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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Off Topic => Topic started by: raw-al on July 12, 2011, 12:33:58 am
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I periodically hear people discuss eating clay for health reasons.
What's the story on it?
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It's a known detoxifier, often used by wild animals to nullify the effects of ingested poisons.
I used it but it only initiated a sudden detox the first time. After that, it seemed to be ineffective, but then I only ate edible clay after 2 or 3 years on this diet. I'm sure I would have speeded up my healing if I'd tried the clay right at the start of the diet.
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Is any particular clay recommended?
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Is any particular clay recommended?
Edible french green clay is usually most recommended, with bentonite/azomite usually recommended against, as I recall.
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I've been curious about this too.. Where do you find edible clay? would it be in my regular organics store? Or do I have to search at some special store? Or can you only get it online or something?
and can you eat it for other health problems, other than poison? and which sort of health problems? or is it just a plain detox?
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Please post links to something sold on amazon or ebay or health food store of this edible clay.
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Edible french green clay is usually most recommended, with bentonite/azomite usually recommended against, as I recall.
What's wrong with bentonite/azomite clays? Curious. The green clays happen to be bentonite vvvv
Green clays edible clay purchase site everyone: http://www.greenclays.com/
http://www.greenclays.com/clay-supplements.php
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Please post links to something sold on amazon ... edible clay.
Terramin is supposed to be calcium and raw rather than sodium and heated. This one is probably good http://www.amazon.com/Ion-Charged-Terramin-Supplement-2-Pounds/dp/B003FCYVOG (http://www.amazon.com/Ion-Charged-Terramin-Supplement-2-Pounds/dp/B003FCYVOG)
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Terramin is supposed to be calcium and raw rather than sodium and heated. This one is probably good http://www.amazon.com/Ion-Charged-Terramin-Supplement-2-Pounds/dp/B003FCYVOG (http://www.amazon.com/Ion-Charged-Terramin-Supplement-2-Pounds/dp/B003FCYVOG)
Do they have it in the form of the clay itself instead of a pill like bentonite?
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What's wrong with bentonite/azomite clays? Curious. The green clays happen to be bentonite vvvv
Green clays edible clay purchase site everyone: http://www.greenclays.com/
http://www.greenclays.com/clay-supplements.php
I'm only quoting AV's stuff vaguely from memory. Maybe the bentonite was fine, I just recall that edible french green clay was always recommended over others.
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French Green Clay: Found it in its whole form to buy on this site: http://www.frenchclayforall.com/contact.html
Their guarantee: "100 % NATURAL
GUARANTEED
SUN DRIED
PRESERVATIVE FREE
NON-IONIZED
NOT TESTED
ON ANIMALS
CLAY IS NOT JUST ANOTHER REMEDY.
IT IS A "MODE DE VIE" TO AVOID REMEDIES.
WATCH ANIMALS!
THEY EAT IT, ROLL IN IT
TO PROTECT AND HEAL THEMSELVES..."
Question: Is Sun Dried okay since that does constitute a form of heating...
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Sun-dried is still raw.
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Eating clay/soil/earth is apparently known as geophagy and is widespread in primates and many other animals and is quite common in humans, especially in tropical regions.
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2011-06-animals-humans-clay-toxins.html
http://www.euprim-net.eu/network/courses/downloads/presentations/course6/7_heymann.pdf
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Can anyone post their online sources of edible clay(not pill form) to buy online?
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Do they have it in the form of the clay itself instead of a pill like bentonite?
I tried bentonite once, about twenty years ago or more. Actually over 22 years ago is when I tried it. If I remember, it was a liquid.
If you click the link, I believe it likes to a container of powder to buy. There are other links from there to tablets.
If I'm not incorrect, when someone says bentonite, they mean the sodium based cooked bentonite. When it's written as terramin, it's the calcium based raw bentonite. I hope that helps.
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If we have been raw paleo dieters for quite some time, when would we need to consume clay? And how much? Your guidelines to consuming clay?
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I've been wanting to try this ever since I heard daniel vitalis talking about it. I read on one site that clay makes a very good substitute for toothpaste and that it cures gum disease. I think daniel vitalis brushes his teeth with the clay and then swallows it.
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I tried bentonite once, about twenty years ago or more. Actually over 22 years ago is when I tried it. If I remember, it was a liquid.
If you click the link, I believe it likes to a container of powder to buy. There are other links from there to tablets.
If I'm not incorrect, when someone says bentonite, they mean the sodium based cooked bentonite. When it's written as terramin, it's the calcium based raw bentonite. I hope that helps.
Thanks for clearing that up I was confused lol.
This link you posted? : http://www.amazon.com/Ion-Charged-Terramin-Supplement-2-Pounds/dp/B003FCYVOG
I only see the pill bottle thingy
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Thanks for clearing that up I was confused lol.
This link you posted? : http://www.amazon.com/Ion-Charged-Terramin-Supplement-2-Pounds/dp/B003FCYVOG
I only see the pill bottle thingy
Click the "zoom+" to enlarge the picture. It reads "powder" and it doesn't read "pill" or "tablet".
If you want pills or tablets then click this link http://www.amazon.com/Terramin-Montmorillonite-Clay-Tablets-120/dp/B001DYYLC0/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1310486394&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Terramin-Montmorillonite-Clay-Tablets-120/dp/B001DYYLC0/ref=sr_1_1?s=hpc&ie=UTF8&qid=1310486394&sr=1-1) instead.
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Oh thanks again derf I must be tired. Assumed it was a pill.
Will add this to my bookmarks of clays to buy :)
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That frenchclayforall looks a lot better than the stuff on amazon.. so expensive, though. I wonder if it would help clear up my acne, though.
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That frenchclayforall looks a lot better than the stuff on amazon.. so expensive, though. I wonder if it would help clear up my acne, though.
All my life up till I was in my thirties the only soap I could use on my skin without making skin problems was french clay. Also, the first clay I brushed my teeth with was french clay. It was good. I had bad acne too, and this soap was helpful and good for my complexion.
I haven't used the amazon brand, but I have used a few terramins, and they work very well.
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Sooooo can I go collect some clay and eat it ?
I know where there is some clay. Matter of fact it's everywhere. Is there any difference?
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Sooooo can I go collect some clay and eat it ?
I know where there is some clay. Matter of fact it's everywhere. Is there any difference?
Well in theory you can collect water just about everywhere. Same idea more or less. Most of the clays like expensive salts are from 'special' places with various properties and ideally away from the higher concentrations of environmental pollution.
I use the terramin powder for teeth. Never throught about swallowing that mixture...
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I use the terramin powder for teeth. Never throught about swallowing that mixture...
I hydrate the terramin powder with mineral water or raw milk and drink it. I think if you mix it with honey and eat it, it may do you harm.
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What about clay from ocean areas? (beach)
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What about clay from ocean areas? (beach)
Yeah. How can one find edible clay in nature? Ive seen it in like rock form in desert pics. Getting my own would be fun :)
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How can one find edible clay in nature?
I've seen it a very few places. I'm not sure how to find it otherwise.
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I've seen it a very few places. I'm not sure how to find it otherwise.
Could you post a few pictures of clay in nature? I dont even know how it would look lol, like a rock, chunk, or pottery mud lol.
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or pottery mud
I think it's exactly this? As kids we would go collect from this mud and make pots and "art" etc. Obviously it's everywhere around, but only on few places you would find it in sufficiently pure form that will work well for pottery. I never thought this would be edible though :)
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Go out when it hasn't rained for quite some time and look for places like this
(http://motherjones.com/files/legacy/blue_marble_blog/clay.h4.jpg)
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hey you crack me up
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^ xD
Is that really clay? Looks like a bunch of desert to me.
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What did you expect? :D When there's water it's mud, otherwise it's that bunch of desert
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Lol so is that like the clay itself, or is near those desert areas, or are you supposed to dig? I come off naive but I know zero about clay locating ???
I love to save soem money and find it myself like the animals :D
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I'm pretty sure edible clay is completely different from both regular dirt and from pottery clay. I don't think you can eat pottery clay, but really I have no idea so don't take anything I say as fact, only speculation. But I would assume only pure clays of high mineral content would be sought out.
With a simple search, I was able to find these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geophagy
http://www.eytonsearth.org/bentonite.html
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I think that pottery clay is a chemical soup.
It's also hard to eat and not paleo if it's been fired.. : )
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I still have no idea how to collect clay in the wild. :S
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I still have no idea how to collect clay in the wild. :S
You have to be quiet. Be still my beating heart.
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I still have no idea how to collect clay in the wild. :S
You'd have to find a deposit of clay that was edible and not contaminated..
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When rivers cut out their beds in rocky ground the "cutting paste" that results is clay. Therefore clay can only be found on (dried) river beds. Since our current waterways are hopelesly polluted one has to search for ancient clay deposits. Ancient river beds that have not since seen pollution. Preferably on sites with very little rain otherwise the mineral balance is disturbed because the lighter minerals will be washed out. Good luck finding such a site!
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You'd have to find a deposit of clay that was edible and not contaminated..
That's quite true :(
What if it was somewhere remote, like the middle of the Arizona desert, could you be sure if was free of contamination?
When rivers cut out their beds in rocky ground the "cutting paste" that results is clay. Therefore clay can only be found on (dried) river beds. Since our current waterways are hopelesly polluted one has to search for ancient clay deposits. Ancient river beds that have not since seen pollution. Preferably on sites with very little rain otherwise the mineral balance is disturbed because the lighter minerals will be washed out. Good luck finding such a site!
I'd need a lotta luck for that lol! I bet you'd even get rich finding such a find!
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That's quite true :(
What if it was somewhere remote, like the middle of the Arizona desert, could you be sure if was free of contamination?
I'd need a lotta luck for that lol! I bet you'd even get rich finding such a find!
I would avoid obviously urban areas but otherwise I wouldn't worry. You are breathing the stuff all day anyways and who says the stuff you buy online isn't contaminated. There's no magic fairy that blesses everything you buy online or at a "Health Food" store. Read "Down and Out in Paris and London" and you'll see what us humans are capable of.
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That's quite true :(
What if it was somewhere remote, like the middle of the Arizona desert, could you be sure if was free of contamination?
I'd need a lotta luck for that lol! I bet you'd even get rich finding such a find!
Well there are a lot of ancient gletsjers melting away so they may reveal some pristine clay ;D
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Okay so I just bought some clay from that frenchgreenclayforallwhatever site, and now I have this jar of clay and all.. so can I just eat this stuff straight? Or should I do what the paper tells me to and soak it in water overnight, drink only the white clay "milk" that it forms, and leave the residue at the bottom? Can I mix the clay with a little water so that it goes from being dry, to more of an actual "clay" and still eat it like that? Or what? Are there any things I should avoid doing or mixing the clay with? I don't know how all this works, though I'd assume I'd be able to eat this stuff straight.
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Can I mix the clay with a little water so that it goes from being dry, to more of an actual "clay" and still eat it like that? Or what?
I soak, then dilute, like your instructions indicate. The idea is that the clay molecules are absorptive, so you don't want a lump of clay with most of the surface of each molecule inside the lump. You do want the molecules to be all spread out and separate as they pass through you, each one absorbing toxins.
Clay is my favorite (and only) detox.
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Yeah i thought you could just mix it with water and drink? And clayers/french clayers can clarify?
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well I mean, I wouldn't eat all the clay in one big lump..I'd grind it or chew it up into powder and swallow it like that, a little bit at a time. o.O if I grind it or chew it, is it necessary to mix it with water still?
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well I mean, I wouldn't eat all the clay in one big lump..I'd grind it or chew it up into powder and swallow it like that, a little bit at a time. o.O if I grind it or chew it, is it necessary to mix it with water still?
I've seen a guy take a chunk of clay in the form of a rock, put it in his mouth, crack it with his teeth, and chew it up. Seems legit so just no worries just gulp it down, chew it up, drink it with water, etc all is fine I assume :)
Here's the vid person chewing clay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o7zn7e5Ep4
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Let it soak for a day in natural (preferably rain)water this allows the clay molecules to start reacting with the organic compounds in the water thereby creating organicly bound minerals. If you drink it straight away most of the mineral content is fully inorganic. The body absorbs organicly bound mineral much much better than inorganic minerals. That why bone broth is a good mineral sup just not raw.
I always add a small amount of either ground eggshell, raw bone meal or basalt rock powder to my water kefir. This makes the grains grow fast and strong. they get to 3cm diameter before they break. Without the minerals they grow much slower and dont get much bigger than 5mm. As a sugar source for the kefir I use raw sun evaporated sugarcane juice this also has some minerals. This makes my probiotic drink rich in organic bound minerals. Might try clay for the same purpose some time see how the kefir reacts.
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Well uh, I ground up my clay into a powder, then mixed it with water (I only ever drink fiji water, if what the labels on fiji water say is true, then it is the purest most natural water that I can possibly get in my opinion. It is far too smoggy and polluted here, in SoCal, for me to consider using rainwater, and I have never nor will I ever trust tap water, even filtered.) just enough for it to become the texture of like regular clay that you use for molding and firing. I mixed it with my fingers, I don't trust metal utensils anyways but the instructions with the clay say not to use metal anyways because it reacts with the clay. I ground it in a marble mortar and pestle, and mixed it in an either glass bowl, or a plastic so hard that it feels like glass.. I can't tell if these bowls I bought are glass or plastic, and the box didn't say (which makes me suspect they might be plastic) but then one of them broke, it broke just like glass, so.. I don't know.
Anyways, I ate about a spoonful or so of this stuff, right after mixing it, I didn't really let it sit or anything. I ate it first thing in the morning, when my stomach was completely empty, since the night before the only thing i consumed was some water mixed with raw apple cider vinegar. I ate it slowly, first licking the stuff off my fingers since I mixed it with them and it was all over my fingers, then I took out a lump of it and popped it in my mouth, slowly sucking and chewing on it like I would a piece of hard candy or taffy, and making sure to eat it slowly so it wouldn't all be one big lump. Soon afterwards, I got a really bad stomach ache, that eventually got to the point that I felt like puking. I even went to the toilet and hung my head over it waiting to puke, but it's very difficult for me to puke even if I really feel like it and even if I stick my fingers down my throat. I never ended up puking, I just lay in bed curled up, half asleep for a while. The stomach ache didn't go away for a long while, and I was really really hungry since I hadn't eaten for a while either, and finally ended up eating some raw cheese. A little while after eating the cheese I started to feel better, even though I felt like eating it was going to make me want to puke even more, it didn't. It also tasted extremely salty to me, though it is salted cheese, it had never tasted so salty to me before. Though that might be because on the first batch of clay that I made I added a bunch of my himilayan pink salt, but it ended up tasting way too salty for me, so I didnt eat much of it and made a new batch with just pure clay and water.
But it made me feel so sick tht I'm scared to eat it again, I don't know why it made me so nauseated though..
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Thanks for the detail. Do tell us what happened in the next 24 hours or so.
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Well I didn't really notice much during the next 24 hours or so, and anything I had felt could have been caused by other factors than the clay, but as far as detox symptoms, I really didn't have any as far as I know, I felt normal enough after the sick feeling went away. I do know that a day or two later, I had some extreme difficulty, uh.. going to the bathroom, much more difficulty than I've had since starting to try and eat raw about a year ago or so, as far as I can remember. But that could have been caused by any number of factors, since I'm not exactly eating an ideal diet at the moment, even though I'm eating mostly raw at least, but still.. too much dairy and I've been experimenting a lot with raw caco powder trying to make homemade raw chocolates and stuff.. but yeah, I don't know if that was caused by the clay itself, or perhaps clay mixed with other factors, or just other factors that had nothing to do with the clay I ate.
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Well I didn't really notice much during the next 24 hours or so, and anything I had felt could have been caused by other factors than the clay, but as far as detox symptoms, I really didn't have any as far as I know, I felt normal enough after the sick feeling went away. I do know that a day or two later, I had some extreme difficulty, uh.. going to the bathroom, much more difficulty than I've had since starting to try and eat raw about a year ago or so, as far as I can remember. But that could have been caused by any number of factors, since I'm not exactly eating an ideal diet at the moment, even though I'm eating mostly raw at least, but still.. too much dairy and I've been experimenting a lot with raw caco powder trying to make homemade raw chocolates and stuff.. but yeah, I don't know if that was caused by the clay itself, or perhaps clay mixed with other factors, or just other factors that had nothing to do with the clay I ate.
If it's a sodium bentonite clay, then yes, the clay caused the constipation, probably. You really have to be careful with taking sodium bentonite clays internally, you should drink LOTS of water with them. Calcium bentonites are much better for daily eating.
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sodium bentonite clay, then yes, the clay caused the constipation, ... Calcium bentonites are much better for daily eating.
My experience too, severe constipation from a little sodium in a cup of water, no constipation nor any problem from regular calcium in less water.
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Well uh, I ground up my clay into a powder, then mixed it with water (I only ever drink fiji water, if what the labels on fiji water say is true, then it is the purest most natural water that I can possibly get in my opinion. It is far too smoggy and polluted here, in SoCal, for me to consider using rainwater, and I have never nor will I ever trust tap water, even filtered.) just enough for it to become the texture of like regular clay that you use for molding and firing. I mixed it with my fingers, I don't trust metal utensils anyways but the instructions with the clay say not to use metal anyways because it reacts with the clay. I ground it in a marble mortar and pestle, and mixed it in an either glass bowl, or a plastic so hard that it feels like glass.. I can't tell if these bowls I bought are glass or plastic, and the box didn't say (which makes me suspect they might be plastic) but then one of them broke, it broke just like glass, so.. I don't know.
Anyways, I ate about a spoonful or so of this stuff, right after mixing it, I didn't really let it sit or anything. I ate it first thing in the morning, when my stomach was completely empty, since the night before the only thing i consumed was some water mixed with raw apple cider vinegar. I ate it slowly, first licking the stuff off my fingers since I mixed it with them and it was all over my fingers, then I took out a lump of it and popped it in my mouth, slowly sucking and chewing on it like I would a piece of hard candy or taffy, and making sure to eat it slowly so it wouldn't all be one big lump. Soon afterwards, I got a really bad stomach ache, that eventually got to the point that I felt like puking. I even went to the toilet and hung my head over it waiting to puke, but it's very difficult for me to puke even if I really feel like it and even if I stick my fingers down my throat. I never ended up puking, I just lay in bed curled up, half asleep for a while. The stomach ache didn't go away for a long while, and I was really really hungry since I hadn't eaten for a while either, and finally ended up eating some raw cheese. A little while after eating the cheese I started to feel better, even though I felt like eating it was going to make me want to puke even more, it didn't. It also tasted extremely salty to me, though it is salted cheese, it had never tasted so salty to me before. Though that might be because on the first batch of clay that I made I added a bunch of my himilayan pink salt, but it ended up tasting way too salty for me, so I didnt eat much of it and made a new batch with just pure clay and water.
But it made me feel so sick tht I'm scared to eat it again, I don't know why it made me so nauseated though..
Yeah was that the French Clay you consumed? If so/if not wondering like everyone said if it's a sodium clay.
For some reason cause of its name(like sodium bicarbonate) i'm comparing it to and the effects of baking soda in my mind. Baking soda(sodium) would make me feel that way.
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well I did add salt to the first mixture I made, perhaps that's why I got constipated.. it hasn't been very easy going since then though, even without having eaten anymore clay, so I think other factors might be involved.
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Does anyone know of a good distributor of clay in Europe, either on line or otherwise. Seams stupid (and expensive) to order French clay from the U.S. if you live in Europe, as I do.
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Does anyone know of a good distributor of clay in Europe, either on line or otherwise. Seams stupid (and expensive) to order French clay from the U.S. if you live in Europe, as I do.
Seriously afroza, why not find a spot outside the city and gather some, thereby eliminating all the middlemen. Clay is just dried mud. All the rest is salesmanship. That's all the guy that sells the stuff is doing.
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well I did add salt to the first mixture I made, perhaps that's why I got constipated.. it hasn't been very easy going since then though, even without having eaten anymore clay, so I think other factors might be involved.
Yeah never add salt or anything clay is very sensitive. You never know what'll happen.
What type of clay did you consume?
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Yeah never add salt or anything clay is very sensitive. You never know what'll happen.
What type of clay did you consume?
I got this kind, of the granulated one. since I have a marble mortar and pestle and can grind things to powder myself. http://www.frenchclayforall.com/index.html
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I got this kind, of the granulated one. since I have a marble mortar and pestle and can grind things to powder myself. http://www.frenchclayforall.com/index.html
Oh hmm I wonder if that French clay is a sodium clay. Tyler, how do we know if a clay is like a sodium clay or bad for you?
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Oh hmm I wonder if that French clay is a sodium clay. Tyler, how do we know if a clay is like a sodium clay or bad for you?
No idea, I just know that that French clay worked for me once re a detox, that's all.
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I couldn't help myself and I ate a lava cake at work (I work at domino's pizza) yesterday, then they made me take a lunch break and stay longer than I was scheduled for so I asked if I could make a salad. I usually don't eat vegetables, so this was the first time I ate any vegetables in a while.. I put only a little bit of lettuce, some shredded carrots, then from the pizza toppings I added cheddar, provolone, feta, olives, spinach, parmesan, green peppers, a tiny bit of onion, and uh.. I think that's it. Extra cheddar, because I love cheese.. all of those cheeses were pasteurized, though, first time I ate pasteurized dairy in a while too. Because of eating all this, when I got home I ate a small ball of dried clay, just a little bigger than the size of a marble.. it didn't give me a stomach ache, and I did get a stuffy nose afterwards, which is supposed to be a sign of detox isn't it? otherwise I haven't seen any differences.
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Ah must've been the salt or detox then. How did it go after another clay supplement?
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The marble sized clay did not have any salt added, it was just pure clay that had been mixed with fiji water, rolled into a ball, and then let dry. Other than those two times, I have not eaten the clay.
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Oh okay was wondering if you had any more horrible reactions.
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I'm only quoting AV's stuff vaguely from memory. Maybe the bentonite was fine, I just recall that edible french green clay was always recommended over others.
http://www.generationherbs.com/naturalremedies/product_info.php?products_id=91 (http://www.generationherbs.com/naturalremedies/product_info.php?products_id=91)
There are bottles of bentonite, sodium bentonite, from clay exposed to high heat. Often green clay has not been heated and is safe to use and helpful.