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Title: Overpopulation is a
Post by: raw-al on August 15, 2012, 07:41:39 am
http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/mythology/overpopulation-is-a-myth.html (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/mythology/overpopulation-is-a-myth.html)
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: ys on August 15, 2012, 10:02:18 am
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Total population of Earth 6,553,289,000

Average population density of Earth: 44.0 persons per square kilometer (5.62 acres per person)

that's way too many people to sustain carnivorous diet.  i'd estimate 1b would be just right.

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The Overpopulation Myth is a Distraction from
Our Real Problems: Poverty and War

i say it is exactly the opposite, poverty and wars are the results of overpopulation.  there are over 2000 ethnic groups and only about 200 countries.  conflicts are inevitable when there is not enough space for every ethnic group.  think of it as two packs of wolves trying to share the same area.  one will destroy the other.  there is no other way.  humans are exactly like that.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: CitrusHigh on August 15, 2012, 10:33:23 am
You never fail to out-cynicize my expectations for you ys! ROFL!

First off, we've had wars for thousands of years, long before the population was at your arbitrary 1 billion mark.

Also if you read the page, and if it is accurate, it is saying that the 6.55 billion population, if all living in North America, would get about an acre per person. Leaving the rest of the world unihabited. IF that is true, then with the whole world inhabited, we've got plenty of space if everyone would spread out a bit. Overpopulation is NOT a myth under our current system of living densely packed together, but certainly tenable with permaculture principles and unity consciousness. We'll get there....in spite of the best efforts of cynics like yourself! jeesssus christ.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 15, 2012, 12:44:24 pm
Overpopulation is not a myth. We are already experiencing increases in food-prices all over as a result. We are also destroying entire species in the tens of thousands as a result of overpopulation and technology. The claim re acres per individual is also meaningless since much of the Earth's land surface is not accessible to humans(nature reserves, Antarctica is only allowed to be visited by a tiny few each year, then there are deserts which can hardly handle lots of people living on them etc.)
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: eveheart on August 15, 2012, 01:48:52 pm
Even thought the videos sounded so wise and believable, I think they were just another bunch of sound-byte hidden agendas.

Populous areas create a "civilized" living pattern within cities, with food coming from the outlying areas. That was shown in the videos as population being beneficial. True, the urban/rural template is delightful... until overgrowth of population causes the city to implode. That was NOT shown, and the inference was that it does not happen.

Overpopulation is a ... reality.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 15, 2012, 02:58:21 pm
People like me and Sabertooth are willing to carry on the burden of inheriting the earth with our descendants.

Who is volunteering themselves to be eliminated for our benefit?

Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Iguana on August 15, 2012, 03:04:51 pm
Overpopulation is a ... reality.
Of course it is. This trend started with the mastery of fire and increased exponentially ever since the Neolithic era. Currently, it's only because of the cheap energy provided by oil that the agriculture can feed 6,5 billions humans and their pets.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 15, 2012, 04:27:07 pm
People like me and Sabertooth are willing to carry on the burden of inheriting the earth with our descendants.

Who is volunteering themselves to be eliminated for our benefit?


We don't need volunteers. What we need is WWIII whereby all nuke-bearing nations wipe out all major concentrations/areas of humanity, especially those with birth-rates above 2.1.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 15, 2012, 04:46:17 pm
We don't need volunteers. What we need is WWIII whereby all nuke-bearing nations wipe out all major concentrations/areas of humanity, especially those with birth-rates above 2.1.

You are targeting my nation at TFR 3.0 circa 2012, Tyler.  But my city's fertility rate is 1.5. Somehow my people do not like your solution.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 15, 2012, 05:41:04 pm
You are targeting my nation at TFR 3.0 circa 2012, Tyler.  But my city's fertility rate is 1.5. Somehow my people do not like your solution.

Well, not all Filippinos  are  happy with the overpopulation problem, and are seeking ways to solve it.

http://getrealphilippines.com/blog/2011/05/overpopulated-philippines-reduced-to-panhandling-for-foreign-investment/ (http://getrealphilippines.com/blog/2011/05/overpopulated-philippines-reduced-to-panhandling-for-foreign-investment/)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/15/philippines-overpopulation-crisis (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/15/philippines-overpopulation-crisis)

We need to cull the herd! There are so many humans out there that NEED to be put down so that other species can survive, and so that other humans can live in a less  overcrowded environment(not possible in the UK right now, other than in the Shetland Isles/Channel Islands and the like). Why can't we issue  an IQ test that forbids anyone  below 105 IQ from breeding? That would wipe out at least 50-60% of the world's population!

Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Suiren on August 15, 2012, 06:21:16 pm
Yeah and while we are proposing barbaric solutions that hurt innocent people, how about this one:

(http://s3.hubimg.com/u/2967942_f520.jpg)

Or we could get rid of all single, child less people, since they don't have a purpose in life.

I have more good solutions...

Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Iguana on August 15, 2012, 06:33:20 pm
 
Why can't we issue  an IQ test that forbids anyone above 105 IQ from breeding? That would wipe out at least 50-60% of the world's population!
Ah, IQ tests!  ;D You probably mean under 105, don't you?

Don't worry, nature itself will somehow take  care of this problem. It's not our duty to solve it, even more so messing up with barbaric solutions as you suggest! I hope you're kind of teasing.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 15, 2012, 06:37:02 pm
Ah, but these single childless people are greatly helping to contribute to the environment by not producing dozens of useless, environment-destroying humans, so they are the good guys and do indeed, therefore, have a purpose in life. What's needed is to destroy/put down those who produce more  than 2 children per couple, especially since they are usually(though not always) those who have far less value as a human being than others. I have seen this myself in real life:- those couples who have remained childless or had only one child have almost always turned out to have more value as human beings than those having tons of children.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Suiren on August 15, 2012, 06:51:52 pm
Ah, but these single childless people are greatly helping to contribute to the environment by not producing dozens of useless, environment-destroying humans, so they are the good guys and do indeed, therefore, have a purpose in life.

You are only trying to save yourself, because you are not only child-less but also live in a part of the world that is easily taken care of with a flood  l)

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What's needed is to destroy/put down those who produce more  than 2 children per couple, especially since they are usually(though not always) those who have far less value as a human being than others. I have seen this myself in real life:- those couples who have remained childless or had only one child have almost always turned out to have more value as human beings than those having tons of children.
Alright, slay me in case I will get pregnant with a third.

But beware:
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Why can't we issue  an IQ test that forbids anyone above 105 IQ from breeding? That would wipe out at least 50-60% of the world's population!
In case you meant under 105, I will have to fulfill my duty and bless this world with much more, extremely intelligent spawn.
I am raising Raw Paleo babies, so make way...
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: CitrusHigh on August 15, 2012, 09:05:19 pm
Think of all the past civilizations that are now kaput. Like iguana said, we will be put in our place if we don't smarten up, so no worries, let's try to be nice to eachother huh!
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: ys on August 15, 2012, 10:41:37 pm
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We'll get there....in spite of the best efforts of cynics like yourself! jeesssus christ.

no need to bring in jesus when you do not agree with someone else's opinion.
overpopulation is a real thing to me.  because of so many people land is so much expensive so i cannot afford to buy a farm at this time.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: CitrusHigh on August 16, 2012, 12:07:04 am
Jesus of nazareth! not sure why that is of importance.
Land is expensive and has nothing to do with overpopulation, and everything to do with the federal reserve and the corrupt government of this country. Also you might not be able to afford land just precisely where you want it, but I guarantee there's rich, farmable land out there in your price range.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 16, 2012, 12:53:11 am
You are only trying to save yourself, because you are not only child-less but also live in a part of the world that is easily taken care of with a flood  l) 
  Christ, you've got religion re the mention of a flood. God doesn't exist.
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Alright, slay me in case I will get pregnant with a third.
  All actions have consequences. You will pay for overpopulating the world through increased population density, with extra costs in the form of accomodation, your grandchildren eventually being forced to live 12+ to a room etc.
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But beware:In case you meant under 105, I will have to fulfill my duty and bless this world with much more, extremely intelligent spawn.
I am raising Raw Paleo babies, so make way...

Rawpalaeo does not guarantee increased intelligence. For all I know, your grandchildren might be crippled 80 IQ morons. Not a long shot, given that dysgenics studies have shown that the rate of genetic diseases have slowly risen every generation since medical technology has advanced, and that the average intelligence of all populations has slowly sunk every generation due to welfare etc. benefitting the morons while the intelligent have stopped breeding. I could mention a study which showed that the more intelligent a woman is, the less likely she is going to have children. As I recall, it was for every 10 IQ points above the average, a woman's chance of having children halved. Think of the film "Idiocracy" for a more accurate portrayal of the future.

All harsh words, but, sadly true. We really need to nuke the 3rd world into oblivion, and treat our own citizens with harsh tests to see if they qualify for pregnancy or not. No more crack-whores getting low IQ, retarded children en masse etc.!
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 16, 2012, 01:07:14 am
Ah, IQ tests!  ;D You probably mean under 105, don't you?

Don't worry, nature itself will somehow take  care of this problem. It's not our duty to solve it, even more so messing up with barbaric solutions as you suggest! I hope you're kind of teasing.

Dear God, I'm caught doing the same sort of silly mistakes I accuse  other members of doing all the time re bad spelling etc. Mea Culpa. And, no, I'm not joking. Anyone who has read Gibbon's "Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" and Spengler's works,  would see what I mean.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Suiren on August 16, 2012, 02:19:37 am
  Christ, you've got religion re the mention of a flood. God doesn't exist.  All actions have consequences.

Christ, I wasn't serious. And I am not religious either. It was a joke.

You will pay for overpopulating the world....bla bla bla.....bla bla... intelligent have stopped breeding. I could mention a study which showed that the more intelligent a woman is, the less likely she is going to have children. As I recall, it was for every 10 IQ points above the average, a woman's chance of having children halved. Think of the film "Idiocracy" for a more accurate portrayal of the future.

this study?

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Possible Reasons of Low Fertility Rates in Intelligent People

There are a few possible reasons why more intelligent people have fewer children or no children at all:

Less intelligent women tend to get married at an earlier age, which gives them more time to procreate.
Education of women; studies have shown that women with higher education degrees have fewer children. This is due to the fact that a woman who attends college will spend some of her reproductive years studying and building a career.
Contraception availability; intelligent people are aware of their contraception options, while less intelligent people may ignore their options and may have unplanned children.
The income of the couple will also affect fertility: the higher the income, the lower incidence of children. Intelligent people may be able to get higher paying jobs.

Read more: http://www.fertilityproregistry.com/article/fertility-and-intelligence.html#ixzz23dhISJem (http://www.fertilityproregistry.com/article/fertility-and-intelligence.html#ixzz23dhISJem)
Seems to be affected by the "choices" more intelligent people make. It does not mean women with a higher IQ would have a harder time getting pregnant if they try at a young age. Diet also plays a role in fertility. It would not make sense to be this way naturally, since nature would want the best to reproduce.

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All harsh words, but, sadly true. We really need to nuke the 3rd world into oblivion, and treat our own citizens with harsh tests to see if they qualify for pregnancy or not. No more crack-whores getting low IQ, retarded children en masse etc.!
Allright, you will have to take on the administration of the forum then, because Good Samaritan will be "nuked into oblivion".... l)  (that was a joke)
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: LePatron7 on August 16, 2012, 02:33:38 am
Actually I second that study showing more intelligent people are less likely to have more kids. It's deffinitely not the case 100% of the time. But I've noticed most of my friends (girls) with kids got pregnant really young. Likely from making the mistake of not using birth control or condoms.

While most of the girls I know without kids are in college, studying to become lawyers or doctors. So they won't have kids (most likely) till after they finish school. Which would easily put them in their 30's.

Not to menion they'll probably want to work on their careers too.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: raw-al on August 16, 2012, 02:46:49 am
Rawpalaeo does not guarantee increased intelligence. For all I know, your grandchildren might be crippled 80 IQ morons. Not a long shot, given that dysgenics studies have shown that the rate of genetic diseases have slowly risen every generation since medical technology has advanced, and that the average intelligence of all populations has slowly sunk every generation due to welfare etc. benefitting the morons while the intelligent have stopped breeding. I could mention a study which showed that the more intelligent a woman is, the less likely she is going to have children. As I recall, it was for every 10 IQ points above the average, a woman's chance of having children halved. Think of the film "Idiocracy" for a more accurate portrayal of the future.

We really need to nuke the 3rd world into oblivion, and treat our own citizens with harsh tests to see if they qualify for pregnancy or not. No more crack-whores getting low IQ, retarded children en masse etc.!
My experience is that generally (not always) the female end of a relationship tends to have a somewhat higher IQ. It seems to be a function of thinking a lot. Which of course can be a problem also. ;D

Interesting the studies you mentioned Tyler. Consider that the people doing the study would be doing a bit of self-congratulating, considering that no doubt the researchers had to spend their parents money getting a college degree and now they want to show the world that intelligent (college degreed) people are baby-free and that is how intelligent people act. Sort of a snobbery, as if they are above all this diaper nonsense, because they are members of the feted intelligentsia. This type of self-congratulatory babble is reminiscent of the Phrenologist mumbo-jumbo.

What I see is that IQ as is well known is a poor judge of intelligence as it is a culturally biased and long since discarded by anyone of "intelligence".

What these studies say to me is that when women spend too much time trying to appear intelligent their opportunities to procreate are frittered away. If that is what they want perfect, but the reality is you can see these women in hordes in a big rush to have babies when their age is such that having children with serious disabilities is a real possibility or requiring medical intervention to even conceive causes them to live in regret.

I am not suggesting that all women want babies but generally that is an undercurrent.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: raw-al on August 16, 2012, 03:14:27 am
The problem is not overpopulation but over concentration of population in certain areas. We're due for a Spanish flu breakout of some variety, or maybe a war, or maybe Armegeddon, who knows. I think it's inevitable.

Groups of peoples historically act like the people on Easter Island eventually.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Iguana on August 16, 2012, 04:22:58 am
Allright, you will have to take on the administration of the forum then, because Good Samaritan will be "nuked into oblivion".... l)  (that was a joke)

LOL, this is becoming funny  ;D

And don’t forget that the most populated 3rd world nations, namely China and India (Pakistan too) also have a good nuclear arsenal… so they may nuke London, LA, NYC, Paris, etc. into oblivion as well in retaliation - just in case those cities haven’t already been  flooded.  >D (that's a joke too)

What I see is that IQ as is well known is a poor judge of intelligence as it is a culturally biased and long since discarded by anyone of "intelligence".

True, my raw paleo cat is undeniably more intelligent than some humans but he would score rather badly at an IQ test, I guess.  ;) (another joke)
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: raw-al on August 16, 2012, 04:35:40 am
OMG I admitted that generally women are smarter.... Is it too late to say "just kidding" ???  :P :o ;D

If my memory serves me correctly the phrenologists said that orientals are more intelligent. So they may not be waiting to retaliate, maybe they'll be preemptive ... so Tyler no need to bone up on your computology.  ;D
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Ferocious on August 16, 2012, 05:58:03 am
  Christ, you've got religion re the mention of a flood. God doesn't exist.  All actions have consequences. You will pay for overpopulating the world through increased population density, with extra costs in the form of accomodation, your grandchildren eventually being forced to live 12+ to a room etc. Rawpalaeo does not guarantee increased intelligence. For all I know, your grandchildren might be crippled 80 IQ morons. Not a long shot, given that dysgenics studies have shown that the rate of genetic diseases have slowly risen every generation since medical technology has advanced, and that the average intelligence of all populations has slowly sunk every generation due to welfare etc. benefitting the morons while the intelligent have stopped breeding. I could mention a study which showed that the more intelligent a woman is, the less likely she is going to have children. As I recall, it was for every 10 IQ points above the average, a woman's chance of having children halved. Think of the film "Idiocracy" for a more accurate portrayal of the future.

All harsh words, but, sadly true. We really need to nuke the 3rd world into oblivion, and treat our own citizens with harsh tests to see if they qualify for pregnancy or not. No more crack-whores getting low IQ, retarded children en masse etc.!
^I can't believe this guy is serious. Does someone need a hug?  ;D
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Suiren on August 16, 2012, 06:01:16 am
raw-al
YES IT IS TOO LATE  >D

What I see is that IQ as is well known is a poor judge of intelligence as it is a culturally biased and long since discarded by anyone of "intelligence".

What these studies say to me is that when women spend too much time trying to appear intelligent their opportunities to procreate are frittered away. If that is what they want perfect, but the reality is you can see these women in hordes in a big rush to have babies when their age is such that having children with serious disabilities is a real possibility or requiring medical intervention to even conceive causes them to live in regret.

I am not suggesting that all women want babies but generally that is an undercurrent.

So true, I know countless career women that now want children and it is not as easy anymore. Pregnancy can be tough on your body, at least nowadays (ribs expand, hips and pelvis widen), and I imagine healing from it past a certain age to be much harder.
We want to be careful not to wait too long with the next because my clock is ticking too (and I have a lot of work experience, believe it or not, but am not interested in a career)

And I second what you said about the IQ. Not a good judge of intelligence at all.
And a lot of people that are labeled as "not intelligent" just have not gotten the opportunity to "learn" as much in my opinion. Does not apply to everyone but I am sure it is true for many.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 16, 2012, 07:30:39 am
It would not make sense to be this way naturally, since nature would want the best to reproduce.
You are missing the point. Natural selection hasn't been around since the Palaeolithic, with humans thereafter to some extent preventing the weak and stupid  from dying and allowing them to reproduce en masse, and modern technology has enabled a further vast increase in the chance of morons/cripples surviving and reproducing.  I suspect that is one reason why average human skull size has decreased by 10% since the start of the Neolithic era.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility_and_intelligence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility_and_intelligence)
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 16, 2012, 07:39:53 am
Naturally, people will think I am being over the top. it's just that I have noted that, among family and acquaintances, again and again, I have noted that the higher the intelligence of the woman, the fewer children she would have. This  is obviously by no means always the case, but there is some sort of trend. Hmm, some women claim that men don't usually  like intelligent women. Plus, I am getting sick and tired of the overpopulation in the UK, as there is hardly any decent greenery or wild areas left, just a concrete-ridden hell-hole.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 16, 2012, 11:07:01 am
(http://www.myhealthblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/sexy-filipinas-google-images.jpg)

Would you really wipe out via nuclear blasts all these hot and sexy Filipino women?
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: raw-al on August 16, 2012, 11:10:46 am
Plus, I am getting sick and tired of the overpopulation in the UK, as there is hardly any decent greenery or wild areas left, just a concrete-ridden hell-hole.
Move to Canada.  ;D I've flown for hours over places and not seen anyone. Mind you I'm not sure you would want to live in those places LOL.

Lots of ex-Brits live here for those reasons.

I just read a book by Bill Bryson about Australia, which was pretty entertaining and made me want to visit except for all the animals and insects etc that can kill ya..... Another spot...
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: eveheart on August 16, 2012, 11:19:53 am
...hot and sexy Filipino women...

Pathetic! Those poor Philippine women can't get decent jobs in their overpopulated island paradise, so have to resort to whoring for a camera and pretending to be "hot." The plainer and older ones are forced to work as maidservants for other people's families. No wonder we here in California have whole cities of nothing but Philippine immigrants, where the women can use their education and get treated with human dignity.

There! I said it!
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 16, 2012, 11:30:35 am
Pathetic! Those poor Philippine women can't get decent jobs in their overpopulated island paradise, so have to resort to whoring for a camera and pretending to be "hot." The plainer and older ones are forced to work as maidservants for other people's families. No wonder we here in California have whole cities of nothing but Philippine immigrants, where the women can use their education and get treated with human dignity.

There! I said it!

How about "sexy american women" on Google images?

http://www.google.com/search?q=sexy+american+women&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=DLX&channel=fs&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=92gsUJerHYzJrAeb-4FY&ved=0CDsQ_AUoAQ&biw=1855&bih=992 (http://www.google.com/search?q=sexy+american+women&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=DLX&channel=fs&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=92gsUJerHYzJrAeb-4FY&ved=0CDsQ_AUoAQ&biw=1855&bih=992)

How about "sexy british women"?

http://www.google.com/search?q=sexy+american+women&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=DLX&channel=fs&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=92gsUJerHYzJrAeb-4FY&ved=0CDsQ_AUoAQ&biw=1855&bih=992#hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=yfC&channel=fs&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=sexy+british+women&oq=sexy+british+women&gs_l=img.3...42164.44569.0.44903.11.9.2.0.0.1.192.1138.2j7.9.0...0.0...1c.AIOuOXaJXsw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=b64df3f3e964f910&biw=1855&bih=992 (http://www.google.com/search?q=sexy+american+women&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=DLX&channel=fs&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=92gsUJerHYzJrAeb-4FY&ved=0CDsQ_AUoAQ&biw=1855&bih=992#hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=yfC&channel=fs&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=sexy+british+women&oq=sexy+british+women&gs_l=img.3...42164.44569.0.44903.11.9.2.0.0.1.192.1138.2j7.9.0...0.0...1c.AIOuOXaJXsw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=b64df3f3e964f910&biw=1855&bih=992)
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 16, 2012, 11:58:55 am
We've all been taught to be compassionate and support the welfare state and allow people to have dozens of children etc., but sooner or later, people eventually come to realise that disaster is looming. We already have evidence in the form of a rise in food-prices.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 16, 2012, 12:31:08 pm
Okay, here are the "sexy iranian women" Hillary Clinton and NATO are just itching to bomb to kingdom come

http://www.google.com/search?q=sexy+iranian+women&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=Mws&channel=fs&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=-XYsUIKbIZDMrQeRrIGgDg&ved=0CD0Q_AUoAQ&biw=1855&bih=992 (http://www.google.com/search?q=sexy+iranian+women&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=Mws&channel=fs&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=-XYsUIKbIZDMrQeRrIGgDg&ved=0CD0Q_AUoAQ&biw=1855&bih=992)

Tyler, can you choose to bomb them sexy Iranian  women instead of sexy Filipino women?
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 16, 2012, 12:42:37 pm
Well, if it was up to me, I would bomb everyone except me and any  clever, redhaired people. No idea how I could  manage to be so selective.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 16, 2012, 12:49:45 pm
Well, if it was up to me, I would bomb everyone except me and any  clever, redhaired people. No idea how I could  manage to be so selective.

Killing men is pointless when each man can impregnate many women in the case of a man shortage.

So it is all those damn so sexy women's fault!!!

(Did you women ever notice how the depopulationists always seem to concentrate on sabotaging women's health rather than men's health?)
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: CitrusHigh on August 16, 2012, 12:56:25 pm
Well, you're more honest than most sociopaths anyway ty!

Damn, GS, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Suiren on August 16, 2012, 06:31:49 pm
You are missing the point. Natural selection hasn't been around since the Palaeolithic, with humans thereafter to some extent preventing the weak and stupid  from dying and allowing them to reproduce en masse, and modern technology has enabled a further vast increase in the chance of morons/cripples surviving and reproducing.  I suspect that is one reason why average human skull size has decreased by 10% since the start of the Neolithic era.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility_and_intelligence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility_and_intelligence)

Not completely, because "diseased" people are often also infertile. There is a load of auto immune diseases and other conditions that will make it extremely hard for you to get pregnant, and even once you are pregnant the rate of miscarriages, especially in the first trimester is very high as well.
Go on a pregnancy forum and you will see that the most posts are in the TTC (trying to conceive) and pregnancy loss forums.
Studies have also shown that the poor (welfare) citizens are more likely to have bad health. Probably also because they buy even cheaper and worse SAD foods, and they don't have the availability of "good health care". So they can't be like freaking rabbits. They just tend to make different choices: not prevent pregnancy, conceive at an early age, get stuck in welfare and keep living the welfare life (children =$$$ and housing).
Society is mainly to blame for all of this, not just biological reasons.

I agree with diseased people being able to live longer, just not that they are so easily able to reproduce more. Natural selection is not fully 'eliminated', just not what it used to be:
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Natural selection hasn't been around since the Palaeolithic, with humans thereafter to some extent preventing the weak and stupid  from dying and allowing them to reproduce en masse
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Post by: raw-al on August 16, 2012, 07:45:12 pm
How about "sexy american women" on Google images?

http://www.google.com/search?q=sexy+american+women&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=DLX&channel=fs&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=92gsUJerHYzJrAeb-4FY&ved=0CDsQ_AUoAQ&biw=1855&bih=992 (http://www.google.com/search?q=sexy+american+women&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=DLX&channel=fs&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=92gsUJerHYzJrAeb-4FY&ved=0CDsQ_AUoAQ&biw=1855&bih=992)

How about "sexy british women"?

http://www.google.com/search?q=sexy+american+women&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=DLX&channel=fs&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=92gsUJerHYzJrAeb-4FY&ved=0CDsQ_AUoAQ&biw=1855&bih=992#hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=yfC&channel=fs&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=sexy+british+women&oq=sexy+british+women&gs_l=img.3...42164.44569.0.44903.11.9.2.0.0.1.192.1138.2j7.9.0...0.0...1c.AIOuOXaJXsw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=b64df3f3e964f910&biw=1855&bih=992 (http://www.google.com/search?q=sexy+american+women&hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=DLX&channel=fs&prmd=imvnsu&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=92gsUJerHYzJrAeb-4FY&ved=0CDsQ_AUoAQ&biw=1855&bih=992#hl=en&client=ubuntu&hs=yfC&channel=fs&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=sexy+british+women&oq=sexy+british+women&gs_l=img.3...42164.44569.0.44903.11.9.2.0.0.1.192.1138.2j7.9.0...0.0...1c.AIOuOXaJXsw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=b64df3f3e964f910&biw=1855&bih=992)
OMGawd GS, The Queen made the cut! LOL What was the search criteria?
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 16, 2012, 09:36:44 pm
Google for "sexy british women" and click on images.

You can choose any nation you want in place of "british".

Pathetic! Those poor _________(insert country here) women can't get decent jobs in their overpopulated __________ (insert country claim to fame here), so have to resort to whoring for a camera and pretending to be "hot."
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 16, 2012, 11:13:22 pm
Well, you're more honest than most sociopaths anyway ty!

Damn, GS, thanks for sharing!
I'm not being a sociopath, just being cruel in order to be kind. Sort of like humans who want to have their pets put down when they are too unfit to survive. Excessive kindness usually leads to cruelty. A classic example  is when doctors keep someone alive as long as possible in great pain just because it is "wrong" to take human life/end human suffering. There are many other  Libtard examples.

Basically, Nature is cruel so the more natural we want to be, the crueler we have to be. For example, the ideal for an RPDer, re the best of health, would be to own a farm with plants and animals, but, in order to eat, one would have to personally kill those animals.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 16, 2012, 11:17:34 pm

I agree with diseased people being able to live longer, just not that they are so easily able to reproduce more. Natural selection is not fully 'eliminated', just not what it used to be:
I disagree. True, wealthier people are more fertile, but since poorer people have access to housing benefit/welfare cheques etc., they can easily overcome their infertility and still  easily outbreed the richer ones. To have a solid  edge in fertility chances, though, one would have to do something like the RPD diet, and very very few people will ever try this type of diet.

Basically, unless civilisation collapses, the stupid will slowly outbreed the rich until we all end up retarded, insane morons crippled by multiple genetic diseases. The unhealthy will still be propped up by modern technology such as IVF/test-tube babies/sperm-donors/egg-surrogates etc.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 16, 2012, 11:29:06 pm
Incidentally, GS, there's no point in appealing for mercy by showing photos of sexy women around the world. For one thing, with the vast overpopulation that is looming, such women will look like old hags in their 20s, due to being forced onto heavily processed, vegan diets since meat will be only available for the very wealthy by then - and besides a lot of ugly women would perish along with them, too(are you suggesting, perhaps, that we should only kill the ugly people?!). Secondly, after becoming "born again" recently due to reading Max Stirner's Bible "The Ego and Its Own", I have come to realise that I should always think in terms of "WIIFM"(what's in it for me?), so I only care about how overpopulation affects me right now(in a decidedly negative way).

Hmm, well, actually I've always been a bit like that before. I remember the time of the Live Aid concerts and all that "do they know it's christmas/feed the world" sanctimonious, skin-crawling  b*llsh*t when I knew that the problem the Ethiopians had was too little food and too many people so all they really needed was a regular supply of birth-control pills. At the time, I found this wonderful parody T-shirt in the UK  which stated "Death Aid - Kill The World" which I wore proudly for a time. I guess I have always hated fitting in with society's mainstream behaviour!
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 16, 2012, 11:29:38 pm
Some people think Earth is the only island in the desert of the vast galaxy.

I grew up with the notion we should be colonizing the solar system by now and eventually near by stars.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 16, 2012, 11:32:56 pm
Some people think Earth is the only island in the desert of the vast galaxy.

I grew up with the notion we should be colonizing the solar system by now and eventually near by stars.
I doubt there is anyone else out there, no advanced civilisation anyway. I doubt that humans will ever conquer space as there is the "free rider" problem -  nice way of stating that most humans are too corrupt to want to spend money on Space when they would rather spend money on welfare, food-stamps(like Obama did recently), or foreign aid or endless foreign wars.

Our only hope is that we eventually create strong AI and that might well  reach the stars, going at FTL speeds.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 16, 2012, 11:39:18 pm
Incidentally, GS, there's no point in appealing for mercy by showing photos of sexy women around the world.

I'm always trying to put a nice touch to counter your serious armageddon solutions, Tyler. 

I'm betting too many British men and too many American men are in love with Filipino women.  Your soldiers and generals won't push that button to exterminate us.

Filipinos bring a kind and caring service to the world.  Caring for your old and sick, caring for your children, loving your men when your women have forgotten how to treat men right.  And we now answer your technical support questions and make sales calls.

Who conquered who then huh?

Seriously, the American empire has conquered and raped our natural resources and enslaved our people monetarily, now you want to exterminate us?  How about, just leave us alone to our islands?  Are we eating your food in our islands?
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 17, 2012, 12:27:59 am
If only you lot actually stayed in your islands. Instead, you foist your overpopulation problems on the rest of the world.As for all those marriage bureaus for Thais/Filippinos etc., everyone knows that the women therein are mostly prostitutes and that, therefore, such relationships only end up badly. I have plenty of data from Thai etc citizens who proudly point out that no self-respecting woman, other than a gold-digging whore, would team up with a Westerner.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 17, 2012, 12:40:14 am
If only you lot actually stayed in your islands. Instead, you foist your overpopulation problems on the rest of the world.As for all those marriage bureaus for Thais/Filippinos etc., everyone knows that the women therein are mostly prostitutes and that, therefore, such relationships only end up badly. I have plenty of data from Thai etc citizens who proudly point out that no self-respecting woman, other than a gold-digging whore, would team up with a Westerner.

You can always tell your government to not accept foreign brides.  Maybe western women are just lacking in womanly ways.  If that is your example, then it shows your men chose to go here.  We didn't throw our women at you.

Besides Filipinas can communicate in better English than Thais. 

I think it is a win win when White men marry Filipinas.  White caucasian men are attracted to Filipinas we Filipino men are not attracted to. 

As for the gold digging slur.  Obviously you view house wifery as gold digging.  House wifery is a good deal.  And I bet Filipina housewives are cheaper than british housewives.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 17, 2012, 12:54:49 am
Actually, western men nowadays usually far prefer marrying russian women. And, no, I seriously doubt that eastern women would be cheaper than western women, especially after they learn about the ruinous divorce-deals in the west which are wholly in favour of the wives. It's a myth, anyway,  that eastern women are more submissive, as one frequently hears about such castrating/killing their  western husbands for not paying them enough cash, so most such relationships end pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: raw-al on August 17, 2012, 03:42:16 am
Gentlemen gentlemen! Please! Enough!
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Suiren on August 17, 2012, 04:04:15 am
East vs. West round 2
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 17, 2012, 04:27:14 am
Sorry, but I just love being cynical. I am such a fan of Diogenes. Over to more interesting topics.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: cherimoya_kid on August 17, 2012, 10:45:02 am
^I can't believe this guy is serious. Does someone need a hug?  ;D

Don't be silly, old boy.  Brits don't hug.  It's not proper.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 17, 2012, 11:30:52 am
Don't be silly, old boy.  Brits don't hug.  It's not proper.

:) :) :)
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 17, 2012, 07:47:28 pm
Don't be silly, old boy.  Brits don't hug.  It's not proper.
Correct, though, sadly, more and more Brits like to be more emotional, these days.

As regards my mention of nukes, I got the idea from an SF story which had 2 time-travellers going back in time to kill Einstein because their world in the future had been almost destroyed by atomic warfare. They kill the guy in order to stop the invention of nuclear weapons in the future, and return to the future only to be executed because their world has, as a result,  changed into an overpopulated hell, with tens of billions occupying the planet in endless slums. Was it Asimov who wrote it? Not sure.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: wodgina on August 18, 2012, 01:39:35 am
Pathetic! Those poor Philippine women can't get decent jobs in their overpopulated island paradise, so have to resort to whoring for a camera and pretending to be "hot." The plainer and older ones are forced to work as maidservants for other people's families. No wonder we here in California have whole cities of nothing but Philippine immigrants, where the women can use their education and get treated with human dignity.

There! I said it!

The Filipino women I've met were anything but down trodden and we have a lot where I live. I've never dated one but

they know exactly whats going on. Very money savvy. Stay slim, feminine, Wear nice clothes, age well...when was the last time you saw a poorly dressed, fat, masculine acting Filipino woman?

They don't  need sticking up for by some white chick ...
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: wodgina on August 18, 2012, 02:02:19 am
You can always tell your government to not accept foreign brides.  Maybe western women are just lacking in womanly ways.  If that is your example, then it shows your men chose to go here.  We didn't throw our women at you.

Besides Filipinos can communicate in better English than Thais. 

I think it is a win win when White men marry Filipinos.  White Caucasian men are attracted to Filipinas we Filipino men are not attracted to. 

As for the gold digging slur.  Obviously you view house wifery as gold digging.  House wifery is a good deal.  And I bet Filipina housewives are cheaper than british housewives.

I was talking to a Russian bride who had been in Australia a month. She just could not believe how good we have it.

In a month, she had already got married, started university, had a job (that's how I got talking to her) and was really friendly and warm.

Whats wrong with gold diggerry? marriage has always been a business deal whether it's for money or a shot of DNA

Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 18, 2012, 03:47:14 am

Whats wrong with gold diggerry? marriage has always been a business deal whether it's for money or a shot of DNA?

Says a man obviously without any scruples at all. If you're in the gold business, I wouldn't be surprised if you're smuggling gold out of those mines, under the companies' noses.  The whole point is that if women marry solely for money, then as soon as there is a recession and the man, after being fired/demoted etc., doesn't provide her any more with the western dream lifestyle she has yearned for due to watching the mindless television dramas she has viewed since childhood, then the marriage is over, and the man is faced with a costly divorce.  It's just moronic for a man to pay for sex with cash as women charge too much for it, whether they are prostitutes or gold-digging whores. Plus, I've also heard of rather nasty examples   wherein certain  Westerners basically kept their Asian wives as  complete slaves with the latter being forced to sleep on the floor every night  and other nonsense.

Still, it can occasionally work, sort of. The father of my sister-in-law deliberately married a Vietnamese woman solely in order to break into the Vietnamese business market(the Vietnamese government had a law forcing all foreigners owning a company investing in the country to have a Vietnamese citizen for a partner). Sadly, the father was a hopeless businessman so I'm not sure if his Vietnamese ventures  actually worked. But he made a deal with the wife that she got ownership of his house in the UK  after he died, so she certainly benefitted a few years later, though my sister-in-law didn't.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Neone on August 18, 2012, 04:01:42 am
Whats wrong with gold diggery?  I dont know Wog, maybe you should hook up with a lady who doesnt give a fuck about you, only your money, and then come back and tell us all bout the wonderful loving relationship you two have and all the personal growth you have had by having a loving supportive person in your life.....

I just hear lots of talk from dudes here who just suck at relationships and think that just because their love life has been a failure, that everybodys love life must be as miserable as theirs is.

The saying is something like 'The only consistent factor in all your failed relationships, is you'.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Suiren on August 18, 2012, 05:16:12 am
I just hear lots of talk from dudes here who just suck at relationships and think that just because their love life has been a failure, that everybodys love life must be as miserable as theirs is.

Hmm.. yeah this kind of talk surprises me too.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: RawZi on August 18, 2012, 05:57:11 am
    There are men that do various versions of gold diggery too. (deep breath out out with the bad) To each his or her own. It's good we all talk about it here in the tribe though to beware and watch out for each other or learn for ourselves all the various type of people there are.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: wodgina on August 18, 2012, 08:00:30 am
Whats wrong with gold diggery?  I dont know Wog, maybe you should hook up with a lady who doesnt give a fuck about you, only your money, and then come back and tell us all bout the wonderful loving relationship you two have and all the personal growth you have had by having a loving supportive person in your life.....

I just hear lots of talk from dudes here who just suck at relationships and think that just because their love life has been a failure, that everybodys love life must be as miserable as theirs is.

The saying is something like 'The only consistent factor in all your failed relationships, is you'.

Hey serious dude.

 I post for entertainment and to promote discussion. Anything you have read too much into in my post is your own projection.

 I thought the shot of DNA part may have been a giveaway.







Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Alive on August 19, 2012, 05:48:35 am

http://www.vibrationalmedicine.com/images/The_Human_Race_-_A_Dying_Breed.pdf (http://www.vibrationalmedicine.com/images/The_Human_Race_-_A_Dying_Breed.pdf)
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: goodsamaritan on August 19, 2012, 06:22:52 am
http://www.vibrationalmedicine.com/images/The_Human_Race_-_A_Dying_Breed.pdf (http://www.vibrationalmedicine.com/images/The_Human_Race_-_A_Dying_Breed.pdf)

Absolute delight to read.  And we are the kind of audience who absolutely appreciates this.
We are the health nuts.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Alive on August 20, 2012, 02:13:47 pm
Cheers GS,
Denie Hiestand has also written a book I think you would love - called 'one man's Journey to Truth'.
It contains raw meat eating, healing, and sex - so it should be perfect for you  >D
(http://covers.openlibrary.org/w/id/734099-M.jpg)

He also wrote a book 'Electrical Nutrition', which I haven't read, claiming that grains and cooking destroy the bodies electrical systems (from his point of view everything is electrical - eg chemical reactions involve the exchange of electrons, enzymes move molecules through charges)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519Q0400X4L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

And heres a lovely thermal image of breasts, because where would we be without them?
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_J6GH5tTnddA/TMtRqRHmsKI/AAAAAAAAAdM/5lYpetVdRbE/s1600/Thermography+Image+JPEG.jpg)
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: ys on August 28, 2012, 08:53:18 pm
World may be forced to go vegetarian by 2050, scientists say

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/vegetarian-2050-190426669.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/vegetarian-2050-190426669.html)
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: TylerDurden on August 28, 2012, 10:36:01 pm
World may be forced to go vegetarian by 2050, scientists say

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/vegetarian-2050-190426669.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/vegetarian-2050-190426669.html)
I suspect only some parts of the world will have to go vegetarian, the most overpopulated parts. Which can only be a good thing as vegetarianism will likely reduce fertility a great deal.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: CitrusHigh on August 29, 2012, 12:31:41 am
That's it Miker, you are officially my new designated source of reading material! lol There is not one thing you've recommended that I haven't found completely fascinating, thank you for sharing all that wonderful material!
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Alive on August 29, 2012, 03:43:59 am
Thank you Thoth - it's nice to have a fan  ;D

One of the things Denie Hiestand talks about is how the modern medical birth process disrupts chemical / electrical communications between baby and mother. He suggests that after birth there is a signalling process between baby and mother to disconnect the umbilical function and move on to the next phase of life.

If this is terminated abruptly, such as by the premature clamping / cutting of the cord normal in modern 'health care' then this function is not completed correctly.

He suggests that this could be one of the causes of postpartum depression.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Suiren on August 29, 2012, 04:57:19 am
One of the things Denie Hiestand talks about is how the modern medical birth process disrupts chemical / electrical communications between baby and mother. He suggests that after birth there is a signalling process between baby and mother to disconnect the umbilical function and move on to the next phase of life.

If this is terminated abruptly, such as by the premature clamping / cutting of the cord normal in modern 'health care' then this function is not completed correctly.

He suggests that this could be one of the causes of postpartum depression.

I hate the fact that I had to have a c-section. I did not experience major problems, but I was a little baffled when my son was in my arms, and I had never even went into labor... :(

As for the vegetarian thing - a lot of people will gladly go vegetarian because they believe it to be healthy, and they will also believe it is for a good cause.
I assume Paleo dieters could concentrate more on wild game to escape the problem?
Also, if wild animals would increase a bit because their habitats would be protected more or improved, that would also mean more meat for some.
Just a thought I had, correct me if it is completely wrong.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: raw-al on August 29, 2012, 08:58:39 am
Alive,

I've heard that before somewhere about leaving the umbilical cord just atrophy and fall off naturally, but don't quote me.
Title: Re: Overpopulation is a
Post by: Alive on August 29, 2012, 10:37:17 am
This would work:

Take vegetable food matter
RP process using microbe fermentation steps to fully digest & upgrade the nutrition (eg copy cow stomach if processing grass, produces b12 etc)
The fermentation processes could be programmed for different plant sources, and blended to provide complete microbe nutrition (oxygen levels, temperature...) from existing foods and waste products
Eat resulting silage or extract the most edible components
Any green house gasses produced would be trapped and could be used as fuel
No energy wasted on cow heating / locomotion

I read that microbes love urea and ammonia,  so houses could recycle their own pee - speaking of which I did taste my pee the other day and it tastes so much better since going LC RP, I had a cup on the bench for a week and it didn't smell. My family didn't even notice any smell!