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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 17, 2012, 11:54:28 am »
Thanks to all who informed me that grain-finished stuff is unacceptable. Sigh! Why would they do that!

There's a lot to learn and it looks like you are on your way. Don't give up!
I thought I learned everything about the ultimate diet--raw vegan!

Thanks to all again for the info and encouragement.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 17, 2012, 06:12:44 am »
Tyler, thank you for sharing your experience of cooked meat diet. I definitely will not try that diet now.
It is wonderful that you have found RVAF works for you. I hope I will have success with it too.
What raw vegetables are good for health? Some people on this forum seem to be against all vegetables and some are against fruits to a large degree. It is somewhat confusing to me.

Cherimoya, thanks for your response.  What if the beef/bison/bone marrow is from a herd that is grass-fed on pasture but is grain-finished (fed with grain mixed with grass the last couple months before slaughter to fatten the herd)? That is the only kind  of bone marrow so far I could find at local grocers. As to beef/bison, my local Whole Food/Sprouts stores label just says “grass-fed.” I do not know if it is grass-finished. If I cannot find grass-fed and grass-finished stuff, I guess grass-fed and grain-finished (for the last couple months) is not that bad?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 16, 2012, 02:26:51 pm »
Tyler,  thank you.  Your former (unsuccessful) experience with so many diets gives me good hope that raw paleo diet must have merits. I will give it a try.

Was your cooked Paleolithic diet experience no good at all?

I have found marinated beef tastes quite alright.  I will up my intake of beef and see what happens. 

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 15, 2012, 10:32:25 am »
Tyler. Thank you for your response. Wow, raw dairy indeed did not do you any good! Did you have any immediate discomfort after consuming raw dairy which told you that raw dairy was not good for your health? (Raw dairy and raw salmon/scallops are my main stay right now. But if raw dairy is indeed not good, I will consider doing without it.)

What is RVAF diet? It does not mean Raw Vegetable And Fruit diet, does it? (I guess you would not say Raw Vegan diet has healed you of all health problems on this Paleo forum.) May I ask what your diet was before RVAF?

Cherimoya, Thank you for your encouragement. Since so many people in this forum love raw red meat, I guess there is a good chance I will learn to enjoy it.  I get grass-fed beef from my local Whole Foods. I take in a good amount of coconut  oil and dairy cream. I plan to  master red meat before I tackle raw suet/marrow. One task at a time.

I saw grass-fed bison sold at grocers. It is a bit pricy. Will you guys say bison is a good source of red meat?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 14, 2012, 11:50:31 am »
Tyler, Thanks for sharing your personal experience.  May I ask how soon your health problems started to heal after you began eating raw red meats? (I am trying to get more motivation to eat red meat I guess.)

KD, Thanks for your explanation.

So I am trying raw grass-fed beef. For the past three days I could only manage to swallow about one oz. each day. I am trying another method: I am marinating it with some lemon juice and spices right now; hopefully I will find some good recipe to help me adapt to the taste of raw beef. Taste change is possible, right?

BTW, will you guys say that lightly cooked red meat is injurious to health? Is raw fish better than lightly cooked red meat in terms of healing the body?

Dorothy, Thanks for your encouragement. I do hope my taste will change soon.
Concerning fish, I did contact one fish company last night—Copper River Seafoods. Following is their speedy email reply:

“All of the fish that goes through our process that gets frozen before leaving our site meets the HACCP criteria that you stated below and is parasite free. With that said, we cannot guarantee if the vendor maintains those same numbers once it hits their facility. Our fresh/frozen fish is intended to be cooked before consumption for that very reason. There are two solutions to guarantee that there are no parasites once the consumer gets the product home: The fish can be ran through a hard freeze again by following the criteria stated below or the fish can be cooked to the recommended temperature.”

So now I feel very good about buying frozen fish packages from this company. My fear of parasites is not just for health reasons. I just feel it is very yucky to have live worms inside my body!

I have been focused on mastering raw red meat and I have not yet have the courage to get to raw animal fat yet. What is suet exactly?   My dictionary told me that suet is the fat around kidneys. Does it taste different from the white fat inside and around grass-fed beef pieces sold at grocers like Whole Foods?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 13, 2012, 04:48:54 pm »
Tyler, may I ask what is meant by "rebuilding" or "real repair work in the body"?  Does it refer to the day-to-day repairing (for everyone) or repair for major health problems?

BTW, it seems to me from reading this forum that red meat is emphasized often because it helps men to build big muscles and add weight. As a petite woman I am less motivated by that benefit.

I do want to figure out the most optimal diet for my health.  I have been a raw vegan for a few years and this raw paleo diet is all new for me. Thank you for you help.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 13, 2012, 03:00:12 pm »
If you've never had raw animal fat straight - you're in for a treat (at least if you are like me). I rarely want meat - but I sure want fat! Marrow and suet are quite amazing.
Don't forget fatty fish like salmon. I love that stuff.
If you are willing to eat dairy make your own raw fermented butter and you will think you've gone to heaven.
Mmmmmmmm. Fat!

Dorothy, Thanks for responding. I have read much in this forum.  A number of people said suet tastes like wax! Marrow gets better rating. Maybe one day I will try marrow. Is there any parasite warning about marrow?
I have eaten salmon sashimi for years. Right now I eat wild caught alaskan salmon daily. But a little research on wild salmon worries me. This site advises against wild salmon:
http://www.beyondsalmon.com/2006/10/parasites-in-fish-part-2-anisakis-and.html

Also:
"...the parasite destruction guarantee is accomplished by ‘freezing and storing seafood at -4°F (-20°C) or below for 7 days (total time), or freezing at -31°F (-35°C) or below until solid and storing at -31°F (-35°C) or below for 15 hours, or freezing at -31°F (-35°C) or below until solid and storing at -4°F (-20°C) or below for 24 hours’ which is sufficient to kill parasites."

Do you know if the frozen wild-caught alaskan salmon bought in the grocers has been frozen at this temperature? I think I may try to find out from the fish company. Also, do you know what is the lowest temperature our home freezer can get?

I love dairy.  But I have read a number of less-than-positive comments on dairy in this forum. Otherwise I would just rely upon raw dairy.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 13, 2012, 11:35:50 am »
Hi, Tyler. Did Aajonus explain why  the proteins in raw dairy and raw eggs are not as useful for rebuilding the body as those in raw muscle-meats?

CitrusHigh, Yes I am aware that there is probably no raw coconut oil in the market. On the other hand, coconut oil is very stable and I think heating does not cause damage to its nutrients except for enzymes.  I think all the “scientific”   reports on the benefits of coconut oil are based on using non-raw coconut oil.  So I would hope coconut oil is a good source of fat in general.  I use coconut oil from Tropical Traditions. Their coconut oil is heated minimally following traditional methods.

Cherimoya, is your question for Tyler or for me? I have not tried raw butter. I would think raw dairy cream and raw butter are almost identical nutrition-wise.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 13, 2012, 03:01:11 am »
    I did AV style raw fresh made coconut cream and salmon on this diet way before I got to marrow, brain, backfat and suet too.

Hi, RawZi. So what is the difference between doing coconut cream/salmon and doing marrow/brain etc. in your experience?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 13, 2012, 02:59:25 am »
  Well, I think even Aajonus states that the proteins in raw dairy and raw eggs are not as useful for rebuilding the body as those in raw muscle-meats.

There is another concern too. For example, some people who have had no problems with raw dairy at all re allergies have found that they got magnesium-deficiency from it(too much excess calcium in the diet can lead to magnesium-deficiency).

Thanks for answering, Tyler. It is good to know about proteins in dairy vs. proteins in muscle meats.
On the other hand, I would like to know about the "fat" part of dairy. In other words, is "fat" part of the dairy fine?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 12, 2012, 02:45:21 pm »
I wouldn't advise making it your one and only source of raw animal fat.

Tyler, what is the reason that fat from raw dairy is not to be used as the main source of fat?
BTW, I also take in a good quantity of coconut oil (good source of saturated fat) and raw salmon.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 12, 2012, 02:18:59 pm »
Tyler, Thank you for the article.

I have never had a problem with milk/dairy, whether raw or not. So will grass-fed raw cream from a local farm be a good source of animal fat for me?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: examples of raw animal fat
« on: January 12, 2012, 12:41:39 pm »
Raw marrow, raw suet, raw tongue, raw brains. Otherwise raw dairy(non-palaeo , though). But raw fat exists also in raw muscle-meats, especially in the fattier kind such as raw mutton.

May I revive this old thread and ask why dairy cream is not an optimal sourse of fat in Paleo diet? It contains little, if any, of the dairy sugar and dairy protein which some people are sensitive to.

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Primal Diet / Re: raw milk vs. raw cheese?
« on: January 06, 2012, 09:38:39 am »
Van, Thank you for telling me that the healthy Swiss  mountains peoples eat much dairy. That gives me peace of mind about eating raw dairy.

Tyler, Thanks for endorsing raw fish (to a degree). I will keep trying to find the kind of raw wild-caught salmon that is as tasty as the kind I ate at restaurants, which I really enjoyed. (Maybe their super fatty salmon was farm-raised!) The “Wild Alaskan Sockeye Salmon fillet”I just purchased is not super tasty. I hope to find the kind of salmon that pleases me better. Maybe in some future time I could enjoy raw beef, etc. Who knows.

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Primal Diet / Re: Is this fish OK? please help
« on: January 05, 2012, 11:55:00 am »
Cherimoya, Thank you for your response.  I tried all kinds of raw seafood at good Chinese/Japanese restaurants a number of times. It turned out I only like salmon. When I buy salmon, I only buy wild caught Alaskan salmon.

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Primal Diet / Re: raw milk vs. raw cheese?
« on: January 05, 2012, 11:48:32 am »
Thank you RawZi.

I do not have indigestion problem. I want to add raw dairy because I don't feel healthy after having been on a raw vegan diet for a few years. I get my raw pasture-fed dairy from a local farm which I trust. The farmers told me their cheeses are heated between 90 degrees and 117 degrees during cheesemaking process. I like raw cheese very well. So far I do not have any problem eating cheese. My face glows a little bit since I have added raw dairy to my diet.  The cheese is salty. Before I eat the cheese,  I soak sliced cheese in filtered water in the fridge for one day  till almost all the salt is soaked out. (I add the salty soaking water to my herbal teas--which makes the herbal teas delicious; so I guess no nutrients are lost).

I would be very content just eating raw vegan diet with raw cheese. But as I browse this forum, I read so many negative comments  on raw cheeses!  It looks like "raw meat" is considered superior to cheeses. I would never dream of eating raw beef or pork or chicken (I do not even like cooked steaks). But raw fish might be quite OK with me. Is wild-caught raw fish considered a type of "meat"?

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Primal Diet / Re: raw milk vs. raw cheese?
« on: January 04, 2012, 06:20:33 pm »
Thanks RawZi.

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Primal Diet / Re: raw milk vs. raw cheese?
« on: January 03, 2012, 04:20:50 pm »
RawZi, I did not succeed in locating that thread. What is the title of the thread? On which Forum? Thanks.

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Primal Diet / Re: Is this fish OK? please help
« on: January 03, 2012, 04:13:27 pm »
I don't know if the fish I bought is GE. On the package it says "Certified Sustainable Seafood MSC...This product comes from a fishery which has been certified to the Marine Stewardship Council's environmental standard for a well-manged and sustainable fishery."
I have been eating a very-high-raw vegen diet for a few years. It did not bring me optimal health. So I have added raw dairy these past couple of months.   Now I am trying raw fish.

I very very occasionally ate raw salmon at Chinese/Japanese restaurants. The raw salmon there was very tasty but cost $60 a meal (someone else was paying).  I wish I knew where to buy the salmon served at those good restaurants. The restaurant-salmon tastes better than the salmon I bought this time.

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Primal Diet / Is this fish OK? please help
« on: January 03, 2012, 08:00:27 am »
I am brand new to the raw animal meat diet. After reading much in this forum, I am cautiously trying raw fish.
My local Sprout store is selling this frozen "Wild Alaskan Sockeye Salmon fillet":  On the package it is written that the salmon is "Wild Caught in the Pristine Waters of Alaska (Coppe River)... product of USA" 
Will people say this salmon is safe to be eaten raw?
Thank you for helping out.

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Primal Diet / Re: raw milk vs. raw cheese?
« on: January 03, 2012, 07:52:51 am »
RawZi, will you please direct me to the post where you talked about your son's milk diet? Thanks.

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Primal Diet / Re: raw milk vs. raw cheese?
« on: January 02, 2012, 06:42:34 am »
Here are dozens of modern-day witnesses of the healing power of raw pasture-fed milk:

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/YOURStory.html

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Primal Diet / Re: raw milk vs. raw cheese?
« on: January 02, 2012, 06:39:24 am »
Many thanks to all who have replied. Your input gives me food for thought.

The author of the milk diet booklet did witness/gather a large number of impressive cases of healing. That is why I am considering doing the milk diet to improve my health. However, he wrote this booklet in 1923. So some of his reasoning could be faulty. That is why I am asking for input. Now I think green juice may be a good supplement while doing this milk diet.

Again, if anyone knows of reasons against raw cheese, please let me know.

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Primal Diet / raw milk vs. raw cheese?
« on: January 01, 2012, 07:49:35 pm »
I am thinking of doing a raw-milk-only diet for a couple of weeks. The booklet in the following link explains the healing power of a milk-only diet. I can obtain pasture-fed raw milk/dairy at a local farm.

http://milk-diet.com/classics/macfadden/macfaddenmain.html

However, I would like to modify this milk-only diet by including raw cheese  (with plenty of water) along with raw milk.
My question is: Is raw cheese as good as raw milk? Does anyone know?

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