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Members' Journals => Journals => Topic started by: Caveman on February 01, 2011, 09:01:42 am
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Ok, I just found out through a new colleague that I can have raw milk and other raw animal foods delivered to my town every week from a grass-fed farm which is in a more hidden town over an hour away.. I am so stoked! Originally, I was planning on starting a raw milk/dairy experiment once I arrive in Switzerland in March for four weeks, but I just met someone today who told me all about this and gave me a half a gallon of her raw milk to try out. The milk comes from brown swiss cows which are apparently mainly grass-fed, so what I am getting here should be similar quality to what I will be getting in Switzerland. I am doing this for my health to see if I can benefit from raw milk and/or other dairy. If I really don't do well on this, I probably will stop, but I have yet to see.
Health problems I'm facing are mainly digestive tract related as far as I know. I believe I've developed food intolerances which set off fatigue, cystic acne, digestive problems in general and more that I may not be fully aware of. I've suffered from insomnia for years to varying degrees and I have all the symptoms of estrogen dominance and very low testosterone. My weight has also been going down throughout the years after puberty up until now, while it seems I definitely am gaining at least a little weight because of RAF. It has been 2 months since starting on RAF.
Day 1: I had about 2 cups of the milk around 5:00 PM. It is delicious! I haven't had milk in years, and real milk in over 11 years as I used to drink raw milk as a child in Switzerland. My stomach has been making just a few noises, but it does not seem upset at all so far.
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Good for you. Try to get raw cream aswell :)
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You said you have insomania try raw milk before bed and tell us how it worked for you.
I heard good stuff about warm raw milk and sleep :D
It has some trytophan amino acid or something
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You said you have insomania try raw milk before bed and tell us how it worked for you.
I heard good stuff about warm raw milk and sleep :D
It has some trytophan amino acid or something
I think the opioids in milk cause the drugged effect which makes one go to sleep. I think I read somewhere that the idea is to make calves go to sleep after suckling and not bother the mother.
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I think the opioids in milk cause the drugged effect which makes one go to sleep. I think I read somewhere that the idea is to make calves go to sleep after suckling and not bother the mother.
Tyler, when will you stop this nonsense. Let people try things out for them selves.
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Tyler, when will you stop this nonsense. Let people try things out for them selves.
Not nonsense at all, simply a fact. :-
http://www.13.waisays.com/zombie.htm
From the above:-
"These opioid peptides cause physical dependence in the young, to make sure it wants to drink lots of mother’s milk. Also, it makes the young sleep enough."( 8 ) Koldovsky, O., Search for the role of milk borne biologically active peptides for the suckling. J.Nutr. 1989 / 119 (11) / 1543-1551. , Buts, J.P. Bioactive factors in milk. Arch. Pediatr. 1998 / 5 (3) / 298-306.
More to the point, I was not specifically stating that dairy was bad in that post, I merely pointed out a more likely explanation for why milk is seen as a cure for insomnia, rather than the tryptophan explanation.
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Not nonsense at all, simply a fact. :-
http://www.13.waisays.com/zombie.htm
From the above:-
"These opioid peptides cause physical dependence in the young, to make sure it wants to drink lots of mother’s milk. Also, it makes the young sleep enough."( 8 ) Koldovsky, O., Search for the role of milk borne biologically active peptides for the suckling. J.Nutr. 1989 / 119 (11) / 1543-1551. , Buts, J.P. Bioactive factors in milk. Arch. Pediatr. 1998 / 5 (3) / 298-306.
More to the point, I was not specifically stating that dairy was bad in that post, I merely pointed out a more likely explanation for why milk is seen as a cure for insomnia, rather than the tryptophan explanation.
"Scientific understanding of the biochemistry and pharmacology of casomorphins is incomplete"
There is extremely little research on this matter, as far as I can see this is the only one ever made, by Koldovsky. Aswell as there are plenty of other foods that contain opioid peptides, such as spinach.
So these claims are based on nothing, really. And I can just discredit this right here and now, because I have never ever felt sluggish after eating dairy products. And seeing as I've drunk up to 3 liters a day, I'm sure I would've felt a profound effect by now.
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"Scientific understanding of the biochemistry and pharmacology of casomorphins is incomplete"
Claiming that the science behind casomorphins is not complete is meaningless. The same weak argument can be used to justify debunking just about every other study on the effect of foods on human health, as food-science is so new a field - I mean, it's not as though we need to wait until the scientific evidence is as solid as the science behind the theory of gravity or evolution. The point is that there is sufficient scientific evidence for now for the effect of opioids on human health, sometimes positive, sometimes negative. As to the extent of that effect, that depends on individuals' genetics/health etc. etc.
There is extremely little research on this matter, as far as I can see this is the only one ever made, by Koldovsky. Aswell as there are plenty of other foods that contain opioid peptides, such as spinach.
Hmm, just checking online, I quickly found a number of studies done on opioids and their effect on the human brain. While some focus on how opioids in general affect the maternal bond between mother and child, other studies focus on the negative effects of milk-opioids on health. Here's a sample:-
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19932941
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1374738
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17666771
http://aut.sagepub.com/content/3/1/85.abstract
etc. etc.
And the argument that other foods contain opioids is not really relevant. After all, many foods contain some similiarities but affect people in different ways. For example, heat-created toxins are formed in both animal foods and plant foods, but since they are formed, via cooking, in animal foods to a much greater extent and in greater varieties(heterocyclic amines etc.) than found in plant foods, cooked animal foods cause more immediate harm to health than cooked plant foods. So opioids in spinach may well be less of a problem than opioids in dairy. Plus, spinach really has to be eaten in cooked form, to release enough nutrients, so is hardly a rawpalaeo food.
So these claims are based on nothing, really. And I can just discredit this right here and now, because I have never ever felt sluggish after eating dairy products. And seeing as I've drunk up to 3 liters a day, I'm sure I would've felt a profound effect by now.
We all have different genetics so you may be an immune, for all I know- besides, dairy is so heavily implicated in Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, that it rather debunks the notion that opioids can have no effects. Plus, I and plenty of other RVAFers have had chronic fatigue as a direct result of raw dairy.
I will grant that I did get some short-term boost to energy-levels shortly after consuming dairy, way back before I started seriously deteriorating in health. But given similiar related experiences of raw-dairy-drinking early on during my RVAF diet days(invariably followed by extreme fatigue), I can safely state that the dairy was in those days giving me a false, "feel-good" effect while steadily burning out and wrecking my adrenals over time.
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Back to the journal:-
Personally, I think everyone has to try raw dairy sometime on a RVAF diet - most, indeed, usually try raw dairy well before even trying raw meats. And, on a psychological level, it's much easier to get used to the taste of raw dairy than raw meats, due to social conditioning, plus you don't get any funny looks from people if you consume raw dairy openly in public, whereas tearing a raw steak(!) with one's jaws would.
That said, I'm a but surprised re your mention of estrogen as there is some data on estrogen and dairy:-
http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html
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Thanks for the added discussion, guys!
I did actually sleep much better than usual last night.
I realize that dairy contains substances in it which could complicate health issues like mine further, but I know it has the possibility to help heal as well.
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I think the opioids in milk cause the drugged effect which makes one go to sleep. I think I read somewhere that the idea is to make calves go to sleep after suckling and not bother the mother.
When I was drinking 1 - 3 litres of raw milk per day, during my PrimalDiet phase, I sometimes
slept 14 hours a day.
Löwenherz
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Oh no, opioid crazed raw milk drinkers are taking over the forum.
I've been drinking it daily for a month now and have not had any problems with it.
Aajonus and his primal dieters have been drinking it forever. If these health deteriorating effects were that common it would have been mentioned in his books\dvds\talks. The primal dieters I've seen look incredibly healthy and robust.
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I've been drinking it daily for a month now and have not had any problems with it.
Aajonus and his primal dieters have been drinking it forever. If these health deteriorating effects were that common it would have been mentioned in his books\dvds\talks. The primal dieters I've seen look incredibly healthy and robust.
A touching naivety there! Aajonus is a grade-A liar and happily lies about PD-disasters, calling them supposedly "detox"!!! etc.
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Day 2:
Drank about two cups again around 5 PM. Feeling good, but had the usual symptoms during the day.
I noticed my skin seems to be getting a little more oily/less dry. I've always had extremely dry skin and my acne was at its worst when it was extremely dry.
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Oh no, opioid crazed raw milk drinkers are taking over the forum.
I've been drinking it daily for a month now and have not had any problems with it.
A month is not much. Too short to talk about results.
How long have you been on your zero carb diet?
Please keep us informed...
Löwenherz
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Day 3:
I had the usual fatigue today, skin is ok. I had some really seemingly good and healthy bowel movements in the morning and a little later. Without the milk, I would basically be constipated for at least a week at a time unless something triggered diarrhea. So, this was the first time I had a good bowel movement in weeks, maybe close to a month even. Whether this is good or not, the milk seems to get my bowels moving.
This time I drank 2 cups on an empty stomach at noon. I really felt good at this point for a few hours until I started going on a raw honey binge. I managed to go almost all day without the honey until the fatigue and tiredness came back. I feel like I need it at times, but I rarely can control myself with how much I eat. After the honey, I had some cramping and then onto this weird partial diarrhea I usually get. This bowel movement basically just seems to be yellow/orange, oily, liquid with small bits of partially formed brown stools. Sorry to get graphic. I think this is from the amount of fat I eat and has been happening ever since eating a decent amount of raw animal fats. However, I think this only happens when I overdo it with the honey and eat it with fats..
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How long have you been on your zero carb diet?
Not just ZC but Raw Zero Carb for close to half a year. Before that more than half a year Raw Paleo. And before that fruitarian for almost a year. The thing is, energy wise I did fantastic on RZC. If it wasn't for some sleep problems I ran into I would still be on it.
But I'm quite happy with how it all turned out.
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Day 4:
I slept much better than usual last night, yet I still haven't reached that deep state of sleep I really need and have been deprived of for a long time.
Once again, had the usual fatigue. Skin is softer, not as dry and looks better than usual. Definitely not any increased acne since starting the milk, which I am surprised by.
I had about 3 cups of milk in the morning with 8 raw egg yolks and felt an immediate boost in energy that lasted for at least 2 hours. After that, I was fatigued until after 4 PM, when my body kind of seems to get some kind of hormonal or adrenal boost and I feel much better in every way. Worked out/lifted weights intensely for maybe 20 minutes, finished the half gallon of milk (just one cup was left) and had more egg yolks and now I am feeling absolutely wonderful. At these times I am always reminded of the importance of somewhat intense physical activity/exercise in healing the body. The body absolutely needs to get moving in some way and the hormones released from the intense exercises seem to be healing to me in some way and are just beneficial in many ways considering my hormonal imbalances.
Since I am now out of milk, I will be going by to see the farmer that delivers all kinds of raw animal foods tomorrow to sign up with his cow-share program in hopes of getting some more milk and possibly butter, cream or colostrum. If I can't get any tomorrow, I'll have to go without it for at least a day. I might make the one and a half hour trip on Saturday to get lots of stuff at the farm itself.
So far, I am loving my experience with raw milk.
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And before that fruitarian for almost a year. The thing is, energy wise I did fantastic on RZC. If it wasn't for some sleep problems I ran into I would still be on it.
But I'm quite happy with how it all turned out.
Just sleep problems? No other issues? Maybe some carbs would have done the trick...
The fact that you had no other problems would strengthen my theory that I really had a severe food poisoning from very bad meats. I got extremely ill on RZC.
Anyway, you needed one year to get bad results. Therefore I mentionend that drinking raw milk for only one month is not long enough to get the answers.
BTW: Tomorrow I will buy some meat from www.herefords.nl...
Groetjes,
Löwenherz
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In the beginning of my eating raw animal foods I would get very tired drinking milk/ cream. Waking up in the morning having a glass an going right back to sleep sometimes. Recently I continued drinking cream and I love it! Tastes great, feels great. Acne comes and goes but my skin around the eruption sites looks much better.
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I also used to get a drugged, "feel-good" energetic feeling for at least 30 minutes after drinking raw milk, followed by a period of significant fatigue afterwards.
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I also used to get a drugged, "feel-good" energetic feeling for at least 30 minutes after drinking raw milk, followed by a period of significant fatigue afterwards.
"Drugged, feel good energetic feeling"
This is the general effect when you drink a large volume of something high in sugar. Sugar spike and then a sugar slump.
So all this time, all your ranting is just because you don't understand the basic mechanics of simple sugars? Jesus.
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Day 5:
Success!
I signed up with the cow-share program and am now getting a gallon of raw milk every week. I also picked up two jars of yogurt (made with the raw milk) and eggs which also come from the guy's farm.
I had a good amount of the yogurt when I got home, don't know exactly how much, and once again about two cups of milk. Feeling great, whether I am "drugged" or not. I've found I am on the right track when I feel better, so I am not scared, but I will be aware of how everything affects me.
I ordered a good amount of meat, fat and liver from Slankers yesterday, however, it will be here in about a week. This means I don't really have any meat for about a week, as I can't get completely grass-fed meat in my area unless we can make the drive. I've been eating lots of eggs (primarily the yolks), up to a dozen (12) a day if I don't have much of anything else to eat. I used to eat uncured bacon and have decided to cut it out completely again. I already cut out the bacon for a few weeks, but didn't have any other good sources of fat like I do now with eggs, dairy and beef fat, so I went back to eating it for a while just for the fat content which made me feel better at times.
Basically, I might be living off of eggs and milk/yogurt and honey for close to a week. Sounds stupid, but that might be my only option right now and I'll be able to see how I react further, so I am excited
Also, once again, sleep seems to have been improving one way or another ever since starting drinking milk. I have to throw this out there too.. I got massive "wood" last night while I was sleeping and waking up, but without any sexual desires or dreams. Keep in mind, this hasn't happened to me for a long time now. I do think all of the weight lifting has been paying off. Not only am I getting beneficial hormones I really need here, but I am gaining muscle mass like I haven't ever before.
On the topic of testosterone and hormones, I started a 7 natural supplement cycle today. This means I am using 7 different natural/herbal supplements which aid the body in producing healthy levels of testosterone, one supplement at a time, switching them up every day. I had much less fatigue today.
About getting "drugged" by the raw milk.. I never feel any more fatigued or worse in any way from the raw milk throughout the day than I would on a usual day when I was just eating raw meat. I remember trying out whey protein last summer.. THAT stuff basically made me collapse and I could barely walk.. same with hemp seed protein. So far, I have not had any ill effects from the milk.. I DO feel better than usual.
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In the beginning of my eating raw animal foods I would get very tired drinking milk/ cream. Waking up in the morning having a glass an going right back to sleep sometimes. Recently I continued drinking cream and I love it! Tastes great, feels great. Acne comes and goes but my skin around the eruption sites looks much better.
Is the cream you get liquid? I've only had super thick cream and it was fairly revolting to mix with anything but berries or something. Of course I seem to be the only one that thinks eating gobs of butter is gross too so go figure. I could be fuzzy/different now and I'm trying cream soon from goat which will be the first time in like 2 years.
This is the general effect when you drink a large volume of something high in sugar. Sugar spike and then a sugar slump.
My soon to be shot down suspicion is most detractors have either experience with: pasteurized dairy, drinking fresh unfermented cold milk, and 'raw' salted grain-fed cheese from wholefoods and similar places, and that is about it. If I was to eat these things, they would cause 'massive' problems for me too. Likely the same people have less than 6 months eating pure dairy fat sans such things as part of a otherwise healthy diet. People are free to extrapolate on whatever problems they have and relate them to whatever 'science' or 'paleo' type theories (and some may have never seriously experimented/tried to adjust to dairy at all). At the same time plenty of people do notice differences in the types of dairy they eat, as well as changes over time of being able to consume them that correspond with an increase in health, and not the opposite. Heck, most of this stuff gave me all sorts of problems in the beginning and I still can't drink (much) fresh milk successfully. Since it seems to me the same reasons people are drawn to a paleo type diet in the first place is gut issues/heavy metals etc.., its no mystery that many people have a hard time with the composition of fresh milk, not to mention that the high carb content is somewhat problematic in quantity anyway, at least depending on the type of diet one is on.
just my take.
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It is strange.. considering I developed sensitivities to almost any food from my horrible state of health, I thought even raw dairy would give me massive problems. Like I said, I can't say I've had any bad experiences at all so far. I did grow up with occasional raw milk and other raw dairy in Switzerland, though, so maybe it might be a genetic thing here..
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"Drugged, feel good energetic feeling"
This is the general effect when you drink a large volume of something high in sugar. Sugar spike and then a sugar slump.
So all this time, all your ranting is just because you don't understand the basic mechanics of simple sugars? Jesus.
Nonsense, of course. I have previously eaten foods/drinks very high in sugar and never once did they have the same powerful drugged effect and massive fatigue on me as raw dairy gave me. So, the raw dairy clearly was affecting my adrenals in an unpleasant way.
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My soon to be shot down suspicion is most detractors have either experience with: pasteurized dairy, drinking fresh unfermented cold milk, and 'raw' salted grain-fed cheese from wholefoods and similar places, and that is about it. If I was to eat these things, they would cause 'massive' problems for me too. Likely the same people have less than 6 months eating pure dairy fat sans such things as part of a otherwise healthy diet. People are free to extrapolate on whatever problems they have and relate them to whatever 'science' or 'paleo' type theories (and some may have never seriously experimented/tried to adjust to dairy at all).
The big lie of raw-dairy diets is that butter is always fine or that raw dairy is fine or just needs a little tweaking such as drinking it at room-temperature. This has led to many people like myself fruitlessly experimenting with dairy, some for years, before they finally recognise that all dairy types as a whole are bad for them. Sure, some types of dairy are "less worse" as they have fewer carbs or whatever, but that doesn't make them healthy.
For the record, ages ago, before RPD diets, I used to consume a lot of raw milk and cheeses in the south of France for a month at a time(no pasteurised at all during that period), and I still had fatigue issues with them. The dairy came from grassfed cows from peasant farmers nearby.
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For the record, ages ago, before RPD diets, I used to consume a lot of raw milk and cheeses in the south of France for a month at a time(no pasteurised at all during that period), and I still had fatigue issues with them. The dairy came from grassfed cows from peasant farmers nearby.
Raw dairy wasn't the problem. How your body reacted to it IS. To claim that raw dairy is bad for everyone just because 'when you eat it you get problems' is the wrong way to go about it.
There's people in the rawfoods movement who've been consuming it in vast quantities for decades now and they report no such issues with it. In fact they claim it made them stronger and more vigorous.
Therefore I mentionend that drinking raw milk for only one month is not long enough to get the answers.
I agree, was just reporting my experience so far.
Also, once again, sleep seems to have been improving one way or another ever since starting drinking milk. I have to throw this out there too.. I got massive "wood" last night while I was sleeping and waking up, but without any sexual desires or dreams. Keep in mind, this hasn't happened to me for a long time now. I do think all of the weight lifting has been paying off. Not only am I getting beneficial hormones I really need here, but I am gaining muscle mass like I haven't ever before.
Morning wood is a sign of true vitality returning to the body and empowering the whole system. You are well on your way to regaining true health and unleashing your potential as an individual.
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Raw dairy wasn't the problem. How your body reacted to it IS. To claim that raw dairy is bad for everyone just because 'when you eat it you get problems' is the wrong way to go about it.
I haven't suggested that it is bad for absolutely everyone. I am aware that some people seem to thrive on the stuff. I merely point out that more people appear to suffer, healthwise, from dairy-consumption than thrive on it. There are, of course, other issues, aside from health. For example, raw dairy is banned in many regions of the world so it is more difficult to obtain than raw, grassfed meats. Plus, raw dairy is not essential per se; that is, there is nothing in raw dairy that can't be got from eating other raw animal foods.
Morning wood is a sign of true vitality returning to the body and empowering the whole system. You are well on your way to regaining true health and unleashing your potential as an individual.
Not perhaps always true. I, for example, had a frequent problem with an overly high sex-drive when I was very, very ill, pre-RPD diet, and had morning wood all the time. I think it was Craig(?) who suggested an interesting, unusual explanation for such symptoms:- the idea is that when men are ill/facing death, the body "tells" the brain to go out looking for sex so as to quickly pass on one's genes before the man dies; when women are seriously ill, the body "tells" the brain to avoid sex as there is no point in being pregnant and burdening the body when one is anyway going to die shortly.
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I also used to get a drugged, "feel-good" energetic feeling for at least 30 minutes after drinking raw milk, followed by a period of significant fatigue afterwards.
Yep.
plus bloody eyes, nervousness, anxiety, euphoria, massive weight gain, delayed healing, paleness etc. etc. ...
Löwenherz
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Day 6:
Everything's just getting better. Almost no more acne, much smoother, softer skin, not dry anymore. I've been having steady energy levels and a much more clear mind, no more brain fog as far as I can tell at the moment. Steady gain in muscle (I work out at least twice a week, high intensity, no longer than 20 to 30 minutes). The quality and quantity of my sleep has also increased steadily. I used to be up literally all night a few times a week. Now, there's been massive improvement here. Yesterday, I didn't even go to bed being too tired, yet I wanted to sleep and just fell asleep within minutes. This sleep was actually incredibly refreshing, compared to the nights I had when I would just seem to be in a state of half-sleep, half-awake. If I would ever get any sleep in the past, it would take me at least over an hour.
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I merely point out that more people appear to suffer, healthwise, from dairy-consumption than thrive on it.
The 'more people appear to suffer' applies mostly to pasteurized dairy as most problems go away when raw dairy is consumed (unless you're part of the group not yet evolved\adapted to extract nutrients from it). Whole books have been written about just this topic, raw vs pasteurized, health promoting vs health destroying.
Not perhaps always true. I, for example, had a frequent problem with an overly high sex-drive when I was very, very ill, pre-RPD diet, and had morning wood all the time. I think it was Craig(?) who suggested an interesting, unusual explanation for such symptoms:- the idea is that when men are ill/facing death, the body "tells" the brain to go out looking for sex so as to quickly pass on one's genes before the man dies;
The dude ain't facing death. The raw milk isn't killing him. Nice try but his health seems to be improving.
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The 'more people appear to suffer' applies mostly to pasteurized dairy as most problems go away when raw dairy is consumed
sadly it also applies to raw dairy as well, since it is the raw food most complained about on RVAF diet forums. The trouble is that while raw dairy is a bit less worse than pasteurised dairy, that doesn´t make it healthy.
Also, whether caveman does fine or suffers from it, depends on his own long-term experimentation(though I have 1 or 2 minor concerns of a personal nature, since some of his reports re symptoms echo my own initial experiences with raw dairy). Anyway, why should i care about a few outliers/exceptions which merely prove the rule?
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What amuses me about absurd claims re a few people supposedly somehow having "evolved" to adapt to raw milk is that there is an unspoken implication that such rare people are "highly evolved mutants" who are a master-race somehow superior to the lowly majority who are not so adapted to raw dairy. If these pro-raw-dairy-advocates/fanatics had done just a little scientific research beforehand, they would have come to recognise that almost all mutations are invariably harmful to survival, with the tiny remainder of such mutations being mostly useless, and only a tiny few others actually being beneficial. Indeed, many of those very few beneficial mutations, while beneficial in some circumstances, can be harmful in other situations. A classic example of such a mutation is sickle-cell anaemia, which protects against malaria but causes serious problems when at high altitude etc.
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Shouldn't you be trying to catch up? ;)
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Day 7:
Slept very good and felt great until a little later in the day. I know I've had a sensitivity to eggs, specifically egg whites. I can't completely separate all the white from the yolk, there is always some white in there when I eat my eggs. This might be holding me back a bit, at least when I eat too much (I have been eating a dozen a day). I felt fatigued after eating the eggs. I always eat my raw dairy/milk separately and I waited over an hour until eating the eggs. Of course, it is a possibility that the milk could no longer be doing me as good as in the beginning (which seems to happen with so many diet experiments I've done), but I am more suspecting the raw yogurt. When I started eating the yogurt, I'd become a bit bloated after every time I ate more than just a few spoonfuls. Bloating was gone with just raw milk and no yogurt. Now, I'm out of yogurt for at least 3 days so I will see what will happen further. I've actually never done well with any fermented foods, but I also tend to overeat on them, whether it's sauerkraut, kim-chi, kefir, kombucha, yogurt.. the result always seems to be bloating if I don't strictly minimize my intake. I felt like I had to try the yogurt, as it has been so long and I want to try as many raw dairy products as possible, within reason.
Still, I am feeling good, much better than before.
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Not perhaps always true. I, for example, had a frequent problem with an overly high sex-drive when I was very, very ill, pre-RPD diet, and had morning wood all the time. I think it was Craig(?) who suggested an interesting, unusual explanation for such symptoms:- the idea is that when men are ill/facing death, the body "tells" the brain to go out looking for sex so as to quickly pass on one's genes before the man dies; when women are seriously ill, the body "tells" the brain to avoid sex as there is no point in being pregnant and burdening the body when one is anyway going to die shortly.
This reminds me of my situation. I was real ill right before I met my wife. I was feeling sick and alone, I thought I would never recover my health and be able to have a family; then some type of instinctual process forced its self upon me and compelled me to reach out and grab a mate( It was like I had no choice in the matter. I was able to keep up appearances(faking wellness) and swoon the lady off her feet while hiding my health problems. She was pregnant within the first 2 months. I eventually exhausted my self once the endorphins died down and was eventually forced to let her know how bad my health could get, but by then she had already settled in with me. I respect her for putting up with my sickness for so long, and now that I am well I continue to breed her as a sign of gratitude for her devotion to me.
Anyway I somehow feel that there is a grain of truth in that off the wall statement, at least from my experience.
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I though yogurt was healthy because after using antibiotics it did seem to help restore gut bacteria, but it caused other problems that were hard to figure out. I eventually had to remove all dairy from my diet. It seems that many people in my family will become dairy intolerant in their early 20s. I think I became dairy intolerant but I was to stuburn to give it up and was constantly looking for cleaner brands and non homogenized, goats milk, etc. By the time I got to use raw milk I was prediabetic and milk would make my blood sugars raise. I have now gotten so convinced that dairy isn't for me that I have given up on experimentation.
Eggs are a food that I believe quality often affects the way one tolerates them. I have back yard chicken that are free ranged, I will feed them some slop bucket scraps from time to time as well, I seem to have no trouble eating the whole eggs from my own chickens, but If I buy store bought eggs it seems to be a crap shoot, some brands seem to be good , but other brands will taste bitter, or sometimes make me feel bad.
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What amuses me about absurd claims re a few people supposedly somehow having "evolved" to adapt to raw milk is that there is an unspoken implication that such rare people are "highly evolved mutants" who are a master-race somehow superior to the lowly majority who are not so adapted to raw dairy.
They are indeed superior in a way.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/science/10cnd-evolve.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/science/10cnd-evolve.html?_r=1)
Genetic evidence shows that the mutations conferred an enormous selective advantage on their owners, enabling them to leave almost 10 times as many descendants as people without them. The mutations have created “one of the strongest genetic signatures of natural selection yet reported in humans,” the researchers write.
auch
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Shame you have such weak genes Tyler ;D
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They are indeed superior in a way.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/science/10cnd-evolve.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/science/10cnd-evolve.html?_r=1)
auch
That's absurd as a claim. I mean, most of the world(75 percent) is lactose-intolerant to some extent, so if consuming milk really gave such an overwhelming advantage re 10 times the population-increase, one would naturally expect there to be very few people left in the world who could not tolerate dairy. And one would expect more dairy-tolerant populations like Northern Europeans to comprise most of the world's population.
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Day 8:
No more yogurt, feeling much better. Just eating egg yolks and milk throughout the day. I'm really feeling good, though.
I went on a scale today and weighed myself. I wanted to know if I'd gained any weight. Like I said, I've definitely gained muscle through the high intensity weight training I've been doing. I see and feel a big difference in my muscles, yet, according to the scale, I did not gain any weight. If anything, it could have been one pound more than the last time I checked over two weeks ago. I wish I would have seen some weight gain, but I'm not too disappointed because my body is looking much better.
By the way, I've always been drinking at least two cups of raw milk every day. Everything in moderation.
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Day 9:
I'll keep this one short, not much happened on this day. I didn't sleep well like I have been, since starting my testosterone boosting herbs plus raw dairy, due to some emotional stress. This affected my energy and mood through the day, but I still felt ok overall. The stress has been sorted.
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Day 10:
Ok. Decent sleep from the night before. Felt great all day, lots of energy.
I tried some new things once again. My mom tempted me with some raw chocolate she found. I usually had bad effects from cacao regarding my adrenals before I went on raw animal foods. I didn't have too much, but it was delicious and there was no negative effect. In fact, my mood was great and I had no crash.
My father bought some goji berries and just wanted to try some, as I've always loved goji berries. They were delicious and I felt good afterwords.
Also, I saw some raw goat's cheese today and just wanted to try it. I've been short on calories lately from just having eggs, honey and milk all day and this cheese is really dense in nutrients. Last time I had any goat dairy product in the summer, I immediately felt sick, like I got a fever with fatigue. I almost ate the whole piece of cheese (not too large, but about 880 calories worth) and have felt great ever since, kind of like a boost of energy. As of yet, I don't think I have felt any negative effects, my stomach has even been feeling great. I would think that it could give me some real problems regarding digestion. However, I'll see how I feel later tonight and tomorrow..
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Day 11:
Holy shit.
Ok, I've had a little too much energy today.. I don't know exactly which hormone it is, but I hope it's not an increase in any stress hormone like cortisol..
My workout helped, but I find it really hard to relax today.. this is like the opposite of usual. I know this has nothing to do with the dairy, though. It must be the cycle of testosterone supplements I've been using. I am on the first day of the second week. If this continues like this, I will stop using any supplement up to a few days until I feel like I need it.
Besides this crazy energy and mental alertness/clarity (and I thought I was mentally active during my heavy brain-fog days.. wow, I think way too much), I am feeling great.
I just feel great emotionally. My skin is now incredibly soft and smooth and not dry or rough at all anymore. Also, still no more acne, wow. I feel my face a lot from going through hell with acne and almost all I've wanted for years was to be rid of it, so every once in a while I do feel a tiny spot come on a little sore, but it does not progress and goes away within hours if I just forget about it. I am noticing just more and more facial hair. Of course all of my effort on boosting testosterone is the biggest factor here, but I still have noticed NO negative reactions to any dairy I've had so far.
I received more than two quarts of beautiful, yellow, frozen colostrum from the farmer today for cheap. 6 dollars for a quart of it. I was surprised by how yellow it is. Literally looks just like egg yolks. Even though it's not completely fresh, it should still do something, it is still a food.
Since I received my Slanker's order today, I'll have more variety in my diet once again. Lots of great muscle meat, liver and fat. I am doing a minimum of 1 to 2 cups of raw milk a day.
With all of this energy, I can still relax, I just have to get off of the computer and stop thinking. It is completely due to my overactive mind, which I've always had, I have an addiction to thinking and it just seems to be stimulating some hormone. Time to do some EFT.
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One thing also came to mind.. could I be experiencing high blood pressure? My heart does seem to be racing a bit. The cheese I have been eating contains lots of sodium.. however, I didn't notice any difference after eating it, but it could have caused it a few hours later..
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good for you man for troubleshooting this stuff on your own...I may even try fresh milk again this spring based on your progress. I've only had poor quality milk and tended to OD on it (1 gallon on some days) because the place I went was so far and I couldn't go more than once a week and didn't make sense to get such small volume. So like many people, thats hardly a decent trial. I have had decent improvements it seems with sugars generally, which I tend to think are the root of many peoples fresh milk issues, but its possible some people might do better with such sugars (like with organ meats) than fruit and starch sugars which can ferment.
One thing also came to mind.. could I be experiencing high blood pressure? My heart does seem to be racing a bit. The cheese I have been eating contains lots of sodium.. however, I didn't notice any difference after eating it, but it could have caused it a few hours later..
I don't know what supplements you are taking or how they work but if you are concerned go buy a little kit to take your blood pressure.
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This topic is interesting. I'll be interested to see how things go for the long term. Many people report significant changes or improvements in the short term after making a major dietary change, however, it is how things go month after month and year after year that truly matters.
In my case I thought I had great improvement when I first changed from SAD to vegan 30 years ago. Short term results were great. It was the long term that did me in. Just don't get too caught up in your own press and be willing to change if things start to go south....
Lex
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KD, thanks for keeping a more positive outlook. It's nice to not hear any biased negativity against raw dairy once in a while. By the way, I saw your most recent picture, you look like a beast (in a great way). Very inspiring.
This makes sense. I actually stopped using any salt for a long time, but yesterday when I went for the cheese, I had an almost unquenchable thirst lasting until I went to bed. Keep in mind, I ate a whole $6 block of of the cheese which is around 900 calories. So, I'll start eating little to no cheese (it just tastes amazing and has been giving me very healthy bowel movements, which is interesting regarding something I read about Aajonus stating that raw cheese absorbs toxins or something along those lines).
Many things do get a bad wrap in today's overly confusing technical world of science. Also, most people tend to preach against things which gave the individual bad experience. I've gone through so many different diets, lifestyles, supplements, and programs. I've preached how unhealthy everything is, but as I found what was good for me, I changed my mind, became less critical..
What kind of "poor quality milk" was it that you consumed, KD? Grain fed? What type of cow?
I have access to brown swiss cows which are grass-fed and really cared for, so this is very important. I have a long history of overeating/overdosing on just about anything I can put in my body. Surprisingly, I was able to control myself with the milk at about 2 cups for the limit a day. I am now drinking a little more because I can buy additional half-gallon jugs for just $5. You can have bad experiences with anything, no matter how healthy or unhealthy they are, in too high of doses.
I never read much about the whole Eat Right For Your Type diet, but recently did a bit of reading and saw that blood type B, I think it was, can thrive off of meat and dairy. Whenever I get a chance to check my blood type, I'll do it as I'm really interested. This seems to be the first time where my body is telling me what I am doing is good for me as much as I think it is. I did ok on true Raw Paleo, but now things are just above and beyond..
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This topic is interesting. I'll be interested to see how things go for the long term. Many people report significant changes or improvements in the short term after making a major dietary change, however, it is how things go month after month and year after year that truly matters.
In my case I thought I had great improvement when I first changed from SAD to vegan 30 years ago. Short term results were great. It was the long term that did me in. Just don't get too caught up in your own press and be willing to change if things start to go south....
Lex
Very wise words, and I agree. However, after trying almost everything for over 3 years, I kept telling myself that I was just going through detox day after day, week after week, month after month.. until my health worsened to a much worse extent than when I was eating SAD. In the last 2 to 3 months when I started on this raw animal food journey, it was the first time I felt and saw an improvement, yet I still have had to make improvements and I bet I still do to this point. I believe in changing things up when we need them..
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Day 10:
I almost ate the whole piece of cheese (not too large, but about 880 calories worth) and have felt great ever since,
This makes sense. I actually stopped using any salt for a long time, but yesterday when I went for the cheese, I had an almost unquenchable thirst lasting until I went to bed. Keep in mind, I ate a whole $6 block of of the cheese which is around 900 calories. So, I'll start eating little to no cheese (it just tastes amazing and has been giving me very healthy bowel movements, which is interesting regarding something I read about Aajonus stating that raw cheese absorbs toxins or something along those lines).
yeah, I was going to say that ain't no small piece of cheese! probably better to stick to small amounts (at least during your milk trial) if you can whether Aajonus is correct or not. I think he says salted cheese or heated cheese (not that you are eating that) then IS food not a sponge or whatever.
What kind of "poor quality milk" was it that you consumed, KD? Grain fed? What type of cow?
supposedly not grain-fed, but fed on 100% hay with no pasture, kept in a barn never let outside. I actually felt awful going there.
I never read much about the whole Eat Right For Your Type diet, but recently did a bit of reading and saw that blood type B, I think it was, can thrive off of meat and dairy. Whenever I get a chance to check my blood type, I'll do it as I'm really interested. This seems to be the first time where my body is telling me what I am doing is good for me as much as I think it is. I did ok on true Raw Paleo, but now things are just above and beyond..
sure. basically the reason I eat raw butter isn't because I think its utterly fantastic, I just can't get optimal amounts of fresh fat though marrow or fresh back fat and things, and even if I could I would still probably be able to employ it in my diet whether it was eating with fruits or other foods. This week I have no dairy so just ate suet. I like to eat seafood and often there is no other animal fat that goes with seafood. Sounds kind of dumb I guess but for me thats important flexibility. I also get extremely thirsty eating just suet or other frozen fats even when I drink more. I don't get much dryness otherwise like I did years ago, but any kinds can become exacerbated without fresh fats. Of course I wouldn't really be able to tell what differnce it would make until long term yay or nay..but it seems health can considerably increase for me at least for the moment. AS you say perhaps things will change, or i'll go in the opposite direction and eat more dairy and less meat due to my ancestry, who knows.
I tend to buy into some of the other theories around dairy that like eating raw meat or raw fish it can replace specific internal materials that were formed by poor quality similar products. If people didn't have these problems accumulated in the same way, perhaps they could do better on no dairy and even cooking than I can. Or perhaps they will just have more symptoms from those raw foods. There is no way to know for certain that this is true, but I think even some old school raw guys like Van (with meats/fish) and a number or Primal Diet people (of course) have attested to this at least as being possible. I believe you are Swiss correct? i'm Swiss/Eastern European mix. My maternal grandfather was very stickly and my dad always tells me how no one in my family (As Americans anyway) was ever big or strong. :) so I believe to a certain degree we can fudge our expression, but its important sometimes to acknowledge it.
edit: 'perhaps i am really 'Easter' European, but I believe its Eastern :)
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Ah, yes, I am Swiss. I'm just a small part Italian, but as far as we can trace back on my father's side of the family, we are just completely Swiss. However, I heard something about a possibility that a very long time ago, one of our ancestors traveled there from the east. Were your grandparents directly from Europe then?
You sure do look "big and strong" to me, haha. That's kind of funny. My father was a real "natural" bodybuilder back in the day. He's a really short guy, but he was huge and had almost no body fat all from a typical, but healthier, Swiss diet. He told me he drank lots of raw milk and other raw dairy and of course ate regular muesli (basically real, raw oatmeal) like most Swiss folk do.
I'm much taller than him, but have also been pretty damn weak all of my life. Whether such things are encoded into our genetics or not, I believe we can always change our lives completely if we wish to do so.
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Day 12:
Felt good overall, but have been eating much more than usual and experienced some fatigue in the afternoon, although it wasn't as bad as I used to have it. I was trying out some D-Ribose in the last two days because I read it can be great for chronic fatigue. Turns out it seems to give me more of a sugar spike and crash than any other carb has ever given me. I felt great from it at first, and then I felt jittery and weak. I would say I felt more tired than fatigued. It's supposed to not only help with energy production but sleep. This happens with many people, although others still seem to benefit from it. Raw honey would never make me feel like this. If anything, it would affect me only slightly. So, I stopped with the D-Ribose after yesterday. I felt better before taking it.
And again, I have to say, my skin is just better than it has been in at least 6 years. Incredibly soft, smooth and CLEAR. Very happy with this. I still get some blackheads sometimes, but not real acne. There's just lots of scarring from some of the worst years in my life, but this is all behind me.
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Day 13:
A great day!
Only had very minor fatigue for around 2 hours or so in the late afternoon (this is when it almost always hits me, just before night time around 6 PM, and my energy levels return).
No more of that D-Ribose. No supplements besides the herbal testosterone boosters. However, I'll admit I've been eating raw chocolate in the last few days up until now, right along with more fatigue, but I don't know if this is the main cause. No more chocolate. My mom just bought a ton of it along with goji berries, and it has been incredibly tempting, but no more. Also, I haven't had that overwhelming energy and feeling of having possible high blood pressure anymore.
I haven't even touched any raw honey in two days. I don't crave it like I used to.
I have been eating lots and lots of raw dairy. Actually, today I almost only had raw dairy (besides the raw chocolate and egg yolks), but it seems like I had a lot of it. Maybe 4 cups of milk, a good amount of goat's and cow's cheese (but not too much like before), and here's the crazy part. At least half a quart of the almost fresh yellow colostrum. I just kept spooning it out throughout the day. So, in the last two days, I finished a whole bag (a little over a quart) of colostrum. It seems like I ate so much today, but looking back, I think that I just went a little crazy with the colostrum and the raw chocolate was just making me so addicted that I started craving any food and just ate and ate. I did feel better eating basically just one meal a day, so I'll try to work my way back to that and eat less.
Despite eating so much of these foods, I have had absolutely no digestive discomfort. The last time I had digestive discomfort was from combining goji berries and/or honey with anything else or yogurt.
Sleep has been fairly well, but I find myself only being able to sleep around 5 hours maximum and then being in an awake state. If I choose to and manage to fall back asleep, I'll wake up at a normal time (always a little before 7 AM) feeling like I have a hangover.
About my testosterone levels and the supplements I am taking. I have found that certain supplements affect me much more than others. Whenever I feel better in every single way, I was taking horny goat weed and mucuna. The rest of the time, I might feel slight to almost no change.
Skin remains great, however I got a sunburn today after a beautiful day and put some colostrum on my face topically. Feels great.
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Day 14:
Have to keep this one short. Nothing much to report on. Just a bit fatigued in the afternoon. Basically an average day, but I am still working on increasing that standard.
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do you notice any differences after drinking colostrum compared to milk?
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Day 15:
Good day. Ate a little over 1000 calories in the morning (raw milk, raw cheese, raw colostrum) and then did some weight training around noon. My dad was using my weights and took a few pounds off of the dumbbell I use and I decided to just go with it and try doing more reps with a little less weight than usual. I felt really good all throughout the workout. It didn't feel like I was killing myself or anything, yet my muscles were burning more than usual and seemed a bit more pumped and sore after. So, it was still pretty intense and I felt great all day since training. I'll have to see how this turns out for me if I keep at it. I would always kind of do a little more weight than my muscles could properly handle, if you know what I mean. Proper form can be critical.
I am completely gaining muscle, though. I look a lot more "normal" now than I did just a few weeks/months ago. I was quite skinny. I am very satisfied with this now.
My skin is just amazing for me. I'll get a blackhead or two which tend to go away after a day anyway, but besides that I am clear and have the smoothest skin I've probably ever had.
I actually still haven't been eating any meat. My Slanker's order was supposed to arrive last week, but they were short on some of the meat, so I now have to wait another week or so. Either way, it's fine. I am still feeling better than before starting on raw dairy and have access to plenty of it. Once I start eating meat again, I'll still keep the amounts down to probably around half a pound a day or so and see how it goes from there.
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do you notice any differences after drinking colostrum compared to milk?
Not that I could tell. I know it had no negative effect, though. I think all this raw dairy, especially the colostrum, seems to have been healing me in one way or another..
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Day 16:
Feeling even better. I think I finally slept over 5 hours last night. It should have been at least 7 hours straight, if I can remember correctly. Usually, I would wake up at least once around 2 to 3 AM and then try to sleep again and will usually be successful and feel totally hungover when I get up.
I had about a quart of raw milk (includes quite a lot of cream), 8 oz. (1/2 lb.) of raw cheese, and about 8 egg yolks. I finished the colostrum yesterday.
Much more energy today right along with more sex drive..
I am basically eating one meal from noon to 4 PM again. I feel better this way.
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Day 20:
Yes, I haven't been updating daily. There hasn't been anything new until now, really. I have been doing good.
The only problem I have encountered now is..
Crazy constipation from too much raw cheese. I really need to cut this stuff out. It makes me feel good in every way.. except the fact that it's been catching up with me now and have had a few really tough visits in the bathroom. There was even just a small amount of very bright blood in the stool and the stool is very pale. If I ever eat cheese again, it'll be in extremely small amounts. When starting to eat raw cheese over a week ago, it actually helped me achieve very healthy bowel movements for a few days. However, this completely depends on how much I eat, and I have a very hard time controlling my intake. When I keep up a steady high intake of this stuff, it's no good. I've managed to get through it, though, and like I said, the cheese and constipation from it had no other or negative effect on my symptoms.
I'm really starting to miss eating meat. I've been without meat for at least two weeks now, I believe.
My mother ordered a 5 lb. bag of goji berries.. and I gave in.
Again, it's hard for me to control how much I eat of anything, usually regardless of whether it is a carbohydrate or not. I must have eaten about 1000 calories worth of this. Dammit, I know it's ridiculous, but sometimes I can't control myself. I snacked on them all throughout the day and have had surprisingly steady and great energy levels the whole time. I feel pleasantly sleepy now, but not at all fatigued. I read goji berries have a lot of tryptophan, maybe this can help me further with sleep and relaxation, although sleep has improved a huge amount already, considering I went from almost no sleep at all to basically a minimum of 5-6 hours a night now. On a side note, I read that berries can help with growth hormone and testosterone boosting. Since these berries also have a high amount of fiber, maybe it'll help clean this cheese out of me just a bit. I have taken a pretty strong stand against high fiber intake ever since my dreadful experience with high fiber diets, but I must remember there were many things at play, especially hormones, so I think there needs to be good moderation with fiber, just as with anything. Anyway, I'll see how I feel tomorrow and decide whether I should stick to a moderate consumption or none at all..
If I do well with these goji berries, I might be encouraged to try a little bit of some other fruits and see how they affect me sometime. Like I've said a few days back, I lost any craving for honey or sugars/carbohydrates in general. I think this could be from the milk, as it really is somewhat of a "complete food" when it comes to the nutrients. Since milk has small amounts of sugar in it, it could be giving me just enough of what my body wants/needs..
The only carbohydrates I've had recently has been from the milk, until now with these damn goji berries again, haha. I am feeling great, though.
I also wanted to just talk about this before I end this post. Everything has improved a lot for me health-wise (even though sometimes off and on, depending on the day), since starting raw dairy and testosterone boosting herbal supplements 20 days ago. I've been thinking a lot. Maybe all of these health improvements lie mostly, or even only, in the boosting of my testosterone levels/balancing of my hormones in general through the use of these herbal supplements. The improvements I noticed when starting RAF nearly 3 months ago could have been due to the hormonal effect which the food had on my body. Lots of thoughts about that, but I am grateful things are much better.
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Day 20:
Crazy constipation from too much raw cheese.
I feel you on that, it clots inside of you and becomes a literal pain in the ass.
The only way I could continue to eat dairy is if I added in cooked veggies/wild rice, problem solved.
Yes, I tried raw veggies but that stuff is too rough and I feel as if I get nothing out of them.
Day 20:
I've been without meat for at least two weeks now, I believe.
:o I would be missing meat also!
Dairy is wonderful but at least a pound of red meat or wild fish a day is essential, for me anyway.
Goji berries grow wild here, but they simply do not suffice. :D
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Day 23:
Interesting. I've been eating lots of goji berries throughout the mornings, most of them soaked in some spring water, for the last 3 days.
Every day, I've had very steady energy levels. I had absolutely no crash. I would barely get any sugar besides from the milk before this, as I stopped craving raw honey completely a few weeks ago.
I used to feel like I needed the raw honey to get energy, but it wasn't always reliable for energy and also caused some digestive problems. i do feel like I would crash from the honey sometimes.
Honestly, the goji berries made me feel wonderful in every way, just not so much in digestion. I definitely ate a very large amount, though, so this is a big reason as well as not waiting long enough to completely digest them before going on to my other foods. It hasn't been very bad, just nonstop gas sometimes, and despite that, I felt absolutely no fatigue. The berries also really helped clean me out, even with all that cheese in there.
If I remember correctly, there is a study out there showing that goji berries can increase testosterone levels somewhat and help with human growth hormone production.
My skin is still just about perfect to me. Really feeling great.
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There seem to be 3 fruits that many rawists rave about.:- durian, cassia fistula and goji berries. I don't understand the interest in them, but maybe I will try them this year, if I can find them.
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Day 24:
Ok, once again something I need to cut out..
I'd been eating real sauerkraut bought from a farmer in the last two days and today. Sometimes my mind is such a mess. I've had such horrible experiences with certain foods in the past two years, mainly causing cystic acne. All foods which are very acidic always led to horrible, huge breakouts of cysts along my jawline. This included any citrus fruits, even apples, and recently realized also acidic cultured/fermented foods like kefir, yogurt, sauerkraut..
I'm all into experimenting with different foods, as you should know by now, and sometimes it takes a few tries to realize what's good for me and what's not.
I would always read about the digestive and overall health benefits of fermented foods and gave all these kinds of probiotic foods many different tries in the past few years. I always found that these foods had the opposite effect of helping digestion in any way. These foods would always just fill my body with gas to sometimes a painful level. I also read about the possible hormonal benefits from eating cruciferous vegetables, as to somewhat help keep estrogen levels down.
After these three days on sauerkraut again, every day I seem to have been able to tolerate eating less and less food. What I mean, is, there seems to be less room in my body for food as the sauerkraut takes up lots of space and causes lots of gas for me. In the afternoon, even hours after eating, I was struck with a tiredness that was all too familiar to me from my days of very poor health. Even later, I became quite itchy in some areas, especially along the jawline of my face. After some scratching, I found that there was a cyst forming, as I just get engulfed in stress.
I was able to calm down and stop touching the spot. No more mirrors or any touching of my face for the night. My time with severe cystic acne over two years ago has not only scarred me physically, but emotionally, so whenever I find some kind of spot, a door to deep depression and deadly stress is opened. Keep in mind, the last time that happened from food was months ago, before I started my journey with RAF. It's tough, but I've learned many ways to manage my stress that I've been able to apply now. I'll see what comes of this in the next few days, but for now I have to completely forget about my skin.
No more sauerkraut. I am sure many can have a great benefit from it, including some of you on here, but this absolutely not for me. It seems like it is even directly causing me stress as it sits in my stomach, like short bursts of stomach pain with very negative emotions out of nowhere. As for the amount I was eating, I did eat a little more of it today than I did in the other last two days, but this is still no good for me. I hope this did not cause any kind of damage to my intestines, which is what could have happened when I used to eat these foods in mass amounts, believing they were healing me.
Sauerkraut aside, sleep, energy and skin have all been quite great. I need to keep positive, no matter what. No stress.
My Slanker's order just arrived. I'll be adding meat and suet back into my diet, slowly, for two weeks now. Then, I'm off to Switzerland, where I should be able to maintain a diet of grass-fed meats, eggs and raw dairy, although most likely not in such abundance as I have it here, as prices and availability will vary.. maybe it'll be good for me. I've kind of missed eating meat lately, but I hope things continue to go well with it back in my diet again, as it's been a few weeks and definitely don't feel a complete need for it.
Looks like they were out of liver.. damn.. :D
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Some problems I can imagine with the sour kraut...
1.They used too much salt, I use very little.
2.Green cabbage is a clotter, I always mix purple cabbage in which is supposed to have the opposite effect.
3.The kraut may not be for you at this time or ever! Sorry to hear that, I love the kraut.
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Right..
I absolutely love kraut as well. Actually, I love all fermented foods, especially yogurt, which gives me even worse gas to the point where it gets very painful.
I am wondering, though, if it's possible that high meat would also not be good for me in any way.
I've always wanted to try real high meat.. I guess I can make partially high meat for maybe 12 to 13 days starting tomorrow and see what that does for me. I am very curious as to what specific bacteria are formed and what their byproducts are with high meat. Maybe it's all of that lactic acid that's really no good for me.
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Maybe it's all of that lactic acid that's really no good for me.
Ever tried clabber(really sour milk)? that will tell you if lactic acid is good for you or not.
I am wondering, though, if it's possible that high meat would also not be good for me in any way.
There is only one way to find out, I think it is very different than sour kraut and yogurt. The smell is unmatched, but I like it.
{addition} Then again, sometimes it does taste like cheese.
Be aware! High meat has female deterrent qualities.
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When I have raw cheese I always eat it with either raw eggs or raw salmon, never alone. It's very easy to overeat the stuff. I think most problems from raw dairy come from excessive intake of it. It was never meant to be available in such an abundance as we enjoy today. The reason lots of raw cheese can be constipating is mainly because it's the concentrated essence of liters of raw milk so your body slows down digestion to extract all the nutrients from it. I have found it's best to consume it in small amounts with a fresh fat source. It's a powerful food and should be respected just like high meat.
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Ever tried clabber(really sour milk)? that will tell you if lactic acid is good for you or not.
There is only one way to find out, I think it is very different than sour kraut and yogurt. The smell is unmatched, but I like it.
{addition} Then again, sometimes it does taste like cheese.
Be aware! High meat has female deterrent qualities.
No, I have not..
I just prepared half of a jar with meat this morning and will save it for at least a week and check on it regularly.
Female deterrent qualities? Sounds just like what I need.. I can't keep my girlfriend off of me! Haha. I don't really shower and only brush and floss at night, yet, she has never said anything about me smelling..
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Day 25:
Mmm.. meat..
I didn't sleep nearly as well as I usually would lately. It may still be from all that sauerkraut. I kind of felt hungover all day, not exactly fatigue, more tired. Maybe things will improve once again now without sauerkraut.
I had no more than a pound of delicious, juicy, grass-fed beef today, with a small handful (somewhere between 50 and 100 grams?) of suet. I put at least half a pound of the meat in a jar (half filled) to try and make some slightly high meat.
The meat totally calms my digestion in a way, whether that's in a good way or not. Much less gas, but the recent gas and digestive upset has mainly been due to goji berries and sauerkraut, both of which I'm basically done with (only a small amount of goji berries now until I run out).
I've been stressing just a little about my skin, as I felt some sore spots..
Looking forward to getting some good sleep tonight.
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Day 26:
Slept great.. until 5 AM. Then, I forced myself, like usual, to go back to sleep until after 7 AM. This makes me feel hungover and pretty shitty mentally, especially concentration, but not too bad. This feeling tends to mainly go away around noon. I am going to work on this and either go to bed later or actually get up and out of bed when I truly awaken.
I did my second workout of the week at noon, adding much more squats in there. My body definitely looks much better, kind of like it's finally developing like it should have in the past few years. Bigger muscles and better posture. My bloated belly is just still covering my lower abdominal muscles completely, but I know I've gained quite some muscle. More facial hair is popping up. Sex drive has improved just a little bit, yet I can't even make use of it, if you know what I mean.. so in that way, my testosterone levels appear to still be incredibly low.
Now on my second day eating meat again. Feeling really weird lately. My skin has broken out in a few spots and I get really stressed about it at times. Things were going so great overall in the last few weeks, since starting raw dairy and the herbal testosterone boosters. Taking a step back like this really stresses me, because it just makes the puzzle a little harder for me. I really started feeling like shit from the sauerkraut which I consumed throughout 2 to 3 days, but I cut that out two days ago. Goji berries didn't give me a problem in any way, but I'm out now anyway, so no more of those. The only other real thing I changed is adding meat back into my diet. Maybe it was more-so the lack of meat which had improved many things for me during the recent weeks.
The one benefit, if that's what it is, I get from meat is that it somewhat calms my digestion. Almost no gas. when I was on only dairy and eggs, gas wasn't a problem either, it's just that the addition of Goji berries started causing lots of gas, and once I got some meat in there as well, it kind of eliminated it. I am hoping this isn't a bad thing..
I'm seriously thinking about not eating meat anymore, if that's what is best for me. Maybe I just don't need it. I get plenty of nutrients from dairy and eggs and have felt great eating only that during the time I only had access to those foods.
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I just joined this group today and can't believe how much your story sounds just like mine! I was a raw vegetarian for 3 years, (the two kids I had around that time now have teeth issues). I started having serious deterioration in my gum line and decided to see what was out there. It's frustrating because when I was raw I felt great and my skin looked great, but then my teeth started deteriorating and hurting. I thought adding raw milk was the answer, but it didn't seem to help my teeth. I didn't actually notice much of a difference except it may have actually made me break out a little. Before I went raw I had pretty bad acne and dark circles under my eyes. I always had rashes and lots of allergies when I was younger, which my mom figured regular amounts of antibiotics would clear it right up. When I was a teenager my skin seemed to clear up, although yeast infections were common. However, after my first child my skin started having problems with acne and rashes again. I thought I had found the answer with the raw diet, after all you should be able to get all the fat you need from avocados! That was a joke. Sadly, it's hard to know if the diet is exactly right for you or not. The first 2 years it seemed everything was perfect. Then my teeth started hurting and my digestive tract sounds just like yours, completely out of whack. I'm constipated most of the time and tired all the time. I thought I should try Weston Price, since my friend had been telling me about him for years. I added raw yogurt, sauerkraut and good broth and meat all from grass fed cows and my skin looks 10 times worse then even a month ago. Everyone told me broth was very healing to the intestines and I need good probiotics for my bowels, however should it be causing this much tiredness, depression, and PIMPLES! Then I have people tell me that my intestines are so bad that it's just clearing out the "bad" bacteria and my skin is just showing a detox effect from it. I just don't know. Well, that's not true, I only know not to eat grains and that sprouted bread still has phytic acid in it.
I joined this group because I read The Recipe for Living Without Disease, however still have not gotten up the nerve to eat any raw meat or fat, except for the ordering of coconut oil. I do know that any grass fed butter or cheese makes me break out immediately. My husband absolutely forbids me to do the high meat. He doesn't want me to do the raw meat, however knows I am desperate. I have been reading through everyone's posts about raw milk and believe that some people have ancestors that drank it and therefore have a more positive reaction to it. I don't really have a negative reaction to the raw milk, but can't do anything else; butter, cheese, or yogurt without reacting. Seeing your post about reacting to the yogurt was gratifying because I have a chiropractor that keeps telling me that I should only be consuming milk if it is cultured. While I do make Kefir, I only use a small amount of it in smoothies. I'm kind of at a loss of what is good for me and what is not, I just am done with the breakouts and feeling tired. It seems if you put everyone's opinions together all foods would both be bad and good, whether cooked or raw. I'd like to find more things to eat besides only a couple of ideas, I'm afraid after a couple years my body will develop an allergy to it, which is why I want to eat foods in season. Also, have you tried muscle testing your food to see if it's good for your body? It's not foolproof, but can be helpful. Most of the time I don't listen to it because I'm always listening to everyone else about what is healthy, but it's worth a try. I also wanted to ask if the meat is still considered raw if you soak it in a brine and then cold smoke it. I cannot get myself to take a bite of just raw meat, so I thought smoking it first might give it a better flavor. Also, has anyone found anything besides high meat that heals constipation? Also, remember that drinking raw milk, just like everything else, is a seasonal thing. In the winter people in general would eat more meat and less milk because the cow/goat/sheep didn't have any to give. I think nothing is good 100% of the time and our bodies likes to take breaks from foods, that's why the earth only grows apples in the fall and oranges in the winter. If we're going to eat them, this is when we should eat them. Sorry, had to throw that in there because I kept thinking about it while reading posts, but no one seemed to post anything about it. I'm anxiously awaiting more posts about how the raw milk and meat are going for you.
Sorry for posting here, I was just amazed at how similar the food problems were.
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Meat soaked in brine and or smoked would not be considered raw in my opinion. Not to say you shouldn't eat it. I recommend making gourmet traditional raw dishes when starting to eat raw meat. This is what I did as the idea of eating raw meat made my throat close up. Now I eat a kilo a day without flavoring.
Perhaps you should post something in the welcoming place, this thread is for discussing caveman's diary.
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I just joined this group today and can't believe how much your story sounds just like mine! I was a raw vegetarian for 3 years, (the two kids I had around that time now have teeth issues). I started having serious deterioration in my gum line and decided to see what was out there. It's frustrating because when I was raw I felt great and my skin looked great, but then my teeth started deteriorating and hurting. I thought adding raw milk was the answer, but it didn't seem to help my teeth. I didn't actually notice much of a difference except it may have actually made me break out a little. Before I went raw I had pretty bad acne and dark circles under my eyes. I always had rashes and lots of allergies when I was younger, which my mom figured regular amounts of antibiotics would clear it right up. When I was a teenager my skin seemed to clear up, although yeast infections were common. However, after my first child my skin started having problems with acne and rashes again. I thought I had found the answer with the raw diet, after all you should be able to get all the fat you need from avocados! That was a joke. Sadly, it's hard to know if the diet is exactly right for you or not. The first 2 years it seemed everything was perfect. Then my teeth started hurting and my digestive tract sounds just like yours, completely out of whack. I'm constipated most of the time and tired all the time. I thought I should try Weston Price, since my friend had been telling me about him for years. I added raw yogurt, sauerkraut and good broth and meat all from grass fed cows and my skin looks 10 times worse then even a month ago. Everyone told me broth was very healing to the intestines and I need good probiotics for my bowels, however should it be causing this much tiredness, depression, and PIMPLES! Then I have people tell me that my intestines are so bad that it's just clearing out the "bad" bacteria and my skin is just showing a detox effect from it. I just don't know. Well, that's not true, I only know not to eat grains and that sprouted bread still has phytic acid in it.
I joined this group because I read The Recipe for Living Without Disease, however still have not gotten up the nerve to eat any raw meat or fat, except for the ordering of coconut oil. I do know that any grass fed butter or cheese makes me break out immediately. My husband absolutely forbids me to do the high meat. He doesn't want me to do the raw meat, however knows I am desperate. I have been reading through everyone's posts about raw milk and believe that some people have ancestors that drank it and therefore have a more positive reaction to it. I don't really have a negative reaction to the raw milk, but can't do anything else; butter, cheese, or yogurt without reacting. Seeing your post about reacting to the yogurt was gratifying because I have a chiropractor that keeps telling me that I should only be consuming milk if it is cultured. While I do make Kefir, I only use a small amount of it in smoothies. I'm kind of at a loss of what is good for me and what is not, I just am done with the breakouts and feeling tired. It seems if you put everyone's opinions together all foods would both be bad and good, whether cooked or raw. I'd like to find more things to eat besides only a couple of ideas, I'm afraid after a couple years my body will develop an allergy to it, which is why I want to eat foods in season. Also, have you tried muscle testing your food to see if it's good for your body? It's not foolproof, but can be helpful. Most of the time I don't listen to it because I'm always listening to everyone else about what is healthy, but it's worth a try. I also wanted to ask if the meat is still considered raw if you soak it in a brine and then cold smoke it. I cannot get myself to take a bite of just raw meat, so I thought smoking it first might give it a better flavor. Also, has anyone found anything besides high meat that heals constipation? Also, remember that drinking raw milk, just like everything else, is a seasonal thing. In the winter people in general would eat more meat and less milk because the cow/goat/sheep didn't have any to give. I think nothing is good 100% of the time and our bodies likes to take breaks from foods, that's why the earth only grows apples in the fall and oranges in the winter. If we're going to eat them, this is when we should eat them. Sorry, had to throw that in there because I kept thinking about it while reading posts, but no one seemed to post anything about it. I'm anxiously awaiting more posts about how the raw milk and meat are going for you.
Sorry for posting here, I was just amazed at how similar the food problems were.
Welcome! Honestly, the only thing keeping me close to completely clear is only eating raw dairy and raw eggs (at the moment). I'm sorry to hear you don't do so well on it, which is how the majority seems to be affected. My ancestors, as far as I can trace back, have all been from Switzerland, many, if not all, growing up and working on farms with lots of dairy. I'm from Switzerland myself and grew up partially on raw dairy products and raised mainly vegetarian. I am starting to think this may reflect the true diet that I may need to follow in order to heal myself. Everyone is different. I no longer believe in following a certain strict diet which many people just go on, thinking they will heal 100% on it if they follow it completely. Don't get me wrong, though, I love Raw Paleo, especially the people here and the ideas we share. I still do think this is the best diet to get into, just about for everyone. However, we really need to focus on specific foods in this diet. Just because a standard Raw Paleo diet on here seems to consist of beef muscle, fat and organs, maybe some people need to thrive off of different animals. I was doing good on raw meat for a while, but then realized it had been breaking me out and causing other symptoms. It could be the fact that it's beef. Maybe i will try other meats soon, like lamb and more fish, as it is entirely possible that my body, for some reason, cannot handle certain animals. Also, I'm getting a home blood type test done very soon, as it seems that I really fit under the category of the B blood type from the Eat Right For Your Type book. I do think there can be some things to learn from that whole idea, as it has worked for many people and it embraces the fact that every person's body is different. I like to combine as many views on health as possible, but only the ones that are both logical to me and have worked for others in the most sufficient ways. If I find there is some truth to my blood type and what foods I can handle, I will combine this as best as possible with a mainly Raw Paleo/RAF diet. I just must embrace our human diversity and the fact that many people, like me, can not just completely follow a strict diet and expect the results of another person.
Keep trying things, see what makes you feel good. We can't just claim that every symptom we get is "detox". It probably can happen, but from eating real foods, I'm really doubting it should be happening. Everything I thought was detox worsened my condition completely, which went on for a while, because I really believed in the whole idea of cleansing and detox. Sauerkraut and yogurt also made me feel horrible and broke me out like crazy..
Keep going. Know your poisons until you find your medicine..
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Day 30:
I just need to update, in case some people haven't seen my recent posts.
After three days on raw beef again, I stopped it completely. My face was getting very rough, dry and was breaking out like crazy. I was very stressed. Sleep and fatigue worsened.
I believe it's been at least three days without the beef now, again eating only raw dairy and raw egg yolks. Things are improving again. By that, I mean, my skin completely became soft, smooth, less dry, no more breakouts, better sleep, better mood, better energy. So, this is very interesting to me. Either I can't tolerate beef specifically, or I can't tolerate meat in general..
I hope to try other animals sometime soon. I do wonder, though, what the determining factor would be in the case of me not tolerating beef or meat in general. I am guessing it has to do with the proteins.
If my blood test shows that I am type B or AB, I'll be very surprised. This could give me some possible new specific foods to add into my diet that I should be able to tolerate. I'll be receiving the home testing kit within the next few days..
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That is very interesting. I eat a kilo of beef most days, but it really does not change matters for my skin at all if I stop.
However RawZi has mentioned having headaches from beef, or something along those lines.
Sounds like you need chicken. I like chicken but it gives me some pretty insane smelling gas. LoL
Also... Bison is farmed in Colorado, maybe you could try that.
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That is very interesting. I eat a kilo of beef most days, but it really does not change matters for my skin at all if I stop.
However RawZi has mentioned having headaches from beef, or something along those lines.
Sounds like you need chicken. I like chicken but it gives me some pretty insane smelling gas. LoL
Also... Bison is farmed in Colorado, maybe you could try that.
Yes, actually I started my Raw Paleo journey eating slightly cooked to almost completely raw bison for a few weeks. That might explain why I felt so good only in the very beginning..
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in the very beginning, i only did well with bison, and did best with one particular source. i had to sort of work my way to beef. i have no idea why, but didn't take long.
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Day 32:
Ahhh, feeling really good.
There's not much I can complain about at the moment. I could improve my sleep further, but I seem to get just the amount I need.
I feel like my body is finally maturing. I've really been working on my posture, and I can totally tell it is improving. Energy is stable, skin is glowing.
I ordered bulk organic maca powder and have been taking around 4 tablespoons in the morning in the last three days. Wow.. let's say my libido is like night and day. I used to have almost zero sex drive, no matter what the situation was with my girlfriend. Now, I'm having a hard time calming my friend down there. Not uncomfortably, but with the right dose, this IS nature's Viagra.. I also think some things are getting bigger.. ;D
Ever since doing more body-weight exercises and working out for a shorter period of time, I've been feeling better and stronger overall. Doing lots of hindu-squats lately, which I think are really great for me. I used to ignore squats completely.. big mistake. I do believe in the hormonal benefits of intense exercise and weight training, but I think we don't need to feel like we are killing ourselves to get the most benefits. Also, considering my adrenals have been under so much pressure for a long time, I find it may be best for me that I now cut my workouts a little shorter. 20 to 30 minutes, no longer feeling like I am killing myself. 2 times a week, but maybe will go up to 3 every once in a while.
As you can see from my picture, I am not at all "ripped" and signs of estrogen dominance are still visible (especially belly, hip and breast fat), but I look much better than I did just a few months ago. My main goal in that area is to just stay active, have proper posture and get the most hormonal benefits possible.
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Day 33:
Blegh.. my skin has been doing so good, and now I noticed a really unusual, long cyst on my cheek. Could be the maca.. maybe I will only occasionally take it and definitely lower the dose. I have heard of maca worsening acne. I usually get absolutely no acne at all in this area of my cheeks..
Haven't been sleeping well in the last two nights either.. maca can also cause insomnia if the dose is too high.
Despite that, it has given me great energy and sex drive, but once again I am reminded that such stimulating foods/herbs are most likely not good for me. Chocolate/Cocoa seemed to have almost the exact same effect on me.
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Day 34:
Good sleep once again!
If I take maca, it should be only once, first thing in the morning, and now I am not going to go over 2 tablespoons. In the past days I've taken over 5 tablespoons a day and a little later in the day as well, so this really kept me up at night.
As for my skin, the cyst that was coming on completely went away! I just have a few very small spots still remaining which formed at the time I was eating meat again.
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No more meat for you (at this time)?
How much dairy/eggs do you consume?
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No more meat for you (at this time)?
How much dairy/eggs do you consume?
Correct, for the time being. It really seems to make a big difference, especially in my skin. it's really strange.
On some days, when I can, I have been drinking up to a half gallon of raw milk a day (with a really thick layer of cream on top). However, usually I have to stick to a quart a day (half of the half gallon), so it lasts the week. I've been buying 2 gallons of it every week. I'll be off to Switzerland in 3 days, though, and will see how I will do over there.
For eggs, I'll eat up to a dozen a day if I am hungry, but sometimes half a dozen is good.
I've been buying high quality, real Swiss raw milk cheeses like Gruyere and Appenzeller lately and eat a pretty good amount. This cheese does not constipate me nearly as badly as raw american cheddar did..
I have yet to receive my blood type testing kit. It should arrive today. Then, it will be interesting.
When I am in Europe, I might make a few exceptions when necessary. I am thinking that I might at one point eat some kind of fish when given the opportunity at a restaurant. We'll be visiting many friends and family, and what we usually did there was go eat somewhere when we meet up.
Maybe I will find that I just can't digest beef for some reason. Remember, beef is what I have been eating most of the time going RP. I remember feeling better on bison, and I think it was even grain-fed to some extent.
So, maybe I'll give some various meat dishes (not beef) a try and get them as uncooked as possible if I find myself sitting in a restaurant.
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Day 36:
Things have been quite well. My skin, especially, is doing great. However, I'm not feeling as good as I did over 2 weeks ago, when I had a huge surge in energy, happiness and health in general, when I felt on top of the world. I am still doing better without the beef, though.
Now, my blood type testing kit came in today. Logically, it turns out that I am blood type A-, just like my sister and father. My sister definitely shares many health problems with me, she just got luckier growing up and wasn't a total mess emotionally and physically as I was, but it seems that she has slowly been on a downward path.
Like I thought, beef is not for me. That is, if there is at least some truth to the blood type diet, which I do believe there is, even if it isn't completely correct in every way. Everything has its flaws, but we can always learn something from different perspectives and ideas. Remember, I am not looking to follow the diet completely, but I am experimenting to see if it holds any value for me in any way at all.
According to some sources, the only suitable meat for me would be chicken and turkey. However, there's a good variety of fish which I should be able to eat, like salmon, tuna and trout, which I find great.
When I get back from Europe in a month, I should still have great options for wild caught fish like salmon from my local co-op farmer every week. It will be a little more expensive, but I am glad to keep going to find what is best for me.
Apparently, milk shouldn't be good for me, but possibly regardless of my blood type, I think I may be completely adapted to almost all dairy, or specifically just raw dairy.
Maybe I'll even end up eating raw oats in the future (in some kind of "primal" muesli like I grew up on), but experimenting for that will probably come later when and if things get even better.
I may experiment a little with some fruit while I am in Europe, especially if I find it too difficult to maintain my current diet. I will definitely give fish a try and, when ending up at a restaurant, I will ask them to cook it very lightly.
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Day 37:
I thought it would be interesting to see what a capsule of 5-htp with a tablet of magnesium citrate would do to me. I used to take this stuff separately many months ago, and barely ever felt a difference. I took this shortly before I was planning on going to bed. After 10 minutes I felt completely different. I found that I was so relaxed at this point that I was getting scared that I wasn't moving and felt like I would have an out of body experience (which is awesome and I have tried having them before, but this feeling was just bad). I felt like this for maybe a half hour and then tried going to bed. I was still so very relaxed.. but it seems my mind had become twice as active as it has ever been. My mental energy was crazy, and my body followed along. I bet I stayed awake until maybe 3 or 4 AM in the morning, yet I went into a deep, vivid dream which seemed very long. I doubt I got any more than 2 hours of sleep, yet here I am in the morning with more mental alertness and energy than I have had in the last few days. My lower abdomen, which is usually always quite bloated with a good share of fat thanks to estrogens, is much better than usual. Must be the magnesium.
After doing only body weight exercises today, I am feeling great! I bet I was causing more stress than necessary through weight training. I would usually feel good after for a while, but all of the sudden I would get very cold especially in my hands and feet, even if the room was warm. I experienced great circulation from today's workout. I've had really steady energy all day, although I did get very tired at one point and took a nice, refreshing nap. However, in no way was I fatigued, just sleepy.
This might be my last post before I leave to Switzerland. Since the flight will be over 14 hours and they just serve complete shit, it will be a nice fast for me. It really shouldn't be bad as I've fasted up to 20 hours on some days managing to feel pretty good. I'll try to load up on calories tomorrow morning, before I leave.
I felt like trying something new and just decided to buy some organic pastured butter. It's the special green organic valley kind. I believe it may be some of the best butter you can buy in a store, around here anyway. No, it is not raw, but I am curious if my body likes this stuff or not and I will only be eating it tonight and tomorrow morning, so if it causes any symptoms for me, I'll be off of it for a good amount of time. I just want to get a lot of fats in before the trip so I'll hopefully have a little more energy.