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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: Charlie4444 on May 19, 2012, 09:59:30 am
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I deal with zero ability to socialize and have fun with anybody, it's like my brain really has zero of anything that used to be me. I'm 23 now, and this happened at age 20, but before age 20, I played golf, did trips and activities with friends, went to a lot of parties, liked to drink socially, played soccer, played music, went to concerts, chased girls, etc. I don't do any of this stuff anymore, and when I try, it's like I never liked it in my life. I be with friends and have zero feeling of fun or enjoyment, zero interest in golf, and after a sip of beer, all these symptoms are magnified and I become really silent and tired and depressed, when before I used to drink and it would make me feel good, and often function better at parties. Now, I function worse after some alcohol, which doesnt make sense to me, and don't tell me to change my values on this one! Is there anyone who has had this and reversed it and got their old self back?
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hello charlie,
I was reading that high meat helps with brain function.You should start there,theres a post on this forum.I hope that helps
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forgot to add that you could become your own success story!
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Hi Charlie, I had a similar depression start when in high school. I think it was related to a microbe imbalance through eating sugars and carbs, low exercise, and being stifled by family and school. One day I was feeling great and having fun with friends and then the next I was tired and depressed. I have never coped well with alcohol (though experimented with plenty of it copying peers) and often wonder if this is due to my body already being overloaded with yeast waste products.
The best thing that helped me was fun exercise, especially walking up hills and mountain biking since these are really enjoyable for me and therefore easy to do. Once my breathing and heart rate got going then I started to feel much better. The other things that helped were cutting out sugars (except some fresh fruit), carbs (saying no to all grains, potatoes...), processed foods (fried, salted...), and eating high proportion of raw vegetable & fruit
(I'm new to RAF so can't comment on this yet).
There is also the emotional side - recently I did a couple of psychodrama sessions which helped me see my responsibility for my own behavior, and even if I am tired or depressed I still need to be in the moment in any situation to express myself as things happen. I have heard good things about Rebirthing - where you breath very deeply to clear trapped emotions, but have not done it yet.
Also, most importantly, remember to love yourself - as you are the one person who will always be there for you! So you can acknowledge how you feel, be truthful about it, and accept that this is how you are right now. Over time by caring for yourself and doing what it is that is best for you (including doing nothing if that's what you want) things will improve.
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Also searching this site for 'depression' is very interesting with lots of success stories.
High meat seems to be mentioned a lot - now I've read more I'm really looking forward to trying it!
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Thanks for the responses from both of you, but nothing new, or nothing that I haven't already tried has been said. I mean I've really experienced an entire personality alteration that is horrifying, that I've scoured the internet and have only found one or two other peopple who have claimed to have a similar experience, though I did finally find someone out there describing the same thing as me. I've been trying high meat, and it's not bad for me, but for it curing me, it does very little. I think the only way is to be entirely on stimulants for the rest of my life, or get the circuts in my brains replaced and reconnected. For over three years I haven't felt like I'm me, or I'm in control of my thoughts and actions. You know that scene in the exorcist where the little girl writes "help me" on her own stomach from inside, that describes me well.
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Hi Charlie
I second high meat does nothing for depression.
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High-meat got rid of my depression. I will admit that I used huge amounts of "high-meat", though. Aajonus's recommendation of just 2 marble-sized pieces of "high-meat" a day did nothing for me, whereas 2 bite-sized chunks a day or even a whole plateful of "high-eat" a day, did wonders for me.
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I've been reading your post for years and this is the first that you have said you have had depression. You have talked of mood boost's before from high meat before not recovery from depression.
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I've been reading your post for years and this is the first that you have said you have had depression. You have talked of mood boost's before from high meat before not recovery from depression.
I think I have mentioned it before. It's just that I had acute anxiety as well, which had an even worse effect on me, so I mentioned the latter far more. Sounds unlikely, since they seem so opposite to each other, with depression involving listlessness, lack of motivation and feeling low etc. etc., and anxiety meaning one is in a constant state of artificial terror for no valid reason except hormonal imbalance, but it is possible to have both:-
http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200310/anxiety-and-depression-together (http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/200310/anxiety-and-depression-together)
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They are the same thing. If you had really had them you would know.
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They are the same thing. If you had really had them you would know.
You know, there is nothing more unpleasant than someone who pretends that someone else is just making it up, when there are no grounds for believing such. Granted, there are hypochondriacs everywhere who invent fake conditions on a regular basis, but I do not have those characteristics. If I did, I would still be inventing ever new health-problems right up till now, whereas I have already stated that I had recovered ages ago. As regards depression and anxiety, they are 2 distinct, wholly separate states, as recognised in psychological circles. Afaik, though I'm no MD, depression means a lowering of mood/listlessness/lack of motivation and anxiety means being in a constant state of anxiety/fear/terror etc. I had both such conditions, therefore.
That said, I have already encountered such wilful lack of acceptance of reality among my own family. Well over a decade ago, I used to also have to sleep in the afternoons for several hours due to chronic fatigue, couldn't exercise at the gym without collapsing and had appalling stomach-aches among many other conditions(some of which my relatives actually noticed at the time), but my own relatives since then have altered their perceptions by pretending that I never had any such health-problems in the first place. I can see why, in a way - some of those relatives are very old, so have a faulty memory so only want to remember the good bits, but the younger ones have no such excuse - it's obvious that they are so leery of my rawpalaeodiet that they cannot, on a psychological level, accept that my rawpalaeodiet has healed me, so they pretend to themselves that I never had any health-problems to begin with - after all, to their limited mind-set, a raw-meat diet kills, so when deaths don't happen, even after many years, they have to come up with some distortion of reality to explain away this inconvenient truth, to fit in with their paradigm.
I am aware, incidentally, that the mind does play a role in health, given the placebo effect, but only a very minor part. Health-problems really do exist, not just in the mind.
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Maybe I was wrong with my last post. Sorry.
I think the psychological aspect is strong (IMHO of course...)
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Some things that could really help are..
1) Exercise
2) Sleeping at a decent time (when it's dark sleep)
3) Getting sun
4) Following the Specific Carbohydrate Diet for carbs. This cuts out grains, dairy, potatoes, and other bad carbs
5) Eat lots of fats, from avacados and animals.
Those are all things I've done and they've helped. I suggest you forget about alcohol. For people with neurological problems they're no good.
I used to get depressed. I had a lot of the same problems you did.
But I started eating my version of raw paleo, and I got back into things I like.
I started playing basketball and working out again.
I make it to all my family social happenings.
The only thing I'm slacking on is the girls department. I used to have no shortage of girls. Now there's no girls. But this is mainly because I don't meet any since I'm not in school, and there's none at my job.
Ps. The scd/gaps diet battles neurologocial problems
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Good link Tyler - I also have both depression and anxiety. SSRIs (now I feel like doing something, even though there's still no point to life) and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (is that thought true? Is that thought useful?) have provided some help... but I am still sure it is diet + exercise that is really going to make the difference.
Charlie , if you live in California you might be able to legally try medical marijuana - the new varieties (such as cannatonic) which have 50/50 ratios of cannabidiol (CBD)/THC-acid have been shown to have strong anti-psychotic effects, especially when consumed raw. When fresh and raw even the THC-acid is not psychoactive and is an anti-psychotic, versus when cooked / smoked it becomes THC which can induce psychosis in some people.
Russo: "The endogenous cannabinoid system acts as a modulator in fine-tuning a lot of these systems, and if something is deranged biochemically in a person's body, it may well be that a cannabinoid system can bring things back into balance."
GW's Cannabis grow room / CBD as an anti psychotic (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th7XGlxPzPs#ws)
http://preventdisease.com/news/12/022912_The-Power-of-RAW-Cannabis-is-Turning-Heads.shtml (http://preventdisease.com/news/12/022912_The-Power-of-RAW-Cannabis-is-Turning-Heads.shtml)
http://40dayrawcannabisjuicechallenge.blogspot.co.nz/ (http://40dayrawcannabisjuicechallenge.blogspot.co.nz/)
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Hey man,
I have done a lot of work with shamanism lately. There is so much stuff that is in the unconscious mind and energy field that we are not usually aware of. So ready? best definition of healing ever?
-"Healing is the application of love to somewhere inside that is hurting"
So if something is wrong, you have to communicate with it. What is hurting, what is causing this? As natural beings created in the universe it is our soul's want to be happy, loving, and to enjoy nature, life, and other people. So you have to figure out what it is that is preventing this natural expression to take flight. It could be dietary or toxin related. I know heavy metal toxicity is very common and needs to be treated often to get better. As far as spiritual causes, there are numerous reasons. Traumas, power loss, soul loss are all big. You can become disassociated from certain parts of yourself. If someone has a severe car accident it is possible for part of them to split off out of fear. Nobody wants to be in their body in a car crash. Anyways, i know shamanism has the ability to treat things including depression and other similar issues. I'm not saying this is the answer for you or for everyone, but it's a field that is relatively lost in modern american culture. I would recommend seeking out a shaman in your area and seeing if they can't figure out what the problem is.
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I deal with zero ability to socialize and have fun with anybody, it's like my brain really has zero of anything that used to be me. I'm 23 now, and this happened at age 20, but before age 20, I played golf, did trips and activities with friends, went to a lot of parties, liked to drink socially, played soccer, played music, went to concerts, chased girls, etc. I don't do any of this stuff anymore, and when I try, it's like I never liked it in my life. I be with friends and have zero feeling of fun or enjoyment, zero interest in golf, and after a sip of beer, all these symptoms are magnified and I become really silent and tired and depressed, when before I used to drink and it would make me feel good, and often function better at parties. Now, I function worse after some alcohol, which doesnt make sense to me, and don't tell me to change my values on this one! Is there anyone who has had this and reversed it and got their old self back?
I've never experienced depression.
My 2 cents is I always have known or have long term goals in my life and medium and short term goals to achieve those. When I achieve a dream, a new one takes its place.
I know the meaning of life for myself and I live by my code.
And I do things that make me happy. Not what society tells me to think.
Just like you, I've changed in my preferences of what I want to do.
The things I like to do lately are:
- go on road trips
- go fishing
- girls... yes of course
- go out with kids
- hang out here in rawpaleodietforum.com
What happens to you when you drink alcohol is normal for many people. Alcohol is crap. Never made me happy.
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You know, there is nothing more unpleasant than someone who pretends that someone else is just making it up, when there are no grounds for believing such. Granted, there are hypochondriacs everywhere who invent fake conditions on a regular basis, but I do not have those characteristics. If I did, I would still be inventing ever new health-problems right up till now, whereas I have already stated that I had recovered ages ago. As regards depression and anxiety, they are 2 distinct, wholly separate states, as recognised in psychological circles. Afaik, though I'm no MD, depression means a lowering of mood/listlessness/lack of motivation and anxiety means being in a constant state of anxiety/fear/terror etc. I had both such conditions, therefore.
That said, I have already encountered such wilful lack of acceptance of reality among my own family. Well over a decade ago, I used to also have to sleep in the afternoons for several hours due to chronic fatigue, couldn't exercise at the gym without collapsing and had appalling stomach-aches among many other conditions(some of which my relatives actually noticed at the time), but my own relatives since then have altered their perceptions by pretending that I never had any such health-problems in the first place. I can see why, in a way - some of those relatives are very old, so have a faulty memory so only want to remember the good bits, but the younger ones have no such excuse - it's obvious that they are so leery of my rawpalaeodiet that they cannot, on a psychological level, accept that my rawpalaeodiet has healed me, so they pretend to themselves that I never had any health-problems to begin with - after all, to their limited mind-set, a raw-meat diet kills, so when deaths don't happen, even after many years, they have to come up with some distortion of reality to explain away this inconvenient truth, to fit in with their paradigm.
I am aware, incidentally, that the mind does play a role in health, given the placebo effect, but only a very minor part. Health-problems really do exist, not just in the mind.
What is your diet?
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it generally varies. For most of the past 10 years I've been eating a diet that is mostly raw wild game, with plenty of raw organ-meats(either from grassfed, organic cattle or wild game), plus lots of raw wildcaught seafood(mostly raw shellfish), raw fruit to a lesser extent, and a very little raw vegetables. I have not been that bothered as regards buying organic fruit, though I refuse to buy any fruit from supermarkets. In recent times, due to supply-difficulties, I have been eating raw organ-meats only rarely, and almost always eating raw wild game muscle-meats instead of grassfed meats, along with raw fruit/veg as usual.
Oh, I used to eat "high-meat" in large quantities, but, in the last couple of years, due to problems re other people sharing flats etc., I have not been eating it very often, besides I don't need it any more having healed myself, and when I do eat it, I generally put it out in plastic containers in the garden rather than the fridge so as to speed up the aging process of the meat.
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Thanks for the responses from both of you, but nothing new, or nothing that I haven't already tried has been said. I mean I've really experienced an entire personality alteration that is horrifying, that I've scoured the internet and have only found one or two other peopple who have claimed to have a similar experience, though I did finally find someone out there describing the same thing as me. I've been trying high meat, and it's not bad for me, but for it curing me, it does very little. I think the only way is to be entirely on stimulants for the rest of my life, or get the circuts in my brains replaced and reconnected. For over three years I haven't felt like I'm me, or I'm in control of my thoughts and actions. You know that scene in the exorcist where the little girl writes "help me" on her own stomach from inside, that describes me well.
ive felt a lot like this before, and have actually tried to beat this out of me and beat me back into myself, ive tried to run from this by moving here and there, ive tried to smoke and drink this away....none of those things work. what helps is being honest with yourself about what you do like, and what you are capable of doing and maintaining your best level of happiness, of course it helps to get your daily life into a pattern where you are having a diet that is healing, pooping regularly(IMPORTANT!) getting a lot of sunshine, fresh air, doing enough exercise(not over exertion but getting the blood flowing and lots of deep breathing). but even a perfect diet and exercise routine alone do not make for a full and happy life. making small goals for yourself that dont involve anything in particular except that they are fun for you do to...like for me its to go camping at hot springs, or going hiking somewhere different.etc. another think you should consider is the use of entheogens...mushrooms in particular, in very small doses and only with respect and for medicinal purposes they can really restructure your thought patterns, and in a good way. this is by far the best treatment i have ever had for the exact feelings you are describing...in fact i am hoping to get some soon because i have sunk my lil soul down in that pit, and while i am actually climbing out slowly, its like there is a familiar block in my head and heart that i know they help open.......anyway charlie hope you are feeling better and finding solutions
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Hi Charlie,
one more idea - have you tried a diet high in fresh raw vegetation, say 70~90% with the remainder being raw animal food? The vegetation would include leaves, florets, fruit, sprouts, stems, flowers, berries etc.
I would avoid nuts, un-sprouted seeds, and dried foods, especially dried fruit as its digestion is very different from fresh fruit.
Given the a net alkaline forming diet is believed by many to provide the optimal conditions for metabolic function it makes sense that this could provide an enormous difference to your mental state.
I am very interested to hear how you get on with this.
Mike
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I'm finding that they aren't really any depression success stories. There's really no cures on this site, nor others on the internet, just stories of improvements and coping, but no cures. It's really a nasty, living, working disease that wants to thrive.
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Doesn't Tyler's experience count?
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I would try the amino acid,tyrosine.It helps depresssion.
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I fought with depression for a long time. I've developed a holistic approach to treating depression. My treatment includes the Raw paleo diet,high meat, sun bathing, exercise, sex, good deeds , seeking religion and meaning, raising a family. I was using small amounts of Marijuana, but have since weened myself off of it.
ALAN WATTS: RETURN TO THE FOREST 1/3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEd1w0M9nV0#)
here is a perspective on shamanism
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I fought with depression for a long time. I've developed a holistic approach to treating depression. My treatment includes the Raw paleo diet,high meat, sun bathing, exercise, sex, good deeds , seeking religion and meaning, raising a family.
Hi Sabertooth,
it is always wonderful to hear stories of people who have worked out ways to manage and live harmoniously with an unique situation: good for you.
Kind wishes, J
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I'm finding that they aren't really any depression success stories. There's really no cures on this site, nor others on the internet, just stories of improvements and coping, but no cures. It's really a nasty, living, working disease that wants to thrive.
charlie what is your idea of success? i dont think i will ever be close to the majority of societies idea of success because fitting into that mold is what makes me nuts in the first place:) but i am a much happier and more sane person when i am eating healthy and surrounded by things that make me happy
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Seems like cold showers are helpful, there are some success stories here: http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/showers.html (http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/showers.html)
Probably the cold shock causes some adrenalin rush or something similar, and you get a bit high.
Anyway, it would be best to figure out the cause and fix that.
If you have health problems and you're sure that that's what makes you depressed, then eat raw paleo, go to the doctor, take pills or whatever, until you get healthy. Otherwise I don't believe any pills targeting depression via some action in the brain, or high meat, or cold showers, or the healthiest possible diet (if you're already healthy), will fix you long term.
It probably worked for TylerDurden because he had a lot of health problems as he has written, and then long term raw paleo has fixed these problems.
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Depression is a complex thing. It can stem from so many different levels of the being - including where you fit or don't into your family/society/tribe and what you think about that. The best place to start dealing with it can be bio-chemical, emotional, neurological, self-talk, energetic or spiritual techniques.
You can only do what you can and often the best place to start is with the physical. By coming here and starting to eat a better diet for the central nervous system in general and cutting out things that are bad for the cns - you've made a the best and biggest first step. Whether or not raw paleo is your "cure" is not the most useful question to be asking. Instead, I would suggest asking if raw paleo is a smart and likely helpful diet for you with the issues you are facing and good foundation to explore other healing modalities from? It might help you a little, it might help you a lot - but you have to eat and what you eat is going to affect you - so best to eat what is the most likely to help you to gain a good physical foundation.
I was thinking about you earlier today when doing my yoga and my acupressure routine. There is this point below the nose and above the lip in that crevice there called conception vessel 26. It's very balancing for the mind. I thought I'd mention it here for you just in case it can become another tool in your tool bag.
Humans are complex, the important thing is not to give up. If I'm right you haven't been raw paleo long - maybe you would best be served giving it a chance before evaluating it. It's really the best diet to feed the brain Charlie that I've been able to discover. It gives you all the nutrients you need in the best form you can get for your nervous system. If that's not enough to help you that's ok - at least it's a good dietary foundation - which is the best place to start imho.
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Let me clarify. Depression is nothing like being depressed. I'm talking about not being able to experience joy. And I dont want to hear any strategies of mind alterations besides something concrete like taking some sort of high meat, food. I can't stand the life alteration strategies to curing depression, they are a waste of time!
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I think most of us understand that you are talking about clinical depression. So you are just interested in concrete physical suggestions or in just dietary suggestions? Do you believe that either of these can help you?
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Let me clarify. Depression is nothing like being depressed. I'm talking about not being able to experience joy. And I dont want to hear any strategies of mind alterations besides something concrete like taking some sort of high meat, food. I can't stand the life alteration strategies to curing depression, they are a waste of time!
You may have already mentioned this, but have you tried St John's Wort?
Also, it really is very important to get enough sunlight, vitamin D, and fat in your diet, if you're depressed. I recommend fatty wild-caught ocean fish.
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Did anything happen three years ago to destroy your intestinal flora? Appendectomy or heavy course of antibiotics?
Anyway I noticed on myself that having healthy flora is crucial. The source of friendly bacteria is fermented vegetables (pickles), milk (yoghurt, kefir, sourcream, cheese). High meat is basically fermented meat rich in bacteria that fixes your guts, this is funny how much influence guts have on brain :)
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Did anything happen three years ago to destroy your intestinal flora? Appendectomy or heavy course of antibiotics?
Anyway I noticed on myself that having healthy flora is crucial. The source of friendly bacteria is fermented vegetables (pickles), milk (yoghurt, kefir, sourcream, cheese). High meat is basically fermented meat rich in bacteria that fixes your guts, this is funny how much influence guts have on brain :)
What about store bought butter?
Eating butter seems to give me a little fat to my body (A good thing!) but i tend to get weird little bumps, acne on my face or body. Raw butter is just too expensive and burdensome to get, and people really start to hate you for being such an extreme eater.
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What about store bought butter?
Eating butter seems to give me a little fat to my body (A good thing!) but i tend to get weird little bumps, acne on my face or body. Raw butter is just too expensive and burdensome to get, and people really start to hate you for being such an extreme eater.
I've seen cultured butter in supermarket, which probably also made from pasteurised milk though. Not sure how much worse pasteurised fermented products are. I guess if lactobacteria prospers in such environment it shouldn't be that bad :)
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Hi Charlie, I don't visit this site too often anymore but saw your post and I can offer you a success story. I suffered from severe depression from the ages 14 until about 22, which included symptoms identical to those you've articulated and culminated in a suicide attempt. My diet certainly changed afterwards, but I can't attribute my recovery entirely to diet. The things that most helped me include:
1. Eating less processed food, then eventually more raw food, and finally focusing on getting raw fats with a proper balance of Omega 3 and Omega 6 (i.e. about 1:1)
2. Reducing my exposure to environmental toxins, including cigarette smoke
3. Getting sun over my entire body (you need to be eating lots of good fat for this to help, otherwise your body can't turn the sun into vitamin D)
4. Spending quiet time in nature (Jon Young calls this a 'Sit Spot')
5. Learning and using the communication process called Non-Violent Communication (I started this practice about the time I started eating more raw foods, which was in 2003).
6. Talking to people about particular things that bothered me in my life (NVC was a pre-requisite for this in my case; at first I couldn't bear the thought of talking to people, so I started by talking to trees and rocks while at my sit spot and eventually reached a point where I could talk to people)
7. Became more active (yoga, martial arts, hiking; although I don't do yoga anymore, just martial arts, lots of low-intensity workouts including long walks and brief high-intensity workouts about once every 7 days)
If you want more details, let me know. Feel free to send a PM if you'd prefer that option.
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I had the same thing in my early 20's.
If your really down or something has really upset you to the point of despair try sleep deprivation. Stay awake all night...you will feel better.... then go to bed early (6pm) and then wake at 12pm. Sleep for only 4 hours. Keep this up when you need it.
And to be honest, chasing women, and playing golf isn't fun and mabe your friends actually suck...thought about that? It's time to move on.
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And to be honest, chasing women, ... isn't fun
Chasing women is very paleo :)
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Chasing women is fun. I think I mean't out in clubs.
Talking of clubs, the paleo way was easier.
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Hi eric,
What is the non violence communication process?
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You can learn more about Non-Violent Communication here: http://www.cnvc.org/. (http://www.cnvc.org/.) My favorite resource is the CD set entitled "Speaking Peace".
Another great psychological resource that helped with healing a lot of historical and ancestral trauma for me was re-evaluation counseling, also called co-counseling. You can learn more about this here: http://www.rc.org/. (http://www.rc.org/.)
Not sure where you live but you can probably find groups of one or both of these that practice locally. They'd be valuable to plug into.
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And while you're welcome to experiment with wodgina's sleep deprivation method, that sounds like a bad idea to me. I'd instead suggest getting a good night's sleep, not eating anything after 4 pm or so, and getting up with the sun each morning.
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get some fish oils, probiotics and seaweeds
do you think your diet is making you depressed, or your lifestyle? if its your lifestyle then you have to change that before anythng is going to happen
there is a great book called radical honesty i always suggest to those with depression, its a quick read and actually pretty entertaining but it will also kick your ass mentally
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I had the same thing in my early 20's.
If your really down or something has really upset you to the point of despair try sleep deprivation. Stay awake all night...you will feel better.... then go to bed early (6pm) and then wake at 12pm. Sleep for only 4 hours. Keep this up when you need it.
And to be honest, chasing women, and playing golf isn't fun and mabe your friends actually suck...thought about that? It's time to move on.
^This is idiotic advice.
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lol,thats insane.I would think not getting sleep would make matters worse. :o
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Well, actually, when I had severe chronic fatigue, I found that I never got any benefit from sleep. Indeed, if I tried sleeping more than 10 hours a night that I started feeling even worse as a result.
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^This is idiotic advice.
Thanks I do my best.
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lol,that's insane.I would think not getting sleep would make matters worse. :o
It's the most potent antidepressant out there and it's free.
For the people who are really depressed check out 'sleep wake therapy' or 'partial sleep deprivation therapy'
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And to be honest, chasing women, and playing golf isn't fun and mabe your friends actually suck...thought about that? It's time to move on.
totally agreed with wodgina
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Chasing women is fun. I think I mean't out in clubs.
Talking of clubs, the paleo way was easier.
Only if you could outrun all the competition, also armed with clubs. Speaking of which I usually feel very calm and blissful (literally) after workouts, right after them and whole following day. Sometimes have to drag myself to do it, but always surprised how well it works.
There was a guy who wanted to commit suicide and got advice to do it by running himself to death. He followed advice but didn't die becoming a happy athlete instead.
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Shift the mind from being a consumer(buying things you don't need) to being a discoverer. Unhappy people surround themselves with useless crap they don't need to fulfill the empty hole of happiness and joy. What you can do is sell or better yet, throw out junk you absolutely don't NEED. Selling your junk to someone else will make them unhappy. Anyways, It takes a while for the mind to shift because its addicted to junk and has been programmed by society to be a "consumer" but if you can persevere past the point of no return, the mind will just click.
Vitamin D is also very important since it regulates all hormones. Low estrogen is link to being unsocial.
Vitamin B12 is also very important because it regulates melatonin secretion. Melatonin secretion makes you tired when it gets dark and wakes you up in the morning when the Sun comes up. Adequate sleep is important.
Regarding diet, don't mix meat/nuts/oils, more precisely, high fat foods with carbs(which are naturally low in fat). No mammal does it out in nature.
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Shift the mind from being a consumer(buying things you don't need) to being a discoverer.
Even better: shift it to being a producer.
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It's the most potent antidepressant out there and it's free.
For the people who are really depressed check out 'sleep wake therapy' or 'partial sleep deprivation therapy'
I'd say it's worth a shot. It's not like you'll be any worse off if it doesn't work.
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So many great advices! The only problem is where to start. Hopefully Charlie is not going to use them all at once. I can imagine severely sleep deprived guy running along the streets eating a piece of rotten meat on the go..
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I forgot something, add this to my previous comment:
Parasympathetic stimulation -> Internal Stimulation -> Physical Stimulation
Sympathetic stimulation -> External stimulation -> Mental Stimulation
You want to activate both of these systems at the same time, as only natural, not seperate.
An example, watching porn and masturbating only activates the sympathetic nervous system while having sex properly(running out of breath) activates the parasympathetic nervous system and sympathetic nervous system at the same time.
Watching TV and listening to music is a major sympathetic nervous system stimulator without stimulating the parasympathetic nervous system at all.
For Vitamin D capsules for those that have trouble making Vitamin D. Take Vitashine.
Even better: shift it to being a producer.
Hahahaha!! So he can make more people unhappy and depressed??
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I'd say it's worth a shot. It's not like you'll be any worse off if it doesn't work.
Sleep deprivation can really hurt some and really help others. It's a crap shoot on that one.
If you give away your junk - it might not be "junk" to someone else and might fill a real need or love. I use Freecycle constantly. People post what they no longer need so that someone else who does need it can come pick it up and give it a good home until they no longer need it and give it away - keeping items out of the landfills. Instead of going out and buying something that I want (for instance a trampoline) I can get one from someone else who's child not longer uses it. I don't keep anything I don't use or love - and when I no longer love something or can use it I give it to someone who will use or love it.
Most of the things I use everyday these days were once "junk" to someone else. I'm drinking out of some lovely Capri mugs right now that someone else was about to throw away!
Like beauty, usefulness and "junk" is in the eye of the beholder.
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Sleep deprivation can really hurt some and really help others. It's a crap shoot on that one.
Yep, sleep deprivation can be a very bad thing for some mentally ill people. Charlie seems pretty stable to me, though, just very depressed. Generally it's the ones prone to over-excitement and hallucinations that need their 8 hours a night. It keeps them calm and grounded.
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Yep, sleep deprivation can be a very bad thing for some mentally ill people. Charlie seems pretty stable to me, though, just very depressed. Generally it's the ones prone to over-excitement and hallucinations that need their 8 hours a night. It keeps them calm and grounded.
I second that. I can't function without 8+ hours of sleep.
Well I do function, just not optimally.
Sleep is an important factor for my healing.
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i turn into the worst person without sleep.........super aggressive temper tantrums and delirium :(
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So many great advices! The only problem is where to start. Hopefully Charlie is not going to use them all at once. I can imagine severely sleep deprived guy running along the streets eating a piece of rotten meat on the go..
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I would consider myself a success story in the making. I have healed alot, but not completely. I believe in complete healing, of course, but it takes time, we have to understand that and try to keep things in context. Most of us have been on a course of degeneration our whole lives, from being 5 years old, eating Kraft Macaroni and Cheese, and getting our asses whipped with a wooden paddle. Its no wonder I still have Daddy issues...
Anyway, its been a long, confusing, blurry road. I'm remembering a time a few years ago, when me and my twin brother would drink a jug of Carlo Rossi daily. Or a bottle of Bombay Sapphire. And loads of 40s. My brother would complain of weird Head and EarPains brought on from the drinking, and I cared for him, but neither of us could stop. I remember this one time when I was playing music, and my brother told me to turn it off because hes not in the mood. I kept it playing because I didnt care. He left the house, and I went out to look for him, for fear that he might kill himself. We were both drunk... I was running around looking for him feeling hopeless and lost. Our relationship together was quite destroyed. We were total Nervous Wrecks. It was hell.
Since then there has been alot of changes, and lots of pain. There was progress, albeit slow, most often unnoticeable, to the point where the situation still appears hopeless. One day you're 100% in Hell, the next day 99.9999% in Hell.
To condense down years of progress into few words, we were raw vegan at one point, which helped, and then we started to deteriorate, so we eventually ate our first MeatMeal in a while... raw salmon. As far as alcohol goes, we "upgraded" to quality CraftBeers, homemade beers, etc. It was progress, but still we were overdoing it and destroying ourselves. It was the only way we felt "normal" and "happy", but at some point we had to stop.
Lately I've been having my share of crappy feelings, so once again, with all the negativity, it can be hard to notice how much things have improved. It is starting to become more clear, as the smoke clears more and more. My mood seems to be stabilizing significantly, even over the course of the past few days, being that I'm always making changes to try to help myself. We just cut out fruits (we had an unhealthy relationship with them), we just started Hydrogen Peroxide therapy and Urine therapy, we're taking OxBile to help digest our meals, etc.
As far as diet goes, I've been doing my own version of the GAPS diet, which I highly recommend. BoneBroths, yummy supernutritious CookedAnimalParts such as tongue, organs, Oxtail. Raw egg yolks, Juices, etc. And we've been working in some RawMeats as well.
We had raw Smelt and raw Lamb Kidney earlier. And we just had a meal of LambHeart and LambTongue, roasted in the oven. With OxBile of course. Yummy'n'Nourishing. When we were in the kitchen preparing our meal, our Mom said "you know you guys are looking better now... you're getting Meatier... remember when I said that you guys looked anorexic?"
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Sounds like a very close bond between you and your brother :)
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One time she mentioned they were twins.