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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Off Topic => Topic started by: goodsamaritan on November 15, 2010, 04:36:21 pm
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We are getting a dog.
Japanese spitz.
Puppy.
How to adjust him to a raw food diet for dogs?
raw meat, veggies (raw?)
What do you feed your dogs?
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Parents don't want me to but you can pretty much feed them hunks of raw meat and raw organs and they will be good to go. You can throw in some veggies if they will eat it to. My dogs absolutely love marrow as well.
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I dont know much about that breed. As a rule of thumb, as long as what you give him is grain free he will be good. But since its a puppy there may be some special requirements. I would consult someone who know what they are talking about who isnt from teh internetz.
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I've recently started feeding my dog raw lamb, raw suet marrow, etc.. I also give him a little bit of fermented milk every day. So far it has reversed his chronic ear inflammation.
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There seems to be concensus among mainstream websites that dogs are lactose-intolerant, especially after weaning. Perhaps fermenting the milk makes it easier for the dog to digest, though.
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I would feed him the BARF diet, MEAT & VEGGIES....
here's a little from their site about puppies
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-The bulk of a puppy's diet should consist of raw meaty bones
-All or most of the rest of their food should also be raw
-Puppies should always be kept a little hungry
-They should never grow at their maximum growth rate
-They should be kept slim, lean and hard. Not roly poly, fat, young puppies
-Puppies should learn to eat everything
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When I get a puppy I'll give it red meat, bones, some fat, and all kinds of vegetables, I'll feed it it almost everything in the meat and vegetable world :)
Healthy dogs will eat anything though, they have a voracious appetite and will literally inhale food.
You shouldn't have to adjust him, he'll eat anything without issue :P
Watch your dogs body shape, they should be thin yet have muscle tone.
The best way to know how your animal is doing is to keep a close eye on him and examine him often just as a Vet. would.
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I haven't heard about giving fermented dairy to a dog...The thing is some dogs can digest anything, if they can eat shit and be fine they can eat rotten milk too.
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Spitz is so cute and fluffy!!! Please show pics when you get it.
One question I am wondering, isn't it hot where you live? Because you're buying a very furry dog! lol
But then again I heard the big fur protects them from the heat and sun too.... -\
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I'm meeting the seller of the pup in 15 hours.
Will post a picture then.
The reason we are getting a japanese spitz is because we had such a good experience with one a few years ago, but she eloped with another dog in the neighborhood and never returned, we never found her. She was such a good guard dog and very well behaved and tidy, hides her poop in the garden.
We fondly remember that very good dog and we want the same breed expecting the same hassle free utility of such a great guard / bark dog.
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There seems to be concensus among mainstream websites that dogs are lactose-intolerant, especially after weaning. Perhaps fermenting the milk makes it easier for the dog to digest, though.
Yup, I know. I'm doing it to begin with due to the fact that he's been on a carb diet his whole life. Also as a slight experiment. I don't intend to feed him milk long term.
Anywho, funnily enough he chooses milk over meat any day. But according to your philosophy that is because he's allergic and addicted, right? ;>
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My dog on my land property doesn't like any veggies or fruits. She only eats animal products, prefferably in a raw state.
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I forgot to mention, even if I would feed my dog various veggies I would add them in MUCH smaller amounts then the meat! It is true that dogs prefer meat much more, but some seem to love grated carrot etc
Maybe its a good idea to give your dog 2 separate plates, one with meat and the other with a smaller amount of grated veggies, and see how much of the veggies it wants to eat, maybe it won't want any but its good to give the dog some choice once in a while. What if your dog breed doesn't want to go ZC, lol :P Perhaps because dogs are bred by us for so long they have become as varied in their dietary needs as people.
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We are getting a dog.
Japanese spitz.
Puppy.
How to adjust him to a raw food diet for dogs?
raw meat, veggies (raw?)
What do you feed your dogs?
I would guess meat, marrow and high meat and water and make sure he can get some grass.
I only had dogs while vegetarian. They couldn't handle whole milk. They liked spinach, oranges, tomatoes, cucumbers, watermelon and cantelope. Egg is also good and they liked carrot, nonfat milk, whole fresh goat kefir, parsley and freshly cooked lightly rolled oats.
They like mango, coconut and lots of things. They're omnivore. Your dog is lucky you eat raw meat. They love raw steaks. I had one dog that liked to make high country fresh chicken, by catching burying eating later.
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I'm certainly no expert but my friend's dog will not let anyone near her bones. Sweetest dog in the world till you approach them bones. Then she starts to growl.
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We are getting a dog.
Japanese spitz.
Puppy.
How to adjust him to a raw food diet for dogs?
raw meat, veggies (raw?)
What do you feed your dogs?
Is that a small dog? I guess the best meal would be a whole rabbit. With organs and all. 1-2 meals a day would be best too.
No veggies are needed, dogs eat grass and other things on their own as long as you let thme outside. You could get him some pet grass.
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No veggies are needed, dogs eat grass and other things on their own as long as you let thme outside. You could get him some pet grass.
The sign of dog's eating grass, when that dog is not healthy.
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I had an American Eskimo Spitz when I was younger. One of the best dogs we ever had. While he did seem to lack common sense sometimes I was very bright and very loyal. I'd get another in a heartbeat but I'm allergic to the fur.
My wife and I have been talking the past couple days about getting a puppy. I've been wondering the same thing; how to acclimate it to a RAF diet. I think yuli is right though in that a healthy dog will be content to eat good food. Plenty of raw meat and marrow bones with the marrow still in it. Offer up some fruits and veggies that you're having (not not from the table, only in it's dish). Plenty of organs too. I like the idea of sharing some deer brain with a little pup. :)
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We got the dog... we named him Snowy!
First meal with me was raw horse heart and fat.
Gallery of pictures:
http://www.myhealthblog.org/2010/11/16/raw-meat-diet-for-new-japanese-spitz-puppy/
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We got the dog... we named him Snowy!
First meal with me was raw horse heart and fat.
Gallery of pictures:
http://www.myhealthblog.org/2010/11/16/raw-meat-diet-for-new-japanese-spitz-puppy/
You're a lucky man GS
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We got the dog... we named him Snowy!...
AWWW CUTENESS!!! With all this nice horse meat and fat he will definitely be a happy dog!
But are you sure he's a purebred Japanese Spitz? -\
The reason I say this is because his ears are floppy, his paw pads are pink and his nose is brown.
Japanese Spitz have black paw pads, a black nose and little triangle ears that stand up.
Like these puppies, check out the ears paw pads and nose colors:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Japanese_Spitz_Puppies.JPG
The sign of dog's eating grass, when that dog is not healthy.
It is true when a dog has a digestion problem he will eat lots of grass to make himself vomit...but some healthy dogs will eat it just cause they like it and not to vomit, so it may be a sign but not necessarily.
...I've been wondering the same thing; how to acclimate it to a RAF diet...
Simple....
Step 1: place RAF into a bowl on the floor
Step 2: place hungry dog in front of bowl
Seriously though, most dogs will eat a bowl of shit if thats what you serve them, they will eat your garbage if they can. Unlike with cats who are way more finicky about their foods. ;D
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The sign of dog's eating grass, when that dog is not healthy.
Yeah, I was going to mention that. They sometimes eat plants to make themselves throw up. My sisters dog did that before.
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Man, this puppy is small and frail.
Should've gotten one more mature.
All he does is whine and sleep.
I don't think he's strong yet.
Is he pure? I don't know.
As long as when he grows up he barks and guards our house, then he'll be worth it.
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Man, this puppy is small and frail.
Should've gotten one more mature.
All he does is whine and sleep.
I don't think he's strong yet.
Is he pure? I don't know.
As long as when he grows up he barks and guards our house, then he'll be worth it.
How old is your puppy? Once he gets used to being on his own he will stop whining. His own sleeping crate/cage is almost a must have to teach him this. He was probably used to being with his litter-mates and momma, so it will take him time to adjust ;)
The pureness of the breed only matters is when you want a specific trait of the breed. Otherwise mixed breeds are usually healthy dogs, except you can't predict how they will be when they grow up.
Did you get to meet the puppy's parents? That would give you a good indication of what this one will turn out like. If you haven't yet then I'd ask the breeder about the parents.
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Was he taken off of his mother's milk too early?
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the puppy looks aaight he is very cute though ;D
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Was he taken off of his mother's milk too early?
Seems like it.
I took him to the vet for hydration and support.
He's staying there until he recovers.
After that one meal, he has since refused to eat and drink.
He's dehydrated.
And after the first meal with me, he pooped liquidy stool, I count 3 liquidy stools the first afternoon I got him.
Vet said that's not normal, he must have been sick the day I got him.
And he says the pup looks too young, not weaned enough.
The seller said the pup was born September 3, seems that's not true the vet said.
Vet said the anus has blood when he put the thermometer in.
And no worms in the microscope.
His temp is too low 36 degrees celsius only
And he's dehydrated.
And has poor blood circulation.
Ah well, you learn some.
Hope the dog survives.
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Oh my goodness that's horrible.. Who did you get it from?
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Oh my goodness that's horrible.. Who did you get it from?
Some teenage girl selling online. We just met up at the mall.
I'll be a better dog shopper next time.
It's a learning experience.
Like the first time I had a child.
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Irresponsible breeders >:
She sold you the puppy too young and it looks like its spitz mixed with some other breeds. This happens so often.
Its better to get from a well known and responsible breeder, you will pay up the ass for your dog, but there is a good reason.
You are pretty much guaranteed properly developed puppy, you will meet his parents or at least the mother, and they even check for the right character (ie, not aggressive or shy) and if anything is wrong with the dog or it has a genetic disease a good breeder will have no issue taking the dog back. Thats what you pay for. You will have the dog as part of your family so its a big purchase anyway.
Before you buy from the breeder you must go and visit them and take a look at the condition the dogs are raised in. They should be well socialized from birth, preferably the breeder has kids that also spend time with the dogs and puppies.
Its like finding a good source of RAF, you need to be a detective, :P
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He's staying there until he recovers... he has since refused to eat and drink.
He's dehydrated... he pooped liquidy stool, I count 3 liquidy stools the first afternoon I got him... he must have been sick the day I got him.
And he says the pup looks too young, not weaned enough.
The seller said the pup was born September 3, seems that's not true the vet said.
Vet said the anus has blood when he put the thermometer in...His temp is too low 36 degrees celsius only...And has poor blood circulation...Hope the dog survives.
I hope he's ok. Sending good thoughts and prayers.
Did you ask the girl what he had been eating up till the time you got him? If not, could you ask her now?
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I hope he's ok. Sending good thoughts and prayers.
Did you ask the girl what he had been eating up till the time you got him? If not, could you ask her now?
Dog food, "beef pro".
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Dog food, "beef pro".
Is that dry or canned (I'm just curious)? Or do you know? I've never had a dog that could tolerate dry dog-food, without major stomach upset. I don't know why. Cat's I know, being obligate carnivores can't eat dry too long, and carnivores are not supposed to be crunching things like that, biscuit-like. I think some dog breeds are not supposed to eat plant based foods. Animals with white fur may be a partial albino. I think albinos, even partial, should be more careful about what they eat than the average Joe.
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I don't even know what beef pro is.
Maybe his tummy was upset by the horse meat and horse fat?
Maybe he is just too young?
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I don't even know what beef pro is.
This: http://www.caminadepet.com/breeders-pack-beef-pro-performance-227-kg
Thats the adult kibble there is a puppy kibble too.
Kibble is not good for dogs but rarely do puppies get that much problems from it (I mean the good quality kibbles), its as the dog grows that constantly feeding kibble will cause problems. However they do get problems when taken from mother too early.
Yes, its likely he is either too young or he could have been the runt of the litter.
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That's what the vet said... RUNT of the litter or too young.
Hope he survives, the kids and I will visit him in a while.
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Vet Called.
Dog Died.
Hook Worm Infestation.
Lots of Big Worms.
Lots of Eggs.
Since I only got the dog for 2 days, the VET assumes the dog was worm infested before it got to me.
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What would be a paleo good-bye for a puppy?
Maybe it's good he wasn't around so long with all those big worms and eggs. He could have been suffering more than we know. Wow, sorry he's gone. It can be hard, maybe for your kids too, I found a puppy with parvo berfore. The puppies may last only so long, no matter how good care you take.
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Wow he died of a worm infestation.
How do paleo eaters avoid that to happen to them, besides sourcing clean foods?
When I first got my dogs, and I fed them raw chicken backs and thighs, they had loose stools too.
Overall, as far as meat is concerned, I would only feed the dogs raw meats that I eat/could eat raw without getting sick.
I think commercial pet food is very unhealthy, and should be avoided if possible.
Veggies are good for them, like carrots and celery, and spinach. Some dogs are picky so you have to see what they like too.
Overall, various raw meats/organs + bones, veggies, some occasional fruits, maybe some root veggies/tubers(potatoes)
, also I give them some nuts sometimes
Bones: Avoid beef/lamb bones. Chicken bones are good, and Turkey necks are good, but (turkey) Backs might be too tough. Pork necks good too. The hard bones from beef/lamb/turkey backs/(pork backs???) can break their teeth. You can tell which bones are good, if you hear a "crunch" it's good, if you hear a "cluck" it's probably too hard of a bone.
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>>>> I guess the best meal would be a whole rabbit. With organs and all. 1-2 meals a day would be best too.
rabbits are nocturnal feeders.
dogs did not descend from nocturnal hunters (eg: cats, owls) they descended from wolves....daytime pack hunters.
their ideal prey is a large ruminant. A wild rabbit really doesn't have much meat on him. And wolf-pack techniques don't work best against non-herd animals.
but they would certainly gobble down a rabbit if hungry enough.
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>>>> I guess the best meal would be a whole rabbit. With organs and all. 1-2 meals a day would be best too.
rabbits are nocturnal feeders.
dogs did not descend from nocturnal hunters (eg: cats, owls) they descended from wolves....daytime pack hunters.
their ideal prey is a large ruminant. A wild rabbit really doesn't have much meat on him. And wolf-pack techniques don't work best against non-herd animals.
but they would certainly gobble down a rabbit if hungry enough.
Rabbits are crepuscular (forage at dusk & dawn). While dogs would not typically be hunting at this time it's more likely they would catch a rabbit at that time than a truly nocturnal animal.
FWIW I've had a number of dogs who enjoyed rousting a group of rabbits from their burrow in the middle of the day and killing one or two. Just because they choose to forage at a specific time doesn't mean another animal won't throw a proverbial monkey wrench in the mix.
I do agree that a rabbit is a poor choice for a dog as prey. They don't have enough fat on them. A small cat could make a good meal out of one or two though.