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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: TylerDurden on August 29, 2013, 12:40:56 am
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As people here generally know, I still consume alcohol at times. I noticed recently, incidentally, that when I was in a pub that I got a lot quicker under the influence than if I consumed alcohol at home. Moreover, at the pub I only ever drink beer whereas, at home, I drink much stronger stuff, usually spirits or liqueurs. Anyone else experience this or are most of us strict teetotallers?
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quicker at doing what?
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At home you are most likely in your comfort zone, so your level of adapting to the situation while under the influence and the level of judgement necessary isn't as high.
When you are the the pub you are being bombarded by random stimulus, others conversation, different lighting, etcetc, so the amount of information you are receiving and must interpret is much higher, and so you may be more aware of your level of coherence.
For scientific reasons, I request that you go to the pub and drink what/how you would at home, and see if you don't feel much more sloshed.
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If I would ever into alcohol, which i never touched in my life, I really will take marijuana instead
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I think I've noticed that too. Wine, beer, hard liquors, doesn't matter. I get more buzzed drunk when out than at home. Not only in the bar but also outside. I think some of it has to do with quality of drink. I also think they serve bigger than "1 beer" size drinks. For example a beer ordered on tap would generally be poured at about 1.5 beers-worth.
Possibly a difference in what's in your stomach? I know at home I eat then drink. When out, I usually haven't, or don't care to eat.
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maybe to do with "set, and setting"...
(this typically applies to any drug use)
your mindset, ie: you go to a bar for a single purpose (to get swilly with others).
your environment / setting, ie: being in an atmosphere where others are enjoying their buzz, acts as a catalyst for your own buzz.
being in the right conditions for "set, and setting" can enhance the overall experience. if one is off, the experience suffers...
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quicker at doing what?
"Under the influence" as in "under the influence of alcohol".
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"Under the influence" as in "under the influence of alcohol".
Ah ok. I can't comment on this, because I rarely drink now (last 2 times I drank was 1.5 months and 9.5 months ago) and if I do it is always red wine and never at a bar or pub or the like.
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mr durden, the next time you are in a pub, getting hammered with a group of strangers while singing billy joel songs "off - key"... why not take a brief moment to contemplate your recent post in the av thread...
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If I would ever into alcohol, which i never touched in my life, I really will take marijuana instead
Excellent point. Alcohol has so many more negative effects on the body compared to marijuana.
Why not try an herbal intoxicant, Tyler?
You should take a trip to Amsterdam and check out the hash bar, if you want to get out and have a good time...
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mr durden, the next time you are in a pub, getting hammered with a group of strangers while singing billy joel songs "off - key"... why not take a brief moment to contemplate your recent post in the av thread...
Alcohol won´t kill me as I don´t overdo it.
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The sad thing about marijuana is it has been bred to be only intoxicating, not very medicinal. The best qualities of the best strains have been lost long ago. Due to people not recognizing the medicinal properties and the market only appreciating the intoxicating factors. Also things like epigenetics take a toll on the quality of those few strains that are left that do have some really interesting medicinal and spiritual properties. They change so much when they are grown where they must be due to legality and safety.
I think it's just a matter of moderation and accessing overall health. I doubt that a few shots or a couple beers would do much damage to someone who hasn't over done it in the past and keeps a very healthy, active and balanced lifestyle.
(TBH even typing the words "a few shots" makes my liver ache, ha!)
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It has been ages since I last got dizzy with alcohol.
Few months ago I tried to eat some organic raw cacao paste from this farm and as soon as I placed it on my tongue I got headache and a bit of tachicardia.. hah
It could be because of quality. Do you drink raw liquors at home?
BTW, here local people make "cacao honey", squeezing pulp from seed and it naturally ferments very quickly people go crazy about it. O0
I guess drinking brews it is part of a natural diet, even prior of agriculture.
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How do you feel drinking a beer at home? My friends sometimes say they get more drunk off beer, usually because they drink liquor mostly.
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I figure it all comes back to set and setting. Environment and company definitely factor in effects. When I drink alone its pretty introspective, but in mixed company I tend toward rowdiness...either being the party boy or drunk menace.
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When you drink liquor at home do you drink it straight or mix it?
When you go out to drink is it on an empty stomach?
There are so many factors involved which can alter the rate of alcohol absorption.
You can do what the old time expert drinkers I know do and mix a couple of raw eggs in your ale. Its suppose to fortify you and slow the absorption of alcohol. Then after drinking all night they would also put an egg in their beer in the morning to ease a hangover.
Beer And Raw Egg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QowX_Bd_4c#)
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Alcohol won´t kill me as I don´t overdo it.
i am so sorry, mr durden, you completely misunderstood my point... i was trying to be a little "covert" on a suggestion to you... it had nothing to do with your ill demise! haha... you must really think i'm an ass... (well, more now than before!)
i was referring to the comment you made about "someone filling his shoes..." why not step up?
geez, that went totally wrong... lol...
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i am so sorry, mr durden, you completely misunderstood my point... i was trying to be a little "covert" on a suggestion to you... it had nothing to do with your ill demise! haha... you must really think i'm an ass... (well, more now than before!)
i was referring to the comment you made about "someone filling his shoes..." why not step up?
geez, that went totally wrong... lol...
Oh, I see! ;) No, I really am not charismatic etc. enough to step into his shoes.
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I usually drink alcohol on an empty stomach, whether outside the house or inside. As for beer, yes, I think that´s the case with me too. I guess we all adapt to the type of alcohol we usually drink.
Raw eggs apparently replace the fats destroyed by alcohol.
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Oh, I see! ;) No, I really am not charismatic etc. enough to step into his shoes.
Said every great leader in history.
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Said every great leader in history.
indeed...
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The sad thing about marijuana is it has been bred to be only intoxicating, not very medicinal. The best qualities of the best strains have been lost long ago. Due to people not recognizing the medicinal properties and the market only appreciating the intoxicating factors. Also things like epigenetics take a toll on the quality of those few strains that are left that do have some really interesting medicinal and spiritual properties. They change so much when they are grown where they must be due to legality and safety.
I think it's just a matter of moderation and accessing overall health. I doubt that a few shots or a couple beers would do much damage to someone who hasn't over done it in the past and keeps a very healthy, active and balanced lifestyle.
(TBH even typing the words "a few shots" makes my liver ache, ha!)
thats bullshit. Plenty of companies work only with landrace strains meaning its what theyv had for thousands of years in that particular area.
this video shows you how one company brings you all the strains you will buy form them.
Kings of Cannabis (Full Length Documentary) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwRIZHOHBLE#ws)
also the recreational effect and medicinal effect are one in the same. If you want ultimate medicinal effect with no recreational effect then juice it, that is however quite unlikely in todays world to get your hands on the leaves or enough buds.
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the finest alcohols make me feel like crap. the finest weed only makes me feel better. If i take too much then i just sleep for a very long time, very healing.
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that's all fine and good, but please, down tone your responses, and simply add information to enlighten. thanks
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Do they grow those landrace strains where they are from? do they never cross those? i doubt it.
I really think there are people that cannabis isn't suitable medicine for. I am one of those people. what state do you live in svrn? I am from Colorado, cannabis culture is pretty old and common out there.
Not really the best choice for pain meds by most because most people dont try and treat root causes first. it just deemphasizes the need to clean up diet and lifestyle and insure emotional and spiritual needs are dealt with. balancing all this is the best pain med you could ask for. i do see where this does happen, but there are so many cardholders and people who smoke that could give a fuck. there are also other herbal meds that can more acutely treat symptoms. i always have hoped marijuana would be the gateway drug to more natural medicines, but the fact is there is an industry that thrives on its recreational use.
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that's all fine and good, but please, down tone your responses, and simply add information to enlighten. thanks
thanks, van. ;)
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Do they grow those landrace strains where they are from? do they never cross those? i doubt it.
I really think there are people that cannabis isn't suitable medicine for. I am one of those people. what state do you live in svrn? I am from Colorado, cannabis culture is pretty old and common out there.
Not really the best choice for pain meds by most because most people dont try and treat root causes first. it just deemphasizes the need to clean up diet and lifestyle and insure emotional and spiritual needs are dealt with. balancing all this is the best pain med you could ask for. i do see where this does happen, but there are so many cardholders and people who smoke that could give a fuck. there are also other herbal meds that can more acutely treat symptoms. i always have hoped marijuana would be the gateway drug to more natural medicines, but the fact is there is an industry that thrives on its recreational use.
so what if they arent grown where they are from? Id bet 95 percent of the food you eat does not genetically originate from where it is grown. It makes no difference.
finding landrace strains is so easy, i dont see what the complaint is, from what I hear from older people, what they were smoking in the 60 is stronger than what they are smoking today
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that's all fine and good, but please, down tone your responses, and simply add information to enlighten. thanks
your right i just hear people saying this stuff around me constantly and its just not true.
Cannabis is probably the plant with the least tampered with genetics. The top seed companies go around the world unearthing new landrace strains every year. Greenhouse seeds documents this in their series called strainhunters.
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I have heard from many that similar strains smoked grown in different countrys are totally different. Like African sativas on that continent are totally different from African sativas grown in a very isolated growing situation here in the states.
I remember smoking weed in the early 90's that was so totally different from todays weed, old home grown, old Mexican "red hair" brick weed, when we finally got "kind bud", and then having smoked whats now considered "medical marijuana" with HUUGE ridiculous tricomes, and high amounts of every kind of cannabinoid not just THC. I mean come on, its like franken herb . In the last 20 years the difference is incredible to me. It might be different if I were over in Europe where maybe some of those "stronger" strains were more available then. But I do believe in how they are grown, how the amount of nutrients and climate control is maximized and mimicking light cycles is pushing the plants to be much different then something grown in the wild or in native soils.
I know that some of the more heritage strains are way more entheogenic then purely mentally sedating or whatever its considered when you get high, no amount of "couch lock" or stupor. There are so many property's to different kinds of strains and I do understand that there are growers saving genetics. I really do think there is just a true lack of knowledge and respect based around its use, and its really no use to a population who fails to change underlying issues.
Anyway srvn, I am not against mj by any means, I have friends who have seed companies and go to all of the cannabis cups here in the states. I truly respect it as having medicinal properties, but I think like any thing that becomes an industry its misused. People use it as a lifetime sedative for issues that can be healed through other means. I don't smoke any more after many years of dealing with the fact that most every strain unnecessarily lowers my blood sugar and causes hypoglycemia and lack of motivation and I have found much better herbs and entheogens to help heal issues, non of which I use regularly or plan to use if I don't need them.
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Modern marijuana smoking does not cure anything. The medicinal properties are largely ingestion. Can you think of any other plant which is actually good for us to inhale the smoke of? If you cough after first inhaling something it is because your lungs want rid of it. The pain relief aspects of marijuana are a topical fix. As for feeling "relaxed" i really don't need help in that area, as I am relaxing right now in a comfortable easy chair, drug free.
The hops in beer are loaded with estrogen which is why beer drinkers are so fat and have those man breasts. Alcohol is toxic for the liver and kills brain cells. Something which makes us feel physically ill is obviously not good for us.
You couldn't pay me to consume alcohol or do drugs of any kind. I hate drugs even more than religious people. They make me fearful and have an overall unpleasant feeling in the head.
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Modern marijuana smoking does not cure anything. The medicinal properties are largely ingestion. Can you think of any other plant which is actually good for us to inhale the smoke of? If you cough after first inhaling something it is because your lungs want rid of it. The pain relief aspects of marijuana are a topical fix. As for feeling "relaxed" i really don't need help in that area, as I am relaxing right now in a comfortable easy chair, drug free.
The hops in beer are loaded with estrogen which is why beer drinkers are so fat and have those man breasts. Alcohol is toxic for the liver and kills brain cells. Something which makes us feel physically ill is obviously not good for us.
You couldn't pay me to consume alcohol or do drugs of any kind. I hate drugs even more than religious people. They make me fearful and have an overall unpleasant feeling in the head.
first of all cannabis is a plant not a drug. Yes there are medicinal properties in smoking it. Studies have shown for example that cannabis smokers have lower levels of alzheimers than non smokers there are many other benefits that you can easily google. Cannabis is also a great lung expectorant meaning it makes you cough up things in your lungs and clean them out. The coughing is actually good. Lung cancer rates are lower and lung capacity higher in non smokers as well.
http://www.naturalnews.com/035980_cannabis_smokers_cancer.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/035980_cannabis_smokers_cancer.html)
eating one emal of cooked food actually causes absorption of more heat created toxins than a yaers worth of cigarettes at 2 packs a day
http://www.waiworld.com/waidiet/wd-smoking.html (http://www.waiworld.com/waidiet/wd-smoking.html)
so no smoking cannabis is not bad for you at all and there are benefits to smoking it which cant be gotten from eating it..
as far as eating it raw and juicing it, I think the benefits are much greater and can be even stronger when made into an oil.
drugs are bad, plants are good.
cannabis is actually the most important plant in the world. especially for humans and their diet.
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Wow man...there are some real prudies on here..its like 1000 bullshit fears regarding weed.
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an update on the medicinal weed.
There is a new trend in the cannabis community of medical strains. These have low thc and high cbd/cbn counts which relieve many specific pains.
I have trid some of these and while they do have less of a trippy effect due to lower thc I often get even higher on thsoe strains as the cannabinoids make my body feel very nice while leaving my mind less high.
So although the medicinal strains do have a different effect, dont assume that they make you any less high.
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Iv also been experimenting with smoking various other herbs including many that were harvested in the wild with wild genetics. I find I get the least amount of negative effects from smoking marijuana.
The plant iv smoked with the most negative effects is organic chemical free tobacco. The nicotine itself had me on the floor very sick a few times. This never happens with cannabis.
The wild tabacco has even more nicotine actually so would have had me even more sick.
So dont assume that wild is always better although I agree that it usually is.
also the old timers always tell me the stuff they smoked in the 60 and 70s was way stronger.
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an update on the medicinal weed.
There is a new trend in the cannabis community of medical strains. These have low thc and high cbd/cbn counts which relieve many specific pains.
I have trid some of these and while they do have less of a trippy effect due to lower thc I often get even higher on thsoe strains as the cannabinoids make my body feel very nice while leaving my mind less high.
So although the medicinal strains do have a different effect, dont assume that they make you any less high.
Harlequin was one of these with high CBD. Very very good bud.
My uncle is a Naturopathic doctor who has never smoked weed. He takes a CBD tincture every day and has for the past few months. Im going to have to ask him what effects he's noticed.