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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Welcoming Committee => Topic started by: chucky on January 22, 2010, 11:40:04 pm
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Hey, I´m from Estonia which is one of the Baltic states in Europe. I first got interested in zero carb when reading articles by "The Bear" and then got interested in raw food. I could never thought of eating raw food as I was such a paranoid about parasites and worms and all those bacteria that could be on the meat. Even when I would have eaten one piece of raw meat, I would get worms and get sick. Well, I was wrong. I was brainwashed by the media. But don´t get me wrong, I just jumped in for this lifestyle.
For about a week and a half, I have been eating almost zero carb cooked meat but except the milk as I somehow get depressive and negative thoughts if not consuming any dairy. But few times I have also tried raw meat and today I "drank" raw egg straight from the shell and ate about 400g of ground beef all raw. What an adventure! I liked the taste because it was sweet and tender and not tasteless and hard like the cooked meat is.
It was all good to the point of eating all of it. Later I got muscle weekness, I was tired and somewhat thirsty which never stopped. It was same with the raw egg. Is it normal to feel tired after eating raw meat as I just begun eating raw ? And could non-stoppable thirst be from detoxing like I have read from the forums ? I feel better after drinking the water but soon the thirst and tiredness returns.
I will keep testing and trying with different raw foods. And lots of good information to read from the forum. Thank you for the forum!
Jarnapal
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Hello.
I experience thirst like what you mention after eating a lot of raw meat. I quench my thirst with hydrating raw fruit. Try raw omnivore next time. Try raw vegetables next time.
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Welcome Jarnapal. :)
I personally get tired and thirsty if I'm eating too much protein and not enough fat.
As you got these symptoms when eating the egg as well (with a fat dense yolk) you might just be dealing with the typical keto-adaption people transition through when they cut back/out carbohydrate sources.
I don't recall overwhelming thirst being a problem during this transition though so it's possible it's a combination of the two.
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I experience thirst like what you mention after eating a lot of raw meat. I quench my thirst with hydrating raw fruit.
But it's not good to combine meat, that digests at very low ph levels with fruits which digest at high level.
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Hi Jarnapal
I've just started too and I get noticeably thirsty after eating raw meat. It could be detox, or - a sudden brainwave - maybe the meat is bloodless - it's dehydrated - days away from the way we'd have got it after a kill?
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That brainwave has led to another.
Maybe people like warm cooked meat because that's how it was originally - hot steaming, juicy flesh coming straight out of a fresh kill.
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Hello.
I experience thirst like what you mention after eating a lot of raw meat. I quench my thirst with hydrating raw fruit. Try raw omnivore next time. Try raw vegetables next time.
I seem to put on weight easily when combining vegetables or fruit with lots of meat. Also, as I am so new to this, it just could be carb addiction because 400g of ground beef doesn´t seem like much. But then, when I drink glass of water I feel better but soon am thirsty again. Definitely something to monitor if the thirst lessens over time as detoxing takes place.
Welcome Jarnapal. :)
I personally get tired and thirsty if I'm eating too much protein and not enough fat.
As you got these symptoms when eating the egg as well (with a fat dense yolk) you might just be dealing with the typical keto-adaption people transition through when they cut back/out carbohydrate sources.
I don't recall overwhelming thirst being a problem during this transition though so it's possible it's a combination of the two.
Thanks djr_81.
Not eating enough fat could have been the case. I was eating only ground beef. I will check it out next time when eating it. Will boil some pork fat (for safety) as beef fat is not available here. Pork fat is sold everywhere.. :)
I have been looking for keto-adaption. I have been following almost zero carb for over a week. At the beginning I was feeling more tired but my energy is returning slowly. But I´m not sure that if eating raw egg yolk would push me into keto immediately.
I will increase my fat.
But it's not good to combine meat, that digests at very low ph levels with fruits which digest at high level.
I have also read about it that it´s not good to combine meat and fruits as different digestive juices are needed. I was following it for a while a year ago and truth is my digestion got much better. I also didn´t drink any water with the meals and when I started to drink with meals again, I felt the difference. Something like putting some pepper on food or not. Pepper helps with nutrient absorption but excessive water would dilute the digestive juices ( at least it is what I have read about. Sorry if I was wrong). But then, taking fruits on empty stomach would give a sugar rush that someone who is sugar senitive wouldn´t like.
Hi Jarnapal
I've just started too and I get noticeably thirsty after eating raw meat. It could be detox, or - a sudden brainwave - maybe the meat is bloodless - it's dehydrated - days away from the way we'd have got it after a kill?
It´s so overrated subject. Everyone is talking about detoxing these days. I hope it´s true and that the detox hype is not overrated.
What I can think of my thirst (if it´s not related to low fat) is that body is ready to release toxins but asks for water to expell the toxins.
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But then, taking fruits on empty stomach would give a sugar rush that someone who is sugar senitive wouldn´t like.
I eat fruits on empty stomach quite often. That way the're easily digested. About one hour after fruits I eat my whole meat-and-fat meal.
Read this - http://drbass.com/sequential.html
But when I eat dried fruits I eat it with raw butter 1 hour after last morsel of meat.
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I eat fruits on empty stomach quite often. That way the're easily digested. About one hour after fruits I eat my whole meat-and-fat meal.
Read this - http://drbass.com/sequential.html
But when I eat dried fruits I eat it with raw butter 1 hour after last morsel of meat.
Thanks for the link Hannibal. I visited it once. Lots of good information on it.. Whats good with zerocarb is that you never ever can combine your foods wrong. But there is also a statement not to combine different protein sources with what I kindly disagree with.
Do fruits ever make you gain weight or are you strictly watching your intake of calories ?
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Do fruits ever make you gain weight or are you strictly watching your intake of calories ?
I'm not watching my intake of calories. I eat as much as I like and as it's good for my digestion.
I do not gain weight even if I eat 5 thousand calories. I'm slim.
My weight fluctuates according to seasonal changes - at the beginning of the automn it goes up and at spring it goes down.
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But there is also a statement not to combine different protein sources with what I kindly disagree with.
combining cheese, egg yolks and meat with each other is indeed unhealthy
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combining cheese, egg yolks and meat with each other is indeed unhealthy
Oh sorry I was referring to meat and fish.
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Oh sorry I was referring to meat and fish.
I myself do not combine them.
When I eat fish I eat it first and then wait 1-1,5 hour and I commense eaing muscle-meats, organ-meats and fat.
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I have upped my intake of fats and muscle weakness doesn not seem to bother me anymore. Thanks, I feel better now on this point.
But since going to zero-carb or VLC I have started to blush easily. Sometimes my face gets red whenever I want to ask something in crowded people or when I am in airless classroom, my face just goes red like it´s hot there.. I will try 1g of Vitamin C next time as I suspect that my cortisol might be high but what can I do more about this ? Or is it just a period - zero-carb adaption ?
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Blushing is a natural reaction to emotion in some people. Maybe your body's natural blushing reaction is starting to work properly.
(Although it might be an uncomfortable state for you, I read somewhere that there is some evidence that people who blush and seem shy are more attractive to members of the opposite sex, maybe because they are seen as honest and virtuous.
I've found a (silly) link (but it means I didn't imagine it):
http://www.javno.com/en-lifestyle/blushed-faces-seen-as-attractive_247695 (http://www.javno.com/en-lifestyle/blushed-faces-seen-as-attractive_247695))
EDIT: More simply, everything natural is beautiful.
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Hi Jarnapal and greetings from the other side of the border!
Blushing is almost always a subconscious reaction. Anyhow, there`s several types of redness. Since your reactions developed after consuming better food, I would not be concerned about it. Don`t be unsure.
Do you know Aajonus? He told me that we shouldn`t worry about immune system. Medical "professionals" get benefit from your fear. So, don`t think your cortisol levels. They`ll normalize over time. Hardly any of us recommends synthetic vitamins. Vitamin C a.k.a ascorbic acid, is strongly irritating poison.
I recall that you mentioned ground beef. Whole cuts are always preferable, because they don`t oxidize as much.
Pork is never recommended, due to un-special grain-feeding.
The EU gives you all kind of problems. Use of gaseous carbon dioxide (-80) in slaughterhouses is one. Tonfish isn`t a clever choice, they`re always halfly raised. As well as other seafood like oysters, due to radiation (herbs, fruits and raw cheeses are radiated also).
Find out every potential hunter and small-scale (organic) farmer.
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Hi Jarnapal and greetings from the other side of the border!
Blushing is almost always a subconscious reaction. Anyhow, there`s several types of redness. Since your reactions developed after consuming better food, I would not be concerned about it. Don`t be unsure.
Do you know Aajonus? He told me that we shouldn`t worry about immune system. Medical "professionals" get benefit from your fear. So, don`t think your cortisol levels. They`ll normalize over time. Hardly any of us recommends synthetic vitamins. Vitamin C a.k.a ascorbic acid, is strongly irritating poison.
I recall that you mentioned ground beef. Whole cuts are always preferable, because they don`t oxidize as much.
Pork is never recommended, due to un-special grain-feeding.
The EU gives you all kind of problems. Use of gaseous carbon dioxide (-80) in slaughterhouses is one. Tonfish isn`t a clever choice, they`re always halfly raised. As well as other seafood like oysters, due to radiation (herbs, fruits and raw cheeses are radiated also).
Find out every potential hunter and small-scale (organic) farmer.
Is there any eu or british law stating raw cheeses should be irradiated? Or is it done to preserve shelf life?
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Blushing is a natural reaction to emotion in some people. Maybe your body's natural blushing reaction is starting to work properly.
(Although it might be an uncomfortable state for you, I read somewhere that there is some evidence that people who blush and seem shy are more attractive to members of the opposite sex, maybe because they are seen as honest and virtuous.
I've found a (silly) link (but it means I didn't imagine it):
http://www.javno.com/en-lifestyle/blushed-faces-seen-as-attractive_247695 (http://www.javno.com/en-lifestyle/blushed-faces-seen-as-attractive_247695))
EDIT: More simply, everything natural is beautiful.
Hey!
When some blushing might be natural and beautiful then flushing definitely is not. I think I described my face redness wrong with blushing. It´s more like face flush like seen on this picture http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/1/12981/19_2007/Picture%201_1.png
It´s winter here and it never happens outside! :) But when in the classroom , there is much less oxygen and much warmer. I am 20 and it should not happen as I wasn´t experiencing facial redness before ;). What I found is that it could be from increased blood pressure or hormones. Hopefully it´s just temporary and disappears when I am through keto-adaption. Thanks.
Hi Jarnapal and greetings from the other side of the border!
Blushing is almost always a subconscious reaction. Anyhow, there`s several types of redness. Since your reactions developed after consuming better food, I would not be concerned about it. Don`t be unsure.
Do you know Aajonus? He told me that we shouldn`t worry about immune system. Medical "professionals" get benefit from your fear. So, don`t think your cortisol levels. They`ll normalize over time. Hardly any of us recommends synthetic vitamins. Vitamin C a.k.a ascorbic acid, is strongly irritating poison.
I recall that you mentioned ground beef. Whole cuts are always preferable, because they don`t oxidize as much.
Pork is never recommended, due to un-special grain-feeding.
The EU gives you all kind of problems. Use of gaseous carbon dioxide (-80) in slaughterhouses is one. Tonfish isn`t a clever choice, they`re always halfly raised. As well as other seafood like oysters, due to radiation (herbs, fruits and raw cheeses are radiated also).
Find out every potential hunter and small-scale (organic) farmer.
Hello Kokki! Nice to see someone closer.
Yes I might definitely agree with it being psychological but something must be increasing my bp (I have heard of body trying to cool down the blood, just like in elephants. They cool their blood by moving the ears). Or it could be increased anxiety. But like I said in the first quote I am hoping that it´s just because of increased fat and my body trying to manage it.
Well, I still might try that Vitamin C because it´s not just blushing (it´s lovely when girls blush but me Flushing.. No :) ) but whole face getting red and it´s very uncomfortable.
I haven´t bought any ground beef right now til I get answer if it´s 100% GB. It looks always too good to be true :) I would love to give up pork but our beef cuts are so lean except ground beef which is 80/20. I will try eating more fatty fish like herring which is really cheap here.
"herbs, fruits and raw cheeses are radiated also" Really ?
Thanks Kokki.
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... it´s not just blushing (it´s lovely when girls blush but me Flushing.. No :) ) but whole face getting red and it´s very uncomfortable.
I asked a female friend and she told me that she thinks a guy blushing is very attractive, but I'm sure, like you say, she means this http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_04/BlushMenREX_468x322.jpg (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_04/BlushMenREX_468x322.jpg), not this: http://nakedloon.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/red-faced-mayor-full.jpg! :lol:
Oddly after I posted about blushing I had a bath, and when I went out into the corridors of my flats (which are kept stupidly hot, as the communal parts of the building are run by pensioners), I went bright red, a real flush, just as you described because I saw myself in the mirror in the lift. I felt parboiled, and it was a relief to get outside. I was redder and hotter than I ever remember experiencing. I too am just changing over to RAF, so maybe it's a typical detox symptom, or some sort of temperature regulator is resetting. (Or again, maybe it's just getting healthy, and a cave man would have got red and sweltering hot in my stupidly hot corridor.)
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Is there any eu or british law stating raw cheeses should be irradiated? Or is it done to preserve shelf life?
Hygiene (twisted concept!) and longer shelf-life are reasons for that. You have farmer markets in UK, so you don`t have to worry.
jarnapal
Organic products aren`t irradiated.
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I was shopping for meat today and found oxtails (beef tails) and bought some. Are those bones eatable ?
I am also happy to report that after taking 1g Vitamin C (I did also use salt and potassium chloride to increase my Na/K), I didn't experience the flushing face today which I described before. Although It's not paleo but it eliminated the social barrier that I started to experience.
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I was shopping for meat today and found oxtails (beef tails) and bought some. Are those bones eatable ?
I think Jamaican people boil oxtails to make soup. I think it gives a lot of minerals and amino acids to the broth. I'm sure people of many cultures do this, but I think it is more common and celebrated with them.
Maybe a farriers file would serve to grind them down raw for bone-meal use.
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I think Jamaican people boil oxtails to make soup. I think it gives a lot of minerals and amino acids to the broth. I'm sure people of many cultures do this, but I think it is more common and celebrated with them.
Maybe a farriers file would serve to grind them down raw for bone-meal use.
Is it safe to eat them raw or better to be boiled ? Heh, using farriers for the bones. Nice idea ;) Can I get calcium overload eating bones ?
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Is it safe to eat them raw or better to be boiled ?
I've never seen them. I assume most (natural) animal products if not all are better raw. If you are accustomed to cooked foods, this would be a good one. It would have to be cooked all through, not just whatever meat or skin might be on them. Like I said, not having seen them, I have little conception.
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I was shopping for meat today and found oxtails (beef tails) and bought some. Are those bones eatable ?
I love chewing on bones of all kinds - I always have, even though for nearly all of my life the bones were cooked and some could splinter dangerously. (People used to tease me about being a caveman.) I have certainly chewed the bones in ox-tail soup. And just this morning I was chewing on the remains of my raw lamb leg bone in the bath (so as not to make a mess). I guess it depends how strong your teeth are.
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I've never seen them. I assume most (natural) animal products if not all are better raw. If you are accustomed to cooked foods, this would be a good one. It would have to be cooked all through, not just whatever meat or skin might be on them. Like I said, not having seen them, I have little conception.
I suppose you already googled them but nevertheless here is a picture of oxtails
http://mllenoelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/raw-oxtails.jpg (http://mllenoelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/raw-oxtails.jpg)
They look yummy and I have exactly the same looking things in my fridge! Probably I will find out tomorrow how "awfully" they can taste :)
I love chewing on bones of all kinds - I always have, even though for nearly all of my life the bones were cooked and some could splinter dangerously. (People used to tease me about being a caveman.) I have certainly chewed the bones in ox-tail soup. And just this morning I was chewing on the remains of my raw lamb leg bone in the bath (so as not to make a mess). I guess it depends how strong your teeth are.
So the bones are edible with our teeth ? I understand that one who has eating SAD can't crack the bones with their teeth. I remember having problems with my teeth when I was young. They used to crack easily. Never had problems now since my diet has improved over the years until now when I went paleo but I would be careful eating it right now :)
Thanks for replying.
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I suppose you already googled them but nevertheless here is a picture of oxtails
http://mllenoelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/raw-oxtails.jpg (http://mllenoelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/raw-oxtails.jpg)
They look yummy and I have exactly the same looking things in my fridge! Probably I will find out tomorrow how "awfully" they can taste :)
Thank you. I wonder if I can find them around here. Tell us how they taste and how edible you find the bones. They look good. I bet the spine stuff in the middle is great too.
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I love chewing on bones of all kinds - I always have, even though for nearly all of my life the bones were cooked and some could splinter dangerously. (People used to tease me about being a caveman.)
I used to chew on all the bones too. Before I became VEGAN FOr NEARLY 30 Years, I remember someone said to me "I don't have to tell you there are children starving in Africa". I didn't like meat back then, unless it had a bone in it. Thinking back, although I didn't like meat, I did like bones. I found the marrow, tendons, gristle, and cartilage to be nice to chew on and swallow bits. I chewed open whatever bones I could, like chicken. I chewed on fish bones (and fish skin). I don't think I was like a caveman, more like a skinny canine that somehow disliked the meat every single dinner and lunch. I did like sweetbreads when I tried them as a child, I liked them a lot. I (accidentally) frustrated my parents to no end maybe, them buying good meat, me not really enjoying it and going gaga over the bones. I had never had the opportunity for raw bones back then.
Thirst for minerals? Need for connective tissue?
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I suppose you already googled them but nevertheless here is a picture of oxtails
http://mllenoelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/raw-oxtails.jpg (http://mllenoelle.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/raw-oxtails.jpg)
They look yummy and I have exactly the same looking things in my fridge! Probably I will find out tomorrow how "awfully" they can taste :)
So the bones are edible with our teeth ? I understand that one who has eating SAD can't crack the bones with their teeth. I remember having problems with my teeth when I was young. They used to crack easily. Never had problems now since my diet has improved over the years until now when I went paleo but I would be careful eating it right now :)
Thanks for replying.
I certainly couldn't have cracked the rock hard white parts of the lamb bone I was eating this morning with my teeth. (Although once I got the cartilage off the ends, I could gnaw some way into the porous red bone underneath. Eventually I gave up, and later on I gave it to my sister's dog.)
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Thinking back, although I didn't like meat, I did like bones. I found the marrow, tendons, gristle, and cartilage to be nice to chew on and swallow bits. I chewed open whatever bones I could, like chicken. I chewed on fish bones (and fish skin). I don't think I was like a caveman, more like a skinny canine that somehow disliked the meat every single dinner and lunch. I did like sweetbreads when I tried them as a child, I liked them a lot. I (accidentally) frustrated my parents to no end maybe, them buying good meat, me not really enjoying it and going gaga over the bones. I had never had the opportunity for raw bones back then.
Thirst for minerals? Need for connective tissue?
I liked every bit too - and still eat all the shell and legs and heads of shrimps, and scavenge out most of fish-heads. (One reason I could never be a whole hearted veggie when I was under that spell, was that I loved meat and fish so much. The other was, that it was pretty obvious everything gets eaten when it's dead - so why is it better that maggots and worms eat a rabbit than me? As for killing them - well it's also pretty obvious that people's use of land is so rapacious, that if they weren't edible/usable the only cows and sheep alive would be in zoos and the odd wildlife sanctuary - so they would never even have a life to lose.)
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I bet the spine stuff in the middle is great too.
unfortunately, there's no marrow or spinal stuff in the middle. it's just bone. the fat around the muscle is good though
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Thirst for minerals? Need for connective tissue?
Possibly. Do you have any of the symptoms of connective tissue disorders or mineral deficiencies at http://www.ctds.info?
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Possibly. Do you have any of the symptoms of connective tissue disorders or mineral deficiencies at http://www.ctds.info?
LOL ever hear of UCTD/MCTD? I haven't looked at your link yet but yes I have the old blood work etc to prove I have had severe problems with that.
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Yes, I'm familiar with the quite a number of cases of UCTD/MCTD, "overlap syndrome," "lupus overlap syndrome," etc., and many of its symptoms run in both sides of my family, particularly the relatives with more heavy Irish ancestry, and in myself. The CTDS.info site is the best on CTD I've seen. Sandy Simmons did one hell of a job and her info was very informative at a time when there was little info on the subject on the Internet beyond her site. She was way ahead of most of the doctors and scientists in connecting the dots. CTD is one of the classic diseases/syndromes of civilization. It's a constellation of symptoms that baffles physicians who call it "idiopathic" (unknown cause) in their ignorance. In general, "idiopathic" really means "disease of civilization," aka "disease of biological discordance."
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I used to chew on all the bones too. Before I became VEGAN FOr NEARLY 30 Years, I remember someone said to me "I don't have to tell you there are children starving in Africa". I didn't like meat back then, unless it had a bone in it. Thinking back, although I didn't like meat, I did like bones. I found the marrow, tendons, gristle, and cartilage to be nice to chew on and swallow bits. I chewed open whatever bones I could, like chicken. I chewed on fish bones (and fish skin). I don't think I was like a caveman, more like a skinny canine that somehow disliked the meat every single dinner and lunch. I did like sweetbreads when I tried them as a child, I liked them a lot. I (accidentally) frustrated my parents to no end maybe, them buying good meat, me not really enjoying it and going gaga over the bones. I had never had the opportunity for raw bones back then.
Thirst for minerals? Need for connective tissue?
It does feel like mineral deficiencies or addictive/psychological. But if it was mineral deficiencies, you would crave on different other foods also unless the bones contain some unique stuff that simple foods don´t have. Clacium ?
I certainly couldn't have cracked the rock hard white parts of the lamb bone I was eating this morning with my teeth. (Although once I got the cartilage off the ends, I could gnaw some way into the porous red bone underneath. Eventually I gave up, and later on I gave it to my sister's dog.)
Hehe, I thought you were eating the whole bone with your teeth. My imagination of cracking the teeth not the bone was right.unfortunately, there's no marrow or spinal stuff in the middle. it's just bone. the fat around the muscle is good though
What about those foods containing bone marrow. I read up from the google about people ordering bone marrow which and they will be served with the bone filled with liquid bone marrow.
I read about Aajonus eating one stick of butter with a banana 4-8 times a day after strong mushroom poisoning which destroyed his liver. I wonder why was he doing it. Does it have some kind of healing benefits (I mean the banana and butter combination). I tried it also and ate 100g butter with a banana. Well, if it doesn't have any healing benefits, it tasted damn good! Next day I mixed the banana with butter and ate it. It really is a treat! Next time I will mix it and try putting it into the fridge. I wonder if it takes the hardened shape.
Heh, it's far away from zero carb but I will try not to make it into a habit :)
It's funny how my mother caught me munching on butter today. I was eating the butter and my other said "Please don't eat it, your cheeks have grown so big already" (I have been doing paleo for ~2 weeks) . I wonder if it's psychological and my mother is just imaging it as my cheeks have not grown bigger but the face lines have become more sharper.
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It does feel like mineral deficiencies or addictive/psychological. But if it was mineral deficiencies, you would crave on different other foods also unless the bones contain some unique stuff that simple foods don´t have. Clacium ?
Milk (pasteurized) made me throw up, I couldn't stand ice cream many-a-time (pasteurized). I loved all green leafy vegetables prepared in any manner or not prepared, I disliked most grain, I loved to eat plain almonds and cooked or sprouted lentils and figs and my teeth were tiny (and late) and my bones were very thin. I had other various signs of possible blood calcium deficiency. I also had those marks in my nails. I did not like salt much either, and not soy. Yes, I think calcium could have been one of my mineral deficiencies.
Pasteurized Milk
Nutritional Values
Minerals--
After pasteurization the total of soluble calcium is very much diminished. The loss of soluble calcium in regards to infants and growing children must be a very important factor in growth and development, not only in the formation of bone and teeth, but also in the calcium content of the blood, the importance of which is now being raised.
Hah I wrote a little dramatically, like I was a dog, liking to chew bones.
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Ok I just ate my oxtails. (Thinking pause how to put it into the best words)
I haven't had anything like this before. All the beef sold here is lean and had to munch on butter to get my fat. These oxtails were full of fat. I feel so satiated! I cooked them only on the sides to make them warm/hot. It tasted so good that I am going to include it as a main part of my diet. I loved the taste of fat and the tissue. It was like a sweet treat.
But there is a small drawback about the oxtails. It takes hell of a time to eat them raw. I tried to eat them raw as much as possible. I probably ate them for an hour and I am boiling the rest right now. If you want to eat oxtails raw better make sure you have some very sharp scissors or knife.
I wonder if cavemen would cook the rest to get all the meat from the bone...
Unfortunately there was no eatable bone marrow inside the bone as I hoped.
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It takes hell of a time to eat them raw. I tried to eat them raw as much as possible. I probably ate them for an hour and I am boiling the rest right now. If you want to eat oxtails raw better make sure you have some very sharp scissors or knife.
goodsamaritan has scissors he uses on and recommends for meat.
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Yes, I'm new to this and I've mainly been using scissors. I started off trying to dice things or hack bits off with a knife. Now I sometimes notch it with a knife, but then pull (sometimes with my teeth) and use scissors a lot.
I was a bit worried I wouldn't like my meat raw, but I must have a pretty clean palate. Raw tastes just like cooked meat only better. I ate some raw calves' liver the day before yesterday, and it tasted just like cooked liver (which I love) but a lot sweeter. (Not even a need for scissors it was so soft - just teeth.)
(By the way, the liver had the odd hole in it like Swiss cheese. Does anyone know if that means something about the animal's health? It came from Germany, and it said the animals were "specially selected" whatever that means. In the future I want to get organic grass fed livers from my posh butcher. I've been too shy to visit them yet.)
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Yes, I'm new to this and I've mainly been using scissors. I started off trying to dice things or hack bits off with a knife. Now I sometimes notch it with a knife, but then pull (sometimes with my teeth) and use scissors a lot.
I was a bit worried I wouldn't like my meat raw, but I must have a pretty clean palate. Raw tastes just like cooked meat only better. I ate some raw calves' liver the day before yesterday, and it tasted just like cooked liver (which I love) but a lot sweeter. (Not even a need for scissors it was so soft - just teeth.)
(By the way, the liver had the odd hole in it like Swiss cheese. Does anyone know if that means something about the animal's health? It came from Germany, and it said the animals were "specially selected" whatever that means. In the future I want to get organic grass fed livers from my posh butcher. I've been too shy to visit them yet.)
When I bought beef lifer a week back, it also had a hole. It's probably nothing to worry about.
Holes in beef liver:
(http://www.organics-online.co.uk/acatalog/organic_beef_liver.jpg)
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When I bought beef lifer a week back, it also had a hole. It's probably nothing to worry about.
Holes in beef liver:
(http://www.organics-online.co.uk/acatalog/organic_beef_liver.jpg)
Thanks. I guess it's normal then, at least. I was a bit worried I had eaten the liver of some sort of 'boy in the plastic bubble' calf after I read this:
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/03/07/8247.aspx (http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/03/07/8247.aspx) :lol:
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When I first started with paleo and very low carb diet, I was consuming only one kind of a butter. Every time I ate decent amount of this kind of butter I got minor erection. It was pretty funny. Whenever I ate this butter, I got an erection 8) . But later when I switched the brand of my butter, unknowingly I didn't have the erection anymore as I ate the butter. I thought it was something my body was adjusting to and it was done with it. But today I ate the same butter I was eating at first and got an erection. The butter that gives me erection is probably from better feed, probably grass fed. Although, I am not sure about the other butters.
Is there any explanation to this :) ?
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Maybe you're reacting to some hormone in the raw butter?
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Maybe you're reacting to some hormone in the raw butter?
Interesting... Butter full of testosterone ? Almost works like Viagra!
Besides that, we don't have any raw butter in Estonia. We can get raw milk directly from the farm but any of them seems to make raw butter.
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When I first started with paleo and very low carb diet, I was consuming only one kind of a butter. Every time I ate decent amount of this kind of butter I got minor erection. It was pretty funny. Whenever I ate this butter, I got an erection 8) . But later when I switched the brand of my butter, unknowingly I didn't have the erection anymore as I ate the butter. I thought it was something my body was adjusting to and it was done with it. But today I ate the same butter I was eating at first and got an erection. The butter that gives me erection is probably from better feed, probably grass fed. Although, I am not sure about the other butters.
Is there any explanation to this :) ?
Butter does contain hormones, but its more likely due to the increased vascolur activity of the butter, in the same way viagra induces erections, but on a smaller scale, ie through increasing the supply of blood
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When I first started with paleo and very low carb diet, I was consuming only one kind of a butter. Every time I ate decent amount of this kind of butter I got minor erection. It was pretty funny. Whenever I ate this butter, I got an erection 8) . But later when I switched the brand of my butter, unknowingly I didn't have the erection anymore as I ate the butter. I thought it was something my body was adjusting to and it was done with it. But today I ate the same butter I was eating at first and got an erection. The butter that gives me erection is probably from better feed, probably grass fed. Although, I am not sure about the other butters.
Is there any explanation to this :) ?
I got something similar when I started eating cheese. I used to eat what's generally considered healthy with no animal fats. When I started eating cheese, I got something like you describe... This was ~3-4 years ago... I don't generally eat cheese as it's high in salt, and it's dairy. But when you've only had grains/salads/fruits/milk and small amounts of lean meat the animal fat makes a big impact.
I've been eating cooked meat since I was ill(from tough fat) and it tastes so bad... I need to eat some acidic & watery fruit with it as well as lots of water. Fruit I don't like now either, so I've ended up eating stuff with grain and everything since it all seems equally bad now after my 'trial' with raw meat. The only problem is, I can't get enough 'melt in the mouth'(or even close) type fat, so I get the opposite of what you describe... Extremely low libido. I get small amounts in only some packs of meat when I'm lucky. The hard, tough fat(referred to as suet by many, as it's virtually the same texture as the fat around the kidneys which I believe is the actual definition of suet) doesn't taste nice in the first place and is indigestible to me. It just sits in me and makes me severely ill. I'm really hoping someone can tell me a suitable substitute for soft-fat, as even if(and I should make an effort to) find a source of meat which comes with this, it'd still be good to have a back-up for when I don't get enough...
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I'm really hoping someone can tell me a suitable substitute for soft-fat, as even if(and I should make an effort to) find a source of meat which comes with this, it'd still be good to have a back-up for when I don't get enough...
Within living memory, practically everyone used lard or tallow in their kitchens, and nobody had a problem with it.
Commercial lard is always poisoned where I live, so you'll have to make your own.
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Is lard quite solid? I always imagined it being soft, but I have some 'Beef Dripping' in my fridge which I thought was like lard; but it's solid stuff. It has tasted of nothingness when I've had any of it.
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The commercial lard I have is soft, but it has preservatives so I haven't touched or opened it for 5 years, doesn't need refrigeration. I'm not old enough to remember the good stuff.
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I have Lard here in Estonia that has no additives and comes from quality source. Like William said, it's soft on room temperature, a bit tougher but extremely sticky when refrigerated and hard enough to cut with knife when freezed.
I tried eating lard (rendered pigs fat) by it self... It would be better if it's enough to just rub it on your skin and you will absorb everything.. The taste was not peasant at all. Haven't tried spreading it over my meat though..
Butter does contain hormones, but its more likely due to the increased vascolur activity of the butter, in the same way viagra induces erections, but on a smaller scale, ie through increasing the supply of blood
Actually it's interesting. Got the same result from eating ground beef. Although, I don't have that kind of erection with that butter anymore.
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OK! I had this problem with flushing face as I described before in my previous posts on this thread.
Some anxiety made my face go red and it only happened in classroom where there was lesser oxygen and never outside. So the problem was with oxygen or with the heat as my body was trying to cool down the blood by widening blood vessels in the face. What helps me prevent the flushing face was decreasing the amount of milk I drank. Milk could have cause more mucous to form. Secondly, I started to make my own kefir which might help by increasing bifidobacteria and decreases ammonia. And thirdly, I started to consume raw eggs. Vitamin A or other nutrients ?
I hope it helps.