidemic - Dr. Tent - It's Not Autoimmune, you have Viruses (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FCJ_VPyns#)
In this video see the history of POLIO and the sv 40 virus and the CANCER Epidemic afterwards.
And a host of people CURED by this doctor after getting rid of the viruses they got from their vaccines.
TRUST... there has been so much misplaced TRUST in these mega companies and their philanthropist backers.
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In 2003 when I started doing my research, I had read and asked around that there were no longer WILD polio illnesses going around.
That the only people who got polio acquired it from their POLIO vaccines... something like BAD BATCHES... or quality control problems.
So I weighed the risks of getting polio from the WILD (none)
vs
The risk of getting polio from vaccines (yes there is)
What is a responsible logical father to choose then?
Owing to my logical mathematical deduction, I chose to NOT give POLIO vaccines any more to my children.
But what about the success of Polio vaccines in the PAST?
Well that is past history. I have to make decisions for my children in 2003 and beyond.
And in 2003 - 2015... there are no longer WILD polio viruses going around infecting people.
So this is how my logic goes.
Your logic may lie elsewhere so do discuss your decision making here.
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INFO on the BCG Vaccine: http://www.tbfacts.org/bcg-tb-vaccine.html (http://www.tbfacts.org/bcg-tb-vaccine.html)
In the Philippines TB aka Tuberculosis is a big deal, it used to be a death sentence, even famous Filipinos in the past died of TB, even a past President died in office of TB.
For children it is called Primary Complex.
The standard medical treatment of TB is a government sponsored TRIO of drugs you give for 6 months to TB patients. My employee did this to his son. His son was vaccinated for TB. Yet his son still got TB.
As my first born son was vaccinated to TB, yet he still got TB.
But as with my son, his treatment was different because I was already a raw paleo dieter at this time.
So I treated my son with combined Beam Ray sessions + Raw Paleo Diet of mostly raw beef + raw beef muscle plasma blood daily (1/2 cup a day) + sunlight... for 2 months.
He got well in only 2 months drug free, faster, no side effects.
And very easy.
I merely combined pre-antibiotic treatment advice + rife technology
So what had this taught me?
TB is mostly malnutrition (as I read from research of Philippine history and Pre Antibiotic Era Medical Books).
That nutrition + rife works splendidly well.
That raw paleo diet for children is doable.
That the TB vaccine did not work for my child and my employee's child.
Cush 3rd Beam Ray Session for Tuberculosis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHU2iQY0KLY#)
Actual video in 2009 of my actual child, and the actual beam ray machine, and our raw beef lunch.
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I saw the possible side effects in a colleges daughter who was severely mentally and physically disabled from a vaccination, this was quite off putting so my wife and I didn't vaccinate our children. They are healthy and haven't visited a doctor for many years. As GS says this may be due to reasonably good nutrition (a modern diet which includes animal products and fats, raw fruits and veges, as well as grains and a limited amount of sugar, with soda and bottled juice only occasionally) and they don't overeat which must help a lot, possibly because they grew up in a free school system and didn't develop the tendency to overeat that my brother and I began growing up for some reason.
There seems to be a lot of evidence available, if you look behind MSM, that people who have been vaccinated have more health problems than those that have not been vaccinated. For example:
http://www.sott.net/article/292130-Studies-outside-the-US-show-unvaccinated-children-healthier-than-vaccinated-children (http://www.sott.net/article/292130-Studies-outside-the-US-show-unvaccinated-children-healthier-than-vaccinated-children)
There is also evidence that the monkeys used to develop many vaccines were previously used in the CIA efforts to develop biological assassination (they say the plan was to inject Castro with a modified virus and then expose him to radiation exposure to kill him - look up Dr Marys Monkey, there is an amazing youtube video about it, with Lee Harvey Oswald as the doctors body guard, both of who were later eliminated).
It is possible that vaccination may be useful in some situations, but do we really trust the money powers who are making billions of dollars from over prescribing, and will make billions more if people get sicker, to make the best choices for us?
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Maybe if those who disagreed with me bothered to take the time to use correct spelling and grammar, their wild claims would get more respect.
But feel free to keep madly typing away, cluttering the forum with long, misspelled posts that no one will read. Meanwhile, my trademark succinct style will actually be read. LOL
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Cherimoya, you are an intelligent guy but do you really think being a cocky douchebag is necessary? Honestly, it just makes you seem immature, arrogant and egotistical. It does nothing to further your point.
I just want to thank sabortooth and GS for giving me faith that not everyone is so totally insecure and so easily ruled by fear that they can see clearly that we are being willfully poisoned and exterminated when we agree to vaccinations. I think this is the case anytime we agree to participate in most any part of the system and our current, global overculutre. The rest of you are sad, scared and misguided. The fact you don't understand self governance makes me cringe, you are so easy to give up your power and allow the government to make you sick, either by putting the fear in you mentally or putting the poison in you physically. Death is a necessary part of life, buck up and realize that, because we have chosen an unsustainable way to live upon the earth, we are going to have to change our ways (which could be positive like limiting travle and wirking on local sustainability, or negative like continuing to live wasteful unhealthy lives and relying on pharmacuticles) and/or people are going to have to die, and it's not a tragedy, it's nature. Id rather the here culled to bring things back into balance at the hands of nature then the herd poisoned and mutilated at the hands of man.
I'm typing these on an iPhone so give me a break on spelling, etc.
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Well, I remember my own father telling me how certain people he knew of his generation had to endure appalling permanent side-effects from things like TB and polio, even sometimes after recovering from the relevant illness. He was not a pro-pharma type of guy, indeed he was fanatically anti-conventional medicine in many respects, having had an incompetent doctor poorly fixing his broken arm and nearly dying from a forced regime on antibiotics which he only escaped by hiding the pills so that the nurse would think he'd swallowed them. However, he was wise enough to see that some aspects of modern medicine, such as vaccines, were necessary to get rid of some very nasty diseases in his time . My older brother has intermittent malaria from his time in Africa, so, while I am fortunate not to have gotten such a disease, I know that vaccines have greatly helped in this regard.
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Jessica, I make most of my posts on an android phone using the Dragon Swype utility, which makes typing easy by just swiping over the letters in a word, good value for a dollar.
I agree with your assessment of CKs arrogance!
Regarding death, Anna Braytenbach says that in communicating with other species she found that like you they do not hold the attachment to life and fear of death that most people have. To other animals the progression of their family, species and of all living forms is more important than themselves. Would the elite plan to significantly reduce US population and return much of the country back to it's natural state be a good thing?
There are reports of the Catholic church rejecting vaccines in Africa and Philippines due to them containing anti fertility agents, creating anti bodies against pregnancy. Given overpopulation you could argue this is a good thing, or that it is totally unacceptable.
Will different populations and classes be given different vaccination formulations in order to further control human populations, and assist in the depopulation agenda?
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Well, I remember my own father telling me how certain people he knew of his generation had to endure appalling permanent side-effects from things like TB and polio, even sometimes after recovering from the relevant illness. He was not a pro-pharma type of guy, indeed he was fanatically anti-conventional medicine in many respects, having had an incompetent doctor poorly fixing his broken arm and nearly dying from a forced regime on antibiotics which he only escaped by hiding the pills so that the nurse would think he'd swallowed them. However, he was wise enough to see that some aspects of modern medicine, such as vaccines, were necessary to get rid of some very nasty diseases in his time . My older brother has intermittent malaria from his time in Africa, so, while I am fortunate not to have gotten such a disease, I know that vaccines have greatly helped in this regard.
You bring up the dilemma of medicine and you are right. Illnesses of the past were not particularly nice and vaccinations seems to send them scurrying. However there is a decent argument that the diseases have changed names as in polio becoming redesignated as multiple sclerosis.
The problem that Peter Wakefield had was the multiple vaccines. That was his statement that caused all the uproar. Someone in the UK had arbitrarily decided 'no more single vaccines'.
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Would the elite plan to significantly reduce US population and return much of the country back to it's natural state be a good thing?
Of course this argument sounds a bit conspiratorial but it fits with the plan of certain folks that had this agenda pre WW2 with eugenics. Just an update version.
There are reports of the Catholic church rejecting vaccines in Africa and Philippines due to them containing anti fertility agents, creating anti bodies against pregnancy. Given overpopulation you could argue this is a good thing, or that it is totally unacceptable.
Will different populations and classes be given different vaccination formulations in order to further control human populations, and assist in the depopulation agenda?
These words also may sound conspiratorial but when they are considered against the backdrop of a world in which "Economic Hit Men" like John Perkins freely talk about the US corporatocracy (especially) and ones from other countries whose agenda is to keep the populace hungry and willing to work in modern day slavery and to be dispossessed in their own lands in Africa because there is lots of untapped resources there, makes it likely that these conspiracies are real.
http://www.amazon.ca/The-Secret-History-American-Empire/dp/0452289572 (http://www.amazon.ca/The-Secret-History-American-Empire/dp/0452289572)
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Tyler and CK, simply pointing to anecdotal cases where particular diseases have been suppressed though vaccination is not the main focus my concerns regarding the safety of vaccination. Though none of our individual methods of persuasion, and grammatical tact may be ideal, there is still room for us to continue to discuss our differing views like civilized Cave Men, without stooping to petty insults.
TB and malaria were naturally occurring disease which were primarily a result of poor environmental conditions. TB epidemics were from living indoors in smoke filled coal heated houses, or triggered by a combination of nutritional deficiently, and some other unknown cause. Malaria is something that occurs near stagnant water, where there may be a whole culmination of environmental factors which make one prone. A lot of those who died of it where people like imported slaves from sub-Saharan Africa who had no natural ancestral immunity, nor were they well adapted to the environment their masters forced them to live in, or the food they were forced to eat. Many colonial settlers were already on the edge of malnutrition and suffered from a number of imbalances, before trotting off to exotic places where they came down with exotic parasites such as malaria. We were not being told all the details of how the people who contracted the diseases lived in completely unnatural environments with polluted water and poor nutrition. For every story of an epidemic blamed on some microbial organism, there are countless forgotten generations of people who lived in great health in similar geographic areas, and were able to coexist with the very same microbes. I side with Be Champ and his law of the terrain over, germ theory any day ;)
My children are not being raised in an Dickensian slum, nor are they going to live in a swamp in Borneo. TB and malaria are not much of a threat in suburbia. I try to have clean water, and provide healthy food, I let them play in the farm yard and roll in the muck, they never have had any bacterial infections and what little viral bugs go around they get over it just fine without any need for drugs. My biggest concern as a parent is not what microbe may arise from our environment naturally, it is what is being released through genetically modified viruses released in vaccination as well as the GMOs in the crops, and the myriad of pollution that is a part of modern life. The last swine flu outbreak was a genetically modified strain that was released in live virus vaccination experiments. The mother of my children was going to UK hospital for her prenatal care when it was released, we all got it, and it triggered her to go into early labor. This was before my raw paleo days and I got extremely sick, but we all recovered from it, without the help of drugs. We are entering an age where terminator genes are being imbedded into food crops, and it may not be long before genetic modifications begin to be intentionally placed into vaccines. The same people who willingly allowed cancer viruses to be permitted into vaccines are still running the show, and regardless of the potential benefits of vaccine technology , I have very little faith in the scruples of the cartels which dominate vaccine development and marketing. Call me a conspiracy theories , but I just don't trust the foundations run by billionaires who publicly call for population reduction, who have control of the WHO, FDA, CDC, AMA, and whatever other world governing bodies involved in the racket which passes for modern medicine .
In theory vaccine science seems feasible, but as we often know when ideals are put into practice the results do not always meet the expectations of the best laid plans of mice and men.
This issue of mandatory vaccines being pushed by the world government authorities is an affront to individual health freedom and liberty on many levels, the battle lines are being drawn, and I will not back down from this fight. I challenge anyone to an open debate on a point counter point basis, and we will let the witnesses decide for themselves where the truth may lie. Who will join the cause for the freedom to be a vaccine skeptic ( Are we lab mice, or are we cave men?) ( Are we live stock or are we the wild, and unbridled spirit of humanity? )
The main points being illustrated by those opposed to vaccines are willfully ignored in this debate! While the straw man tactics are employed to limit the scope of the discussion from the pro vaccine contingency, there are legitimate claims that vaccines have caused and are continuing to cause harm. It is very well possible that the original polio vaccine was contaminated, and the number of people who were adversely effected by the contaminate shots, by far out numbered the people " potentially saved from polio. Will everyone at least agree that the original polio shots where tainted and that a large percentage of people who received those shots later suffered from cancer? The scientist who worked on the vaccine admitted it for Gods sake?
I continue to insist that there must be better ways to insure the health and vitality of the human race than what the current medical industrial model is pushing, the problem is that there are already so much money and power invested in the current system that the kind of scientific research that would be needed to verify and implement alternatives will not be conducted. If people want to see change in the insane governmental health policy that is being forced upon us, then it must be initiated through the grass roots, and practiced on the small scale, by regular people.
Here is a novel ideal, why not put it to a vote? There are a number of forum members and guest who are on the sidelines that are reading what is being discussed, let us have a vote on who believes that vaccines benefits out weigh the risk, and who believes that there are potential damages which outweigh the alleged benefits of vaccination?
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Malaria is easily cured https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrwZN1cPfX8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrwZN1cPfX8)
Last count was about 10,000 cured. It's cheap and very simple.
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I have been a www.prolife.org.ph (http://www.prolife.org.ph) volunteer since 2003 and I spoke to and were close friends with the late NURSE and Nun and Founder Ma. Pilar Verzosa of Pro-Life Philippines about that 1995 incident where she and her friends had exposed the depopulation agenda directly injuring our FELLOW FILIPINA WOMEN and their CHILDREN.
That incident was as clear and REAL to me as I live in the same City, the same country, studied in the same university that EXPOSED this REAL conspiracy against HUMAN LIFE.
http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/ProLife.News/pln-0508.txt (http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/ProLife.News/pln-0508.txt)
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This newsletter is intended to provide articles and news information to
those interested in Pro-Life issues. All submissions should be sent to the
editor, Steve <plnews-mod@prolife.netcentral.net>.
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1) Across the Pond: The Philippines
Under the auspices of the World Health Organization (WHO), UNICEF, and the
Philippine Dept. of Health, more than 3.4 million women were recently
vaccinated against tetanus. Beta-human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG) has
been discovered in samples of the vaccine, which has the potential of
permanently sterilizing the women as well. Professor Hermela Pagayanan of
the University of the Philippines discovered anti-beta hCG in the blood
serum of 30 women who received the tetanus toxoid vaccine.
"The vials [of vaccine] we tested proved positive for beta-hcg while the
women had anti-bodies against beta-hCG," reports Sister Mary Pilar Verzosa,
RGS, of Pro-Life Philippines. "This means their blood had built up
antibodies against pregnancy. The women we tested had miscarriages,
stillbirth or premature births."
At the last court hearing, the Chief of the Philippine BFAD (their Food and
Drug Administration) admitted that the 3 brands of toxoids did not undergo
any internal testing or registration in his office before they were
distributed to the public health centers. He said that WHO confirmation was
enough... "We will ask other poor countries to investigate their
immunizations. In India, 12 children died of polio shots. We cannot keep
quiet. Our women who lost their babies are grieving," commented Sister Mary
Pilar.
Will these women be sterile for life? Or only temporarily? Professor
Pagayanan writes that "no research has been done on whether these
sterilizing effects are temporary or permanent ... Whether there is an
antidote to the sterilizing effect is not yet known."
(Contact: For information and to offer assistance, write or call Sister
Mary Pilar Verzosa, RGS, Pro-Life Philippines, Caritas Building, 2002 Jesus
Street, Pandacan, Manila, Philippines; phone or fax 011-632-50-63-32)
More here:
http://www.infowars.com/vaccinate-the-world-gates-rockefeller-seek-global-population-reduction/ (http://www.infowars.com/vaccinate-the-world-gates-rockefeller-seek-global-population-reduction/)
The following are excerpts from the BBC program:
MARY PILAR VERZOSA: The women would say why is it that the tetanus shots that we’ve been getting have had effects on us? Our fertility cycles are all fouled up, some of the women among us have had bleedings and miscarriages, some have lost their babies at a very early stage. The symptoms could come soon after their tetanus vaccination – some the following day, others within a week’s time. For those who were pregnant on their first three or four months the miscarriage was really frightening.
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MARY PILAR VERZOSA: I began to suspect that here in the Philippines that’s exactly what’s happening. They have laced the tetanus toxoid vials with the Beta HCG.
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MARY PILAR VERZOSA: Oh boy that was really something when this came out of my fax machine. Report on HCG concentration in vaccine vials. Three out of those four vials registered positive for HCG, so my suspicions are affirmed that here in our country they are not only giving plain tetanus toxoid vaccination to our women, they are also giving anti-fertility.
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(http://www.curemanual.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/sister-pilar.jpg)
Who was Sister Pilar Verzosa?
http://www.curemanual.com/2012/09/sr-pilar-verzosa-rgs-founder-of-pro-life-philippines-foundation-dies-of-brain-aneurysm/ (http://www.curemanual.com/2012/09/sr-pilar-verzosa-rgs-founder-of-pro-life-philippines-foundation-dies-of-brain-aneurysm/)
Do you think I would still TRUST, the lives of my children... to those very organizations and companies who funded / made this SABOTAGE / DEATH CAMPAIGN happen?
BIG FAT NO!
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Malaria is easily cured https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrwZN1cPfX8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrwZN1cPfX8)
Last count was about 10,000 cured. It's cheap and very simple.
The red cross, however, vehemently rejects any notion that they used MMS to cure malaria. MMS sounds just like so many snake-oil products I have seen before on alternative health websites and books.
I have a useful rule of thumb when checking any such product:- the believability of any product is inversely related to how much guff they make about big pharma being oh, so dangerous. Non-spamming items just do not need such sales pitches.
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SB, your claims re the origins of various major diseases is clearly flawed. For example, sub-saharan africans have sickle-cell anaemia, if one is just a carrier of one such gene for SCA, one is somewhat protected against malaria, which means that sub-saharan africans have a better immunity to malaria than other populations.
On an anecdotal note, the author James Herriott, writing about his time as a vet, reported that the children of the local slaughterhouse-owner were the healthiest children in the regions, "despite" living and playing with rotting, left-over carcass remnants/organs. Obviously, in such situations, they got in regular contact with very tiny amounts of various pathogens which further stimulated their immune-system and made them more resistant to much larger or more virulent strains.Much like with the issue of vaccines.
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Much like with the issue of vaccines.
Flawed observation here.
Those children interact with microbes with smell, touch, taste...
Vaccines are injected directly into the blood stream (bypassing what should be the immune system) and contain many different alien nasty components.
I think it is time I posted here for you to read what those damn "vaccines" you adore so much CONTAIN... are so grossly NON-PALEO.
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Tyler and CK, simply pointing to anecdotal cases where particular diseases have been suppressed though vaccination is not the main focus my concerns regarding the safety of vaccination. Though none of our individual methods of persuasion, and grammatical tact may be ideal, there is still room for us to continue to discuss our differing views like civilized Cave Men, without stooping to petty insults.
TB and malaria were naturally occurring disease which were primarily a result of poor environmental conditions. TB epidemics were from living indoors in smoke filled coal heated houses, or triggered by a combination of nutritional deficiently, and some other unknown cause. Malaria is something that occurs near stagnant water, where there may be a whole culmination of environmental factors which make one prone. A lot of those who died of it where people like imported slaves from sub-Saharan Africa who had no natural ancestral immunity, nor were they well adapted to the environment their masters forced them to live in, or the food they were forced to eat. Many colonial settlers were already on the edge of malnutrition and suffered from a number of imbalances, before trotting off to exotic places where they came down with exotic parasites such as malaria. We were not being told all the details of how the people who contracted the diseases lived in completely unnatural environments with polluted water and poor nutrition. For every story of an epidemic blamed on some microbial organism, there are countless forgotten generations of people who lived in great health in similar geographic areas, and were able to coexist with the very same microbes. I side with Be Champ and his law of the terrain over, germ theory any day ;)
My children are not being raised in an Dickensian slum, nor are they going to live in a swamp in Borneo. TB and malaria are not much of a threat in suburbia. I try to have clean water, and provide healthy food, I let them play in the farm yard and roll in the muck, they never have had any bacterial infections and what little viral bugs go around they get over it just fine without any need for drugs. My biggest concern as a parent is not what microbe may arise from our environment naturally, it is what is being released through genetically modified viruses released in vaccination as well as the GMOs in the crops, and the myriad of pollution that is a part of modern life. The last swine flu outbreak was a genetically modified strain that was released in live virus vaccination experiments. The mother of my children was going to UK hospital for her prenatal care when it was released, we all got it, and it triggered her to go into early labor. This was before my raw paleo days and I got extremely sick, but we all recovered from it, without the help of drugs. We are entering an age where terminator genes are being imbedded into food crops, and it may not be long before genetic modifications begin to be intentionally placed into vaccines. The same people who willingly allowed cancer viruses to be permitted into vaccines are still running the show, and regardless of the potential benefits of vaccine technology , I have very little faith in the scruples of the cartels which dominate vaccine development and marketing. Call me a conspiracy theories , but I just don't trust the foundations run by billionaires who publicly call for population reduction, who have control of the WHO, FDA, CDC, AMA, and whatever other world governing bodies involved in the racket which passes for modern medicine .
In theory vaccine science seems feasible, but as we often know when ideals are put into practice the results do not always meet the expectations of the best laid plans of mice and men.
This issue of mandatory vaccines being pushed by the world government authorities is an affront to individual health freedom and liberty on many levels, the battle lines are being drawn, and I will not back down from this fight. I challenge anyone to an open debate on a point counter point basis, and we will let the witnesses decide for themselves where the truth may lie. Who will join the cause for the freedom to be a vaccine skeptic ( Are we lab mice, or are we cave men?) ( Are we live stock or are we the wild, and unbridled spirit of humanity? )
The main points being illustrated by those opposed to vaccines are willfully ignored in this debate! While the straw man tactics are employed to limit the scope of the discussion from the pro vaccine contingency, there are legitimate claims that vaccines have caused and are continuing to cause harm. It is very well possible that the original polio vaccine was contaminated, and the number of people who were adversely effected by the contaminate shots, by far out numbered the people " potentially saved from polio. Will everyone at least agree that the original polio shots where tainted and that a large percentage of people who received those shots later suffered from cancer? The scientist who worked on the vaccine admitted it for Gods sake?
I continue to insist that there must be better ways to insure the health and vitality of the human race than what the current medical industrial model is pushing, the problem is that there are already so much money and power invested in the current system that the kind of scientific research that would be needed to verify and implement alternatives will not be conducted. If people want to see change in the insane governmental health policy that is being forced upon us, then it must be initiated through the grass roots, and practiced on the small scale, by regular people.
Here is a novel ideal, why not put it to a vote? There are a number of forum members and guest who are on the sidelines that are reading what is being discussed, let us have a vote on who believes that vaccines benefits out weigh the risk, and who believes that there are potential damages which outweigh the alleged benefits of vaccination?
This post is absolutely amazing.
I see it exactly as SB.
I have done my own reading about Polio... TB etc etc. and found exactly the same things. TB... easily cured by good nutrition and sunshine! In Europe we had TB hospitals that used only sunlight... people were scantily clad all day long in the sun........
My doc tried to give me a tetanus shot... but I said no thanks. I read up on tetanus.... and i found it ridiculous!
We need to read up on every single illness to know why and how and then we can decide. So far I have not seen one I want to take vaccines for.
Great point from SB about Malaria and how people have lived in those places it occurs with little issues. I even read, people who live in those places and suffers from Malaria once in a while have way less cancer. For us living in another part of the world, it might be deadly because we are not adapted to it, but I am not going to live in any place with Malaria anyways.
The swine flu thing was horrible. In Finland the government and media pushed the vaccines so hard many could not withstand the pressure.... Thanks god all my family was able to... but I fought for it quite a bit, I remember! Now, there are many that took the vaccine that suffers from horrible permanent damage... it was even in the newspaper.. but just briefly and the thing is forgotten about. No one talks about it anymore.. it just get silenced down... and soon comes the next vaccine. Do you think the damaged ones will get any indemnity? Of course not.
The flu vaccine is absolutely ridiculous too. Viruses changes all the time and there are many many different flu viruses.....
Any one with a normal functioning brain should get, it is a stupid thing to do. But they do not. Because of the pressure from media etc.
The metals they use in the vaccines today..... they are nothing you want to have into your body as we all live in high non native EMF.
Especially not kids! We live in a crazy environment... it is not like 100 years ago... not at all. Vaccines today is a different story. They are way worse.
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On an anecdotal note, the author James Herriott, writing about his time as a vet, reported that the children of the local slaughterhouse-owner were the healthiest children in the regions, "despite" living and playing with rotting, left-over carcass remnants/organs. Obviously, in such situations, they got in regular contact with very tiny amounts of various pathogens which further stimulated their immune-system and made them more resistant to much larger or more virulent strains.Much like with the issue of vaccines.
Yep. This is how we need to vaccine ourselves. I do too. I am not too keen about washing my hands at all.... I get all kind of bacteria and viruses from all over.... raw seafood / oysters are full of viruses too BTW! I eat those all the time.....
This is how we need to vaccine ourselves and our kids.
Not poisonous stuff injected into our bodies through needles.
How utterly unnatural and crazy.
That is how the common vaccine practice seems to me. I have yet to see it being useful.
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I think it is time I posted here for you to read what those damn "vaccines" you adore so much CONTAIN... are so grossly NON-PALEO.
Thimerosal , one of the ingredients and the one mostly criticised, has been debunked re causing autism. Dr Wakefield's evidence was wholly discredited on a scientific basis.
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Thimerosal , one of the ingredients and the one mostly criticised, has been debunked re causing autism. Dr Wakefield's evidence was wholly discredited on a scientific basis.
Straw man argument. Pitiful tactic.
You are debating with fellow raw paleo dieters here.
That guy is not the only one who is criticizing those vaccines.
I will post here all the various ingredients in those vaccines you admire.
Let's see if you will still admire them afterwards.
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Vaccine Ingredients and Manufacturer Information
(alphabetical order by vaccine)
(http://vaccines.procon.org/files/1-vaccines-images/vaccine_syringe_vials.jpg)
We have listed vaccine ingredients (substances that appear in the final vaccine product), process ingredients (substances used to create the vaccine that may or may not appear in the final vaccine product), and growth mediums (the substances vaccines are grown in) for 31 vaccines commonly recommended by the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC.)
Controversial products used to make vaccines: African Green Monkey (Vero) cells, aluminum, cow products, Cocker Spaniel cells, formaldehyde, human fetal lung tissue cells, insect products, and mouse brains.
Though not listed, each vaccine contains strains of the virus being vaccinated against. Each vaccine entry links to the manufacturer's package insert that contains information about dosage, ingredient quantity, and how the vaccine is made. Some vaccines, like influenza vaccines, are modified frequently and you may wish to consult the package inserts online and your doctor for the most current information.
Read more at http://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005206 (http://vaccines.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005206)
Or download a PDF I generated from the same link so you can print out all 23 pages.
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Download MMR II package insert here http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf (http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf)
M-M-R® II
(MEASLES, MUMPS, and RUBELLA VIRUS VACCINE LIVE)
DESCRIPTION
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live) is a live virus vaccine for vaccination against measles (rubeola), mumps, and rubella (German measles).
M-M-R II is a sterile lyophilized preparation of (1) ATTENUVAX® (Measles Virus Vaccine Live), a more attenuated line of measles virus, derived from Enders' attenuated Edmonston strain and propagated in chick embryo cell culture; (2) MUMPSVAX® (Mumps Virus Vaccine Live), the Jeryl Lynn™ (B level) strain of mumps virus propagated in chick embryo cell culture; and (3) MERUVAX® II (Rubella Virus Vaccine Live), the Wistar RA 27/3 strain of live attenuated rubella virus propagated in WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts.{1,2}
The growth medium for measles and mumps is Medium 199 (a buffered salt solution containing vitamins and amino acids and supplemented with fetal bovine serum) containing SPGA (sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, and recombinant human albumin) as stabilizer and neomycin. The growth medium for rubella is Minimum Essential Medium (MEM) [a buffered salt solution containing vitamins and amino acids and supplemented with fetal bovine serum] containing recombinant human albumin and neomycin. Sorbitol and hydrolyzed gelatin stabilizer are added to the individual virus harvests.
The cells, virus pools, and fetal bovine serum are all screened for the absence of adventitious agents. The reconstituted vaccine is for subcutaneous administration. Each 0.5 mL dose contains not less than 1,000 TCID
50 (tissue culture infectious doses) of measles virus; 12,500 TCID 50 of mumps virus; and 1,000 TCID
50 of rubella virus. Each dose of the vaccine is calculated to contain sorbitol (14.5 mg), sodium
phosphate, sucrose (1.9 mg), sodium chloride, hydrolyzed gelatin (14.5 mg), recombinant human albumin
( ? 0.3 mg), fetal bovine serum (<1 ppm), other buffer and media ingredients and approximately 25 mcg of
neomycin. The product contains no preservative.
Before reconstitution, the lyophilized vaccine is a light yellow compact crystalline plug. M-M-R II, when
reconstituted as directed, is clear yellow.
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CONTRAINDICATIONS
Hypersensitivity to any component of the vaccine, including gelatin.{40}
Do not give M-M-R II to pregnant females; the possible effects of the vaccine on fetal development
are unknown at this time. If vaccination of post pubertal females is undertaken, pregnancy should be
avoided for three months following vaccination (see INDICATIONS AND USAGE, Non - Pregnant
Adolescent and Adult Females and PRECAUTIONS, Pregnancy)
Anaphylactic or anaphylactoid reactions to neomycin (each dose of reconstituted vaccine contains approximately 25 mcg of neomycin).
Febrile respiratory illness or other active febrile infection. However, the ACIP has recommended that all vaccines can be administered to persons with minor illnesses such as diarrhea, mild upper respiratory infection with or without low-grade fever, or other low-grade febrile illness.{41}
Patients receiving immunosuppressive therapy. This contraindication does not apply to patients who
are receiving corticosteroids as replacement therapy, e.g., for Addison's disease.
Individuals with blood dyscrasias, leukemia, lymphomas of any type, or other malignant neoplasms
affecting the bone marrow orlymphatic systems.
Primary and acquired immunodeficiency states, including patients who are immunosuppressed in
association with AIDS or other clinical manifestations of infection with human immunodeficiency
viruses;{41-43}cellular immune deficiencies; and hypogamm aglobulinemic and dysgammaglobulinemic
states. Measles inclusion body encephalitis{44} (MIBE), pneumonitis{45} and death as a direct
consequence of disseminated measles vaccine virus infection have been reported in
immunocompromised individuals inadvertently vaccinated with measles-containing vaccine.
Individuals with a family history of congenital or hereditary immunodeficiency, until the immune
competence of the potential vaccine recipient is demonstrated.
WARNINGS
Due caution should be employed in administration of M-M-R II
to persons with a history of cerebral injury, individual or family histories of convulsions, or any other condition in which stress due to fever should be avoided. The physician should be alert to the temperature elevation which may occur following vaccination (see ADVERSE REACTIONS).
Hypersensitivity to Eggs
Live measles vaccine and live mumps vaccine are produced in chick embryo cell culture. Persons with
a history of anaphylactic, anaphylactoid, or other immediate reactions (e.g., hives, swelling of the mouth
and throat, difficulty breathing, hypotension, or shock) subsequent to egg ingestion may be at an
enhanced risk of immediate-type hypersensitivity reactions after receiving vaccines containing traces of
chick embryo antigen. The potential risk to benefit ratio should be care fully evaluated before considering
vaccination in such cases. Such individuals may be vaccinated with extreme caution, having adequate
treatment on hand should a reaction occur (see PRECAUTIONS).{46}
However, the AAP has stated, "Most children with a history of anaphylactic reactions to eggs have no
untoward reactions to measles or MMR vaccine. Persons are not at increased risk if they have egg
allergies that are not anaphylactic, and they should be vaccinated in the usual manner. In addition, skin
testing of egg-allergic children with vaccine has not been predictive of which children will have an
immediate hypersensitivity reaction...
Persons with allergies to chickens or chicken feathers are not at increased risk of reaction to the vaccine."{47}
Hypersensitivity to Neomycin
The AAP states, "Persons who have experienced anaphylactic reactions to topically or systemically
administered neomycin should not receive measles vaccine. Most often, however, neomycin allergy
manifests as a contact dermatitis, which is a delayed-type (cell-mediated) immune response rather than
anaphylaxis. In such persons, an adverse reaction to
neomycin in the vaccine would be an erythematous,
pruritic nodule or papule, 48 to 96 hours after vaccination.
A history of contact dermatitis to neomycin is not a contraindication to receiving measles vaccine."{47}
Thrombocytopenia
Individuals with current thrombocytopenia may develop more severe thrombocytopenia following vaccination. In addition, individuals who experienced thrombocytopenia with the first dose of M-M-R II (or its component vaccines) may develop thrombocytopenia with repeat doses. Serologic status may be evaluated to determine whether or not additional doses of vaccine are needed. The potential risk to benefit ratio should be carefully evaluated before considering vaccination in such cases (see ADVERSE REACTIONS).
PRECAUTIONS
General
Adequate treatment provisions, including epinephrine injection (1:1000), should be available for immediate use should an anaphylactic or anaphylactoid reaction occur.
Special care should be taken to ensure that the injection does not enter a blood vessel.
Children and young adults who are known to be infected with human immunodeficiency viruses and
are not immuno suppressed may be vaccinated. However, vaccinees who are infected with HIV should be
monitored closely for vaccine-preventable diseases because immunization may be less effective than for
uninfected persons (see CONTRAINDICATIONS).{42,43}
Vaccination should be deferred for 3 months or longer following blood or plasma transfusions, or
administration of immune globulin (human).{47}
Excretion of small amounts of the live attenuated rubella virus from the nose or throat has occurred in
the majority of susceptible individuals 7 to 28 days after vaccination. There is no confirmed evidence to
indicate that such virus is transmitted to susceptible persons who are in contact with the vaccinated
individuals. Consequently, transmission through close personal contact, while accepted as a theoretical
possibility, is not regarded as a significant risk.{33}
However, transmission of the rubella vaccine virus to infants via breast milk has been documented (see
Nursing Mothers).
There are no reports of transmission of live attenuated measles or mumps viruses from vaccines to
susceptible contacts.
It has been reported that live attenuated measles, mumps and rubella virus vaccines given individually
may result in a temporary depression of tuberculin skin sensitivity. Therefore, if a tuberculin test is to be
done, it should be administered either before or simultaneously with M-M-R II.
Children under treatment for tuberculosis have not experienced exacerbation of the disease when
immunized with live measles virus vaccine;{48} no studies have been reported to date of the effect of
measles virus vaccines on untreated tuberculous children. However, individuals with active untreated
tuberculosis should not be vaccinated.
As for any vaccine, vaccination with M-M-R II may not result in protection in 100% of vaccines.
The health-care provider should determine the current health status and previous vaccination history
of the vaccine.
The health-care provider should question the patient, parent, or guardian about reactions to a previous
dose of M-M-R II or other measles-, mumps-, or rubella-containing vaccines.
Information for Patients
The health-care provider should provide the vaccine information required to be given with each
vaccination to the patient, parent, or guardian.
The health-care provider should inform the patient, parent, or guardian of the benefits and risks
associated with vaccination. For risks associated with vaccination see WARNINGS, PRECAUTIONS, and
ADVERSE REACTIONS.
Patients, parents, or guardians should be instructed to report any serious adverse reactions to their
health-care provider who in turn should report such events to the U.S. Department of Health and Human
Services through the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), 1-800-822-7967.{49}
Pregnancy should be avoided for 3 months following vaccination, and patients should be informed of
the reasons for this precaution (see INDICATIONS AND USAGE, Non-Pregnant Adolescent and Adult
Females , CONTRAINDICATIONS, and PRECAUTIONS, Pregnancy).
Laboratory Tests
See INDICATIONS AND USAGE, Non-Pregnant Adolescent and Adult Females, for Rubella
Susceptibility Testing, and CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY. Drug Interactions
See DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION, Use With Other Vaccines.
Immuno suppressive Therapy
The immune status of patients about to undergo immuno suppressive therapy should be evaluated so
that the physician can consider what her vaccination prior to the initiation of treatment is indicated (see
CONTRAINDICATIONS and PRECAUTIONS).
The ACIP has stated that "patients with leukemia in remission who have not received chemotherapy
for at least 3 months may receive live virus vaccines. Short-term (<2 weeks), low- to moderate-dose
systemic corticosteroid therapy, topical steroid therapy (e.g. nasal, skin), long-term alternate-day
treatment with low to moderate doses of short-acting systemic steroid, and intra-articular, bursal, or
tendon injection of corticosteroids are not immunosuppressive in their usual doses and do not
contraindicate the administration of [measle s, mumps, or rubella vaccine]."{33,34,37}
Immune Globulin
Administration of immune globulins concurrently with M-M-R II may interfere with the expected
immune response.{33,34,47}
See also PRECAUTIONS,
General
Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis,
Impairment of Fertility M-M-R II has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or potential to impair fertility.
Pregnancy
Pregnancy Category C
Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with M-M-R II. It is also not known whether
M-M-R II can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction
capacity. Therefore, the vaccine should not be administered to pregnant females; furthermore, pregnancy
should be avoided for 3 months following vaccination (see INDICATIONS AND USAGE,
Non-Pregnant
Adolescent and Adult Females and CONTRAINDICATIONS).
In counseling women who are inadvertently vaccinated when pregnant or who become pregnant
within 3 months of vaccination, the physician should be aware of the following: (1) In a 10-year survey
involving over 700 pregnant women who received rubella vaccine within 3 months before or after
conception (of whom 189 received the Wistar RA 27/3 strain), none of the newborns had abnormalities
compatible with congenital rubella syndrome;{50} (2) Mumps infection during the first trimester of
pregnancy may increase the rate of spontaneous abortion. Although mumps vaccine virus has been
shown to infect the placenta and fetus, there is no evidence that it causes congenital malformations in
humans;{37} and (3) Reports have indicated that contracting wild-type measles during pregnancy
enhances fetal risk. Increased rates of spontaneous abortion, stillbirth, congenital defects and prematurity
have been observed subsequent to infection with wild-type measles during pregnancy.{51,52} There are
no adequate studies of the attenuated (vaccine) strain of measles virus in pregnancy. However, it would
be prudent to assume that the vaccine strain of virus is also capable of inducing adverse fetal effects.
Nursing Mothers
It is not known whether measles or mumps vaccine virus is secreted in human milk. Recent studies
have shown that lactating postpartum women immunized with live attenuated rubella vaccine may secrete
the virus in breast milk and transmit it to breast-fed infants.{53} In the infants with serological evidence of
rubella infection, none exhibited severe disease; however, one exhibited mild clinical illness typical of
acquired rubella.{54,55} Caution should be exercised when M-M-R II is administered to a nursing
woman.
Pediatric Use
Safety and effectiveness of measles vaccine in infants below the age of
6 months have not been established (see also CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY).
Safety and effectiveness of mumps and rubella vaccine in infants less than 12 months
of age have not been established.
Geriatric Use
Clinical studies of M-M-R II did not include sufficient numbers of seronegative subjects aged 65 and
over to determine whether they respond differently from younger subjects.
Other reported clinical experience has not identified differences in responses between the elder
ly and younger subjects.
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Download MMR II package insert here http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf (http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf)
ADVERSE REACTIONS
The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality,
within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed
vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing measles, mumps, or rubella:
Body as a Whole
Panniculitis; atypical measles; fever; syncope; headache; dizziness; malaise; irritability.
Cardiovascular System
Vasculitis.
Digestive System
Pancreatitis; diarrhea; vomiting; parotitis; nausea.
Endocrine System
Diabetes mellitus.
Hemic and Lymphatic System
Thrombocytopenia (see WARNINGS, Thrombocytopenia); purpura; regional lymphadenopathy; leukocytosis.
Immune System
Anaphylaxis and anaphylactoid reactions have been reported as well as related phenomena such as
angioneurotic edema (including peripheral or facial edema) and bronchial spasm in individuals with or
without an allergic history.
Musculoskeletal System
Arthritis; arthralgia; myalgia. Arthralgia and/or arthritis (usually transient and rarely chronic), and polyneuritis are features of infection with wild-type rubella and vary in frequency and severity with age and sex, being greatest in
adult females and least in prepubertal children. This type of involvement as well as myalgia and paresthesia, have also been reported following administration of MERUVAX II.
Chronic arthritis has been associated with wild-type rubella infection and has been related to
persistent virus and/or viral antigen isolated from body tissues. Only rarely have vaccine recipients
developed chronic joint symptoms.
Following vaccination in children, reactions in joints are uncommon and generally of brief duration. In
women, incidence rates for arthritis and arthralgia are generally higher than those seen in children
(children: 0-3%; women: 12-26%), {17,56,57} and the reactions tend to be more marked and of longer
duration. Symptoms may persist for a matter of months or on rare occasions for years. In adolescent
girls, the reactions appear to be intermediate in incidence between those seen in children and in adult
women. Even in women older than 35 years, these reactions are gener ally well tolerated and rarely
interfere with normal activities.
Nervous System
Encephalitis; encephalopathy; measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE) (see CONTRAINDICATIONS); subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE); Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS);
acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM); transverse myelitis; febrile convulsions; afebrile
convulsions or seizures; ataxia; polyneuritis; polyneuropathy; ocular palsies; paresthesia.
Experience from more than 80 million doses of all live measles vaccines given in the U.S. through
1975 indicates that significant central nervous system reactions such as encephalitis and encephalopathy, occurring within 30 days after vaccination, have been temporally associated with
measles vaccine very rarely.{58} In no case has it been shown that reactions were actually caused by
vaccine. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has pointed out that "a
certain number of cases of encephalitis may be expected to occur in a large childhood population in a defined period of time even when no vaccines are administered". However, the data suggest the possibility that some of these cases
may have been caused by measles vaccines. The risk of such serious neurological disorders following
live measles virus vaccine administration remains far less than that for encephalitis and encephalopathy
with wild-type measles (one per two thousand reported cases).
Post-marketing surveillance of the more than 200 million doses of M-M-R and M-M-R II
that have been distributed worldwide over 25 years (1971 to 1996) indicates that serious
adverse events such as encephalitis and encephalopathy continue to be rarely reported.{17}
There have been reports of subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE) in children who did not have
a history of infection with wild-type measles but did receive measles vaccine. Some of these cases may
have resulted from unrecognized measles in the first year of life or possibly from
the measles vaccination.
Based on estimated nationwide measles vaccine distribution, the association of SSPE cases to measles
vaccination is about one case per million vaccine doses distributed. This is far
less than the association with infection with wild-type measles, 6-22 cases of
SSPE per million cases of measles. The results of a retrospective case-controlled study conducted by
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
suggest that the overall effect of measles vaccine has been to protect against SSPE by preventing
measles with its inherent higher risk of SSPE.{59}
Cases of aseptic meningitis have been reported to VAERS following measles, mumps, and rubella
vaccination. Although a causal relationship between the Urabe strain of mumps vaccine and aseptic
meningitis has been shown, there is no evidence to link Jeryl Lynn™ mumps vaccine to aseptic
meningitis.
Respiratory System
Pneumonia; pneumonitis (see CONTRAINDICATIONS); sore throat; cough; rhinitis.
Skin
Stevens-Johnson syndrome; erythema multiforme; urticaria; rash;
measles-like rash; pruritis.
Local reactions including burning/stinging at injection site; wheal and flare; redness (erythema);
swelling; induration; tenderness; vesiculation at injection site.
Special Senses — Ear
Nerve deafness; otitis media.
Special Senses — Eye
Retinitis; optic neuritis; papillitis;
retrobulbar neuritis; conjunctivitis.
Urogenital System
Epididymitis; orchitis.
Other
Death from various, and in some cases unknown, causes has been reported rarely following
vaccination with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines; however, a causal relationship has not been
established in healthy individuals (see CONTRAINDICATIONS).
No deaths or permanent sequelae were reported in a published post-marketing surveillance
study in Finland involving 1.5 million children and adults who were vaccinated with M-M-R
II during 1982 to 1993.{60}
Under the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, health-care providers and manufacturers
are required to record and report certain suspected adverse events occurring within specific time periods
after vaccination. However, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has established
a Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) which will accept all reports of suspected
events.{49} A VAERS report form as well as information regarding reporting requirements can be
obtained by calling VAERS 1-800-822-7967.
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Download MMR II package insert here http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf (http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf)
My only questions to you aspiring parents is:
Did you read your package inserts WAY WAY BEFORE deciding to GIVE that vaccine, say in this case MMR II to your child?
Or was the only chance you got your hands on the package insert was AFTER your MD had given it to your child?
If you have not given that SPECIFIC vaccine to your child, then I urge you to READ WAY WAY before you even give the vaccine to your child.
In many cases prior, I would buy drugs or vaccines, read the package inserts with my wife, check for Class Action suits and Country Shut Downs and Complaints and Bans... before giving the drug / vaccine.
There were times we actually THREW the drug in the garbage and wasted money, but at least we informed ourselves FIRST.
I hope you aspiring parents INFORM yourselves before you make these kinds of decisions.
As some of you already know I am NOT RELIGIOUS.
I do not base my decisions on FAITH or on FEAR.
I'd rather get the best information I can get from multiple sources and sides of the debate and then make my decisions.
The above posts I made are just what is on the package insert of one vaccine brand from one manufacturer.
You as PARENT must have the TENACITY to READ EVERYTHING... not just for 1 vaccine, but for ALL you wish to administer to your CHILD.
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"The triple jab (MMR) was banned in Japan in 1993 after 1.8 million children had been given two types of MMR and a record number developed non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions.
Official figures show there were (3) three deaths while (8) eight children were left with permanent handicaps ranging from damaged hearing and blindness to loss of control of limbs.
The government reconsidered using MMR in 1999 but decided it was safer to keep the ban and continue using individual vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella."
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"In 1993, after a public outcry fuelled by worries over the flu vaccine, the government dropped the requirement for children to be vaccinated against measles or rubella.
Dr Hiroki Nakatani, director of the Infectious Disease Division at Japan's Ministry of Health and Welfare said that giving individual vaccines cost twice as much as MMR 'but we believe it is worth it'."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17509/Why-Japan-banned-MMR-vaccine.html#ixzz3RjOSxea8 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17509/Why-Japan-banned-MMR-vaccine.html#ixzz3RjOSxea8)
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SO... it seems you CAN GET an individual MEASLES only vaccine in JAPAN... interesting.
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Our Philippine Department of Health has some PUBLIC data on MEASLES in my country from 2010 to 2013
I assume the vaccine used is MMR ?
See here at http://www.doh.gov.ph/disease-surveillance.html (http://www.doh.gov.ph/disease-surveillance.html)
* NOTICE - They do not track MUMPS or RUBELLA !!! (I wonder why... you know by now, don't you?)
2010 Measles Morbidity Week 43 http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2010measleswk43.pdf (http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2010measleswk43.pdf)
2010 Measles Morbidity Week 52 http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2010measleswk52.pdf (http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2010measleswk52.pdf)
2011 Measles Morbidity Week 3 http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2011measleswk3.pdf (http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2011measleswk3.pdf)
2011 Measles Morbidity Week 5 http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2011measleswk5.pdf (http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2011measleswk5.pdf)
2011 Measles Morbidity Week 7 http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2011measleswk7.pdf (http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2011measleswk7.pdf)
2011 Measles Morbidity Week 9 http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2011measleswk9.pdf (http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2011measleswk9.pdf)
2011 Measles Morbidity Week 11 http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2011measleswk11.pdf (http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2011measleswk11.pdf)
2011 Measles Morbidity Week 13 http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2011measleswk13.pdf (http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2011measleswk13.pdf)
2011 Measles Morbidity Week 16
2011 Measles Morbidity Week 18
2011 Measles Morbidity Week 21
2011 Measles Morbidity Week 25
2012 Measles Morbidity Week 6
2012 Measles Morbidity Week 7
2012 Measles Morbidity Week 10
2012 Measles Morbidity Week 12
2012 Measles Morbidity Week 15
2012 Measles Morbidity Week 17
2012 Measles Morbidity Week 20 http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2012measleswk20.pdf (http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2012measleswk20.pdf)
2013 Measles Morbidity Week 16
2013 Measles Morbidity Week 25
2013 Measles Morbidity Week 35
2013 Measles Morbidity Week 38
2013 Measles Morbidity Week 42
2013 Measles Morbidity Week 45
2013 Measles Morbidity Week 50 http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2013measleswk50.pdf (http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2013measleswk50.pdf)
2013 Measles Morbidity Week 52 http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2013measleswk52.pdf (http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2013measleswk52.pdf)
Go and click a couple of PDFs and take time to study the data.
Just how effective have the measles vaccines been in the Philippines?
For example on Page 4 of http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2012measleswk20.pdf (http://www.doh.gov.ph/sites/default/files/2012measleswk20.pdf) figure 7 immunization status of confirmed measles cases,
the NOT VACCINATED - 41%,
the VACCINATED - 30%,
the UNKNOWN 16%,
NO DATA - 13%
If you have the time and statistical skills, you can probably tabulate all this and give your statistical assessment.
I do not have the time to do this. All I can present to you is DATA from my government agency.
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The red cross, however, vehemently rejects any notion that they used MMS to cure malaria. MMS sounds just like so many snake-oil products I have seen before on alternative health websites and books.
I have a useful rule of thumb when checking any such product:- the believability of any product is inversely related to how much guff they make about big pharma being oh, so dangerous. Non-spamming items just do not need such sales pitches.
Re: snake oil. I think you know about that story, but I will repeat it here. It was yet another drug manufacturer scam based on a real thing, Chinese water snake oil, that the Chinese immigrants used. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/snake-oil-salesmen-knew-something/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/snake-oil-salesmen-knew-something/)
Nice theory about MMS, but I used it and it works. I had a case of tennis elbow that was persistent from an injury and one round of MMS protocol 1000 for a week or so and it was gone and has not returned.
You see unlike yourself I make my decisions based on: what PPL I know and trust, who check out these things and if I hear good things I try it. This to me, is much better than basing decisions on beliefism/guessism/cynicism. That was what science was supposed to get rid of.
RE: the Red Cross, bear in mind this is the same cast of characters who dissed the * Heimlich Manoeuver for many years. I read the story about that and it is an incredible story of ego trips, know it alls, Doctors who didn't know how to read science. Many PPL died thanks to these creeps.
Same thing happened in Canada with this cast of characters with the **'tainted blood scandal'. I know someone who has lived with the disease caused by them.
* http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000047.htm (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000047.htm)
** http://www.cbc.ca/strombo/news/canadas-tainted-blood-scandal (http://www.cbc.ca/strombo/news/canadas-tainted-blood-scandal)
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Re: snake oil. I think you know about that story, but I will repeat it here. It was yet another drug manufacturer scam based on a real thing, Chinese water snake oil, that the Chinese immigrants used. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/snake-oil-salesmen-knew-something/ (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/snake-oil-salesmen-knew-something/)
I feel like praying for your immortal soul, and I'm an atheist.....
I loathe Chinese medicine, it is highly unnatural and is one of THE main reasons why constant environmental destruction is continuing, just because some deluded rich Chinese still believe in the sheer, ludicrous absurdity of Chinese medicine, where, supposedly, one gets the strength and vitality of a tiger if one eats the animal parts thereof, and similiar b*llsh*t. Even Chinese acupuncture has been extensively scientifically debunked by now....
Incidentally, I do not just take mainstream science as fact. I indeed often check it and only partially corroborate it, such as in the case of heat-created toxins from cooked foods. For example, may scientific studies condemn meats, but I have definitely shown that these studies only concern cooked meats, not raw meats, so the data only apply to cooked meats, and are therefore wrong in damning all meats.
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I feel like praying for your immortal soul, and I'm an atheist.....
I loathe Chinese medicine, it is highly unnatural and is one of THE main reasons why constant environmental destruction is continuing, just because some deluded rich Chinese still believe in the sheer, ludicrous absurdity of Chinese medicine, where, supposedly, one gets the strength and vitality of a tiger if one eats the animal parts thereof, and similiar b*llsh*t. Even Chinese acupuncture has been extensively scientifically debunked by now....
Incidentally, I do not just take mainstream science as fact. I indeed often check it and only partially corroborate it, such as in the case of heat-created toxins from cooked foods. For example, may scientific studies condemn meats, but I have definitely shown that these studies only concern cooked meats, not raw meats, so the data only apply to cooked meats, and are therefore wrong in damning all meats.
Sorry to rain on your parade but that article I linked to was Scientific American.
I was not advertising for TCM, just clarifying an urban legend that you were quoting as if it were true.
Re: the eating of animal parts, this is of course true and false. The eating of the parts may confer the benefits, just the reporting of it in the media has made PPL go overboard causing the wanton destruction of animals in the wild just for their parts. Just like the buffalo hunting by white men in North America that brought them to the brink of destruction and the hunting of animals in Africa .
Some looney tune visited the town dump where I lived and killed all the bears there to sell whatever it is that they sell to TCM merchants.That kind of thing is a distorted version of human nature.
Everyone at this site eats food from animals but hopefully do not kill an animal just for a small part of it.
I think that most of the PPL on this site are guilty of not eating the whole animal. The aboriginals ate the whole thing.
A certain part of an animal may indeed be beneficial for certain PPL. I know that eating the heart and other organs was almost a ritual and I know of PPL nowadays who eat certain organs after they kill an animal. Just about everyone I knew in the small town I lived in hunted.
Regarding science, I am willing to accept a certain amount of it, but I have seen so much perversion of it to suit the one who pays for it that I have very little time for it. I do know that you do have a handle on the aspect of science that is useful.
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I feel like praying for your immortal soul, and I'm an atheist.....
I loathe Chinese medicine, it is highly unnatural and is one of THE main reasons why constant environmental destruction is continuing, just because some deluded rich Chinese still believe in the sheer, ludicrous absurdity of Chinese medicine, where, supposedly, one gets the strength and vitality of a tiger if one eats the animal parts thereof, and similiar b*llsh*t. Even Chinese acupuncture has been extensively scientifically debunked by now....
Incidentally, I do not just take mainstream science as fact. I indeed often check it and only partially corroborate it, such as in the case of heat-created toxins from cooked foods. For example, may scientific studies condemn meats, but I have definitely shown that these studies only concern cooked meats, not raw meats, so the data only apply to cooked meats, and are therefore wrong in damning all meats.
Whats up with Tyler? ;)
My sister went to an TCM doc in Helsinki when she were young and he was the only one who could help her. She was healed in just a few acupuncture sessions..... I am not saying TCM is always the way to go but I do believe they have many great things. Absolutely!
and.. about the animal parts I have to disagree too.
Raw heart is what I crave when I feel my heart needs more power... and it helps.
Raw balls increases my libido pretty noticeable too.......
and raw brain makes me brain work more efficiently.
All my own N=1.
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Inger,
You are right.
I hurt myself quite badly overdoing some Yoga about a year ago. I was in very much pain and a friend mentioned a TCM guy, who I went to and he used the needles.
I went from barely able to walk, to complete return to normal in about 40 minutes. It was pretty strange, when he put the needles in, I could see in my minds eye the path that the current or Chi flowed. It was an orange colour like an electrical arc. It was like shorting an electrical circuit, very fast and bright.
I mentioned it to the guy and he said my chi was strong because of my exercising.
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Sorry to rain on your parade but that article I linked to was Scientific American.
*sigh*, I too sometimes quote from scientific journals, but at least I often debunk some of their most-idiotically-used phrases and claims if they turned out to be dead-wrong!
I was not advertising for TCM, just clarifying an urban legend that you were quoting as if it were true.
Your claim re omega-3s is truly absurd when one takes into account that omega-3s are found in plentiful amounts in domesticated animals such as raw, 100% grassfed meats! Let alone raw, wildcaught seafood!
Re: the eating of animal parts, this is of course true and false. The eating of the parts may confer the benefits, just the reporting of it in the media has made PPL go overboard causing the wanton destruction of animals in the wild just for their parts. Just like the buffalo hunting by white men in North America that brought them to the brink of destruction and the hunting of animals in Africa .
Some looney tune visited the town dump where I lived and killed all the bears there to sell whatever it is that they sell to TCM merchants.That kind of thing is a distorted version of human nature.
Fine, so let us use some logic and not touch anything that Chinese medicine advocates....
I think that most of the PPL on this site are guilty of not eating the whole animal. The aboriginals ate the whole thing.
Most of us do indeed aim for eating all the various innards, whenever they can....
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A certain part of an animal may indeed be beneficial for certain PPL. I know that eating the heart and other organs was almost a ritual and I know of PPL nowadays who eat certain organs after they kill an animal. Just about everyone I knew in the small town I lived in hunted.Everyone at this site eats food from animals but hopefully do not kill an animal just for a small part of it.[/quote] Whenever possible, most of us do indeed go in for the raw innards....
Regarding science, I am willing to accept a certain amount of it, but I have seen so much perversion of it to suit the one who pays for it that I have very little time for it. I do know that you do have a handle on the aspect of science that is useful.
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My own father had 2 big acupuncture sessions. The 1st failed him and he foolishly blamed incompetence re her, the 2nd succeeded. I have since researched studies on acupuncture and they prove that acupuncture is no better than a placebo....
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Myown father had 2 big acupuncture sessions. The 1st failed him and he foolsshly blamed incompetence re her, the 2nd succeeded. I have since researched studies on acupuncture and they prove that acupuncture is no better than a placebo....
Who did the research TD ?
Placebo is an easy one to throw around. It can be invoked by anyone and anytime, and is a weak argument. The sources of some of the science that you like to quote must be paid for by someone who has a something for sale.
I have had other needle sessions that did nothing. I believe that like anything the talent of the operator is key.
The science that was done by PW was dissed by the publisher of the rag "Lancet" who just happened to be on the board of the UK drug company that produced the vaccines which is what this thread is about.
Now that is the "Placebo effect" in action.
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*sigh*, I too sometimes quote from scientific journals, but at least I often debunk some of their most-idiotically-used phrases and claims if they turned out to be dead-wrong! Your claim re omega-3s is truly absurd when one takes into account that omega-3s are found in plentiful amounts in domesticated animals such as raw, 100% grassfed meats! Let alone raw, wildcaught seafood!
No argument from me on the better source being raw. I am not arguing in favour of anything, simply clarifying your information.
The active ingredient in the snake oil from what I read in one link is a chemical that starts with the letter x and is a well known pain reliever.
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Snake oil has gotten a bad rap, I bet if most people would consume cold pressed free range snake oil regularly, in place of the other garbage oils they usually eat, there would be noticeable health benefits... But why just eat the oil, I plan on catching a few snakes in my garden this year and making a Snake smoothie....Yum
I have long advocated eating the whole animal, and certain parts that are often thrown out may have incredible healing properties if eaten raw and regularly. My stomach smoothies are delightfully nutritious.
As for boosting immunity, how about instead of injecting infants with inoculations , why not feed them copious amounts of innards and organs, including the lymph tissue, thymus and other glands of raw, paleo quality animals. I eat all the nodes and glands from the animals I get, and they are full of viral antibodies and white blood cells that will nourish my own immune system. I would bet my left testicle that children raised in such a way would be head and shoulders, healthier and with stronger immunity than children who were fully vaccinated and fed a standard diet.
If medical science was untethered by special interest and antiquated ideologies then perhaps they could experiment on inoculating livestock with human immune factors and harvesting the raw glands and feeding those inoculated glands to people as a safer and more natural alternative to the current abhorrent vaccine protocols that are now in place.
We need visionaries to take up the calling to lead the next phase in the evolution of our scientific understanding, to see beyond the limitations and prejudices of our day and dig into possibilities that are much deeper than pervious explorations have revealed, Let us try and understand our past more clearly before running arrogantly headfirst into the unknown future.
What do you think our ancestors were doing when they ate the whole animal. The animals and plants our ancestors ate contained antibodies to all bacteria , mold, fungus, plant toxins, viruses, etc that they had developed from being inoculated by contact with other life forms their environments. We incorporated the living immune factors from those plants and animals we ate. Only now days the link has been cut, and we no longer eat foods that are of our environment, and the foods we do eat have all the immune building factors either cut out or cooked out. On top of that there have been introduced a myriad of other disruptive influences which hamper the functioning of our bodies natural healing and immune response mechanisms.
Why don't we try to reconnect ourselves with the environment and work to restore holistic indigenous immunity, which for eons has been natures way of doing things... Before we go head long into the unknown of apishly tinkering with forces we can barely comprehend?
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Guys... if you want to talk about Acupuncture, MMS, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Snake Oil... you might want to split this into a new topic?
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Guys... if you want to talk about Acupuncture, MMS, Traditional Chinese Medicine, Snake Oil... you might want to split this into a new topic?
So... no using analogies, metaphors, and clever remarks if they contain references to acupuncture, MMS, TCM, and/or snake oil?
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I heard about this recently, feel free to make of it what you will:
Measles Outbreak In Ohio Leads Amish To Reconsider Vaccines
JUNE 24, 2014 3:31 AM ET
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/06/24/323702892/measles-outbreak-in-ohio-leads-amish-to-reconsider-vaccines (http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/06/24/323702892/measles-outbreak-in-ohio-leads-amish-to-reconsider-vaccines)
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I heard about this recently, feel free to make of it what you will:
Measles Outbreak In Ohio Leads Amish To Reconsider Vaccines
JUNE 24, 2014 3:31 AM ET
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/06/24/323702892/measles-outbreak-in-ohio-leads-amish-to-reconsider-vaccines (http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2014/06/24/323702892/measles-outbreak-in-ohio-leads-amish-to-reconsider-vaccines)
Why I find Measles Only Single Vaccine possibly interesting for those who want it. And not the MMR which has many reports of dire side effects including death, Japan banned the MMR in 1993. And even Philippine statistics show that the MMR is really not effective... just look at the pie charts of what percentage of not vaccinated and the percentage of the vaccinated get measles.*
*Hint... vaccination against measles using MMR is not convincing according to Philippine stats.
Now is the chance for the Amish to take statistics like the Philippines does with measles vaccinations.
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Acupuncture is the real deal, when done correctly. You don't believe? Go to China. I've had enough experience treating myself and others with acupressure to know how powerful it can be. Many non-Chinese practitioners are not well-trained. That's all I'll say about it in this thread. Start a new thread if you want to discuss it further.
Chinese herbalism and nutrition theory is a mixed bag of common sense, paleo-type nutritional practice, pro-cooking and pro-grains bias, and some hooey. There are some things of value there, but you have to sift through the pro-cooking/pro-grains bias plus the rhino horn and tiger penis silliness, much like with Ayurveda.
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I heard about this recently, feel free to make of it what you will:
I think this hysteria over measles is bogus, even during the larger outbreaks in Amish country how many Amish people died or where permanently damaged? Then let us consider if you take an Amish community that have never suffered any fatalities and ill effects from these kind of viral illnesses, and you subject them to the same inoculation schedule that average Americans receive, though extremely unethical, it may at least make for a good case study that would help identify adverse reactions of vaccines in control group populations, that are limited in exposure to other possible contaminations. They would be the perfect lab rats for such an experiment? If after being inoculated, the rates of neurological, cognitive, allergy, or autoimmune disorders increase in Amish children, then it may provide proof of vaccines dangers, that is much harder to deny than when these conditions arise, in roundup ready fed, vaccinated populations!
The problem with any type of study of this nature is that how do we trust those conducting the research. For all we know the Amish would be given the single dose "Clean Vaccines" which the uber elite get for them selves and their children.
This issue of muti strain vaccines is important to consider. If the Amish just receive one shot of formula M( which is of congressional Quality) and don't have a reaction that in no way is proof that the formula MMRV ( which is designed for poor )that they receive at the government health department, and is being required for my children, is somehow safe.
The" clean" vaccines which the public officials get, and what they use in the trail runs, may not be the same shots they are giving the poor!
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Acupuncture is the real deal, when done correctly. You don't believe? Go to China. I've had enough experience treating myself and others with acupressure to know how powerful it can be. Many non-Chinese practitioners are not well-trained. That's all I'll say about it in this thread. Start a new thread if you want to discuss it further.
Chinese herbalism and nutrition theory is a mixed bag of common sense, paleo-type nutritional practice, pro-cooking and pro-grains bias, and some hooey. There are some things of value there, but you have to sift through the pro-cooking/pro-grains bias plus the rhino horn and tiger penis silliness, much like with Ayurveda.
100% agreed
That is something I think would be a cool addition to the forum, some kind of thanks or like button to give an idea who agrees or disagrees. A mini on the spot poll.
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A thumbs up sign etc. would not work. After all, we have had various changing viewpoints over the years - at one point, rawpaleodietforum was full of raw, zero-carbers who almost succeeded in crushing all other opposition to the point where they started asking for certain forums to be deleted, now I feel sorry for them as they are an oppressed minority these days.
As regards the parts of animals, I will concede that eating raw (grassfed etc.) hearts would be useful for someone with heart-disease and so on. But the vast majority of claims made by Chinese medicine to suggest that one automatically gains vast powers if one eats the part of a very rare wild animal is utter rubbish. Now, if Chinese medicine instead recommended the raw heart of a grassfed ox, instead, that would be fine...
Well, we will have to agree to disagree re acupuncture.
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I have used a traditional healer to help me with past injuries. Being very active I am always straining something, and this energy healer woman uses pressure points and minor adjustments to help heal and realign the body. She works out the kinks, using many different techniques.
She would hit points that would radiate pressure and pain from one side of the body to the other , she once said that its like acupuncture with your hands. She had an intuitive feel, and could feel when ribs or vertebra were out, and tap them back into place effortlessly.
Acupuncture itself seems like it may be supportive to healing but I bet the results would be better if other integrated healing arts were used with it.
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Since I would be absolutely hated for citing a source like quackwatch once again, I thought of a more obvious, more reliable source, namely James Randi who has exposed numerous charlatans as well as many of the alternative medicine fields:-
http://www.newsweek.com/2013/08/16/james-randi-amazing-meeting-and-bullshit-police-237816.html (http://www.newsweek.com/2013/08/16/james-randi-amazing-meeting-and-bullshit-police-237816.html)
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"The triple jab (MMR) was banned in Japan in 1993 after 1.8 million children had been given two types of MMR and a record number developed non-viral meningitis and other adverse reactions.
Official figures show there were (3) three deaths while (8) eight children were left with permanent handicaps ranging from damaged hearing and blindness to loss of control of limbs.
The government reconsidered using MMR in 1999 but decided it was safer to keep the ban and continue using individual vaccines for measles, mumps and rubella."
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"In 1993, after a public outcry fuelled by worries over the flu vaccine, the government dropped the requirement for children to be vaccinated against measles or rubella.
Dr Hiroki Nakatani, director of the Infectious Disease Division at Japan's Ministry of Health and Welfare said that giving individual vaccines cost twice as much as MMR 'but we believe it is worth it'."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17509/Why-Japan-banned-MMR-vaccine.html#ixzz3RjOSxea8 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17509/Why-Japan-banned-MMR-vaccine.html#ixzz3RjOSxea8)
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SO... it seems you CAN GET an individual MEASLES only vaccine in JAPAN... interesting.
yeah, this concerns me. Until we have better oversight in place, I don't think it's ethical to require vaccination, because this kind of mistake is not something we want happening in our country, especially if the government were forcing vaccines.
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Since I would be absolutely hated for citing a source like quackwatch once again, I thought of a more obvious, more reliable source, namely James Randi who has exposed numerous charlatans as well as many of the alternative medicine fields:-
http://www.newsweek.com/2013/08/16/james-randi-amazing-meeting-and-bullshit-police-237816.html (http://www.newsweek.com/2013/08/16/james-randi-amazing-meeting-and-bullshit-police-237816.html)
Randi "The amazing" (self-praise is better than none) Randi seems to be referred to as a leader of a movement. Sounds almost like a religion.
He is no more ligit than QW which is run by a self-professed employee of Big Pharma/FDA and AMA according to a court case in Canada.
You'll have to do better than that.
Fact is I have better things to do than try to debunk a debunker. That road is not worth the bother. I doubt that anyone here will change their viewpoint thanks to a thread. Most PPL are died in the wool believers in skepticism or open minded.
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Randi has done a number of tests which have convincingly debunked a lot of alternative medicine.
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Excellent I wish him well. He no doubt is on lots of meds. ;)
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I took me lots of time yesterday to read up on measles...... as I got a bit worried if that could be something clever to vaccinate for.
I am fortunate to know a few languages, so when I do research I often read up on different sites in different languages, Finnish, Swedish, German, Norwegian, English..... and every site is somewhat different. It is pretty interesting........ how are different countries handling the issue etc.
Ok... after reading a lot.... I kinda lost my fears. Measles is the most serious one it seems... but still.... the ones who get complications seems, once again, to be the ones that are immuno suppressed. Statistics also vary wildly......??? some statistic gives a mortality of 1:20 000 when other gives a mortality of 1:2000
People die from pneumonia too.. and many other things. It is when your immunity is weak, then you can die from even get your hand squeezed in the car. I had a class mate that died from that, I will never forget.
It is weird what happens when you make effort to see the whole picture about illness and health.........
I started to think about my parents... they were not vaccinated for measles..... and they both come from big families with each 12 siblings..... they all grew up and thrived.....
I wonder why media always try to scare us so much. It is like we live in a age of fear?
People are even scared to eat berries in the woods and wild herbs because of snail shit on them that can have dangerous viruses and other dangerous parasites spread by foxes and such..... I should be dead by now but I wonder why I am not l)