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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: Suiren on July 24, 2012, 05:57:44 am
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Gaining weight was always impossible to me, even as a child.
My body was burning over 2000 calories a day just resting (had a metabolical test). My husbands thought was that my body does not absorb certain foods well and therefore does not gain weight from it, plus my metabolism must be messed up due to my former SAD diet.
Since getting off of carbohydrates I have been losing weight. Despite me scarfing down as much raw butter and olive oil as I can take without throwing up -v.
I am terrified to lose even more, I have nothing left to lose. I weight roughly 47 kg's at the moment.
We don't have the budget to eat actual raw paleo, and can not afford to buy a lot of meat, avocados, nuts...so we avoid some of the worse things at least and focus on me gaining weight without grains.
Right now I eat raw butter with lunch meat, since lunch meat is cheap. I know its not great. Sometimes some aged cheese. I eat about 125 grams of butter
I also supplement with cold pressed olive oil. 5 table spoons a day. I eat some fruits throughout the day too.
I chose olive oil and butter over other fatty foods, because I will be able to ingest more fat/ calories with a lesser amount of food.
So things like raw milk, cream, avocados...will get me full before I have absorbed enough calories.
I have eaten some bread here and there on occasion because we had not groceries and a bakery across the street, but it seems my body can not deal with it anymore. I get stomach aches to bowel problems, a weird hazy feeling and I break out!
Anyhow, I need to figure out how many calories I need to take in to gain weight, and how and what.
I am breastfeeding and my son does not eat solids yet (only test out some foods once in a while), so I need even more calories than I normally would. To gain AND make enough milk. He is 11 months old and needs a lot of calories (he is 27 1/2 in and 23 lbs so nice and fat).
Can someone help me develop a plan? Maybe I need to eat more often than I am hungry. Could I add more olive oil? I am somewhat worried that drinking oil is unhealthy.
Is there maybe a low cost way to get my hands on high calorie raw animal fat, and would it provide me with enough calories?
Is my diet maybe the reason I am not absorbing enough calories?
Seriously any advice you can give will help me see this more clearly. I need to gain NOW.
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If money is an issue then I suggest getting raw ground meat. Ask them to put extra fat in which is usually free or close to it. You can usually get fat for free or close to free at a butcher. They normally throw it away. Slice the fat thin, so it is easier to chew. Try fats from different animals.
Butter fat is fine. I typically eat a lot of it generally with about 25% honey. There is no problem eating lots of fat. Let your taste buds be your guide.
Vary the source, in other words eat meat fat from one animal and then switch when it starts to lose it's appeal.
Generally avoid nuts like the plague.
Cooked food does not provide the nutrition that you think it would. Some others on this site can explain why, but essentially cooking destroys the nutritional value and makes digestion more difficult. I love to eat bread but it causes me to get upset stomach.
Go to this link: http://ayurveda.com/pdf/food-guidelines.pdf (http://ayurveda.com/pdf/food-guidelines.pdf) and look at the first two columns which gives you the vata list. These foods will be best for you to chose from. Notice the first column lists food that you are supposed to avoid, and the second column lists food that you should favour.
The avoid list is foods that will make you lose weight and the favour column will help you maintain or gain weight.
Good luck, and remember that worrying about it will not help.
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Do you have access to some good eggs? How about raw egg yolks?
I'm loving having my chickens because then I can feed them really well on the cheap and get great nutrition that I can trust. I actually have had trouble losing weight because of those eggs, and avocados and salmon etc. etc.
Be careful with the olive oil. Most Americans can't even tell when olive oil is rancid because they have never smelled or tasted non-rancid olive oil. I'd double up with the butter instead myself unless you have a great fresh source of olive oil.
Instead of eating bread, if you are going to go that route, I would suggest buying some organic brown rice and cooking it in water, cooking some vegetables in water and then pouring good fats on top or adding an avocado to it. Avocado and brown rice actually go very well together. As far as grains go brown rice is one of the least offensive and you don't have to worry about gluten sensitivities or added sweeteners
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have you considered investing in a digestive enzyme to help break down the food, and start taking high meat to help assimilation while you gain some weight and health?
if taking carbs out causes weight loss then why not add carbs back in? i would suggest baking carrots, parsnips, yams(the white ones) and winter squash and eating those for dinner or adding honey or berries and wild fruit.
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ooooh - butter on yams - that's hard to resist.
Baked roots and Soups of root veggies - great idea Jessica. Very grounding for a vatta type.
Enzymes, high meat, probiotic foods - most EXCELLENT idea. Help the body to assimilate and use more of what you are ingesting.
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Some different perspectives, I have dealt with this too:
1. Do some liver/pancreas cleansing. If your liver is clogged you won't be digesting/absorbing fat very well. If you are mainly getting calories from that, you may be starving yourself on accident. Plus, some people just need carbohydrates. I don't agree that cooked food is always harder to digest. Sure, the enzymes aren't there, but the fiber is predigested. It's not a coincidence people want chicken soup or soft mashed potatoes when ill. It absorbs easily.
2. Look into inner child work/3rd chakra issues. These involve perfectionism, sensitivity to criticism, personal power, etc. I would wager a lot of people have issues here. If you have serious problems here it is possible that the energy going to those systems (liver, pancreas, digestion, etc) will not be running as they should. This is a very complex issue that takes a lot of work with but could help you a lot as well. Check to see where your energy is on a regular basis. If it is in "your head" or thinking all the time, energy will not be in digestion.
3. I recommend focusing on very easy to digest foods in proportions that feel right to you. Good options: avocados, raw eggs/yolks, marrow, stews, olives, root veggies with oils, soups, blended foods, etc. Also, try laying down for a few minutes after meals and relax and digest.
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These involve perfectionism, sensitivity to criticism, personal power, etc. I would wager a lot of people have issues here.
You have some nerve insulting us like that Joe! You might not think we're perfect, but we have the perfect diet that makes us strong and virile so watch out or we'll punch you in the solar plexus! ;D >D :-*
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Haha no no no. That isn't what I meant. I meant people in AMERICA. lol i should have specified =)
Also checking into chiropractic could be a big help. Sometimes, nerve supply isn't heading to the right areas.
-Joe
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Gaining weight was always impossible to me, even as a child.
My body was burning over 2000 calories a day just resting (had a metabolical test). My husbands thought was that my body does not absorb certain foods well and therefore does not gain weight from it, plus my metabolism must be messed up due to my former SAD diet.
Since getting off of carbohydrates I have been losing weight. Despite me scarfing down as much raw butter and olive oil as I can take without throwing up -v.
I am terrified to lose even more, I have nothing left to lose. I weight roughly 47 kg's at the moment.
We don't have the budget to eat actual raw paleo, and can not afford to buy a lot of meat, avocados, nuts...so we avoid some of the worse things at least and focus on me gaining weight without grains.
Right now I eat raw butter with lunch meat, since lunch meat is cheap. I know its not great. Sometimes some aged cheese. I eat about 125 grams of butter
I also supplement with cold pressed olive oil. 5 table spoons a day. I eat some fruits throughout the day too.
I chose olive oil and butter over other fatty foods, because I will be able to ingest more fat/ calories with a lesser amount of food.
So things like raw milk, cream, avocados...will get me full before I have absorbed enough calories.
I have eaten some bread here and there on occasion because we had not groceries and a bakery across the street, but it seems my body can not deal with it anymore. I get stomach aches to bowel problems, a weird hazy feeling and I break out!
Anyhow, I need to figure out how many calories I need to take in to gain weight, and how and what.
I am breastfeeding and my son does not eat solids yet (only test out some foods once in a while), so I need even more calories than I normally would. To gain AND make enough milk. He is 11 months old and needs a lot of calories (he is 27 1/2 in and 23 lbs so nice and fat).
Can someone help me develop a plan? Maybe I need to eat more often than I am hungry. Could I add more olive oil? I am somewhat worried that drinking oil is unhealthy.
Is there maybe a low cost way to get my hands on high calorie raw animal fat, and would it provide me with enough calories?
Is my diet maybe the reason I am not absorbing enough calories?
Seriously any advice you can give will help me see this more clearly. I need to gain NOW.
Eat carbs. In my case I eat durian. Helps me gain weight.
And if you have never dewormed, try deworming. See www.humaworm.com (http://www.humaworm.com) . helped me gain weight too.
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Haha no no no. That isn't what I meant. I meant people in AMERICA. lol i should have specified =)
Also checking into chiropractic could be a big help. Sometimes, nerve supply isn't heading to the right areas.
-Joe
I was TOTALLY PLAYING WITH YOU Joe! I was ranting like someone with third chakra issues. My sense of humor is kind of strange.
Sarcasm - just one of the services I offer. ;)
I actually on the serious side agree with you that a lot of people get into diet because of third chakra problems so I bet a lot of us at this forum would be included.
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Add honey to butter as much as tastes good.
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If what Joe said about chiropractics is something you're interested in, and you are on a budget like me, I find that imitating the way dogs stretch when they get up from a nap has really helped me to take control of my back and spine maintenance. I used to need to go to the chiro, but since I started imitating my aunt's dog, I'm my own chiro now.
So I would stretch the way they do, the front legs/spine, then the back legs/spine. I also do my own version of the yogic cobra position..I think, that's what a yoga teacher told me I was doing anyhow (which would make sense as my spirit animal would be the snake if you're in to that). Usually I do this right after I wake up and just before I go to bed. Sometimes if I don't feel like my spine came in to alignment the first time, I'll do it a few more until I'm not getting any more response from it (audible and tactile) or if there was pain from all the heavy lifting I do on the farm here, that should be gone or relieved.
Also, I've always been a hard gainer as well. I find that just loading up on massive amounts of protein and fat do it for me. Carbs not so much, though I do eat large quantities of those as well when I need the energy.
My dog fed all 9 of her puppies (ooOoo my little babies) milk and she was on a raw diet pretty much from birth. She was a young mom at about 1.5 yrs old and I had trouble keeping her fed, she was skin and bones for a while until I clued in and stopped rationing her food. I eventually let her eat as much raw milk, eggs, fat and meat as she could handle. She tried to eat me out of house and home, but we were able to keep up with the puppies until I could get them on to organ meats. Eventually, through eating ridiculous amounts of fat and protein she was able to not only feed all her babies to their content, but also gain her weight back and come to her normal, lean, healthy, balanced physique. You should have it a little easier since you only have one lucky little fella to feed. I would second what was said above about looking for suet from the butcher, might not be the tastiest stuff on the whole planet but it's pure energy and will make it easy to load up on calories without drowning your appetite prematurely.
Milk takes so much energy out of the mom to produce, so do whatever you have to to get those quality raw fats from grassfed/wild animals. You might have to get creative in your sources, but your baby is worth it and there is definitely a solution because most of the best foods, the most sacred and nourishing foods are either left for scrap or fairly cheap. Take advantage and scoop them up! Be friendly with butchers, and though I shun lying, if you have to, tell them it's for your dog and they may give you/sell you for cheap, loads of fat!
Of course if you're in a non-western country then that may be harder, because those foods are actually valued in countries where people aren't so spoiled as they are in the west.
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Sounds like you have an absorption issue. It may not matter how many calories that you ingest, if your body cannot process it!
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Sour cream and banana together.
Eat your olive oil on fresh cultured sauerkraut.
If white rice is less filling than brown rice, eat long grain white rice instead, it is still fairly low gi, just less insoluble fiber.
Crush frozen organic berries into pork and grass fed beef fat, then cool it, and eat it like icecream!
And yeha, check if you have worms or parasites that might be sapping your calories?
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Yea good call on the parasite thing everybody, i agree.
One trick I used to (still do) use when I had issues with that was to throw in some anti-parasite stuff whenever eating high-calorie foods. Throw in some raw garlic with your potatoes, or some coconut oil. Fresh raw cinnamon sticks on your apples, fruit. Nature has tons of this stuff. Fresh oregano, onions, etc. Garlic seems to be the most powerful but I haven't experimented too much with the other herbs. Other than that, a good 30-60 day parasite cleanse using the good old walnut hulls, cloves, etc is a good way to go.
-Joe
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Remember everyone that she is breast feeding. Most of the anti-parasites herbs are going to be really bad for her right now. Her baby probably shouldn't be getting garlic, onions, wormwood etc. through her milk.
Suiren - just be careful to research each and every suggestions in terms of breast feeding ok?
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Dorothy,
yes I will for sure! I would also assume a harsh cleanse could negatively affect my breastmilk supply.
Thanks you for the suggestions everyone! I have not been able to reply yet because I have been busy with work (from home so work+baby), but I have been reading and researching everything.
Parasites:
What are some signs and symptoms of having parasites? I want to see if I have any. Everything looks normal when I use the bathroom.
Not absorbing calories:
Not sure, I have always been this thin. Also I was thinking someone who does not absorb calories might be painfully thin? I am a little below normal atm, so I have some fat that stays put. But maybe it can still means my body does not absorb calories well, someone enlighten me please :)
The only time I ever gained weight was in pregnancy (135lbs), after delivery with baby, placenta and fluid gone I was 119lbs. Not sure if that was really my actual weight, I might have still had water stored, but I was heavier than now, I can tell by my Jeans that don't fit anymore :(
Cleanses:
Just keep in mind the breastfeeding, and I also collaps if I don't eat frequently, probably not a good basis for a cleanse.
I have been increasing my calorie intake, if my weight goes up even the slightest bit, I guess that is a good sign.
Does anyone know how much calories I should need/ burn? I often feel like my body burns too much. I am 5'5" and 103.5 lbs atm.
My appetite is not great, but that is just because I don't like what I eat. Its like "Damn it I have to eat to stay alive..." -\
I appreciate all your advice, I want to solve this problem once and for all.
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I have a suggestion for you Suiren. When you eat your fats and proteins, use some good quality enzymes. They will help break down fat and protein, so it becomes easier for your body to absorb. Lipase for fats, and Protease for protein. Try adding a good lipase supplement directly to your oils, let the enzymes have a chance to break down the fats, then enjoy. Give it a try. Enzymedica (www.enzymedica.com (http://www.enzymedica.com)) makes a great product that is free of allergens ( soy, dairy, corn, egg, wheat, gluten, ect). They have a diverse lineup of enzyme supplements. Hopefully, that might do the trick for you. Good Luck!
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Thank you Chris, I will have a look at that.
So basically it could be that my body is not breaking down the fats and proteins right which can hinder weight gain?
I was thinking as far as getting rid of parasites goes or de-worming, I might also see a doctor? I usually prefer natural methods but I want to see which method would be the most gentle and easy on me, and for my breast milk. If I get sick my supply can drop, and I am already supplementing with fenugreek because my son has a bad latch/ is lazy.
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So basically it could be that my body is not breaking down the fats and proteins right which can hinder weight gain?
Absolutely. That would be my guess, I doubt you have parasites. But, that's just my opinion.
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Before you try all sorts of tangential reasons for losing weight, I keep looking at your original post:
Since getting off of carbohydrates I have been losing weight.
Why did you get off of carbohydrates? I know this is a good idea in many cases, so I was wondering what you based your decision on. Has that condition been helped by RPD? What carb-containing foods would help stabilize your weight without exacerbating your condition? (In my own case, I eat ultra-low carbs in order to prevent joint inflammation and lose weight; I do eat a few non-inflaming carbs which I found by trial and error.)
Also, you mentioned My body was burning over 2000 calories a day just resting
. This is a fairly low-to-average amount for a female. Nursing and running after a child can bump your needs way over 3000 calories a day, or even higher.
If I were in your shoes, I'd start eating some carbs (but not bread!) and tinker with the amounts until you find body-mass equilibrium.
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As a mild "treatment/preventative" you could add things like raw garlic, coconut oil, fresh cinnamon, oregano, etc to the diet. These all discourage parasites without pushing you too hard. That is crazy with the breast milk, I can't imagine having to do this stuff and worry about that too ;D
I agree enzymes can be helpful very short term. They should only really be needed if your eating cooked fats anyway. If your liver/GB is "stuck-up" you should really be doing some form of liver-cleansing to unstick it. I had this same problem. The more I clean up my liver, the more fat i crave and the more weight I seem to gain back.
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Joe
Is there a gentle way of cleansing the liver? Because not eating foods the whole day, then getting diarrhea I would run into the breastfeeding problem again.
It makes a lot of things harder, and I also worry about certain raw foods like high meat while breastfeeding. I have not been exposed to a lot of bacteria yet.
I do eat some cooked fat or smoked meats since they are readily available and affordable. We don't have transportation, so even getting fatty leftovers from butchers is a challenge.
We are planning to order online soon though :)
Eve
I'm sorry I made a mistake there. I meant to write "grain based carbohydrates". With Pasta specifically I was able to keep up my weight and even gain some.
I probably don't eat enough natural carbs though, and should maybe extend my carb intake past carrots and bananas.
I was told by my doctor that a woman my size (height+small frame) should eat around 1400 cal to maintain a normal weight. He found my metabolism to be faster than average (I was eating 2200 cals and burning 2000).
But I guess he was wrong? Is maybe a SAD normal lower? I am a bit confused.
I thought since breastfeeding burns an extra 500 cals, that would equal up to 1900 needed for a normal person, or 2500 for me?
Over 3000.... :o I don't know how I would be able to eat that. I get full and nauseated of what I am eating right now, but it only equals up to roughly 2000.
Maybe meal plan suggestions would help? I don't know how to put together a over 3000 cal raw paleo meal plan.
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Joe
Is there a gentle way of cleansing the liver? Because not eating foods the whole day, then getting diarrhea I would run into the breastfeeding problem again.
I'm not sure a liver cleanse would be a great idea when breastfeeding. The baby would tend to have the same thing happen to it.
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One thing I have realized over time is that it is not so much how many calories you eat but what are you ABSORBING? If the liver is clogged = no bile = no fat (especially cooked fats) digestion.
Yes, there are gentle ways of cleansing the liver. I would put the order something like this:
-MILD: lots of juicing, greens, carrots, beets, apples, etc. High raw juices, easy on the fiber. Also raw egg yolk and liver would be here too. Liver is more of a healing/cleanser for the liver.
-MODERATE: Dandelion greens in juices, peppermint oil (thank-you dorothy), milk thistle, other herbs that stimulate bile flow. Coffee enemas would be a great help too
-INTENSE: things like Liver flushing, fasting, etc. I really wouldn't recommend this type of stuff unless you are having serious problems, especially with kids and breastfeeding.
Meal ideas: stick with easily digestible mono-type meals. High-calorie options include raw eggs, avocados, olives, coconut/olive oil, steamed potatoes, peas etc. Don't be afraid of the starchy tubers. Just mix them with other veggies to slow down the absorption. A winner around here is steamed sweet potatoes with brocolli with large amounts of coconut oil, raw butter, or olive oil. You can easily get 600-800 calories in a meal doing this. It's a long dual-sided process. Ultimately, you need to improve digestion/liver function/absorption and at the same time give your body stuff it can easily process. Hope this helps. ;D
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I was told by my doctor that a woman my size (height+small frame) should eat around 1400 cal to maintain a normal weight. He found my metabolism to be faster than average (I was eating 2200 cals and burning 2000).
But I guess he was wrong?
Yes, I would say he was wrong! Medical doctors do not have a good track record when it comes to dietary matters - look at all the diet fads that they endorse, such as low fat or low salt, to "cure" sickness caused by SAD. Research often shows the opposite of what doctors popularly recommend.
As you know, our metabolism is very complex, so it's hard to pinpoint what to do for a certain situation by just increasing or decreasing net calories. For example, SAD eating led me to insulin intolerance, so I lose weight on a mostly-fat, moderate protein diet, even when I eat very high calories, but gain pounds if I raise my protein or carbohydrate intake. 2500 calories a day can make me lose OR gain weight.
I don't know what kind of places you can shop for food, but this time of year offers such a variety of plant foods. Just buy what's cheapest and chow down. Expand your shopping horizon by talking to friends and neighbors. You must be tired of bananas and carrots by now.
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Yes, I would say he was wrong! Medical doctors do not have a good track record when it comes to dietary matters - look at all the diet fads that they endorse, such as low fat or low salt, to "cure" sickness caused by SAD. Research often shows the opposite of what doctors popularly recommend.
Eve, I think you could go even further than that. Doctors have no training whatsoever in diet. They like to talk as if they do.
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Eve, I think you could go even further than that. Doctors have no training whatsoever in diet. They like to talk as if they do.
At raw-al's suggestion, I will go farther: In the 1800s, science outstripped religious dogma in the game of Who's Absolutely Right. Within the field of science were many candidates who called each other charlatans and quacks. As the winner, Medical Science is now a despotic dictator with evil intent. Like any evil autocrat, Medical Science calls the shots, grabs the money, and assassinates all foes. For a doctor to tell you how many net calories to eat is absurd because you have a built-in appetite that will tell you how much you should eat. As a bonus, your appetite won't make you a slave to nutrition labels and food charts. On the doctor's part, even if he did have training in nutrition, his training was based on medical-establishment lies.
IMO, the reason that our way of eating is called paleolithic diet is because that is how people eat when they are not influenced by civilization. RPD seems easy to me when I get into the cavewoman mindset... I don't eat bread and pasta because neither wheat nor milling has been invented. I feel great eating this way. My doctor thinks I should eat more whole-grains and almost no fats, despite the fact that that eating style makes me arthritic and exhausted.
(P.S. if you get to an animal fat source, get a whole bunch because it stores very well.)
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I agree with what you are saying about doctors, I think the same way. But I was hoping a doctor would at least know how many calories a woman should eat, but apparently not haha ;D
joe
The mild and moderate cleanses don't sound all too bad. I will have to see if some of these foods are okay when breastfeeding.
Do I take this on top of my regular diet or do I fast for a day? Since I can't fast :/
And I love sweet potatoes :) time to add them to my diet. I haven't eaten avocados in a while because they are somewhat expensive, but I do like to eat them.
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From the pic your baby looks very healthy.
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From the pic your baby looks very healthy.
Yeah, he is. Thanks
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My appetite is not great, but that is just because I don't like what I eat. Its like "Damn it I have to eat to stay alive..." -\
Hi Suiren
judging by the response to your post, you already have many suggestions.
For what its worth, hopefully your dislike of the foods you are eating will change with time. However, I find eating those foods that are appealing works well for me.
Have you explored the world of nuts?
I too am slender and have benefited greatly from this food: walnuts, almonds, pistachios, macadamias (and even non-nut nuts such as raw peanuts and cashews).
Seek out good quality, raw, fresh nuts and be guided by your taste.
Personally, my attraction to meat foods is small. My diet usually consists of green vegetables, seaweeds, shellfish, fish, some fruit, good amounts of nuts and only very occasionally a very small amount of a red meat such as kangaroo.
But each to their own, and I am sure should you explore a range of raw foods you will start to gravitate to the ones which are most appealing and beneficial at the time. Your sense of smell and taste can be a strong ally and trustworthy guide.
Kind wishes, J
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Hi Suiren
judging by the response to your post, you already have many suggestions.
For what its worth, hopefully your dislike of the foods you are eating will change with time. However, I find eating those foods that are appealing works well for me.
Have you explored the world of nuts?
I too am slender and have benefited greatly from this food: walnuts, almonds, pistachios, macadamias (and even non-nut nuts such as raw peanuts and cashews).
Seek out good quality, raw, fresh nuts and be guided by your taste.
Personally, my attraction to meat foods is small. My diet usually consists of green vegetables, seaweeds, shellfish, fish, some fruit, good amounts of nuts and only very occasionally a very small amount of a red meat such as kangaroo.
But each to their own, and I am sure should you explore a range of raw foods you will start to gravitate to the ones which are most appealing and beneficial at the time. Your sense of smell and taste can be a strong ally and trustworthy guide.
Kind wishes, J
Good advice, I agree. Thanks!
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From the pic your baby looks very healthy.
I'm proud to say he is a big fatsy boy only off of breastmilk :), eating me alive haha.
Wattlebird
Yes, I have eaten nuts. Mostly macadamia and cashew nuts. I got off of nuts because they are rather pricey, 3.50 Eur for 120 grams...:( But in the future I would like to add more nuts again.
I have read nuts have anti nutrients? Does anyone know more?
My diet is somewhat blah atm, I really NEED to eat more things I like, i agree.
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Sorry, and I meant to add also, that sometimes how we would like our body to look at a time and what it (the body) is going through (processes of homeostasis), and on top of that how we perceive it may not be the same at all.
There are a whole range of shapes and sizes that do not necessarily correlate with what we may wish for at a time, or what society may consider 'right', but nevertheless the body is just doing its thing regardless.
As to anti-nutrients, all sorts of foods have good and bad qualities. Sometimes the bad are not so bad in certain amounts. Sometimes too much good is bad. Not so easy to call. Fortunately by observing bodily responses and sensory indicators, one can be reasonably guided and so what study 'x' or study 'y' says, is not so important.
Just my opinion.
Kind wishes, J
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No, fasting would not be required. Fasting is tricky. I mean, you really need to have the nutrition/health to be doing it. If not, the body gets stressed too much and it's counterproductive. Building up the adrenals are a big key here. I tend to just do a daily green juice with maybe celery, beets, beet greens, or carrots, spinach, whatever. Dandelion is good here, but yea I would check about all this I have no idea about breast-feeding children ;D I think the most important thing is to listen to your body and eat lots of good quality, preferably raw fats. The root veggies will probably help you a lot too.
-From a more mental/emotional perspective; Make sure you are relaxed when you eat. Bless your food, don't watch the news, maybe listen to some nice music, whatever relaxes you. You have to be out of "fight/flight" mode to digest well.
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Sorry, and I meant to add also, that sometimes how we would like our body to look at a time and what it (the body) is going through (processes of homeostasis), and on top of that how we perceive it may not be the same at all.
There are a whole range of shapes and sizes that do not necessarily correlate with what we may wish for at a time, or what society may consider 'right', but nevertheless the body is just doing its thing regardless.
I'm not sure I understand this correctly -[ , not to worry so much about looks? I don't overly worry I think, but that I would like to gain is just a fact I can't ignore.
As to anti-nutrients, all sorts of foods have good and bad qualities. Sometimes the bad are not so bad in certain amounts. Sometimes too much good is bad. Not so easy to call. Fortunately by observing bodily responses and sensory indicators, one can be reasonably guided and so what study 'x' or study 'y' says, is not so important.
Just my opinion.
Kind wishes, J
Understood, thank you. :)
No, fasting would not be required. Fasting is tricky. I mean, you really need to have the nutrition/health to be doing it. If not, the body gets stressed too much and it's counterproductive. Building up the adrenals are a big key here. I tend to just do a daily green juice with maybe celery, beets, beet greens, or carrots, spinach, whatever. Dandelion is good here, but yea I would check about all this I have no idea about breast-feeding children ;D I think the most important thing is to listen to your body and eat lots of good quality, preferably raw fats. The root veggies will probably help you a lot too.
-From a more mental/emotional perspective; Make sure you are relaxed when you eat. Bless your food, don't watch the news, maybe listen to some nice music, whatever relaxes you. You have to be out of "fight/flight" mode to digest well.
Green juices are something I could do I think. We have a blender. As far as herbs go, I will just have to research. :)
Relaxed eating: That's a little hard with a baby sometimes. I eat more like a "hunted and gatherer", I get hunted down by the baby who wants me to pick him up... ;D He is like a kangaroo baby, and not quite grown out of the "mommy hold me 24/7" phase.
But we did locate a good source for raw meat and suet, so I will be able to have a lot more of that!
And, I also gained 1kg (2lbs?). Not sure it will keep going up, but that is positive. I am 106lbs now/ 48.2kg.
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Congrats, yea. I'm tellin ya, just load up on the raw eggs, avocados, marrow, and starchy carbs with good fats if your body tolerates the carbs.
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If I gain more this way does it mean my body can absorb calories from fat? :)
Sadly the past two days I have been running into another problem - severe nausea.
Yesterday it struck me around 12 am, it was really bad and so I just decided to join the baby in bed right away and sleep it off. When he woke up to nurse some time around 6 am I still felt bad, but when we finally woke up around 10 I was fine. It stuck around for a while.
This evening I am experiencing the same thing, just not as strong (yet). I feel lightly faint and weird when I get it and my stomach aches. Talking seems hard, like when you're really sleepy and I feel better when I lay down.
At first I was thinking olive oil might have caused me this, but I have not taken any today. It also does not happen after eating or something, more like an hour or two after, when I am not hungry yet. My husband suspected hypoglycemia and gave me sugar, but it did not make me feel better.
I have been having nausea more often since changing my diet but it was not as strong. This really scares me, I have to be able to take care of my baby, and I worry what if I am home alone... :(
Does anyone know what it could be?
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Do you get enough sea salt in your diet? Weak adrenals love salt. Other than that, good fats, carbs, and proteins should do the trick.
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Do you get enough sea salt in your diet? Weak adrenals love salt. Other than that, good fats, carbs, and proteins should do the trick.
Hm... I don't add any salt, but I will try that!
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wat kind of Strategies you are following to lose weight...
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In the book "The Blood Sugar Solution" the author says that:
A study with mice found that when they sterilized the mice's digestive tracts (no bacteria) had 42% less body fat, despite the fact that they ate 29% more calories than the control mice.
When the normal bacteria was reintroduced back into the gut of the mice, there was a 57% increase in body fat despite no other change in diet or exercise.
He also says that when you feed your gut bacteria, fresh whole foods you get bacteria with symbiotic behaviour ( a mutually beneficial relationship between you and the bugs) and when you feed them junk you get disbiosis, a harmful reaction between the bacteria and the host that damages the lining of your gut lining creating a leaky gut. Partially digested food particles and microbial toxins can then leak across your gut triggering an immune response to these foreign proteins. That inflammation in turn damages your metabolism and affects how your brain controls your appetite also creating insulan issues........
He suggests that probiotics will help to repopulate with the good bacteria. however I would argue that doing it naturally with homemade yogurt or kefir and or high meat would be the superior way quicker way.
Ayurveda refers to the partially digested etc stuff leaking out of your gut as Ama. It is the cause of disease, because it travels around the blood till it gets stuck somewhere, where it will tend to build up and then you get sick. Pimples are a perfect example. It's basically sludge. Exercise will help to clean it out as the blood heats up and moves faster so it will clean out better, but at some point there has to be some sort of intervention with some sort of food that acts as a cleanser. Triphala is one of the better, but certainly not the only. Celery juice is a good choice, but again not the only or necessarily the best for you. It's all personal.
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In the book "The Blood Sugar Solution" the author says that:
A study with mice found that when they sterilized the mice's digestive tracts (no bacteria) had 42% less body fat, despite the fact that they ate 29% more calories than the control mice.
When the normal bacteria was reintroduced back into the gut of the mice, there was a 57% increase in body fat despite no other change in diet or exercise.
He also says that when you feed your gut bacteria, fresh whole foods you get bacteria with symbiotic behaviour ( a mutually beneficial relationship between you and the bugs) and when you feed them junk you get disbiosis, a harmful reaction between the bacteria and the host that damages the lining of your gut lining creating a leaky gut. Partially digested food particles and microbial toxins can then leak across your gut triggering an immune response to these foreign proteins. That inflammation in turn damages your metabolism and affects how your brain controls your appetite also creating insulan issues........
He suggests that probiotics will help to repopulate with the good bacteria. however I would argue that doing it naturally with homemade yogurt or kefir and or high meat would be the superior way quicker way.
Ayurveda refers to the partially digested etc stuff leaking out of your gut as Ama. It is the cause of disease, because it travels around the blood till it gets stuck somewhere, where it will tend to build up and then you get sick. Pimples are a perfect example. It's basically sludge. Exercise will help to clean it out as the blood heats up and moves faster so it will clean out better, but at some point there has to be some sort of intervention with some sort of food that acts as a cleanser. Triphala is one of the better, but certainly not the only. Celery juice is a good choice, but again not the only or necessarily the best for you. It's all personal.
That makes sense. I'm also assuming that "fresh" raw foods also have a sufficient amount of bacteria to help repopulate the gut, although probably at a slower pace.
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The author says some quite interesting things and one thing I would argue against but since he is writing the book for people who are still at the stage of getting off SAD food I can see why he goes there. He essentially tells the people to become vege for a period of time also. This may be a case of when there's a war you pass out guns...
I would advise going to our diet, but if he did he would lose his audience.
I often think it would be fun to correspond with writers like him, to talk about RPD but I haven't figured out how yet.
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Ferocious has contacted some Authors through their website :) . However I know not everyone will have their contact info public.
raw-al, what you say makes perfect sense, and I think it is the case for me to a degree. Not sure how much since I have been thin all my life, but I guess it could have even mildly affected me as a child and have progressed slowly.
Maybe it got worse for me around 18, since that is the time that I noticed a decline in health, lower weight, and some pimples (which I "fixed" with the bc pill). That matches what you describe.
In the book "The Blood Sugar Solution" the author says that:
A study with mice found that when they sterilized the mice's digestive tracts (no bacteria) had 42% less body fat, despite the fact that they ate 29% more calories than the control mice.
When the normal bacteria was reintroduced back into the gut of the mice, there was a 57% increase in body fat despite no other change in diet or exercise.
I wonder how fast it will fix itself. Maybe I just need to wait longer (and of course eat even better and make sure I am fully transitioned soon).
Partially digested food particles and microbial toxins can then leak across your gut triggering an immune response to these foreign proteins. That inflammation in turn damages your metabolism and affects how your brain controls your appetite also creating insulan issues........
........Ayurveda refers to the partially digested etc stuff leaking out of your gut as Ama. It is the cause of disease, because it travels around the blood till it gets stuck somewhere, where it will tend to build up and then you get sick. Pimples are a perfect example. It's basically sludge.
I do think my pimples are an immune response, and that they are also related to something going wrong with insulin. Since eating better my skin has been good, and if I cheat I break out within hours. I can only imagine all the toxins in my body!
He suggests that probiotics will help to repopulate with the good bacteria. however I would argue that doing it naturally with homemade yogurt or kefir and or high meat would be the superior way quicker way.
I try to avoid dairy because of the hormones. Is there potent dairy free alternatives?
Exercise will help to clean it out as the blood heats up and moves faster so it will clean out better, but at some point there has to be some sort of intervention with some sort of food that acts as a cleanser. Triphala is one of the better, but certainly not the only. Celery juice is a good choice, but again not the only or necessarily the best for you. It's all personal.
Hm...e x c e r c i s e....I faintly remember what that is. I used to play Volleyball, which is not possible with the baby so maybe running with the stroller will do. l)
I have been lagging with eating much fat lately because of the nausea. Salt helps some, but the nausea still happens. We think it is something hypoglycemia and I try to avoid even natural foods that trigger it.
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raw-al, what you say makes perfect sense, and I think it is the case for me to a degree. Not sure how much since I have been thin all my life, but I guess it could have even mildly affected me as a child and have progressed slowly.
Maybe it got worse for me around 18, since that is the time that I noticed a decline in health, lower weight, and some pimples (which I "fixed" with the bc pill). That matches what you describe.
In the book "The Blood Sugar Solution" the author says that:
I wonder how fast it will fix itself. Maybe I just need to wait longer (and of course eat even better and make sure I am fully transitioned soon).
I do think my pimples are an immune response, and that they are also related to something going wrong with insulin. Since eating better my skin has been good, and if I cheat I break out within hours. I can only imagine all the toxins in my body!
I try to avoid dairy because of the hormones. Is there potent dairy free alternatives?
Hm...e x c e r c i s e....I faintly remember what that is. I used to play Volleyball, which is not possible with the baby so maybe running with the stroller will do. l)
I have been lagging with eating much fat lately because of the nausea. Salt helps some, but the nausea still happens. We think it is something hypoglycemia and I try to avoid even natural foods that trigger it.
Suiren
You are roughly the same size as my daughters. Lots of women would kill for that complaint. You are what you are. This is not bad anymore than those who gain easily.
If you are getting pimples from eating cooked food then you are the same as myself. It's just undigested food. Despite what I appear to say in my posts, I do eat cooked food periodically (generally bread) because I have a difficult time with the monotony of the raw food we eat. My wife will cook food when we have guests and I will just eat it because I am around it.
As far as dairy, that topic usually starts a war here.... however we have access to a good dairy farm and so we know it is good. Kefir and yogurt are sufficiently modified that it will be less problematic than milk, however if it is problematic then don't consume it. They are partially digested. You can make it easier to consume if you make it into lassi which tastes great and is easy to digest. You can make digestive lassi or sweet lassi.
Having a baby is a game changer. Exercise is part of the deal. Just looking after the baby is exercise.
Re the fat, if it makes you sick then don't eat it. Maybe get a small amount from some other animal and try it. We also have tried ground meat for a change.
Fat is a bit of a challenge to digest, so what I do is just have a bit, or add some spice to it that you like.
Re the bacteria, there are other possibilities. Sauerkraut is one. Not sure if that would give your baby gas from the cabbage.
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I think you would like fat if you ground it or put in a food processor with beef, of lamb, and added salt and fresh herbs, to make sausage. Then make little meat balls, so it looks more appetizing than ground meat. Only do a day's worth at a time, it doesn't keep well.
I do this with pre frozen meat and suet when I run out of fresh. You can also dip the little balls in warm olive oil/coconut with onion, garlic powder and salt/pepper. I think you will love it.
Have you tried warm butter/coconut oil/honey/pollen/comb it is really yummy you can mix in some nuts or a bit of dried coconut or raw coco beans. Those things will not make you -v and will make you fat. That has been my experience. -[
I made the potatoes in the crock pot, that were suggested for you, for my new-be raw daughter. She drowned them in raw parmesan and butter and had a side of raw lamb sausage when she came home. She is growing and working hard in her summer farm job and I can't keep weight on her either, but she glows with health, so I'm not worried. Truly, you glow too Suiren
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Suiren
You are roughly the same size as my daughters. Lots of women would kill for that complaint. You are what you are. This is not bad anymore than those who gain easily.
Well, I have been this size for 15 years, same height and weight. I envy the ones that can gain weight if they eat a lot. I try to be more accepting of my size, but still always wish I was just a tad bigger.
If you are getting pimples from eating cooked food then you are the same as myself. It's just undigested food. Despite what I appear to say in my posts, I do eat cooked food periodically (generally bread) because I have a difficult time with the monotony of the raw food we eat. My wife will cook food when we have guests and I will just eat it because I am around it.
We eat a bunch of cooked stuff still, also for money reasons...89 cent lunch meat is much more affordable than grass fed raw meat. I do avoid the worst of the worst always though.
I am not sure if the cooked food makes me break out or more certain types of food. I know wheat gives me acne quickly, so does milk, probably corn and rice too to some degree. But I have never been 100% raw to see if my skin improves more on it.
Lately it has been fine but once in a while I while break out dramatically, and not even really know what I did wrong. -[
As far as dairy, that topic usually starts a war here.... however we have access to a good dairy farm and so we know it is good. Kefir and yogurt are sufficiently modified that it will be less problematic than milk, however if it is problematic then don't consume it. They are partially digested. You can make it easier to consume if you make it into lassi which tastes great and is easy to digest. You can make digestive lassi or sweet lassi.
I try to avoid dairy mostly because I used to have a lot of hormonal issues (Pituitary Tumor + raised Prolactin, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis) and also because of breastfeeding. I want to give my hormones the chance to be just on their own ;)
It also seems to contribute to acne, although i am not entirely sure. Otherwise, we would have very good sources of raw aged cheese...I do miss the occasional cheese or things made with milk...
Having a baby is a game changer. Exercise is part of the deal. Just looking after the baby is exercise.
Yes, my arms are starting to look like Popeye's arms ;D
Some sports are problematic to me anyways, since I am afraid I could pull my C-section scar tissue...I still get the occasional pain.
Re the fat, if it makes you sick then don't eat it. Maybe get a small amount from some other animal and try it. We also have tried ground meat for a change.
Fat is a bit of a challenge to digest, so what I do is just have a bit, or add some spice to it that you like.
Re the bacteria, there are other possibilities. Sauerkraut is one. Not sure if that would give your baby gas from the cabbage.
The fat from raw butter is the only thing that keeps me alive at the moment...I basically live off of raw butter and lunch meat, with the occasional raw meat or fish or eggs. Very few veggies and fruits...
I like sauerkraut though! I will definitively eat it! I will have to see about the gas, but he never had gas in his life it seems.
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I think you would like fat if you ground it or put in a food processor with beef, of lamb, and added salt and fresh herbs, to make sausage. Then make little meat balls, so it looks more appetizing than ground meat. Only do a day's worth at a time, it doesn't keep well.
I do this with pre frozen meat and suet when I run out of fresh. You can also dip the little balls in warm olive oil/coconut with onion, garlic powder and salt/pepper. I think you will love it.
It sounds very good! Thank you! :o I am surprised what you can do with raw paleo foods...I eat too basic I think, at least for someone transitioning.
Have you tried warm butter/coconut oil/honey/pollen/comb it is really yummy you can mix in some nuts or a bit of dried coconut or raw coco beans. Those things will not make you -v and will make you fat. That has been my experience. -[
Not yet, but I have been wanting to try something yummy like this. Atm it is a little hard for us to afford all these super health foods, so I could not eat it on a regular basis. But I want to see how I like it and hopefully soon I can shop for the ingredients online.
I made the potatoes in the crock pot, that were suggested for you, for my new-be raw daughter. She drowned them in raw parmesan and butter and had a side of raw lamb sausage when she came home. She is growing and working hard in her summer farm job and I can't keep weight on her either, but she glows with health, so I'm not worried. Truly, you glow too Suiren
Thank you! :) To hear this after having had so many health issues sounds wonderful!
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Re the breastfeeding. You are doing yourself as well as the baby a big favour by breastfeeding. It is well known to help mom guard against breast cancer.
This author wrote a book http://www.continuum-concept.org/ (http://www.continuum-concept.org/) that gave a wonderful reason for mothers to spend so much time with infants . Those Popeye arms will help you avoid some of the problems with your child when they hit the teen years. Spending time with mom helps the child to understand the world of adults, how to deal with the world. By watching you act and react they see how they should act and react. Wonderful book.
Cribs and baby carriages come with a price that you don't pay till later. When they hit their teens. Wish I had been aware when mine were young.
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I love the continuum concept! :) It makes perfect sense to parent like we are naturally supposed to.
I did not know much about "attachment parenting" (similar) when I was pregnant, but made all the right choices naturally. When my son was born I did not want to give him away to the nurses or place him in the bassinet. I was thinking it would be the last thing he wanted, having just been surrounded by the warmth of my womb.
Same with holding him 24/7, he never liked being put down, which to me is understandable and I just came up with ways to hold him a lot, like babywearing or perfecting the hip hold (less now that he is 1 but still more than the average baby).
I am a big advocate for breastfeeding since I believe the benefits to be enormous, both emotionally and nutritionally. I read a lot about it, but even without reading, once you experience it you will understand how good it is for your child..
We will be doing child led weaning, which means my son decides when he is ready to stop - http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RHHKuw6i6oQ/T3HLzdv8zQI/AAAAAAAAB9U/iTHcUeGfa9c/s1600/breastfedtoddlerdiagram.jpg (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-RHHKuw6i6oQ/T3HLzdv8zQI/AAAAAAAAB9U/iTHcUeGfa9c/s1600/breastfedtoddlerdiagram.jpg)
Long story short, modern parenting is so far from what it naturally was. Especially that desire to create children as independent as possible. Why children have to be independent, I never understood anyway. I think independence is something that naturally and slowly develops when they are teens (or the older a child gets too), but at least the strong bond you created will always be there if you had established a good close relationship.
I am very thankful I figured this out, my little guy is developing wonderfully and does not experience many of the problems other babies go through. He just wants to be close, around others, on the go..fed, not bored...very simple.
Sadly parents are told all the wrong things nowadays, that and how we are raised has an effect on many (although natural parenting has been gaining popularity)
A prime example are mothers that just think of their children as a chore, can't wait to get away (back to work or go out), want them to sleep through asap, not nurse at night, many don't have the patience and determination to stick with breastfeeding, when with knowledge 99.9% of breastfeeding problems can be fixed.
And of course children are trained to sleep alone...I would be scared alone...I mean I even remember being scared alone when I was a kid :P
I could go on and on...parenting is such a big deal. And of course everyone defends their own methods.
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You have your head screwed on properly.
There was also a thread on here quite awhile ago, started by Cinna I believe which was on the topic of diaperless babies. I forget the name. One neighbour is doing that and the baby seems to be healthier because of it. It's sometimes called elimination Communication.
http://www.trifield.com/content/trifield-broadband-meter/ (http://www.trifield.com/content/trifield-broadband-meter/)
Here is another mention of it on a thread on page 2
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off-topic/just-for-anyone-who-thinks-they-have-a-high-post-count/10/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/off-topic/just-for-anyone-who-thinks-they-have-a-high-post-count/10/)
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Thank you for linking this! I have heard about it, but be got scared out of doing it when we left my son without a diaper and he made a CRAZY mess.
I suppose now that he is old it might work better though. I would also prefer he would use the potty sooner than later. (We cloth diaper at the moment)
I read some of it and the bow leg argument worries me...his legs seem straight and close together but since birth he has been having slight club foot, so I shall look into that.
He certainly loves some diaper free time ;D
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Children have a normal protective fat pad on both arches, is that what you mean by club foot?
I love what a strong momma you are too. Keep it up, your bond will get even stronger and you need every ounce in this world.
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No, he has a very slight case of actual club foot:
(http://www.orthopediatrics.com/binary/org/ORTHOPEDIATRICS/images/page/child_foot_clubfoot_anatomy04.jpg)
Just his is way less severe, it almost looks normal and the toes and the side turn in a bit, especially when he is trying to take steps. The pedi said he will likely grow out of it, he just needs to learn how to take steps right. At the moment we are waiting for him to walk better.
Supposedly he developed this because he did not have a lot of room in the womb anymore. Especially since I almost went 43 weeks, it was really cramped in there.
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Will he let you gently work/massage it straight? Babies are pliable, made of mostly cartilage. When a joint is set in a cast it can be deformed and fixed. It needs to be worked (PT, but you can do home PT). Walking is work but you could gently help it along, while you nurse. Work his mobile foot to learn how the clubbed one should move and then apply what force he is comfortable with to loosen the fixations. Just a thought.
Ivy had an outty belly button. The doctor said it will likely fix itself. I tend to be less than satisfied with those types of answers. So, I said What if it doesn't? He said he could fix it, but not to worry. I asked how to fix it and he answered surgery. I wouldn't be surprised if your pediatrician is thinking a similar thing about if your son's foot doesn't fix itself. I don't know, just a suspicion. I think you can help it though. google it. ask a lay midwife. I love Avril Bowen she's a lay midwife. I would contact her.
I did fix her belly button with a small round crystal and a piece of tape, changed it with her bath for a couple of months. It may have healed anyway.
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Will he let you gently work/massage it straight? Babies are pliable, made of mostly cartilage. When a joint is set in a cast it can be deformed and fixed. It needs to be worked (PT, but you can do home PT). Walking is work but you could gently help it along, while you nurse. Work his mobile foot to learn how the clubbed one should move and then apply what force he is comfortable with to loosen the fixations. Just a thought.
I watched a video with various Ayurvedic physicians and one of them did that with a young girl. She had bowed leg.
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The doctor said if it does not straighten itself he would want to work with physical therapy and shoes.
I frequently post on parenting forums to get some advice, and many moms said their baby has it or had it and it can take time to fully grow out of it but is usually not a big problem.
I hope that is true.
We DO massage his foot, there is one thing where you rub the side of his foot, causing a reflex that straightens it. We also bought learning shoes, they are flexible and adjustable and can help stabilizing his foot, so he gets trained to hold it straight. We will put it on him for short times during the day so he can practice taking straight steps. Good thing hes does not walk yet, so he has more time learning it properly. He practices every day though :)
I really hope that will help his foot, I am very worried at times. And I feel bad that my pregnancy went way too long and likely caused him problems...I knew my real due date, the doctors were off and did not believe me, until they saw the placenta. :'(
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Hope this helps.
I had a cousin who had to wear leg straighteners because her hip and joints didn't connect? she had to wear stilts? for years but eventually grew out of the problem. My brother also had scoliosis but when he started weightlifting seriously in his 20's he straightened out and is now taller than me. Fucker. I'm still better looking.
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If his foot/ankle is able to straighten completely even for a moment then it isn't a contracture/frozen joint problem. It sounds like a nerve problem. That's why surgery would be any benefit too. In that case stimulate the nerve with sensation and motor whenever possible, nice tickle his feet and see if he rotates and straightens his foot. Very old school toddler thought is to use hard stable shoes for training to walk. More contemporary, which isn't always better, suggests soft flexible moccasins, and bare foot. Bare foot gives the most sensory info to brain and requires maximum motor effort for balancing, ie. self correcting of posture right down to the sole.
It's so cute to see babies learning to walk, such concentration and pride.
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Hope this helps.
I had a cousin who had to wear leg straighteners because her hip and joints didn't connect? she had to wear stilts? for years but eventually grew out of the problem. My brother also had scoliosis but when he started weightlifting seriously in his 20's he straightened out and is now taller than me. Fucker. I'm still better looking.
Oh I hope he does not need to wear anything :( usually these things fix itself before toddlerhood is over.
Interesting though that the scoliosis bettered, I was told to have slight scoliosis when I was a teen but I guess I am almost fine now? My doctor did not complain last time I saw one..I am also weight lifting...
24 lbs of fat baby ;D
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Thank you, we will do that. He is almost always bare foot, he just got his first shoes and so far he hates them.
I think we might also see an orthopedic doctor to see if physical therapy help or massages are offered. I think that would be better than waiting and then needing special shoes or a cast to correct it, if he learns to hold his foot right now, he won't put weight on it the wrong way hopefully.
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Good I'm just guessing but, I think it is the peronial nerve that needs to heal. It would be the nerve on the week side, the nerve on the other side is working and innervating the muscles that cause his foot to club. Those are probably fine, it's the weak lateral lower leg that isn't able to do its fair share, so his foot pulls over to the strong side. I'm being irresponsible, I haven't even googled club foot. I'm just guessing based on what you've said.
Babies grow nerves well. Most likely his nerve was cramped at the knee on the lateral aspect. So, gently tickle him constantly from knee to toes. Sensory and motor nerves run together and stimulation of one should stimulate the other. Keep us posted. Also eating fat is important, and B's for nerves, and they're fatty sheathes.
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Adora, your guess makes sense! We will try to stimulate his nerves.
He has been wearing his shoes when being held or sitting in the stroller, and they do keep his foot straight too.
Whenever he walks or crawls he is barefoot though.
I want to get back to this topic since I am still experiencing problems...
Bottom line is, after an increase in weight, I lost even more. I now only weight 46.2 kg/ 102 lbs. Before I started on the paleo diet I was 110lbs/ 50kg :'( (I am 5'5", 165cm)
It is scary to see all the weight go, and I am afraid if I lose much more I will have to call it quits. I really don't want to do that because of all the improvements I have made.
I am even fine with a lower carb diet now, before I used to get hypoglycemic, now I could even live with barely any carbs without getting dizzy.
However I am trying to maintain a moderate carb intake because I want to gain weight.
My face also has been looking gaunt and skinny, I don't like it at all. It makes me look sick (ignore the avatar its 4 months old) much like some vegans or fruitarians look...like their cheeks get all weird.
My milk supply also dropped again, it always drops when I lose weight and goes back to normal once my weight stabilizes. But at the moment my son nurses every half hour because he does not get as much milk :(
I have one last resort which is a food diary...nothing strict, just one that helps me keep track, and maybe I should weight myself once in a while? I tend to avoid it until I get so curious I can't take it anymore, only to see I lost even more.
In that food diary I want to list the most high calorie foods, because I don't even want to waste time consuming anything not as high in calories...so butter over milk for example.
So my foods would be:
1. Fatty meats & Fish (hard to get but we found a farm, just sadly they have been lagging with our order from 1 month (!) ago.
2. Fat from Butter, Avocado, Nuts (I currently mix butter with grounded tiger nuts or grinded coconut and eat avocado with it and 2 eggs) Olive oil as a supplement.
So a typical meal is 1-2 eggs, 1/4 block of butter, 3-5 table spoons of grounded nuts, (1/2 avocado). I mostly eat this with honey or some sort of meat.
I eat this 3-5 times a day, depending on the size of the meal. I eat much less after 8pm and just a small meal before I go to sleep, because I am just not hungry at night.
I take 4 table spoons of olive oil a day.
I have not taken probiotics yet, but they are on the way. At first I gained weight it seemed, not sure what happened.
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How is your digestion? In the sense that is it regular?
How is your stools?
Colour, shape, smoothness, soft/hard, ease of passing, gas, odour, # per day, when in day, regularity? Are these descriptions standard day to day or is there variation? Does it float?
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I was reading on my husbands computer/ account sorry did not notice :P
Suiren
How is your digestion? In the sense that is it regular?
How is your stools?
Colour, shape, smoothness, soft/hard, ease of passing, gas, odour, # per day, when in day, regularity? Are these descriptions standard day to day or is there variation? Does it float?
They are pretty much the same every day, medium to light brown, sometimes a bit more yellow and soft. Never hard anymore since going off of grains and pasta, does not float, shape is like a sausage lol, I rarely pass gas but recently I had pain combined with softer stools which is gone now though. I experience slight bloating throughout the day but not a big bloated belly, my stomach just seems fuller and not as flat, odour is neutral I would say, I don't really smell it. I go 1-2 times a day, it comes easily.
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I forgot to add - I have a fructose malabsorption...I usually ignore it though since moderate amounts of fruits and veggies never gave me a problem. Just can not eat HFCS and have to be careful with juice. But since I do eat some fructose right now, could it in any way interfere with my overall absorption?
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This is just my 2 cents. I think your going to continue to have trouble keeping weight on, or gaining weight as long as you continue to breast feed. Your baby is getting more and more of your nutrients every single day. Shouldn't your baby be on solid foods already? Remember, what you feed yourself is what your baby is getting as nutrients. I hope you're getting a varied/balanced diet, for your child's sake. I bet once you stop nursing, you will see yourself get stronger and stronger. You don't sound so vibrant and healthy right now. JMO.
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Chris, I don't agree with u, 'cause, my daughter is 10 months old and I m breastfeeding her. I gained more weight then when I was pregnant. Lots of fats, high quality of grass fed beef 2/3 lbs a day and half dozons of egg yolks (chickens, ducks) and fruits with seeds are my main food everyday. Time to time I do chew some wild greens from my garden recently ('cause I m doing some experiment to reduce the lead from my infant's body. Good luck with ur gaining weight mission.
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This is just my 2 cents. I think your going to continue to have trouble keeping weight on, or gaining weight as long as you continue to breast feed. Your baby is getting more and more of your nutrients every single day. Shouldn't your baby be on solid foods already? Remember, what you feed yourself is what your baby is getting as nutrients. I hope you're getting a varied/balanced diet, for your child's sake. I bet once you stop nursing, you will see yourself get stronger and stronger. You don't sound so vibrant and healthy right now. JMO.
We let our son choose when it's time for him to eat solids. He eats solids but only as much as he wants, which is not a lot. I don't expect him to eat solely solids, especially at 1 year old! The only reason most children are mostly on solids around his age is because they are forced to eat overly tasty (processed) foods which obviously causes them to wean. My wife's issues have little to do with breastfeeding as she has always had to eat large amounts of (processed) foods to keep weight on. It's seems to be even harder with raw foods. I'm suspecting it's an absorption issue. I'm skeptical of the idea of fast and slow metabolisms.
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This is just my 2 cents. I think your going to continue to have trouble keeping weight on, or gaining weight as long as you continue to breast feed. Your baby is getting more and more of your nutrients every single day. Shouldn't your baby be on solid foods already? Remember, what you feed yourself is what your baby is getting as nutrients. I hope you're getting a varied/balanced diet, for your child's sake. I bet once you stop nursing, you will see yourself get stronger and stronger. You don't sound so vibrant and healthy right now. JMO.
Well yeah, according to some common modern parenting methods my son should have started solids between 4-6 months. When he was not able to sit, grab, chew or really swallow yet (babies have a tongue thrust reflex needed for breastfeeding, that is why they spit so much food out, and require to be spoon fed).
He also had no interest in foods, and even by 8,9,10 months he would choke on the smallest chunks and then throw up.
To me that was a sign he was not ready. By 11 months he started grabbing foods and putting them in his mouth, however he is still only able to eat very small pieces. He also will not eat an actual meal, he is testing out food still.
All this did not worry me. One because their digestive system is only partially ready for solids by 6 months, and two because I believe he will know best when he is ready. Babies are all instincts, unlike moms, who are a product of society.
Babies also used to be on mostly breast milk for a very long time, and introducing solids earlier is something modern (and benefits baby cereal and food companies)
Many natural parenting advocates say that a child can be on only breast milk for two years even (1 year olds not eating many solids does not even worry my standard pediatrician). Naomi Aldort, a natural parenting "guru", whatever you want to call her, even mentioned 5 years on mostly breast milk don't harm a child theoretically. She is also registered her as far as I know, but not active. I like some of her thoughts on parenting.
Anyhow, bottom line...we don't force anything.
As far as weight loss and breastfeeding goes - I was able to maintain my weight until not to long ago, when I started cutting out pasta dinners.
I always had trouble gaining, but was able to maintain with a pasta and bread diet before this, and when I added raw butter to the pasta I even gained some.
Breastfeeding only burns an extra 500 calories, regardless of age of the child (milk gets fattier only at some point...not more), I can easily make up for that with one extra meal a day...or a small meal even since some of my meals have 1300 cals.
And I DO make sure I eat balanced and I am not eating grains or dairy or anything like that. Just a mix of cooked and raw paleo at the moment.
I hope that explains it.
Edit: I found the thread where Naomi posted - http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/omnivorous-raw-paleo/weaning/20/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/omnivorous-raw-paleo/weaning/20/)
Paleo Phil also posted some interesting findings at the beginning and end of the thread about how long a child should get only/ mostly breast milk.
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I hope that explains it.
It does. Thanks Suiren. You know more about that than I do. I just thought I'd express my opinion. Thanks for hearing me out. :) ;) . I think your on the right path for yourself and your son. I'm sure everything will workout for you in the long run. Keep the faith, and keep searching for the answers. Their out there! :)
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It does. Thanks Suiren. You know more about that than I do. I just thought I'd express my opinion. Thanks for hearing me out. :) ;) . I think your on the right path for yourself and your son. I'm sure everything will workout for you in the long run. Keep the faith, and keep searching for the answers. Their out there! :)
Thank you, I will! :)
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I am copying this from my journal, some statistics from my new food diary:
Here some stats from my iPod food journal 'my fitness pal"....
Wednesday Aug. 29, 2012
Breakfast 702 cal
Lunch 937 cal
Dinner 742 cal
Snacks 1039 cal
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= 3420 cal :o
My estimated goal to gain by the app was 2100...yeah right. So I went 1320 over.
If I don't gain on this, something is severely wrong. I increased my butter and olive oil intake. Before I was probably eating around 2200.
Typical foods
Eggs
Tiger Nuts (ground)
Coco Nut (ground)
Raw Butter
Avocado
Honey
Carrot
Sweet Potato
Cold pressed olive oil
Meats
And I add different veggies and fruit if I have room. Often onion, cucumber, tomato, bell pepper.
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My two cents:
Plenty of raw honey + plenty of raw fat = rapid weight gain (at least for me, but I would guess for everyone else too).
However, it is highly debatable whether or not a large or regular consumption of honey is healthy. If I recall correctly (I skimmed through a few posts in this thread) fructose intolerance was mentioned. I do not know about the implications this would have with regard to honey consumption.
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My two cents:
Plenty of raw honey + plenty of raw fat = rapid weight gain (at least for me, but I would guess for everyone else too).
However, it is highly debatable whether or not a large or regular consumption of honey is healthy. If I recall correctly (I skimmed through a few posts in this thread) fructose intolerance was mentioned. I do not know about the implications this would have with regard to honey consumption.
Right, that is why I only eat honey once a day. It is also not the most calorie rich food I could pick. Take a look at the foods listed above, those seem to have the highest calorie content (I googled) :)
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Well yeah, according to some common modern parenting methods my son should have started solids between 4-6 months. When he was not able to sit, grab, chew or really swallow yet (babies have a tongue thrust reflex needed for breastfeeding, that is why they spit so much food out, and require to be spoon fed).
He also had no interest in foods, and even by 8,9,10 months he would choke on the smallest chunks and then throw up.
To me that was a sign he was not ready. By 11 months he started grabbing foods and putting them in his mouth, however he is still only able to eat very small pieces. He also will not eat an actual meal, he is testing out food still.
All this did not worry me. One because their digestive system is only partially ready for solids by 6 months, and two because I believe he will know best when he is ready. Babies are all instincts, unlike moms, who are a product of society.
Babies also used to be on mostly breast milk for a very long time, and introducing solids earlier is something modern (and benefits baby cereal and food companies)
Many natural parenting advocates say that a child can be on only breast milk for two years even (1 year olds not eating many solids does not even worry my standard pediatrician). Naomi Aldort, a natural parenting "guru", whatever you want to call her, even mentioned 5 years on mostly breast milk don't harm a child theoretically. She is also registered her as far as I know, but not active. I like some of her thoughts on parenting.
Anyhow, bottom line...we don't force anything.
As far as weight loss and breastfeeding goes - I was able to maintain my weight until not to long ago, when I started cutting out pasta dinners.
I always had trouble gaining, but was able to maintain with a pasta and bread diet before this, and when I added raw butter to the pasta I even gained some.
Breastfeeding only burns an extra 500 calories, regardless of age of the child (milk gets fattier only at some point...not more), I can easily make up for that with one extra meal a day...or a small meal even since some of my meals have 1300 cals.
And I DO make sure I eat balanced and I am not eating grains or dairy or anything like that. Just a mix of cooked and raw paleo at the moment.
I hope that explains it.
Edit: I found the thread where Naomi posted - http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/omnivorous-raw-paleo/weaning/20/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/omnivorous-raw-paleo/weaning/20/)
Paleo Phil also posted some interesting findings at the beginning and end of the thread about how long a child should get only/ mostly breast milk.
You certainly have it figured out. I would have said roughly the same, but it is better to hear it from the expert. It's all theory to me. By breastfeeding a long time you are not just doing your baby a favour, you are doing yourself a big favour as the theory goes that breastfeeding is apparently the best breast cancer preventative medicine.
In societies where mothers spend a long time breastfeeding and having babies, breast cancer is virtually unheard of. The theory goes that menstruation is hard on the body.
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3500 calories at 46kg weight!! I'm seriously amazed that you can eat that much!
Something really doesn't fit here if you don't gain weight.
In societies where mothers spend a long time breastfeeding and having babies, breast cancer is virtually unheard of. The theory goes that menstruation is hard on the body.
I think it's more accurate to say that it's because we have been in such societies throughout most of human history, i.e. women have always been spending a lot of time pregnant / nursing. It's only in recent times that this has changed radically.
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3500 calories at 46kg weight!! I'm seriously amazed that you can eat that much!
Something really doesn't fit here if you don't gain weight.
With raw paleo food, it doesn't work as with cooked food. We found out that it rather often works in the opposite way. That is to say: the more we eat, the more quickly we loose weight. If this is especially true for overweight and obese people, it can also be the case for other persons if they really eat too much. This problem may becomes acute when the person finds herself too thin, panics and absolutely wants to quickly gain weight, thus forcing herself to eat too much. A vicious circle takes place, then.
The explanation could well be that feeding the body with the right food accelerates the detoxination of the abnormal substances it has previously accumulated. Thus, eating less provides a better controlled detoxination and a slow, healthy weight normalization.
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Right, that is why I only eat honey once a day. It is also not the most calorie rich food I could pick. Take a look at the foods listed above, those seem to have the highest calorie content (I googled) :)
I realise that honey is far less calorie dense than fat, however, it is the combination of eating honey and fat that makes one gain body fat. This is because the body will burn the carbs from honey in preference to burning fat. Therefore, high fat + high carb (honey) diet promotes fat storage in the body.
Ofcourse the alternative to gaining fat is to gain muscle by weight training/lifting. But I imagine it will be much easier to gain fat than muscle.
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You certainly have it figured out. I would have said roughly the same, but it is better to hear it from the expert. It's all theory to me. By breastfeeding a long time you are not just doing your baby a favour, you are doing yourself a big favour as the theory goes that breastfeeding is apparently the best breast cancer preventative medicine.
In societies where mothers spend a long time breastfeeding and having babies, breast cancer is virtually unheard of. The theory goes that menstruation is hard on the body.
Menstruation - do you know more about that? I have been wondering.
Mine just returned and for the first time I had some cramps. It was not a whole lot though, talking to other moms I expected a blood bath and pains that can only be dealt with with vicodin ;)
Naturally women really would spend almost all of their child bearing years breastfeeding, since they would not make the child wean, the child would chose when he is ready. This means I might be tandem feeding a toddler and a newborn in the future, nurse throughout pregnancy etc.
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3500 calories at 46kg weight!! I'm seriously amazed that you can eat that much!
Something really doesn't fit here if you don't gain weight.
I think it's more accurate to say that it's because we have been in such societies throughout most of human history, i.e. women have always been spending a lot of time pregnant / nursing. It's only in recent times that this has changed radically.
I was only eating 2100-2500 before I think. But I increased the amount of butter and oil, added avocado and more carbs...now it MUST work...or else :P
Women that are pregnant and breastfeed don't earn a lot of money and whoever is in charge wants a lot of busy workers :/
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Haai
Yes, that is why I added more carbs. I hope it works!
I also have carbs with every meal now.
With raw paleo food, it doesn't work as with cooked food. We found out that it rather often works in the opposite way. That is to say: the more we eat, the more quickly we loose weight. If this is especially true for overweight and obese people, it can also be the case for other persons if they really eat too much. This problem may becomes acute when the person finds herself too thin, panics and absolutely wants to quickly gain weight, thus forcing herself to eat too much. A vicious circle takes place, then.
The explanation could well be that feeding the body with the right food accelerates the detoxination of the abnormal substances it has previously accumulated. Thus, eating less provides a better controlled detoxination and a slow, healthy weight normalization.
I only just started to eat more calories to see if it helps. Before I used to just eat high calorie meals whenever I am hungry, but I think I was lacking calories after having taken out rice. Before I was not losing, not gaining either sadly, but at least maintaining.
I don't think I am stressed enough to be all bones because of it lol ;D I get a little frustrated, make some changes and I'm back to normal.
But tell me more if you think it applies to me so I can understand it better.
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I am trying to remember where I heard that... I think it was one of Malcolm Gladwell's Books, but I also believe there was a female anthropologist who was working in Africa, trying to figure out why breast cancer is unheard of in the area where she was.
Not sure if I mentioned it before but there is an interesting book called "The Continuum Concept" by a woman who passed away not long ago I believe.http://www.continuum-concept.org/home.html (http://www.continuum-concept.org/home.html)
She was in South America living in a town with some aboriginals where she watched mothers raising children and saw some very interesting ways that explain why these people grew up with very healthy minds. The moms basically held the babies all day, so they learned how adults acted and so they acted adult themselves. No temper tantrums. Interesting book.
Your baby looks very happy!
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My kids school is great for social development - family members are allowed to be at school all day, so there are often babies there, and the kids love to play with babies. Also having the kids of different ages mix makes for great fun - my boy loves playing with the little kids. To get more exercise I have started giving kids shoulder rides, and then running around the playground - giddyup horsey!
The social cohesion must be great in small tribal communities - here is a great 70's doc of the Amazon Tribe That Hides From Man:
The Tribe That Hides From Man (1970) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhAvuPlhdNA#)
One of the mothers at school has given me some raw milk and my boy loved it. We got talking about fermented food and she makes a yeast probiotic drink and her indigenous Maori father was always hanging food in trees to cure - eels, sharks & flies. They also had a barrel full of rotting corn she says really stunk.
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I am trying to remember where I heard that... I think it was one of Malcolm Gladwell's Books, but I also believe there was a female anthropologist who was working in Africa, trying to figure out why breast cancer is unheard of in the area where she was.
Not sure if I mentioned it before but there is an interesting book called "The Continuum Concept" by a woman who passed away not long ago I believe.http://www.continuum-concept.org/home.html (http://www.continuum-concept.org/home.html)
She was in South America living in a town with some aboriginals where she watched mothers raising children and saw some very interesting ways that explain why these people grew up with very healthy minds. The moms basically held the babies all day, so they learned how adults acted and so they acted adult themselves. No temper tantrums. Interesting book.
Your baby looks very happy!
Yes, we talked about the continuum concept before! :) I really liked it and tried to recommend it to some moms. Many don't like it though because it is so different from their parenting :(
My son is very happy! He smiles all the time, and he is usually not fussy if we fulfill all his needs (being held, played with, cuddled). He basically gets whatever he needs. I don't believe in 'children should be taught independence' from an early age on. He can be clingy all he wants, I know he won't be like that anymore once he grows into a teen ;)
alive
That video seems interesting! We recently watched something about a tribe in Papua New Guinea, that had not seen any civilization or white men until 1970 something. It was interesting to see the mothers and the children too, I saw some resemblances in how they were carried, and how they were nursed on demand.
One thing my son is lacking sadly is other children to play with. I have been to meet ups, but I think my parenting scares those women off. I was not even going into detail...all it took was my son getting hungry. So I think seeing a breastfed toddler that nibbled on some pre chewed food, but has never had a bottle in his life or ate an actual meal, seems weird to them.
It might have been me too though, can't say I am good at making girlfriends -[
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I wanted to update my progress:
Yesterday I ate 3700 cal, my weight is unchanged. At least I did not lose any more. It has not went up even the slightest bit either though, but maybe I need to wait longer to see ANY changes?
I combine a lot of potent foods, a typical lunch is:
2 eggs
40 grams of tiger nut
50 grams of butter
2 table spoons of olive oil
1/2 avocado
30-60 grams of meat
1 carrot or 1/2 sweet potato, with onions or bell pepper at the moment.
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I think your weight is pretty normal. Being petite is normal for women, but I know how females like to obsess about their looks. You look hot to me.
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Lucky baby : )
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I think your weight is pretty normal. Being petite is normal for women, but I know how females like to obsess about their looks. You look hot to me.
The picture is old
I'm not "females"
I don't obsess
What matters is how I feel about my weight
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Ok ...You seem to get offended very easily. All I said is your weight is normal.
If you want everyone to agree with you then perhaps you should not open yourself up to infinity. This forum does not revolve around you.
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The picture is old
I'm not "females"
I don't obsess
What matters is how I feel about my weight
Feelings aren't reality.
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Feelings aren't reality.
Feelings are an integral part of any meaningful definition of reality since everyone is experiencing their own reality inside which is composed of their sensory awareness, thoughts, and emotions (feelings). And what would be your point anyway? Suiren's feelings about her weight are the only thing actually relevant to her unless she places import on outside factors.
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Its good to be aware that feelings of being underweight may only be feelings. I was trying to be reassuring was the point I was getting at.
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Not sure if this has been posted here before: http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/before-and-after-photos/brady's-before-and-after-pics-gained-20kg-in-3-months/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/before-and-after-photos/brady's-before-and-after-pics-gained-20kg-in-3-months/)
Obviously pretty high carb is necessary, he was eating 1/2kg of honey per day..
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Ok ...You seem to get offended very easily. All I said is your weight is normal.
If you want everyone to agree with you then perhaps you should not open yourself up to infinity. This forum does not revolve around you.
Yes, maybe I shouldn't seek health advise anymore. l)
Maybe you should not be butt hurt to infinity. This forum does not revolve around your ass.
I don't want to hear I'm "hot", you see that squishy thing on my avatar? That's a baby...babies come from husbands, mine is a member of this forum.
You also generalized that "females" tend to obsess, so I must too. You were lacking respect.
All you could have said was that you think my weight might be normal...
based on...what??
wodgina
You have not seen one single picture of my underweight state vs. before, so how can you say that?
And with how I "feel" about it, means what I 'want'. No need to talk about the definition of the word feeling.
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Show me some photos and Ill be brutally honest (comes naturally)
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The internet is serious business isn't it. Oh, the drama!
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I don't get it how you folks don't understand that she doesn't need someone telling her whether she looks fine or not.
And yeah right wodgina, her opinion isn't reality but yours is.
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Not sure if this has been posted here before: http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/before-and-after-photos/brady's-before-and-after-pics-gained-20kg-in-3-months/ (http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/before-and-after-photos/brady's-before-and-after-pics-gained-20kg-in-3-months/)
Obviously pretty high carb is necessary, he was eating 1/2kg of honey per day..
I agree with that. I gained weight using durian and honey. I still use durian when I want to gain weight. Like recently I lost weight because of this pesky chicken pox. So I started buying durian again.
I don't want to hear I'm "hot", you see that squishy thing on my avatar? That's a baby...babies come from husbands, mine is a member of this forum.
Now now. Let's not misinterpret language nuances. "Hot" is an adjective saying your kind of beauty is both pretty & sexy and does not mean that someone is "coming on" to you. It was actually meant as a compliment so smile and blush a little ;D . Be happy! (he was trying to lift your spirits ... seems it was mis understood in german )
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Ahem, back to the topic...
I combine a lot of potent foods, a typical lunch is:
2 eggs
40 grams of tiger nut
50 grams of butter
2 table spoons of olive oil
1/2 avocado
30-60 grams of meat
1 carrot or 1/2 sweet potato, with onions or bell pepper at the moment.
I lose weight on the composition your typical lunch. My simple understanding of fat storage is that the body stores excess carbohydrates as body fat first. Next, it converts excess protein to store it as body fat. The surprise is that eating fat does not make you fat. I see you are eating tons of fat with tweezers-full of protein and carbs = weight loss.
Give yourself something to store as fat (I mean, CARBS!).
GS's suggestion of durian fruit sounds good. I tried durian and found it very tasty and interesting to open and eat. If you look up the nutritional composition of durian, it has so much carbohydrate that it should do the trick. If you can't get them nearby, buy a bag of sweet potatoes and chow down.
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Suiren, I wasn't going to get into this one,, however, I would like let you know of Ron Rosedale and his understanding of how the body functions as a resultant of different amounts of carbs, proteins and fats. He's been doing this (professionally) probably longer than any of us here, except he's not raw. I think he's the real thing. Even if you don't subscribe to his diet suggestions, his understanding of how the body acts as a whole is enlightening. He has a website and blog. Googling his name should easily get you there, if you like.
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So more carbs okay. Should I try to keep up the same amount of fat? Or rather replace the fat with carbs? These meals are getting me pretty full, so I am trying to figure out how to juggle the foods.
Brad
don't start drama if you get all depressed over it. l)
... but I know how females like to obsess about their looks. You look hot to me.
I am way too damn skinny thats for sure. Dunno if I have broad shoulders or not. Never thought about it. I am too skinny either way.
Apparently certain males do too. Just saying.
Now now. Let's not misinterpret language nuances. "Hot" is an adjective saying your kind of beauty is both pretty & sexy and does not mean that someone is "coming on" to you. It was actually meant as a compliment so smile and blush a little ;D . Be happy! (he was trying to lift your spirits ... seems it was mis understood in german )
I still don't think it was appropriate, but I don't want to fight over it. I may not be a master of the English language, but I lived in the US long enough to know when something comes across as rude.
Show me some photos and Ill be brutally honest (comes naturally)
I had enough brutality for today. Don't really want to post pictures of myself either. I want to gain and that's that.
van
Thank you for the suggestion. I will google it.
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So more carbs okay. Should I try to keep up the same amount of fat? Or rather replace the fat with carbs? These meals are getting me pretty full, so I am trying to figure out how to juggle the foods.
Fat tends to give a "full" signal pretty quickly.
First, I would say to make sure you get enough protein. (nursing mother I think is a minimum of 70 grams a day of usable protein, but I think that is way low and should be more like 100g per day.) Usable protein runs about 20+ grams in a 100-gram serving of meat. The rest is water weight. So you might aim for about a pound (500 g) of meat a day. An egg has about 8g of protein.
Next, get your ration of carbs. My wild guess is that it will be at least as much as protein, and probably more.
Then, eat fats.
I come from the opposite end of the spectrum (gain weight too easily), and my take on Rosedale is that he advises how to lose weight, not gain it... but the pivotal factor in gaining/losing is always carbohydrate intake. Metabolism (hormones) and colon health are the other factors.
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Ok you just went through my old posts trying to find dirt on me? Keep looking sweetheart. I will just ignore you from now on because its obvious you have a grudge against the world. Peace.
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I will just ignore you from now on because its obvious you have a grudge against the world.
No, she just doesn't have a good command of English slang, and has chosen to make an ass of herself as a result of the misunderstanding. No worries, I know, as do most people here, that your comment was not rude.
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Suiren, I hope you can just overlook that last comment, so.not.worth.it.
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No, she just doesn't have a good command of English slang, and has chosen to make an ass of herself as a result of the misunderstanding. No worries, I know, as do most people here, that your comment was not rude.
It's a matter of perspective. If someone called my wife "hot" when I was around, they'd better be ready to flex! She has a pretty much perfect understanding of the English language/slang with a perfect American accent, so you have no idea what you're talking about. "Hot" is a trashy word used by trashy people, in MY opinion. It basically means, "I'd have sex with you." I don't take that lightly and neither does she, especially if some random stranger tells her that! If she came off as an ass, especially to people like you, I consider that a great thing!
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I had issues gaining weight at the start.
ps I'll grovel for a compliment must be a living death to be called hot.
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Suiren, I hope you can just overlook that last comment, so.not.worth.it.
True.
Brad
I came across it while searching diet and weight gain. It was hypocritical I thought, that's all.
Wodgina
Try to be in a relationship with a woman who loves to be called hot by strangers, I promise it is not a good foundation. Those are usually the type to be a couch potato at home, but all va va voom when out.
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Suiren, I would have reacted similarly as you and English is my first language. Men that take liberties in their language with women often don't even realize that they come across negatively. It's only when women don't allow it that things will change as social inequalities can get ingrained into common language but need to be addressed by the group they are directed at for a re-education to occur.
Here's an example from my life. I was in Manhattan buying a sweater from vendor on the street and he called me Dear. He didn't mean it flirtatiously, yet it was demeaning. He happened to be an African American. I asked him nicely not to call me that, that he didn't know me and that Dear was a word that my husband uses for me. He said that he didn't mean anything by it and laughed at me a little. I said that I understood he was trying to be nice, but what if I called him "boy" not meaning anything bad by it? His laughing stopped immediately and he apologized. He said that he never looked at it that way before. I said that women have been used through much of history as slaves and second rate citizens so like black people we have to be careful what we let others call us. He thanked me.... sincerely.
When women don't say anything when others call them sweetheart, girl, honey, babe, hottie - or whatever word that is has an element of condescension, belittling or inappropriate closeness of a sexual nature, by their non-reaction they participate in the perpetuation of the social problems that are embedded in the language.
Beyond the wording itself, you made your point well - that it's not about how you look to others - it's about what you would like for yourself. That's also something recent that women have been able to achieve - having their self-image not based upon what men want or "like", but upon what they want for themselves and upon what they consider to be healthy for themselves. It's good that you stand up for that imho.
Anyway - just wanted to say thanks for being a strong woman standing up for yourself out there in the world. I admire you.
Btw - did you ever try any of those "desert" recipes I sent you?
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Suiren, I would have reacted similarly as you and English is my first language. Men that take liberties in their language with women often don't even realize that they come across negatively. It's only when women don't allow it that things will change as social inequalities can get ingrained into common language but need to be addressed by the group they are directed at for a re-education to occur.
Here's an example from my life. I was in Manhattan buying a sweater from vendor on the street and he called me Dear. He didn't mean it flirtatiously, yet it was demeaning. He happened to be an African American. I asked him nicely not to call me that, that he didn't know me and that Dear was a word that my husband uses for me. He said that he didn't mean anything by it and laughed at me a little. I said that I understood he was trying to be nice, but what if I called him "boy" not meaning anything bad by it? His laughing stopped immediately and he apologized. He said that he never looked at it that way before. I said that women have been used through much of history as slaves and second rate citizens so like black people we have to be careful what we let others call us. He thanked me.... sincerely.
When women don't say anything when others call them sweetheart, girl, honey, babe, hottie - or whatever word that is has an element of condescension, belittling or inappropriate closeness of a sexual nature, by their non-reaction they participate in the perpetuation of the social problems that are embedded in the language.
Beyond the wording itself, you made your point well - that it's not about how you look to others - it's about what you would like for yourself. That's also something recent that women have been able to achieve - having their self-image not based upon what men want or "like", but upon what they want for themselves and upon what they consider to be healthy for themselves. It's good that you stand up for that imho.
Anyway - just wanted to say thanks for being a strong woman standing up for yourself out there in the world. I admire you.
Btw - did you ever try any of those "desert" recipes I sent you?
Dorothy, I normally agree with most of what you say, but not that speech. I think it is human to say sweet things to others. I will continue to do it and I notice that when I do it, virtually every woman/man appreciates it. You can see it in their gestures and hear it in their voice. Their heart opens. I think the objective of life is to see and express the sweetness and best in everyone.
You do sound like a cynical victim in that sermon and I know you are much better than that.
There is a world of difference between dear and boy.
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Dorothy, I normally agree with most of what you say, but not that speech. I think it is human to say sweet things to others. I will continue to do it and I notice that when I do it, virtually every woman/man appreciates it. You can see it in their gestures and hear it in their voice. Their heart opens. I think the objective of life is to see and express the sweetness and best in everyone.
You do sound like a cynical victim in that sermon and I know you are much better than that.
There is a world of difference between dear and boy.
Suiren didn't appreciate it - therefore - I'm assuming she didn't think it was sweet. I also did not interpret what was said "you're hot" or having a man analyze if her weight is good or not as sweet.
Just because you don't agree - doesn't mean you have to call my post a sermon - or call me a cynical victim. Are you trying to compliment me with those words too? I can assure you that they did not open my heart.
I really don't think that most people would say anything if it made them uncomfortable because most of the time people that use such language mean well. It takes a great deal of courage to ask someone not to call you something when you know they don't have a clue.
I feel like someone is talking down to me when they use those words with me, much like black friends have described when they have felt condescended to with words like boy and others. You might think there is a world of difference between Dear and Boy in the context that I described - I personally do not. Are you of African American decent Al? If so, then please describe how being called a boy feels to you and I will let you know if being referred to with too personal words with inappropriate sexual overtones feels similar to me as a woman - and perhaps you will understand. .
I don't see myself nor Suiren as a victim. I see Suiren as the opposite actually. That's why I said that I admire her.
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Suiren didn't take it as a compliment - therefore - I'm assuming she didn't think it was sweet. I also did not interpret what was said "you're hot" or having a man analyze if her weight is good or not as sweet.
Just because you don't agree - doesn't mean you have to call my post a sermon - or call me a cynical victim. Are you trying to be "sweet" writing those words?
I feel like someone is talking down to me when they use those words with me, much like black friends have described when they have felt condescended to with words like boy and others. You might think there is a world of difference between Dear and Boy in the context that I described - I personally do not. Are you of African American decent Al? If so, then please describe how being called a boy feels to you and I will let you know if being referred to with too personal words with inappropriate sexual overtones feels similar to me - and perhaps you will understand. .
I don't see myself nor Suiren as a victim. I see Suiren as the opposite actually. That's why I said that I admired her.
I referred to your speech about being called "dear".
I'd be willing to put money on it that the guy you were talking to, was called "dear" by his mother, father, grandfather, grandmother, the lady next door and her husband and so to him he was saying "hey we're all family, or, all us humans are close, maybe even connected". That transcends race etc. Unity consciouusness means we're all connected and we finally realize the accuracy of that statement. That's what self-realization means
I'd also say off hand that the poor guy you gave your speech to, put a little note in his book which said "don't call her anything but 'Hello' if you want her to buy a sweater".
Everybody has been called names in their life, that cut to the bone dear is not one.
If you think that dear has sexual overtones, wow that's a new one on me. That means that every older women in my life was a pervert. My mother, father, neighbours were sexual predators... wow, I'm surrounded. I give up!!!
As I said, you are getting carried away with the victim routine and I know you are far, far better than that.
Whenever an uppidy person (I know you're not BTW) condescends me (shows their moral and grammatical superiority) with a speech like that, I write in my little book, in the back of my memory vaults... "She is in a bad mood today, walk lightly and get ready to run. LOL
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So, if you think what I wrote was just because I was in a "bad mood" that day, why did you not walk lightly? Why do you come back with insults?
You were not there at the interchange. The man was speaking in a way that was too familiar and it was condescending. Many men have done that with all sorts of different words, not just Dear. My mother, my father and my family also call me Dear and I understand that is meant to be because they feel close to me - and I to them. When a strange man says that - they think they are being "endearing". Usually, to a young woman like I was at the time - it is not.
Please give both Suiren and I enough credit to understand when we feel someone is overstepping their bounds in context. Here it is written words so it's not just about the tone and expression that was used as in my example. Here, someone felt that they had the right to call a women a word that to her had sexual overtones that she did not think was appropriate. When she told him so - he rebuked her. He also felt it was his place to tell her what he thought about her weight and that she was being incorrect in her own evaluation of HERSELF!
Whether you think it was a sermon or not is up to you - but what I was trying to do was support Suiren! If she doesn't want anyone here evaluating her weight, calling her hottie - or whatever GOOD FOR HER asking for what she wants and not cowering.
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Dorothy,
I was specifically talking about the term "Dear", not "hot". I've never called a girl "Hot" in my life... to her face. LOL, well except my wife.
My daughters used to get a great giggle out of saying such and such a movie star was a "hottie". I saw no reason to correct their language. I saw they were having fun and I was glad they were happy.
I used to live in a place where everybody called women; "malove" or "girl" etc. and every guy was referred to as "boy" or "bye"or "my son". I got in the habit of it and once called my father in law "Bye". He's French originally but he got a huge kick out of it. To him I was calling him younger than me.
Once when I was in Wichita, my co-worker and I were in a hotel waiting for the courtesy vehicle when my copilot quite innocently called the guy working in the hotel "bye". As I said, everyone did that back home. The guy was African American and about 6 foot 15. My co-worker was about 5 foot nothin.
I immediately jumped to attention and said to the guy that everyone calls everyone that name back home, and nothing was meant by it. One of those cultural things. I could see the extreme pain and anger in the fellows face. It's hard to know how to undo a situation like that.
Here is a heartwarming story about a black man who was shipwrecked in Newfoundland. The story is much more in depth than this reduced version but this guy returned every year to that town in Newfoundland to visit these people who he was terrified of initially but they saved his life. He was unconscious when rescued and when he awoke he was in these people's house and the women were cleaning the oil off of him. He was certain they would kill him when they discovered he was black, because apparently that's what happened where he was from if a black man was naked in front of a white woman.
To these women they knew all too well about shipwrecks as their husbands fathers and sons were fishermen, so his colour meant nothing to them, they were glad to be of assistance.
This guy used to return annually to the town and was written up in the newspaper. I think he set up some kind of a college fund for kids there. The honour he was given, is only bestowed upon Nfld's best and brightest BTW.
http://troubadour.cna.nl.ca/2012/03/14/truxton-pollux-survivor-lanier-phillips-dead-at-88/ (http://troubadour.cna.nl.ca/2012/03/14/truxton-pollux-survivor-lanier-phillips-dead-at-88/)
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2012/03/13/19495986.html (http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2012/03/13/19495986.html)
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Dorothy, I would appreciate it if you would stop dragging my name through the mud over something that I posted almost two months ago. I was not judging Suiren, and who are you to judge me? How can you possibly know what my intentions were? Yeah, I probably should have chosen my words more carefully, but you need to let it go already. Obviously suiren knows much more about her weight than I do.
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Exactly Brad - Suiren knows more about her weight than you do. I'm glad that you have decided to state that showing Suiren that respect.
Let's keep this in perspective shall we instead of going further and further off tangent in ways that I never intended with what I considered to be a similar example from my own life - but not THE ISSUE! Using an example or a metaphor on this forum seems to be the kiss of death - or at least slow torture.
THE point is that Suiren asked that someone not refer to her in a way that she was uncomfortable with particular words that she is uncomfortable with. The point isn't how many people in how many parts of the world are comfortable with what kind of language or who else might be comfortable with any particular word. I am saying that I respect and support Suiren for stating how she felt, asking that it not be done in the future. I respect that she stood up for herself. I still do. That was my point, still is and all this other diversion from what I was trying to point out - I am going to ignore.
When someone says that they prefer you don't call them hottie and your response is to call them sweetheart and you don't expect it to be interpreted negatively - it's not about dragging a name through mud - it's about trying to make you aware of how your language is being interpreted and how it can make someone else feel Brad. I believe you did not have the intention of making her feel defensive, but when you did, your reaction was not conciliatory.
It's not about the particular words - it's about how they are received. If Suiren had the reaction she had and the response was supportive of her desire to be addressed in a way that SHE felt good about - this conversation would not be happening.
People often do not know when they are being insulting. Women often do not stand up for themselves when they feel like they are being talked to in a degrading way or know that it is the other person's intention. Suiren asked for how she wanted to be addressed and it was not respected but argued about.
I'm putting in my own two cents that I appreciate and respect Suiren's desire to be addressed how she wishes and her strength in expressing it - whatever the words - in whatever her culture - in whatever her languages - in however SHE interprets them.
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Discrimination is only something that can happen if the relevant "discriminator" means it, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the perception of the accuser. In other words, if someone uses a politically-incorrect word, meaning nothing by it, he should not be accused of discrimination. The alternative is the use of George Orwell's "Newspeak" and "Doublethink" etc., not a pleasant option.
In the North of England, people in general get called "duck" or "love" as part of normal slang. It would be shameful for a woman(or a man) to get annoyed about that.
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Discrimination is only something that can happen if the relevant "discriminator" means it, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the perception of the accuser. In other words, if someone uses a politically-incorrect word, meaning nothing by it, he should not be accused of discrimination. The alternative is the use of George Orwell's "Newspeak" and "Doublethink" etc., not a pleasant option.
In the North of England, people in general get called "duck" or "love as part of normal slang. It would be shameful for a woman(or a man) to get annoyed about that.
What if a "white" person were to call a "black" person boy meaning nothing by it, but the black person tells the white person that he doesn't like being called a boy and the reasons for it but then the white person says something like, "don't be so sensitive nigger" - I think that is when you know that there is indeed something meant by it. (Btw- that was a very big exaggeration just to make a point - not to be torn apart on it's own grounds. I know no-one called anyone any such name here - it was an extrapolation to make a general point.)
It's not about the use of any original word that is in issue for me, it is that Suiren had a negative reaction but was treated disrespectfully afterward.
If someone here asks not to be addressed in a particular way but the request is not only rejected but the language continued or escalated - I think that is quite disrespectful and meant to be demeaning.
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Off-Topic.
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Agreed Al - all of this has been pretty much off topic to Suiren's thread about wanting to gain weight..
I wanted to respond to what Tyler wrote though as I'm a big fan of George Orwell. ;)
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Like I said, if the person does not believe that he is discriminating, then he isn't discriminating. As regards the "nigger" word, first of all, all it means is "black" so isn't genuinely derogatory in the way that "moron", "freak" "malco" all are. Secondly, it's all relative, as if you used the word "nigger" in Brazil, for example, a black man would be happy with that whereas if you called him "black" he would feel insulted, and the use of that term in the 19th century was routine among many authors without any racist connotation. Then there's the word "negro" which is still happily used by the older generation of blacks in the US but is now frowned upon by the younger generation, yet the word "nigger" is often used in rap lyrics among the young.
What it all boils down to is that almost anything will be perceived as insulting or derogatory by someone somewhere in the world, due to a misunderstanding or a clash of different cultures etc.. Therefore, any kind of political correctness re forcing the use of specific words ultimately destroys any freedom of expression and ruins peoples' lives, introducing an Orwellian nightmare. A case in point being the UK nowadays.
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If you are a male take injectable testosterone..
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Agreed Al - all of this has been pretty much off topic to Suiren's thread about wanting to gain weight..
I wanted to respond to what Tyler wrote though as I'm a big fan of George Orwell. ;)
Still off-topic.
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One thing that helped me gain some weight lately is the free software called cron-o-meter (also available as an online service). I made sure to go over 2000 calories a day and some days I would even go over 3000.
Now, I know counting calories does not seem natural, but when I ate as much as I felt I needed it was usually under 2000 and my weight was dropping.
Another thing that contributed was consuming unfermented milk, miked with honey and closer to body temperature.
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Another thing that contributed was consuming unfermented milk, miked with honey and closer to body temperature.
Contributed to gaining weight for you? Or contributed to the prior unhealthy weightloss? I assume it was to gain, as body temperature milk is agreed on by any person I know who is into natural health with milk a part of it to them. Also, raw milk has put weight on me. Other raw foods do not.
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Like I said, if the person does not believe that he is discriminating, then he isn't discriminating. As regards the "nigger" word, first of all, all it means is "black" so isn't genuinely derogatory in the way that "moron", "freak" "malco" all are. Secondly, it's all relative, as if you used the word "nigger" in Brazil, for example, a black man would be happy with that whereas if you called him "black" he would feel insulted, and the use of that term in the 19th century was routine among many authors without any racist connotation. Then there's the word "negro" which is still happily used by the older generation of blacks in the US but is now frowned upon by the younger generation, yet the word "nigger" is often used in rap lyrics among the young.
What it all boils down to is that almost anything will be perceived as insulting or derogatory by someone somewhere in the world, due to a misunderstanding or a clash of different cultures etc.. Therefore, any kind of political correctness re forcing the use of specific words ultimately destroys any freedom of expression and ruins peoples' lives, introducing an Orwellian nightmare. A case in point being the UK nowadays.
Again - it's all about how SUREN interpreted what was said. Do we choose to respect her for her interpretation or insist that she is interpreting incorrectly and then further use words that could easily be interpreted negatively in response? Why not just respect her boundaries, interpretations and requests?
And yes Al, like so many threads, this indeed has gone off topic. At this point I'm pretty sure that Suiren has gotten my intention of sending her a shout out in support of standing up for how she wanted to be addressed, so I am quite happy to drop it.
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Another thing that contributed was consuming unfermented milk, miked with honey and closer to body temperature.
I've been hearing about ingesting dairy products at room temperature as being much more digestible. I gain weight with cold dairy - makes me wonder if my problems with dairy haven't been due to the fact that I always had them cold?
Do other people that have had problems with dairy also have it cold or do you also have trouble with room temperature dairy?
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I've been hearing about ingesting dairy products at room temperature as being much more digestible. I gain weight with cold dairy - makes me wonder if my problems with dairy haven't been due to the fact that I always had them cold?
Do other people that have had problems with dairy also have it cold or do you also have trouble with room temperature dairy?
Dairy is difficult to digest and if it is consumed cold it approaches impossible. It should be body temperature as that was the way it was designed to be consumed but at least it should be room temperature. Sometimes I add hot water to it to warm it up.
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Hmm, D, I see that you're not a fan of the 1st Amendment.
As regards dairy, I had problems with it cold or at room-temperature. Well, your claim is the same as Aajonus'. Maybe his advice in this regard does indeed work for some people. :o ???
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Hmm, D, I see that you're not a fan of the 1st Amendment.
As regards dairy, I had problems with it cold or at room-temperature. Well, your claim is the same as Aajonus'. Maybe his advice in this regard does indeed work for some people. :o ???
Well AV claims everyone can consume it. I do not claim that. I say that you will increase the odds of digesting it by ensuring you don't consume it cold. Some will not be able to consume it regardless of the temp.
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Hmm, D, I see that you're not a fan of the 1st Amendment.
As regards dairy, I had problems with it cold or at room-temperature. Well, your claim is the same as Aajonus'. Maybe his advice in this regard does indeed work for some people. :o ???
Actually Tyler I'm a BIG fan of the first amendment - that's why I was giving Suiren support for speaking her mind. ;) Just because someone CAN write or say anything - doesn't always mean that others will not respond negatively to it. When in a community of people sharing ideas, looking for support and friendship - I'm not in favor at all of censorship - but I am suggesting that perhaps when someone says that they don't want to be addressed in a certain way, when certain words offend them, that once that is understood people might CHOOSE to hold back addressing them that way or similar ways in order not to make the other person feel uncomfortable unnecessarily. I spoke in hopes that Suiren and perhaps other young women might feel more comfortable. I had the honor of (in a sense) meeting Suiren before she came to the forum and I wanted to do what was in my power, use my own words as much as possible, to let her know that she was and is not alone in her perceptions. That in a sense is my acting on my own 1st amendment rights. ;) I just wonder why anyone (in a forum such as this) would want to make others uncomfortable or escalate language that could easily be interpreted negatively towards an individual or group that is within our group. We're such a small community to begin with. It is likely that everyone will eventually use words or say something that is offensive to someone on a free forum and in a free society. It's the reactions that give us a chance to either escalate or to capitulate that are the most important imho. How is someone going to even know in the first place if what they are saying is considered by the other person to be offensive unless that person tells them? That's why I was giving Suiren a "brava" for speaking out. I've watched countless women in my lifetime cringe without saying anything. I used to do it all the time myself. I don't any more, but it takes more discomfort, time and effort to react instead of just letting it slide. This being a good example of how much effort can be involved. ;D
On the dairy Tyler - I make no "claim" at all! I was just reporting what I've heard others saying lately and was interested in hearing experiences in case it might perhaps make sense one day to try room temp dairy again one day - but that wouldn't be for some time as the negative results of dairy took so long to show up for me that I'm not willing to take that risk yet. So, Tyler, you are saying that room temp or not - still dairy is a no-go for you. Thanks for that info.
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I am surprised to see this thread alive ( and off topic) again.
Thank you Dorothy for understanding, I know what you mean, and while some may argue about which words are harmless, and which are not, I was just personally disliking the combination of "hot", paired with saying that women then to obsess about their weight.
But I let it go. I did not want a lengthy argument over it, I just said what i felt and it kept going because users disagreed with how I felt about it.
Back on topic:
I have not experienced any weight gain, despite counting calories and eating up to 3700 cals a day. So I gave up, I eat small amounts of food when I am hungry and I have lost more weight. I don't really know what to do, but I am tired of stressing about it.
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Hi Suiren, could your body want to lose weight at the moment, and if you just keep eating RP when you are hungry at some time in the future your body may decide to gain weight again?
If you have the health and energy to carry out your daily activities does it matter how much you weigh?
...My appetite is not great, but that is just because I don't like what I eat. Its like "Damn it I have to eat to stay alive..." -\...
Do you like what you eat now that you are waiting to feel hungry before eating?
...I try to avoid dairy mostly because I used to have a lot of hormonal issues (Pituitary Tumor + raised Prolactin, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis) and also because of breastfeeding. I want to give my hormones the chance to be just on their own ;)...
Has your doctor recommended drug treatment to compensate for these hormone imbalances?
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Hi Suiren, could your body want to lose weight at the moment, and if you just keep eating RP when you are hungry at some time in the future your body may decide to gain weight again?
If you have the health and energy to carry out your daily activities does it matter how much you weigh?
Do you like what you eat now that you are waiting to feel hungry before eating?
Has your doctor recommended drug treatment to compensate for these hormone imbalances?
I have less energy and strength than I do with more weight, but seeing bones is also not good on the eyes.
My family is really starting to worry about me. I haven't told them the full truth about my diet. I told them I need to avoid certain foods.
I like eating my diet better when I am hungry of course, but I don't love what I eat. I love to eat Pasta, Bread, rice all the bad stuff. I don't like meat, veggies and fruits all that much.
I used to take medication for the Thyroid and the Pituitary Tumor when I had problems. I stopped the meds for the pituitary tumor in pregnancy though, so I could breastfeed. And a few months later the thyroid hormones, since they have always made me feel miserable. I was symptom free before meds, and miserable on meds, now I am normal again.
My doctor also said I don't really need them at the time, since I don't really have Hashimoto's anymore. Just anti bodies still, but less.
As far as the prolactin goes, it was high at 6 mos. postpartum and caused me so much hair loss, I started having bald areas, but then it just stopped, and now my prolactin is normal, which means no more tumor, or that it shrank to the point where it does not cause a rise in prolactin. Either way is good :)
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I have no experience with your situation, so please ignore this if it sounds too stupid!
Since forcing yourself to eat has not worked, have you considered fasting until until you really want to eat RPD foods?
It would seem extremely unusual for a relatively healthy animal to just stop eating until it dies, so it would make sense for your body to want to eat eventually!
Did you take the probiotics you mentioned earlier? I found some that say they are in an acid resistant capsule to get through the stomach intact, and then break down in the intestines.
Have you stopped breast feeding yet? This would seem to be a good idea - you could pre-chew food for your baby to give yourself a break (I used to chew up carrots for my kids when they were babies).
How are you getting on now with eating raw animal fat & offal?
Another option is for you to go back to eating foods that you prefer, possibly with a healthier twist.
What if you ate more nutritious cooked high-carb paleo-like foods - yams, pumpkin, kumara, potatoes, turnips, swedes, carrots etc - would that be a compromise that might work for you?
I suppose I don't love eating RAF and RVF compared to how I loved eating ice cream and cake, but its worth it to be healthy, alert and energetic by chomping on bits of fatty meat & offal!
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I have no experience with your situation, so please ignore this if it sounds too stupid!
Since forcing yourself to eat has not worked, have you considered fasting until until you really want to eat RPD foods?
It would seem extremely unusual for a relatively healthy animal to just stop eating until it dies, so it would make sense for your body to want to eat eventually!
Did you take the probiotics you mentioned earlier? I found some that say they are in an acid resistant capsule to get through the stomach intact, and then break down in the intestines.
Have you stopped breast feeding yet? This would seem to be a good idea - you could pre-chew food for your baby to give yourself a break (I used to chew up carrots for my kids when they were babies).
How are you getting on now with eating raw animal fat & offal?
Another option is for you to go back to eating foods that you prefer, possibly with a healthier twist.
What if you ate more nutritious cooked high-carb paleo-like foods - yams, pumpkin, kumara, potatoes, turnips, swedes, carrots etc - would that be a compromise that might work for you?
I suppose I don't love eating RAF and RVF compared to how I loved eating ice cream and cake, but its worth it to be healthy, alert and energetic by chomping on bits of fatty meat & offal!
Yes, it is definitely worth the health improvements! I am surprised how many problems of mine are already gone, after just a short time of eating better.
I eat a little one side sometimes, but buying a variety of fresh produce and meats would really cost a lot more and likely exceed our budget.
I do try to mix my boiled sweet potato with veggies for variety, add seasonings or even try to do a curry sauce with coconut milk, but often I don't have the time for that because of my son and I decide to just eat whatever goes fast, to save myself the hassle of trying to keep him from taking the place apart while preparing food.
I did not actually fast, because I tend to get really jittery or even dizzy and pass out (used to deal with hypoglycemia a lot), but I ate a very low amount of calories for a while, and just gradually started increasing, hoping my body will take the opportunity to gain now.
I was once told that often diets fail because the body is trying to store more fat, thinking it is a time of hunger, and when the dieter starts eating normally again you gain a whole lot at once...hoping for that ;)
My son does eat some solids now, not a whole lot but he snacks on things here and there. I will likely be breastfeeding until I am done having children, since I am doing child led weaning, just like in nature.
It does not drain me though, and it only burns 500 additional calories a day that is evened out by an increase in appetite. I had the same weight problems before breastfeeding, only in pregnancy I gained a little weight , and was happy with 51kg at 165cm. It is still thin, but okay for me. I kept on weight, even while breastfeeding every 1-2hrs then, when I was still eating sad foods. Since going all paleo I started dropping weight.
I could not re-introduce some foods even if I wanted to. I have bad reactions to pretty much all non Paleo foods now, aside from coffee, raw cheese and a few legumes, which I still don't consume.
Some raw animal products I have problems with. Often wild caught fish gives me a really sore, swollen throat, yet farm fish does not, cooked fish is better too.
I don't have a problem with raw meat, it does not taste great, and I don't love the fatty stuff, but I can get it down. I haven't gotten into aged meat yet though, and I season it a little.
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A piece of info Suiren you might be interested in if you don't already know - coffee can curtail the appetite. It can put a great deal of pressure on the adrenal function too which also can affect the appetite and is quite bad for hypoglycemics. Coffee makes the body to release adrenalin which then makes the body release sugar into the blood stream from the body's stores of fat - so for people with blood sugar problems coffee can keep those disease processes in place.
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A piece of info Suiren you might be interested in if you don't already know - coffee can curtail the appetite. It can put a great deal of pressure on the adrenal function too which also can affect the appetite and is quite bad for hypoglycemics. Coffee makes the body to release adrenalin which then makes the body release sugar into the blood stream from the body's stores of fat - so for people with blood sugar problems coffee can keep those disease processes in place.
I have it like once in a blue moon. Special occasions like birthdays and such. Just wanted to note I don't have any effects from it like stomach ache, nausea or acne. That is what I usually get.
I know these things listed above are not good,
I have bad reactions to pretty much all non Paleo foods now, aside from coffee, raw cheese and a few legumes, which I still don't consume.
and I don't eat them, just know my reaction to them.
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I know these things listed above are not good,and I don't eat them, just know my reaction to them.
Ah ok - figured that might be the case - but thought I'd throw in my little wrap about coffee and hypoglycemia anyway just in case - ya know - for the masses. :)
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Some raw animal products I have problems with. Often wild caught fish gives me a really sore, swollen throat, yet farm fish does not, cooked fish is better too.
Farmed fish is virtually free of parasites, wild fish like salmon on the other hand will almost always have them (more than 50%). I'm just not sure if wild fish is always frozen specifically with the goal to kill the parasites; more likely not, unless it's meant for eating it raw (e.g. sushi or raw herring). Herring for example has to be frozen immediately by law, even though then it is typically kept in brine for a long time.
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That makes sense. Maybe in the future I can tolerate wild caught fish better. But for now the detoxes are too strong. I have to go slow with a baby to take care of.
Dorothy
Sure ;) I can only imagine what coffee does to people who drink multiple cups a day. My parents probably have 4-7 a day (small European cups ;)
My hypoglycemia has gotten so much better. You could almost say I am problem free, since I have not experienced any problems lately. :)
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Farmed fish is virtually free of parasites, wild fish like salmon on the other hand will almost always have them (more than 50%). I'm just not sure if wild fish is always frozen specifically with the goal to kill the parasites; more likely not, unless it's meant for eating it raw (e.g. sushi or raw herring). Herring for example has to be frozen immediately by law, even though then it is typically kept in brine for a long time.
I also have red that most wild salmon has parasites.
Is there any way to find out if they're frozen to kill them? I've heard regular freezers don't go cold enough to kill the parasites. Is that true?
Also can fish parasites live in us land animals?
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Farmed fish is virtually free of parasites, wild fish like salmon on the other hand will almost always have them (more than 50%). I'm just not sure if wild fish is always frozen specifically with the goal to kill the parasites; more likely not, unless it's meant for eating it raw (e.g. sushi or raw herring). Herring for example has to be frozen immediately by law, even though then it is typically kept in brine for a long time.
Ocean-caught wild fish is very low in parasites. Wild freshwater fish usually do have parasites, however.
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please use the raw. thanks. -v
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please use the raw. thanks. -v
Thanks for the tip. I'll make sure to use the raw....
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Farmed fish is virtually free of parasites, wild fish like salmon on the other hand will almost always have them (more than 50%). I'm just not sure if wild fish is always frozen specifically with the goal to kill the parasites; more likely not, unless it's meant for eating it raw (e.g. sushi or raw herring). Herring for example has to be frozen immediately by law, even though then it is typically kept in brine for a long time.
As a matter of health principle and the sea food I get here in Manila, I avoid eating farmed aquatic creatures / fish. I strive to get wild ocean. I have not encountered parasites in any of my wild ocean creatures I eat.
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I am surprised to see this thread alive ( and off topic) again.
On topic, lately I had fast serious weight gain by following SPLEEN improvement methods and eating SPLEEN enhancing foods. Consciously eating more YANG foods than YIN. Look into traditional chinese medicine and the spleen.
Bone broths everyday made from fish (complete with innards and heads) or bone broths using beef of many various parts with very long boiling times... is warming, heals the gut, very YANG, you can add hot chili in them. (I'm healing my 11 year old boy's guts).
I have raw fermented ginger with meals that help immensely with giving nutrition to the spleen to help efficiently digest meats. (for my boy too).
Avoid anything cold. Do not eat your raw paleo foods cold... warm them up to body temperature so you don't expend energy to warm them up. Even drinks, no iced drinks. Yang stuff / warming stuff. Look up yang foods. look up spleen foods.
You will be looking at traditional chinese medicine and ayurvedic medicine for spleen. Those 2 regional medicines are very big on spleen.
I gave my son Tung Shue Cow Head pills for 2 months. The stuff works. I tried it myself, and I gained serious weight fast. 5 pounds in a week. With all the above stuff.
Look into supplementing with Ginseng, I did. My TCM healer says ginseng is not for children.
This dad does treatments for his child on himself 2 steps ahead of his own son.
Hope my weight gain experiments help you too.
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On topic, lately I had fast serious weight gain by following SPLEEN improvement methods and eating SPLEEN enhancing foods.
This is not particularly important, but the spleen is not the correct organ, it's a mistranslation. The actual organ that the Chinese are referring to is the pancreas.
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GS, what SPLEEN enhancing foods do U eat? I look the definition (also after talk with my acupuncture doctor) it is steam veggies and beans...
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GS, what SPLEEN enhancing foods do U eat? I look the definition (also after talk with my acupuncture doctor) it is steam veggies and beans...
Try this PDF file http://www.eastmountain.ca/3spleenyang.pdf (http://www.eastmountain.ca/3spleenyang.pdf)
Lately I've been drinking the hot soup stocks I prepare for my 11 year old boy.
The fermented ginger at meals.... this is really something... the mere taste and I can feel the stimulation.
I also make ginger teas, good for business clients too... more warmth.
And I try to follow that PDF above, less cooling fruits...
And the food temperature thing. I've stopped eating my fruits, vegs and meats refrigerator icy cold... and stopped drinking ice cold lemonade.
I'm also taking ginseng supplements every morning... the warm thing works.
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Farmed fish is virtually free of parasites, wild fish like salmon on the other hand will almost always have them (more than 50%). I'm just not sure if wild fish is always frozen specifically with the goal to kill the parasites; more likely not, unless it's meant for eating it raw (e.g. sushi or raw herring). Herring for example has to be frozen immediately by law, even though then it is typically kept in brine for a long time.
Yes, true.
Wildcaught mackerels from Norway that I sometimes get here are very often full of parasites.
I just try to pick them away the best I can but eat the heads and fish raw anyways. I never got any ill effects yet. I eat sweet water fishes too that can have parasites, raw at times, at least the heads as a smoothie. I am doing this as a personal experiment to see what the parasites are doing to me. So far I feel just great and nothing is moving in the toilet either.. :o
I have done it almost a year now.. we will see where this goes. At least I have no problem holding my weight. I actually have gained some this fall, but I am thinking it is just natural to do so, every animal gain in fall too. I am confident I will lose the few pounds this winter..
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i'd like to start by saying that i am not a breastfeeding mother, nor will i ever be (i am a father). i am not a professional or school educated dietitian, and these facts may make me the least qualified person to be posting in this topic. i started reading some of the posts, but lack the energy to read all seven pages of replies. if i sound like an idiot, if you think i'm crazy, or if anyone disagrees, this is not the thread to debate, please pass over this reply... i merely wish to offer my opinion. i apologize if i repeat something i did not read.
i interpret there being two parts of your original post:
as far as your concern about producing enough milk for your child, a quick google search of "what foods increase breastmilk production", will bring up plenty of articles relating to this. these foods have nothing to do with you gaining (or losing) weight, just that they help increase milk production. whatever dietary course you choose, it may be prudent to include some of these food items in your menu.
as far as you gaining weight, i would be wary of consuming large amounts of foods that are so high in fat (like recommended by some)... keeping in mind there are fats that are "good", and fats that are "not so good". consuming large amounts of saturated fats (like found in dairy and animal products) can have negative effects on your health, even if taken with the interest of gaining weight. unsaturated fats would be a better option, but keep in mind that there are healthy limits to the amounts of each you consume. eating fats, may not be the best way to "get fat", especially if you lounge around inactive (in an effort to not burn the fats you're consuming). i feel, in the interest of gaining healthy weight, activity is better than lounging, since gaining muscle mass is better than gaining fat mass... this does not mean you need to pursue bodybuilding activities. if food / nutrient absorption is a problem, an active lifestyle would cause you to crave and consume even more food, increasing your chances of getting what you need nutrutionally.
excessive calorie consumption, whether you are active or inactive, will cause unused calories to be stored as fat. this is why people who are trying to lose weight, and are on a low fat diet, may not lose weight, because their calorie consumption exceeds their body's needs. this explains why sometimes, a person can gain weight on a low fat diet... too many calories.
if you, and your doctor, have established how many calories your body needs on a daily basis (whatever your metabolism rate is), then consume more calories than you need in your diet, and include those foods on the "increasing breastmilk production" lists you can find online in your menu. if eating large amounts of foods makes you feel ill, then choose foods that are highest in calories, you will need to eat less of these, therefore the amount of foods you eat will be less, with the same caloric effect.
if your current diet plan (whether raw, or cooked) doesn't provide you with what you need to maintain a healthy weight, you should reconsider your diet. tailor a menu that meets your personal needs, and go with that. if the foods on the breastmilk production list are not part of your personal diet plan, you should remember that caring for your child takes priority over everything else, even your desire to participate in a particular diet style... modify your diet to allow your child, and yourself, to be healthy. when your child is weened, and no longer dependant on you for food "production", you can try a different diet to satisfy you.
if, for your own immediate needs, find you should cleanse, detoxify, or deparasite, then produce as much milk as you can prior, pump it, and store it, for your child to use while you go through this process.
good luck, and best of health to both mother, and child.
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I would like to see from what sources you have determined that saturated fats aren't good for you health, in any amount. I am speaking of raw and from healthy animal sources, such as grass fed. And what unsaturated fats you're promoting. thanks
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bookittyrun,
If you read the thread you would discover what some of us guys may not intuitively know which is that breast feeding mothers are not in need of an exercise routine and someone who has a slight small build is hardly likely to suffer from excessive fat consumption. Lounging around all day is not likely to happen.
Very few if any here are trained as a nutritionist and my experience is that those who are don't know if they were punched or bored. The ones I know are generally anywhere from overweight to bordering on obese. They typically work in hospitals and I don't think it is necessary to talk about the food they dish out there. It's as if they are feeding people what put them there in the first place.
Nutritionists will strongly advise against eating raw. Ignorance is bliss.
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bookityrun, you sound so much like me when I first started the diet lol.
I used to toute the benefits of unsaturated fats, and evils of saturated fats, as promoted by the medical industry.
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for those who wish to comment to me, please find a new thread in the "omnivorous raw paleo diet" section... i would like to keep this thread on track...
continue to offer personal advice to this original poster.
thanks!
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bookittyrun
it is no problem, I don't mind going OT on my thread if I can learn something.
Foods that promote breast milk production are a good thought for sure. I am making sure I do eat some, but for the most part, only herbs like fennel, cumin or fenugreek really help.
[quote if the foods on the breastmilk production list are not part of your personal diet plan, you should remember that caring for your child takes priority over everything else, even your desire to participate in a particular diet style... modify your diet to allow your child, and yourself, to be healthy. when your child is weened, and no longer dependant on you for food "production", you can try a different diet to satisfy you.][/quote]
Fortunately, the best diet for me is also best for my child. Any diet that would satisfy all my (healthy) needs, will benefit him too. I full transitioned to this diet because I wanted to make sure he gets good breastmilk, not grain fed SAD breastmilk :)
I get most of my fat from raw butter. For weight gain I also eat some carbs like sweet potato and carrot (some other carbs suggested here are hard to find :(), honey, avocado, coconut cream.
It seems to me, that my past diet messed with my digestion in a way that my body does not use and store nutrients and calories well. I do think this is improving though, since I have been able to at least hold my weight on less calories than a while ago (I ate up to 3700, now I need much less to maintain).
I eat more honey and butter and gained a little bit of weight. I went from 46,5 kg to 48,5....BUT I haven't checked my weight recently, so that might have changed.
Good thing is that I DID gain at least some weight though.
Lounging is what I would do if I weren't chasing a toddler ;D I have never been this active, aside from when I was young maybe and still into sports and horses.
I must at least have a lot of muscle on my arms, because when I go places I have to hold him for hours often. 5 was the longest I held his 25lbs body. Oh and he is so fast and wants to be chased around the house, jump on top of me, get into things... ;)
I don't think I will be doing any strong detoxes any time soon. I don't really pump, I hate it ^^ and I never fed him with a bottle...I am not sure he would be okay eating this way for more than just a few times/ half a day.
He eats more solids now, he prefers meat and fruits, but still needs a lot of milky.