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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: invisible on December 12, 2009, 04:38:51 pm
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I ordered some of Dr Ron's freeze dried adrenal glands one of the reasons being for the vitamin C in adrenal glands. The packages say it is equivalent to entirely raw food, but I am wondering about water soluble vitamins like vitamin C and the effect that removing water from the food would have on them. Ideas?
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Dr Ron also sells 'buffered vitamin C'. What is that exactly? What's the source?
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I suspect that any vitamin C left, if any, in those dried adrenals will be more or less non-bioavailable.
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do you think the buffered vitamin C is ok?
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do you think the buffered vitamin C is ok?
Anything that Dr Ron provides is usually of the highest quality but it's still a supplement and shouldn't be relied on too much, anyway. In this case,though, the description sounds as though the product is highly processed.
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I think I might have to try it. I want to try getting more vitamin C and I can't get fresh adrenals and prefer to not eat fruit.
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one, maybe two limes a day works for me without adding too much sugar to my diet.
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Are you showing signs of Vitamin C deficiency?
I think I might have to try it. I want to try getting more vitamin C and I can't get fresh adrenals and prefer to not eat fruit.
You Limy you Van!
one, maybe two limes a day works for me without adding too much sugar to my diet.
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I think Dr Ron's buffered vitamin c it is not actually very processed, just it has ALA added with it hence buffered.
I don't really have any signs of vitamin c deficiency, but I practically get none. I don't have access to fresh raw grass fed organs (or frequent access) and since vitamin c is found in them, I would like to get some.
I won't eat limes or lemons. They rot teeth.
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A lot of ZCers don't eat raw organs and don't complain of vitamin C deficiencies. However, I do eat small amounts of raw organs and shellfish (in which the organs are consumed with everything else), so I can't address it from experience. Shellfish would be another option for you too.
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I tend to think the extra vit c from the limes helps with gums, but who knows? As far as rotting teeth, I swallow the small amount directly, and rinse immediately. Small chance. Basically it's more of an insurance method. Vit c deteriorates quickly, I imagine even in meats. Since I don't kill and eat right away, I figure it can't hurt.
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A lot of ZCers don't eat raw organs and don't complain of vitamin C deficiencies. However, I do eat small amounts of raw organs and shellfish (in which the organs are consumed with everything else), so I can't address it from experience. Shellfish would be another option for you too.
I don't think I have deficiencies but getting some more might help, I know it is said to help damaged skin which I have. Shellfish are an option but not a consistent reliable source I can have each day I think.
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I tend to think the extra vit c from the limes helps with gums, but who knows? As far as rotting teeth, I swallow the small amount directly, and rinse immediately. Small chance. Basically it's more of an insurance method. Vit c deteriorates quickly, I imagine even in meats. Since I don't kill and eat right away, I figure it can't hurt.
I don't think the vitamin C is the problem. The citric acid is. If it doesn't come into contact with your teeth, it comes into contact with your esophagus and intestines, and if it rots teeth, what will it do to them? Probably not much of a problem but still..
If you are eating a fruit for vitamin C I would eat one kiwifruit a day. Has more vitamin C than lemons I think and no citric acid.
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If you are eating a fruit for vitamin C I would eat one kiwifruit a day. Has more vitamin C than lemons I think and no citric acid.
The trade-off is it adds a lot more sugar than a lime. Pick your poison and how it sits in you.
I've got to admit though; I'd enjoy eating a daily kiwifruit much more than sucking on a lime for the C.
I wouldn't do it though when living in the US; the distance to ship the thing is way beyond a conscionable range IMO. I'd grow and eat some blueberries most of the year. :)
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The trade-off is it adds a lot more sugar than a lime. Pick your poison and how it sits in you.
I've got to admit though; I'd enjoy eating a daily kiwifruit much more than sucking on a lime for the C.
I wouldn't do it though when living in the US; the distance to ship the thing is way beyond a conscionable range IMO. I'd grow and eat some blueberries most of the year. :)
according to nurtiondata.com 30 calories of lime has 29.1g vitamin c, while 30 calories of kiwifruit has 36.9g vitamin c. All the calories for both lime and kiwifruit is sugars, so it seems kiwifruit can actually provide more vitamin c with less sugar
Good point about the shipping though. I don't like to eat berries. I really don't like eating any fruit with skins (the skins would be pretty impossible to remove on berries).
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I don't think I have deficiencies but getting some more might help, I know it is said to help damaged skin which I have. Shellfish are an option but not a consistent reliable source I can have each day I think.
So you want to eat vitamin C every day? What is the skin issue?
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So you want to eat vitamin C every day? What is the skin issue?
Yeah?
And I have sun damaged skin and acne scars
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There's no guarantee it will help, but I'll share what I learned from my own experience and research in dealing with my past acne and acne scarring issue.
Much of my acne cleared up and some of my acne scarring and enlarged pores partly healed when I eliminated gluten and dairy from my diet and adopted a conventional Paleo diet. I found that zinc supplements got rid of the remaining acne. Then when I added more fruits, squashes and nightshades back into my diet, my acne increasingly returned and I had to take a larger dose of zinc on a daily basis to keep it at bay.
I continued to search for a way to prevent the acne without having to take supplements. When I went raw carnivore the acne essentially disappeared and the scarring and pores healed further, although I still have one mild depressed acne scar in my most scarred area, but it is not noticeable to most people. I used to think that acne scars could not heal through dietary change, but I learned that at least mild scarring can.
For me, the key nutritional factors seemed to be zinc and fatty acids from red meats and animal and fish fats. Vitamin A is also considered an important skin nutrient, and prescription derivatives from it (retin-A and isotretinoin) were my most effective pharmaceutical treatments (but still not nearly as effective as dietary change), so vitamin A was probably another factor in my dietary healing.
Here are some references linking zinc to acne and skin healing:
"[Z]inc is closely involved in protein synthesis and in collagen formation in your body, both of which are essential in the maintenance of healthy skin and in normalizing production of skin oils." (Use of Zinc for Acne, http://www.nutritional-supplements-health-guide.com/zinc-for-acne.html)
"Zinc is also a crucial element in the production of collagen, elastin, new placement cells and tissue substances. These all make up the repair process in acne infected sites." ("Does zinc heal acne?" December 10, 2006 http://curingacne.blogspot.com/2006/12/does-zinc-heal-acne.html)
James F. Balch, M.D. and Phyllis A. Balch, C.N.C. in Prescription for Nutritional Healing list "Zinc gluconate 30-80 mg daily to aid in the healing of tissue and to prevent scarring."
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I tried accutane in the past, though it failed (in hindsight it's fortunate that it did or I probably would have never found this way of eating). I did clear acne with this diet and the scars are incredibly better since starting. I eat plenty of red meat and Dr Ron's liver capsules so I am getting plenty of zinc and vitamin A which has clearly been extremely beneficial. I still have sun damage though rough skin, freckle spots which improved but perhaps vitamin C might speed up skin healing along with the other vitamins I now am getting. Damage might be too deep and needs lasers or something. I know that vitamin C is used in skin ointments and said to make you less prone to sunburn. Whether its true or not I am not sure but interesting to test.
Sometimes my gums bleed when I am stressed. The adrenals contain vitamin C and excrete vitamin C as part of the stress response. This is why I was looking to get some adrenals for the vitamin C + heal the adrenals from any burnout they probably have. Hard to get fresh grass fed organs in any substantial quantity though, so can only use the dried supplements for the moment.
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...perhaps vitamin C might speed up skin healing along with the other vitamins I now am getting. Damage might be too deep and needs lasers or something. I know that vitamin C is used in skin ointments and said to make you less prone to sunburn. Whether its true or not I am not sure but interesting to test.
I would be surprised if it accelerates the healing much beyond what you're already experiencing, but there are some reports indicating that it helps, so let us know if you try it and it works for you.
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why we can't choose to eat dried rose hips, which are loaded on vit C. well, i order some fresh thyroid glands and i'm getting them on Thursday.
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why we can't choose to eat dried rose hips, which are loaded on vit C. well, i order some fresh thyroid glands and i'm getting them on Thursday.
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Do thyroids have much C? Did you need a prescription? I heard they're pretty powerful. Enjoy them. Will you freeze them? I want to hear more.
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Do thyroids have much C? Did you need a prescription? I heard they're pretty powerful. Enjoy them. Will you freeze them? I want to hear more.
dear rawzi, this is the 1st time i'm getting them. my mom is coming this Friday, so, i can feed her that. i really don't know about vit C in thyroid glands, but i'm not into strict ZC diet, so i can get my vit C plenty in other ways. past experience taught me that extreme of anything is bad. i'm looking forward to meet you in this Saturday. thanks.
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don't know about vit C in thyroid glands, but i'm not into strict ZC diet, so i can get my vit C plenty in other ways. past experience taught me that extreme of anything
I read to take thyroid together with liver, pituitary, adrenal, thymus and fat, otherwise you can get heart racing that might be very dangerous. I don't know; because I haven't tried it. Good luck. Do you have any idea how big the thyroid is? I haven't even seen it. I have read it's dangerous to eat it cooked in uncontrolled dose.
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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Akutaq or agutak (???? ? ? ? ? ), also known as Eskimo ice cream, is a common food in western Alaska, consisting of whipped fat mixed with berries. The word comes from Yupik and means "something mixed".[1]
There are many variations of Akutaq, but most are based around mixing berries, meat, leaves, or roots with animal oil or fat. Cranberries, salmonberries, crowberries, cloudberries, and blueberries are common fruits. Salmon and caribou are common meats. Reindeer tallow, moose tallow, walrus tallow, caribou tallow, or seal oil can be used. ... Occasionally, extra water is needed as well.
"Mouse akutak" is made from roots found in mouse holes. Only a portion of the mouse's stored roots is taken, and some people replace the roots with something else the mouse can eat.
[edit]See also
Pemmican
I imagine this desert has Vitamin C. Anyone here Native Alaskan and have real experience making this? Is acutaq made with dried meat? I've mixed fish, berries and raw fat to kind of replicate this. It was good how I made it, but not special enough to make an effort to make it often. My berries and everything else were not hand foraged by me etc. I bet that difference would make a real improvement.
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raw, how are you doing?
For anyone who's interested, here's a link that has pictures of making akutaq:
http://fwmail.teenee.com/strange/20363.html (http://fwmail.teenee.com/strange/20363.html)
I can't read Thai, so I don't know if they're using Crisco shortening instead of animal fat.
Ok, this is the title translated into English: ... With a delicious ice cream, fat seal together.
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Contains fat from the church list polar (seal) of Discovery Bay and salt and bring to spawn frozen
Must be seal oil, it's the traditional way. I doubt they add salt. Probably mean the seal is from saltwater.
Here's more depth on subsistence akutaq I just found:
Otherwise, the roe was partially dried, stored in wooden barrels to age slightly and then eaten in winter, or used in mak'aaq, a type of akutaq. Served primarily as a dessert, akutaq means "a mixture," usually of berries and fat substances, such as vegetable shortening, reindeer tallow, burbot liver, aged roe, or cooked fish flesh, thinning agents, such as seal oil, vegetable oil, water and milk, and in most cases, sugar
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I guess it might turn out to be a modern invention, unless it is reindeer or walrus milk and they using vegetable oil too now for convenience, and I'm sure they didn't used to have sugar. Sorry.