Paleo Diet: Raw Paleo Diet and Lifestyle Forum
Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Off Topic => Topic started by: goodsamaritan on October 19, 2009, 05:16:59 am
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How can raw paleo dieters like us become more likeable?
We do need to socialize somehow for business, connections, friendships etc.
We have to admit from the point of view of the majority of the people, including cooked meat paleo dieters, we are VERY ECCENTRIC or probably BLOODY WEIRDos.
Plus the fact that we are very opinionated does not sit well with many people.
Plus the fact that people cannot just invite us to any party or restaurant as they know we cannot be impressed that way.
Plus the fact that western medicine adherents would totally freak out at how opposite a lot of our mindset is from their disease and drug picture.
Many things.
Please chime in with your 2 cents.
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My thought is that thinking purely in terms of an individual's dietary habits is extremely limiting.
I come here to find info as well as share info & experiences, but being a raw foodist who consumes raw meat (by whatever name anyone wishes to put on that) is hardly the whole - or even a major part - of who I am. That said, why would I address the world "as a raw foodist" or "as a paleo dieter"?
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I don't mind a debate. If they feel so irritated when debating, I might wonder what's eating them. They must have parasites in their bodies. People do like me. I don't have to force anyone to like me. If they dislike, that is them disliking. Should I pretend I don't eat raw meat to suit their fantasy? It's unhealthy to play up to delusional people who might be requesting you to do that. I'm not sure about this.
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I compromise by eating the least-bad thing available when I have to, and I don't lecture or criticize people who have no interest in it.
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I always find that threatening people physically is an excellent way to get them to show more respect. -d
Just kidding. Seriously, who cares? I don't eat this diet because TylerDurden is a great guy. I eat it because it works. That's what draws people to the diet. Sure, there are some people who are attracted to things because of the person selling/teaching those things...but those people are weak and foolish, and easily swayed. We are mostly strong-willed here, and we, mostly, have come to understand that evidence and proof are all that matter in the area of health/diet. The leaders of a movement aren't necessarily the same types of people as the stragglers and late-comers, and, right now, we still mostly need leaders, I think, which basically means...more eccentric, strong-willed, evidence-focused empiricists.
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Not preaching or bragging about Raw Paleo might be a good start. Nothing is more annoying then a diet supremacist. What ever diet they are following. When volunteering info like "xxx is bad for you.xxx has to many anti-nutrients.xxx causes cancer growth". It just angers me, I'm sure others feel the same way.
I don't talk about my diet unless someone ask.When offered food I'll normally say, I already ate. I believe it's an insult to decline food if you are a guess. And when asked about what I ate. I talk about it nonchalantly. Bring up stuff like I read xxx culture ate this way so I figured I'd be adventuring & tried it & really liked it.
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Well, on a personal level, I find it rather un-British to focus too much on diet as a sense of identity - I
I mean all those Primal Potlucks and the like are essentially a US thing, not even the raw vegans in the UK are that organised(I think?) That said, I think it would be a great idea to have more rawpalaeo forums(or just more raw animal food-related forums in general) plus more blogs(there are increasingly quite a few along with plentiful youtube videos of raw-meat-eating) - ideally, we could do with some regular interviews with the media like the one that was made a while back to the Times) Also, I've mentioned the notion of rawpalaeo meetups(would be very useful for rawpalaeo newbies) .
What I'd REALLY like to see is a raw animal food and vegetable restaurant in London and other capital cities! If that happens, we've made it. It would even appeal to people who don't usually eat raw meats - for example, there's a big sushi/sashimi craze going on in the last 5-10 years, and there are many restaurants now offering exotic fare such as crococile meat/kangaroo meat for those uninterested in the usual(Italian/Chinese etc.) cuisine.
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Tyler - I'd be happy if I could just order what I like at ANY restaurant without someone saying "but we're required by law to cook the fish, sir".
DeadRamones - I totally agree. However, I have found that when people do ask, they sometimes get more obsessive about what I eat than I am. I have some family & friends who constantly tell me I'm going to get parasites, for example, even though I've eaten raw meats for all of my adult life and before (I'm in my 40s now).
They also bring up the topic and when I answer, accuse me of being preachy when they don't like the answer. Example:
Them - "Why don't you eat bread?"
Me - "Well, I have a simple rule: if you can't eat it raw, don't eat it at all."
Them - "But WHY?"
Then I'll say something about gluten, for example, or humans surviving just fine for 100,000 years without eating wheat & how it can be traced to all manner of current health issues.
Them - "Well sorry we can't all be as manly as you with your raw meat and...", and then mumble something about how obsessed I am.
I examined my responses because I was confused by their reaction, but I've noticed that when they stop trying to change my views, they no longer think I'm being as ass when I answer a simple question.
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Tyler - I'd be happy if I could just order what I like at ANY restaurant without someone saying "but we're required by law to cook the fish, sir".
While some sushi chains probably do heat their raw fish a bit, sashimi restaurants should be fine re obtaining genuinely raw fish(just visit ones frequented and run by japanese people).
Them - "Well sorry we can't all be as manly as you with your raw meat and...", and then mumble something about how obsessed I am.
Re manly quote:- Yes, it's quite funny how much raw animal food in general is seen as having aphrodisiac properties in most cultures.
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Yeah, but I'd like to be able to eat raw tuna at the steak house instead of the manager arguing that he has to cook it at 160 degrees (or whatever it is), but acknowledging that he can bring me a raw (or very rare) hunk of steak.
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Raw animal food restaurant would be nice. But I'm sure it won't ever happen. To much liability & someone will most likely try to sue. Unless it's like a hibachi style where you pick the raw pieces & hand them to the chef to cook in front of you.
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Who cares? I do this diet for myself, and I couldn't care less if others follow. The only thing I care about is that I have access to the foods I want at a reasonable price, as long as I have that everyone can eat whatever they want.
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Three years on and I rarely talk about it, no one cares, people will find you more likable for the fact you eat raw and don't talk about it.
Also I will eat socially, not an issue. Just eat a little bit, I choose cooked meat mainly. You may get a food hangover but don't be a hypochondriac over it.