If you stuck a nice fatty piece of meat in front of a child raised raw paleo and some tasty fruit what would your child rather eat?
The children I have seen at château Montramé in France all gorged on super-sweet tropical fruits AND raw animal foods. The point is that most of them showed dental decay and their mothers were more or less puzzled.
@GS What if the child were offered his favorite fruit and favorite meat/cut of meat?
I never visited Montramé but I met some members of the group at a meeting in France. I was a littkle bit shoked about the bad physical condition of some people, not talking about the mental. I saw Instincto children gorging tropical fruits like Durian Mornthong, wondering why their parents offer them such bad stuff. ...Interesting, why is durian mornthong bad, the raw vegans and Instinctos seem to think that it's super healthy?
They would probably eat BOTH.
My son would eat the oysters and then eat the mango.
Interesting, why is durian mornthong bad, the raw vegans and Instinctos seem to think that it's super healthy?
What? Instinctos don't look healthy? Whats up with that? Are they under eating or something?
Do your children eat a lot of sweet fruit?
Do they show any tooth decay?
Löwenherz
There are many reasons, why somebody eating raw doesn't look healthy, especially when he is older.
1. tooth-fillings (a point which many raw-eating people doesn't want to hear)
5. negligence of wild herbs (maybe we need only small amounts of them, but we need them)
My children are not on raw paleo.
There are many reasons, why somebody eating raw doesn't look healthy, especially when he is older. (Young people often look healthy even ift they were cooking):
1. tooth-fillings (a point which many raw-eating people doesn't want to hear)
2. bad combinations (especially protein/sugar combinations)
3. poor variety or quality of food-stuff
4. the preference of cultivated tropical fruits (like Löwenherz menioned: Durian Morn Thong is an overbred sugarbomb)
5. negligence of wild herbs (maybe we need only small amounts of them, but we need them)
And sometimes the only reason is that it takes a long time to recover from decades of cooking. And not only from decades of the individual lifetime but from centuries-long of our ancestors.
I hear it but it’s only one of several possible nuisances other than food able to causes of health troubles. I tend to agree with Löwenherz on that point.
Were you at the Montbarrey gathering 2008 organized by Instincto.net ? I was there also and I wonder whether we ate at the same table together with my friends Alphagruis and Carnivore (Fred, “the butcher”) and talked.
The fact that this gathering was organized by Instinto.net dosen’t mean that the people present were all instincto dieters. Some pretend to eat instinco but almost never eat meat. Several eat a mixed cooked - raw diet, some eat cooked food at home, some are raw vegans. Some had experimented to eat only once every other day and even once every 3 days for several months…! Some were extremely ill before to start to eat raw and could have been dead if they had not switched to raw nutrition.
To judge we should know the whole history of the person. Furthermore looking healthy is not a good criterion. Many SWD dieters I know looked very healthy until they suddenly died of cancer or fell gravely ill.
... It was my first instincto-meeting and I was there with my longtime partner and husband to convince him that instinctive nutrition is the nutrition of the human future. After that meeting he started cooking again and we seperated.Did you separate only because of the differences regarding cooking?
Finaly that meeting convinced me that I have to remove all my crowns and toothfillings as soon as possible and I did it. ...Did you notice any differences afterwards?
Yes, of course, I was there. What a nice surprise. :) The most beautiful remembrance of this meeting was a meal together with some french guys eating the first time of my life brain.
It was my first instincto-meeting and I was there with my longtime partner and husband to convince him that instinctive nutrition is the nutrition of the human future. After that meeting he started cooking again and we separated. -d
Finaly that meeting convinced me that I have to remove all my crowns and toothfillings as soon as possible and I did it.
Did you separate only because of the differences regarding cooking?
Did you notice any differences afterwards?
Yes! Those French guys were Gérard - prof of physics (“Alphagruis” here), Fred - computer engineer (“Carnivore” here) and myself. I should have asked you long ago and I don’t know why I didn’t… You were the most beautiful one there , I was always looking at you in awe, something Gerard didn’t fail to notice 8) and he was really amused about it!
Sorry to hear that.
Oh, I would never have done that. :o Some German people influenced you?
No, but the different way of eating accelerated the separation process. Eating raw changes many things. Sometimes it seems to me like a process of mental awakening.
I hope this will stop the stupid rumors circulating on this forum and encourage those who had supposedly seen too lean instinctos children to question what kind of instincto they practiced.
Makes me want to find myself an instincto woman and have instincto children too.
I will have to go and find a 10 year old girl and have her eat instincto, by 20 she'll be ready. If not for me, then for my sons.
Remind me to be quicker with converting my own children. They are on cooked paleo lately.
The term "she'll be ready" sounds a little bit strange for me. Maybe she doesn't want to be "ready". :D
Joke aparat it's very difficult to convince a child older than three years to eat instinctive raw especially when other persons to whom the child relates close are cooking.
It's obvious that an instinctive raw living parent wants to convince his own children to eat like him. But do they want it too? You can't force them, can you? And remember in your case the mother don't eat raw (in my case the father). Concentrate on yourself not on your children that's better for your and their peace of mind. :) Maybe some day they will join you voluntary. I hope so with my children. And if not I will remember the words of Kahlil Gibran:On children
Your children are not your children.
They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself.
They come through you but not from you,
And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.
You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
For they have their own thoughts.
You may house their bodies but not their souls,
For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,
which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
You may strive to be like them,
but seek not to make them like you.
For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
You are the bows from which your children
as living arrows are sent forth.
The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite,
and He bends you with His might
that His arrows may go swift and far.
Let your bending in the archer's hand be for gladness;
For even as He loves the arrow that flies,
so He loves also the bow that is stable.
omg did you get that poem from Patricia Robinette? :D
Who is Patricia Robinette? ???
@Susan Are you saying your 60? Because your avatar doesn't look even close to 60.
I emphasize that he has never done any particular sport or workout and that his muscles spontaneously formed
Incredible! When I saw you 3 years ago you looked like in you're 30 or 35! And I must say that you're much more beautiful in real than on this photo.
It's not improbable to bear children until 60. My brother in law was born when his mother was 52.
Another clarification: no cavities. His food: 100 % paleo organic products grown without chemicals and without heat processing, either direct or indirect (nothing hot dried, no heated compost, etc.)
In one of the pictures he’s with my first son who has eaten 100% instincto ever since after being 3 years old.
Of course not. I have done this twenty years before when I started my raw experiment. But I started raw vegan and so tooth decay continued. I filled my teeth again to stop the decay but without succes. And I always recognized the bad influence of the foreign materials for my spirit.