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Other Raw-Animal-Food Diets (eg:- Primal Diet/Raw Version of Weston-Price Diet etc.) => Primal Diet => Topic started by: Kaaris on March 06, 2019, 02:42:42 am
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Hi guys. I’ve been following a raw primal diet for over a month now, and I must say that I feel much better when compared to the period in which I used to follow a cooked paleo/primal diet. I only eat organ meats, muscle meat, raw eggs, raw dairy, seafood etc. Water intake has drastically been reduced, as I naturally don’t feel the need to drink water. i would say I drink about 250 ml a day, if not less. Similarly, salt intake has dwindled as well to the point that I don’t consume any salt.
I have absolutely no issues, except for constipation. Initially I was looking for a culprit, so I assumed dairy must be the one to blame. But as I’ve stated before, I don’t experience any other issues aside from constipation, so I don’t necessarily think dairy is the problem. I’ve grown taller, I have a clear skin, and I have no mental fog or mucus. No sinusitis, gas or anything.
I thought perhaps because salt intake must be relatively high to produce HCL and other enzymes to break down protein that I must include more sodium in my diet. It turns out that doesn’t happen to be case, as my experiment with 4g of salt hasn’t made much of difference in my bowel movements, and as a result I ended up retaining some water.
Next, I began to drink more water, 2 liters or more. Didn’t seem to work that much, but then again I am not very inclined to drink as much water as in the past, so I haven’t carried on with that practice for that long to notice any results in the long term.
I thought of eating kimchi, as I have learned that these types of fermented foods aid in digestion. Even though I know plant foods are wreak havoc, given the circumstances I am reconsidering giving it a try. As far as other fermented foods, Raw kefir didn’t quite work, but I only drank a quart of it.
I would like your opinion and I would appreciate any input. This is the only thing that I want to solve, as I’ve only had fantastic experiences with the diet. Thank you
Edit: there’s blood in my stool
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Blood in the stool sounds bad. I had that a lot pre-RPD diet. Why not try to consume more raw plant food in your diet. Also, another point is that raw ketogenic types reported hardly ever having stools - this was not constipation, just a matter of the body digesting 99% of the raw animal food. Not sure re this, but I also noticed a total lack of no2s/stools when I didseveral days of only eating only high-meat.
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AV had little to say regarding constipation except that it can take many years to solve this problem, sometimes decades.
He had many suggestions in his books, I don't know if you've read them.
He also said parasites can be very helpful here.
Personally I just eat more bland fruits for fiber, even though AV didn't recommend that.
One thing you might be lacking is vegetable juice. Even though the juicing process gets rid of a lot of the fiber, it doesn't get rid of all. And AV did blend in a little whole cucumber (or zuccini?) with his juice for extra fiber.
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Blood in the stool sounds bad. I had that a lot pre-RPD diet. Why not try to consume more raw plant food in your diet. Also, another point is that raw ketogenic types reported hardly ever having stools - this was not constipation, just a matter of the body digesting 99% of the raw animal food. Not sure re this, but I also noticed a total lack of no2s/stools when I didseveral days of only eating only high-meat.
Interesting. I definitely noticed the lack of bowel movement, but in the beginning I was having at least once every day, or rarely every other day. I do believe in the idea that the body must be digesting foods more efficiently, thus contributing to the almost complete absorption of the nutrients. I have yet to try high meat but I’ve been tempted to do it. I never thought abou consuming plant foods, as they have the anti-nutrients and we can’t digest the fiber anyway. That’s the only reason why I consider kimchi, as the vegetables are already fermented for us. I’ll buy some in the market right now and see what happens. But I’d much rather keep looking for solutions in the animal kingdom.
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AV had little to say regarding constipation except that it can take many years to solve this problem, sometimes decades.
He had many suggestions in his books, I don't know if you've read them.
He also said parasites can be very helpful here.
Personally I just eat more bland fruits for fiber, even though AV didn't recommend that.
One thing you might be lacking is vegetable juice. Even though the juicing process gets rid of a lot of the fiber, it doesn't get rid of all. And AV did blend in a little whole cucumber (or zuccini?) with his juice for extra fiber.
Are you recommending vegetable juices with little to no fiber, and more watery, such as the case of cucumber? Or literally any vegetable?
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Interesting. I definitely noticed the lack of bowel movement, but in the beginning I was having at least once every day, or rarely every other day. I do believe in the idea that the body must be digesting foods more efficiently, thus contributing to the almost complete absorption of the nutrients. I have yet to try high meat but I’ve been tempted to do it. I never thought about consuming plant foods, as they have the anti-nutrients and we can’t digest the fiber anyway. That’s the only reason why I consider kimchi, as the vegetables are already fermented for us. I’ll buy some in the market right now and see what happens. But I’d much rather keep looking for solutions in the animal kingdom.
Do NOT try raw veggie juices. They are the 2nd-worst problem that RVAFers experience(raw dairy is the worst). I once tried raw veggie juice and got green diarrhea c.30 minutes after drinking the stuff. The general idea is that juicing not only breaks down the cell-walls to release many more nutrients, but also similiarly releases more of the antinutrients as well. If you do try them, then mind the usual caution of never drinking more than 1 pint of raw veggie juice.
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Are you recommending vegetable juices with little to no fiber, and more watery, such as the case of cucumber? Or literally any vegetable?
What do you mean, little to no fiber? You mean little to no cellulose? Then yes. There's plenty of fiber in any plant foods, including cucumber.
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Do NOT try raw veggie juices. They are the 2nd-worst problem that RVAFers experience(raw dairy is the worst). I once tried raw veggie juice and got green diarrhea c.30 minutes after drinking the stuff. The general idea is that juicing not only breaks down the cell-walls to release many more nutrients, but also similiarly releases more of the antinutrients as well. If you do try them, then mind the usual caution of never drinking more than 1 pint of raw veggie juice.
Those antinutrients would be released when eating the vegetables normally as well. Plenty of people have the natural instinct to chew vegetables, drink the juice and discard the pulp. Using a juicer just speeds up the process and makes it easier if you have bad teeth. Also, not all juicing methods break up cell walls or introduce oxygen equally.
Finally, AV recommended no more than 3/4ths of a pint per sitting as the absolute maximum.
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Do NOT try raw veggie juices. They are the 2nd-worst problem that RVAFers experience(raw dairy is the worst). I once tried raw veggie juice and got green diarrhea c.30 minutes after drinking the stuff. The general idea is that juicing not only breaks down the cell-walls to release many more nutrients, but also similiarly releases more of the antinutrients as well. If you do try them, then mind the usual caution of never drinking more than 1 pint of raw veggie juice.
Alright. I used to manage a cold pressed juicery, and in hindsight now I know why some of my clients would report that they would get diarrhea from the straight veggie juices. I don’t intend to drink raw green juices anyway.
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Those antinutrients would be released when eating the vegetables normally as well. Plenty of people have the natural instinct to chew vegetables, drink the juice and discard the pulp. Using a juicer just speeds up the process and makes it easier if you have bad teeth. Also, not all juicing methods break up cell walls or introduce oxygen equally.
Finally, AV recommended no more than 3/4ths of a pint per sitting as the absolute maximum.
I’m in college, and although one of my housemates has a juicer, I honestly don’t feel like making any juices. It would be a cumbersome process as well to try and extract the pulp in order to drink the rest. Also, the market on campus doesn’t have that many vegetables or fruits for that matter.
I would like to ask you, do you think completely fasting for the day would be a good idea in situations like this? So as to give the body a way to properly process every bit of food without the constant ingestion of more food throughout the day? I thought of perhaps consuming only liquids, such as milk and eggs, and postponing the consumption of meat and other solid foods. Either that or just carry on with my regular routine?
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Alright. I used to manage a cold pressed juicery, and in hindsight now I know why some of my clients would report that they would get diarrhea from the straight veggie juices. I don’t intend to drink raw green juices anyway.
Most people mix their juices wrong. They put too much sweet root/bulb vegetables like carrots, beets, or they put sweet fruits in there, or too many dark strong leafy greens like kale that should only be used minimally if at all.
AV suggested some raw veggie juices for detoxification for everybody except ex-vegetarians/vegans or very long-term raw animal based dieters with optimal health, living in pristine environments and with few accumulated toxins in their bodies.
The way to properly mix a veggie juice is to make most of it out of mild tasting vegetables and bland fruits, such as celery and cucumber (peeled, always). I also like swiss chard, it's a lot like celery because of the thick juicy stems.
I would like to ask you, do you think completely fasting for the day would be a good idea in situations like this? So as to give the body a way to properly process every bit of food without the constant ingestion of more food throughout the day? I thought of perhaps consuming only liquids, such as milk and eggs, and postponing the consumption of meat and other solid foods. Either that or just carry on with my regular routine?
No, I don't think fasting is a good idea and AV thought it was a terrible idea. To quote him, "every time you spend more than 4hs without eating, your cells start cannibalizing each other". He even suggested sleeping with small pieces of ground meat or organs next to your bed so you can wake up in the middle of the night, have your snack and continue sleeping. I'm not nearly this extreme about it, but that's what he thought. And he's someone that experimented heavily with long term fasting.
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AV was often wrong and not in tune with the real experiences of most RVAFers. In the case of raw veggie juice, DPL is, of course, wrong. Juicing breaks down the cell-walls , thus making not only the nutrients but also the antinutrients in raw vegetables far more bioavailable. Incidentally, I got diarrhea, too, after consuming raw veggie-juice.
Fasting is an excellent idea, imo. Intermittent Fasting has a lot of scientific studies showing its benefits, in terms of extra longevity etc. You see, when not constantly digesting, the body finally has an opportunity to detox. This is especially important if one is eating a cooked-food diet, as the body gets an unusual extra opportunity to get rid of the toxins it has absorbed from cooked foods over the years. Also, bear in mind that wild animals routinely go in for fasting, as part of their lives. Basically, autophagy during fasting allows the body to get rid of cancerous cells, toxins et al. So, eating all the time, however raw or palaeo, is not going to help at all.
As regards AV or any other guru, I should point out to you that no human can possibly be perfect and so no one man's advice can ever be 100% correct for anybody, let alone everyone. This is even more important when one considers that everybody is different genetically with different allergies/immunities, different metabolisms etc. etc. Another piece of advice is to be especially wary of any RVAF diet guru who is asking for cash. Once they are cash-oriented, there is always some profit-related motive as to why they do not promote a genuinely healthy approach to a client, and instead encourage constant overeating or buying food from selected, corrupt businesses etc.. I'm thinking of AV, Sally Fallon and many others, over the years.After all, if a client gets healthy, they don't need to pay the guru any more....
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AV was often wrong and not in tune with the real experiences of most RVAFers. In the case of raw veggie juice, DPL is, of course, wrong. Juicing breaks down the cell-walls , thus making not only the nutrients but also the antinutrients in raw vegetables far more bioavailable. Incidentally, I got diarrhea, too, after consuming raw veggie-juice.
Fasting is an excellent idea, imo. Intermittent Fasting has a lot of scientific studies showing its benefits, in terms of extra longevity etc. You see, when not constantly digesting, the body finally has an opportunity to detox. This is especially important if one is eating a cooked-food diet, as the body gets an unusual extra opportunity to get rid of the toxins it has absorbed from cooked foods over the years. Also, bear in mind that wild animals routinely go in for fasting, as part of their lives. Basically, autophagy during fasting allows the body to get rid of cancerous cells, toxins et al. So, eating all the time, however raw or palaeo, is not going to help at all.
As regards AV or any other guru, I should point out to you that no human can possibly be perfect and so no one man's advice can ever be 100% correct for anybody, let alone everyone. This is even more important when one considers that everybody is different genetically with different allergies/immunities, different metabolisms etc. etc. Another piece of advice is to be especially wary of any RVAF diet guru who is asking for cash. Once they are cash-oriented, there is always some profit-related motive as to why they do not promote a genuinely healthy approach to a client, and instead encourage constant overeating or buying food from selected, corrupt businesses etc.. I'm thinking of AV, Sally Fallon and many others, over the years.After all, if a client gets healthy, they don't need to pay the guru any more....
Do NOT try raw veggie juices. They are the 2nd-worst problem that RVAFers experience(raw dairy is the worst). I once tried raw veggie juice and got green diarrhea c.30 minutes after drinking the stuff. The general idea is that juicing not only breaks down the cell-walls to release many more nutrients, but also similiarly releases more of the antinutrients as well. If you do try them, then mind the usual caution of never drinking more than 1 pint of raw veggie juice.
Alright, I’ll keep that in mind. I appreciate your input.
You mentioned that raw dairy is the 2nd worst problem people experience. Could you detail what exactly is happening that makes it debilitating for them to continue to consume milk — to the point where they abandon dairy, or milk for that matter?
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Alright, I’ll keep that in mind. I appreciate your input.
You mentioned that raw dairy is the 2nd worst problem people experience. Could you detail what exactly is happening that makes it debilitating for them to continue to consume milk — to the point where they abandon dairy, or milk for that matter?
Raw dairy can cause multiple problems:- hormonal issues, calcium-related issues etc. But the main problem is allergy/food-intolerance to raw dairy. The way I see it, many people on cooked diets have so many toxins that their bodies are overwhelmed and cannot deal with other issues well. As soon as they switch to a RVAF diet, their bodies can finally deal with the other issues such as raw dairy. Food-intolerance/allergy can be hidden on a cooked diet. For example, many schizophrenic patients have had their symptoms reduce or disappear after avoiding consumption of grains and dairy, without even converting to raw foods. At any rate, in the heydays of AV/Primal Diet, there would be endless examples of people who would report getting negative symptoms soon after consuming raw dairy, which they would, via AV's advice, wrongly label as detox. Basically, detox does exist BUT if one always gets negative symptoms soon after consuming a certain food but not from others, then it cannot be detox but is a sign of something else, usually allergy,
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Raw dairy can cause multiple problems:- hormonal issues, calcium-related issues etc. But the main problem is allergy/food-intolerance to raw dairy. The way I see it, many people on cooked diets have so many toxins that their bodies are overwhelmed and cannot deal with other issues well. As soon as they switch to a RVAF diet, their bodies can finally deal with the other issues such as raw dairy. Food-intolerance/allergy can be hidden on a cooked diet. For example, many schizophrenic patients have had their symptoms reduce or disappear after avoiding consumption of grains and dairy, without even converting to raw foods. At any rate, in the heydays of AV/Primal Diet, there would be endless examples of people who would report getting negative symptoms soon after consuming raw dairy, which they would, via AV's advice, wrongly label as detox. Basically, detox does exist BUT if one always gets negative symptoms soon after consuming a certain food but not from others, then it cannot be detox but is a sign of something else, usually allergy,
Interesting. Would the appearance of rashes or itching be considered an allergic response to dairy? Obviously there’s a confounding factor of reduced water intake, but considering that somewhat frequent itching and dry dermis (knuckles, torso, crease of hips, legs, arms) is abnormal, could that be related to milk consumption? I’ve always brushed it off because it wasn’t that bad, but I wonder why it happened. I actually increased dairy consumption but the condition didn’t happen to get any worse. In fact, I’ve actually forgotten all about it, which is strange. In the beginning, however, consuming just one serving of milk was enough to cause an onset of itching here and there. Coincidentally, it was around that time when I began to drink much less water, so I couldn’t put my finger on it.
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Interesting. Would the appearance of rashes or itching be considered an allergic response to dairy?
Yes, indeed, but there are, unfortunately, a myriad different possible symptoms. The trouble with allergies is that the symptoms can be fast-acting or very slow-acting with very small symptoms gradually increasing in severity over many years. Lucky people get fast-acting symptoms shortly after consuming the foods they are allergic to. Unfortunate people like me can get very, very slow-acting symptoms which can take weeks/months/years to appear. Anyway, I, among other conditions, built up constant inflammation of the skin due to (raw or pasteurised dairy consumption), getting "prickly heat", rashes, itching, small pains(so that I could not sleep on my left side for years). All one can do, I'm afraid, is to do long-term experiments to see what works. I would recommend ditching the dairy for 6 months to see if that works for you. Basically, raw dairy is not an essential food and I have seen a number of studies which suggest that dairy reduces ones' lifespan over time, among other things, so that even those who do well on raw dairy in the short-term should be concerned.
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Yes, indeed, but there are, unfortunately, a myriad different possible symptoms. The trouble with allergies is that the symptoms can be fast-acting or very slow-acting with very small symptoms gradually increasing in severity over many years. Lucky people get fast-acting symptoms shortly after consuming the foods they are allergic to. Unfortunate people like me can get very, very slow-acting symptoms which can take weeks/months/years to appear. Anyway, I, among other conditions, built up constant inflammation of the skin due to (raw or pasteurised dairy consumption), getting "prickly heat", rashes, itching, small pains(so that I could not sleep on my left side for years). All one can do, I'm afraid, is to do long-term experiments to see what works. I would recommend ditching the dairy for 6 months to see if that works for you. Basically, raw dairy is not an essential food and I have seen a number of studies which suggest that dairy reduces ones' lifespan over time, among other things, so that even those who do well on raw dairy in the short-term should be concerned.
That’s very true. Perhaps the symptoms of lactose/dairy intolerance might appear depending on factors such as quantity and prolonged use/long term consumption. Since I dislike the current state in which I have been involved, before you even suggested cutting the ingestion of milk for 6 months, I had already decided to exclude dairy indefinitely and observe if conditions improve. Instead, I’m substiting dairy for salmon and liver, so that I don’t become deficient in some of the vitamins that milk used to provide me.
Btw, is that skin/fatty part at the bottom of raw salmon edible? I had 4 oz of the flesh, but that skin is rather sturdy
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Can't remember, I only get farmed skinless smoked salmon over here, so avoid that like the plague.
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AV was often wrong and not in tune with the real experiences of most RVAFers. In the case of raw veggie juice, DPL is, of course, wrong. Juicing breaks down the cell-walls , thus making not only the nutrients but also the antinutrients in raw vegetables far more bioavailable.
How is a slow masticating juicer like the greenstar any different in this regard than chewing? I know you're not a fan of chewing meats extensively but surely you don't think the same about fibrous plants like celery?
Incidentally, I got diarrhea, too, after consuming raw veggie-juice.
What did your juice consist of and how much did you drink?
And was that the only time in your life you had diarrhea?
And how do you know it wasn't a detox?
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A slow juicer is rather more extreme than chewing re pressure . Besides, most people don't spend ages chewing plant foods.
Re my raw veggie juice experience:- I had 1 pint of raw veggie juice a day for several days - I also tried other times when I drank less a day or more a day, but not all at the same time . Obviously, I have had diarrhea many other times pre-rpd diet and in the first 2-3 days of going rvaf, but this is irrelevant since the diarrhea I got in my raw veggie juice experiments always happened within 30-60 minutes afterwards. The way I see it, given my other experiments with eating only raw liver every other week, is that my body did not want the nutrients in the raw veggie juice and so got rid of them pronto via diarrhea. Also, a real detox does not occur every time one consumes a specific food, detoxes are usually random.
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A slow juicer is rather more extreme than chewing re pressure . Besides, most people don't spend ages chewing plant foods.
I don't see how it's more extreme, and plenty of people, myself included, have the natural instinct to chew vegetables like celery or carrots, drink the juice and discard the pulp.
Re my raw veggie juice experience:- I had 1 pint of raw veggie juice a day for several days - I also tried other times when I drank less a day or more a day, but not all at the same time .
What combinations and amounts of vegetables did the juice consist of?
And were you aware that AV never recommended more than 1/4th to 3/4ths of a pint as the absolute maximum per sitting?
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Juicing exerts far more pressure and really cuts into the cell-membranes, thus releasing more antinutrients/nutrients than chewing. Bear also in mind that we do not have the kind of chewing power re teeth etc. that herbivores like sheep do.
Back in my PD group days, I used to encounter a large number of Primal Dieters who would consume more than a pint a day of raw veggie juice.As regards the veg I used for raw veggie juice, it was a wide choice of carrots, radishes, but mostly greener veg like kale cucumber or whatever. It was a long time ago, so memory isn't great. I will agree that I never had issues with raw fruit juices.
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Juicing exerts far more pressure and really cuts into the cell-membranes, thus releasing more antinutrients/nutrients than chewing. Bear also in mind that we do not have the kind of chewing power re teeth etc. that herbivores like sheep do.
Our teeth, jaws, tongue etc, if in optimal condition are perfectly capable of "juicing" most vegetables. I don't think you're talking about slow masticating juicers when you say they exert a lot more pressure or cut deeper into cell membranes.
Back in my PD group days, I used to encounter a large number of Primal Dieters who would consume more than a pint a day of raw veggie juice.
Per day yes, per sitting no. Even in his recipe book from 2002 he recommended as little as 1/4th of a pint per sitting, 3 times a day, and 3/4ths per sitting as the absolute maximum for people who needed more. And later on he started recommending even smaller amounts of juice in general.
As regards the veg I used for raw veggie juice, it was a wide choice of carrots, radishes, but mostly greener veg like kale cucumber or whatever. It was a long time ago, so memory isn't great. I will agree that I never had issues with raw fruit juices.
That's not how AV recommended to mix your juices and in fact he strictly said not to do that. Cucumber is the only one out of all those which you should have a large amount of in your juices. And he said you should never juice fruits, except in small amounts and for particular formulas, as that makes the sugars rush into your bloodstream too fast.
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I'm aware of many of AV's recommendations against fruits. He was wrong.And, like I said, we are neither herbivores like sheep with their superior chewing ability nor do we obtain as much antinutrients by chewing than a juicer does. Anyway, my selfdiagnosis re veggie-juice is rather more likely to be correct since I had similiar experiences with raw ox liver(grassfed) and to raw suet. Besides, tastewise, fruits are better than antinutrient-rich raw vegetables , and, since taste/instinct works better for me as a path to health... I guess, GCB was right in his basic concept re instincts.
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You can claim whatever you want, but don't say AV's advise regarding veggie juice is bad when you did exactly what he said not to do, in larger amounts than he recommended, and got the results he said you would get by doing what you did.
In synthesis, your juice was too strong and you had too much of it. Of course you were going to have issues.
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You can claim whatever you want, but don't say AV's advise regarding veggie juice is bad when you did exactly what he said not to do, in larger amounts than he recommended, and got the results he said you would get by doing what you did.
In synthesis, your juice was too strong and you had too much of it. Of course you were going to have issues.
Yes I know, AV said the same sort of nonsense about my issues with raw dairy, that I had not warmed the raw milk before I drank it or not fermented it or whatever. I tried all those methods, and, of course, none of them worked. As regards the issues that people have, all I have stated is the truth that raw dairy is the raw food that rvafers have the biggest incidence of problems with and raw veggie juice is the 2nd worst in this regard.
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You fail to recognize that AV's advice regarding juicing is actually pretty similar to GCB's philosophy. Mild tasting vegetables make up the bulk of the juice for a reason. If you take a bunch of really strong tasting vegetables that you would never be able to chew on your own due to how awful they would taste, and juice them, then drink the juice forcing yourself to ignore the strong bitter or pungent taste, and have way more of it than your body is able to handle, then yes you're going to have problems.
Don't blame AV for what you did because it's completely different to what AV suggested, and he even warned that many people made that mistake.
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GCB in his wisdom banned raw veggie juice in the first place as juicing is a process and he only recommended unprocessed foods. GCB was nothing like AV, imo.
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GCB in his wisdom banned raw veggie juice in the first place as juicing is a process and he only recommended unprocessed foods. GCB was nothing like AV, imo.
He was full of contradictions, claiming for instance that chewing a vegetable, drinking the juice and discarding the pulp was somehow unnatural, even though plenty of people have the natural instinct to do just that.
He was also unaware that our instincts were developed for a completely different set of circumstances, one where food wasn't as widely available and where the choice wasn't just to eat one thing or another as a wealthy person, but whether to eat at all or not. He also fails to recognize that super sweet fruit is very rare in nature, and even mildly sweet fruit is only available seasonally, except in the tropics and up the trees where monkeys and birds and squirrels and bats get it far before we are able to. He also fails to recognize that shipping fruit from all over the world, all year round, to your doorstep anytime you want by just pressing a button, is completely unnatural also.
If you follow GCB's philosophy entirely, like AV warned, you will find yourself eating larger and larger amounts of highly sweet fruit, which is completely unnatural and doesn't lead to long-term health.
In any case, what I meant is that in your juice experiment, you juiced vegetables that you would never have been able to chew yourself, and then you probably forced yourself to drink the juice even though it didn't taste good at all, and forced yourself to drink way more than your body could handle. AV's recommendations towards juicing would make a juice mixture that you would be able to chew yourself if you had the time and energy and had good healthy teeth / gums / jaw. AV Also said never to gulp anything, including juice, but to sip it instead, giving your body time to assess the effects and quantities, and to properly utilize the nutrients. Sipping mimics the rate at which the juice would be consumed if you were chewing the vegetables yourself.
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Just equivocation as chewing is not the same as juicing. Besides, non-herbivores have no reason to chew plant foods.They simply don't have all the teeth necessary for thet. GCB was not perfect and did indeed recommend sweet fruits himself and even recommend against raw meats at one time, but his actual Instincto philosophy of eating only via taste/instinct is correct. The claim re people eventually only eating raw sweet fruits is nonsense - would only apply to rvaf diet beginners who never go in for much variety so never get used to raw meats. I can see that given my own experience. For example, I find the taste of raw fatty animal flesh(of high enough quality) to taste far better than raw sweet fruits. The only reason I do not do a 100% raw zero carb diet is that other experiments showed a dramatic increase in brainpower and a steady drop in physical stamina until c. 21 days, when suddenly my health would plummet and my hunger would be unsated by raw animal foods, thus leading me by instinct back to an omnivorous rvaf diet low in carbs and high in raw meats. OH, and I still far prefer the taste of raw fruit juices than any raw veggie-juices, even things like cucumber etc.(I have tried a large number of variations over time).
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Just equivocation as chewing is not the same as juicing.
It's about the same if you discard the pulp after pressing and drinking the juice.
Besides, non-herbivores have no reason to chew plant foods.They simply don't have all the teeth necessary for thet.
Nonsense, I can chew plenty of plant foods easily even though my my teeth and gums are far from being in optimal health condition.
GCB was not perfect and did indeed recommend sweet fruits himself and even recommend against raw meats at one time, but his actual Instincto philosophy of eating only via taste/instinct is correct.
He arbitrarly claims some foods are non initial even though similar versions would've existed in the wild, and supports others that wouldn't have. And again, the whole notion that humans in the wild would have a whole buffet of hundreds of wildly different foods that grow in entirely different seasons and climates to choose from, at every single moment of every single day, 365 days a year, and that our instincts would be geared towards optimally consuming such foods, is ludicrous.
The claim re people eventually only eating raw sweet fruits is nonsense
I didn't say only sweet fruits. I said very high amounts. Go in the wild and tell me how many supersweet, mostly seedless, ripe fruits you find, and how many months a year does that happen and in what amounts you find them.
OH, and I stillf ar prefer the taste of raw fruit juices than any raw veggie-juices, even things like cucumber etc.(I have tried a large number of variations over time).
Of course you do, and it's still completely unnatural.
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I rarely drink fruit juices anyway, and only eat a very wide variety of raw foods such as they did in palaeo times. Scientific studies have shown a very wide variety in the palaeolithic human' diet, despite your laughable claims. No one is claiming 365 days a year, as famine and storms and droughts existed in thsoe times, but, quite obviously, the abasurd very retsricted modern diets, such as the primal diet, could never have been adhered to in paleolithic times. What you forget is that, prior to agriculture, mankind had not destroyed as much as the world's surface as later on, so that vast areas would have contained a myriad amount of fruits, albeit not as high in sugar as now, and also a wide variety of honey and wild game.
Oh, and chewing with human teeth obviously cannot compare to the chewing power of sheep given the latters' teeth are all designed by nature to only chew grass and other plant foods. And juicing exerts way more pressure/cutting power than either.
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Hi guys. Quick update. Will need your opinions on this.
Fast forward, after cutting dairy, eating kimchi and not having much more than two cups of milk earlier that day that I communicated my gastrointestinal issues to you guys, I had a immediate response to my recently adopted “protocol”, so I had bowel movements on the very next day and it was runny. Possibly in response to kimch, but I was not concerned about the incidenti. Eventually, I guess it took me two days to partly repopulate my gut with new bacteria, which resulted in another bowel movement — this time around was exponentially easier, and I have concluded that my approach to regaining my gut health must be paying off because I feel far healthier than before.
However, my current issue is shockingly the very opposite of constipation. I eat eggs, Kobe meat, chicken liver and salmon. I wonder if what I am experiencing has anything to do with the fact that I began to eat the salmon’s skin. I don’t atttibute my problem to anything else other than that, because I do feel as though everything has contributed to a better outcome, except for the skin.
Finally, i must mention that yesterday I drank a little bit of alcohol, and obviously as a result my body is not agreeing with it at all. I wanted to throw up, but instead my stomach is now producing its own philharmonic symphony. Earlier yesterday, my stomach was hurting a little, so I just had soft stool, but on the verge of becoming runny. Right now it’s straight up watery (more than likely a problem exacerbated by alcohol). If you guys could recommend some remedies, I would deeply appreciate it.
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I can give you some extra insight as I did have this issue when switching from a shitty high fiber vegetarian diet to high animal product diet.
Everything needs to be on point in the body regarding HCL and bile, etc.
You have to have sufficient electrolytes, seasalt was important for me to fixing this at least 6 grams per day I would even go up to 10 grams, when switching from high carb diet especially.
Also what helps IMO is daily fasting to let the body heal, 1 meal per day.
I would avoid dairy if you can as others have said, have tried this many times, raw kefir (supposed to be easy to digest) would give me very hard stools, a little but of butter when cooking seems ok.
Also constipation= hard stools, not going to the toilet is not always constipation, for example when dieting for example there is not a lot of waste.
If you feel there is a lot of stuck stools in your colon I would do a water enema.
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@gatsuri
You are claiming to have been constipated on raw dairy.
I would know what that feels like as I had to do enemas 2 months straight BEFORE going on this diet and had it so bad I was in the hospital multiple times with my colons heart beat visibly beating out of my body from all the shit.
Every time I read this forum you people are fat deficient and giving horrible advice for constipation when constipation is only a
FAT DEFICIENCY issue.
I only have 12-18 ounces of clabber a day max.
However every time I drink it for every 6 ounces of milk I add 4 ounces of cream, 3 eggs, and 2 tbsp fine print unheated (not raw) honey. (Aajanous vonderplanitz recipe for living without disease milkshake).
How much raw clabber or kefir did you have daily?
Did you add ANY fat to it?
What kind of fat exactly?
How much fat did/do you have per day?
rock Salt is only a laxative because it is poison, it is not a fix or a cure.
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Everybody is different, so to say raw dairy cannot cause constipation is far from true. I ate shitloads of raw dairy and since I stopped all dairy my constipation is practically gone. I will do another test and include it again when I am abroad, but so far my digestion is far better without dairy. If you stop raw dairy you need another source of fat, for me avocados did the trick, mostly including tomatoes and lots of olive oil, so a bit of fibre could help if you tolerate it.
And just because you add more fat it does not automatically mean that constipation will not occur. If you have low HCI you can eat the fattiest steak in the world, including extra animal fat, but you can still experience constipation. If you have strong gastric acids and good working pancreas then the hardest fat can be turned into proper liquid and make things go through smoothly, if you don´t have that constipation can easily occur. Even liquids like milk will clump and form "balls" in your stomach due to the acid, and if your acid is not strong enought it can cause constipation. Yes, these shakes might make it easier to digest dairy, but one needs to think of the practicality. Sometimes it´s easier to just stop what´s giving u problems rather than trying to find ways how to make it digestible. After years of experimentation with dairy I can say that it´s not essential, at least for me. I found that it definitly has it´s place to heal certain things, and at times it helped me a lot. But then comes time when it´s better to be without. So when Gatsuri said everything needs to be on point in the body regarding HCL and bile, he is correct. And I think its important to sometimes stop acting like a vegan saying "you did the diet wrong" while in fact certain foods of the diet itself are wrong, for your own body.
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I can give you some extra insight as I did have this issue when switching from a shitty high fiber vegetarian diet to high animal product diet.
Everything needs to be on point in the body regarding HCL and bile, etc.
You have to have sufficient electrolytes, seasalt was important for me to fixing this at least 6 grams per day I would even go up to 10 grams, when switching from high carb diet especially.
Also what helps IMO is daily fasting to let the body heal, 1 meal per day.
I would avoid dairy if you can as others have said, have tried this many times, raw kefir (supposed to be easy to digest) would give me very hard stools, a little but of butter when cooking seems ok.
Also constipation= hard stools, not going to the toilet is not always constipation, for example when dieting for example there is not a lot of waste.
If you feel there is a lot of stuck stools in your colon I would do a water enema.
Thanks for the insight. After much research, I figured that the underlying cause for my inability to process/digest protein and especially fat rich foods was largely due to stomach acid. So in my attempt to remedy the problem, I have included a good quality salt in my diet in order to serve as a catalyst for the production of more HCl, and as consequence reignite a large excretion of pepsin and bile. Upon adopting this protocol of consuming salt (about 12g/day), I’ve noticed that it was still relatively difficult to process different kinds of fat, such as cow’s milk cheese fat, not so much goat’s. Overall, there was still some tinkering and manipulation of my diet to do. However, I began to incorporate honey, limes and lemon — although I was reluctant and hesitant to do so — and much to my relief and satisfaction I’ve experienced regular bowel movements. So I actually feel confident in eating any kinds of fat, irrespective of the amount.
I’ve been following this diet consistently since January, so I guess the hiccups that I have faced along the way might have been the natural challenges that one has to endure when the body is making the transition from a glucose-adapted body to a fat-adapted body. Though I must point out that my physiognomy had made considerable strides and improved for the better, but surprisingly or shockingly my digestion (the internal aspect) wasn’t following in the same progression as the outside (such as skin, muscles, hair etc), which was needlessly to say puzzling to me. In hindsight, it must’ve probably been strenuous for the digestive system to process the amount of fat I was consuming from different sources, albeit small relative to what I used to consume in the past. But now, with a better understanding and expanded knowledge of the different metabolic as well as mechanistic effects taking place in body as a response to the consumption of a particular foods, I feel like right now I am on the right path.
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Thanks for the insight. After much research, I figured that the underlying cause for my inability to process/digest protein and especially fat rich foods was largely due to stomach acid. So in my attempt to remedy the problem, I have included a good quality salt in my diet in order to serve as a catalyst for the production of more HCl, and as consequence reignite a large excretion of pepsin and bile. Upon adopting this protocol of consuming salt (about 12g/day), I’ve noticed that it was still relatively difficult to process different kinds of fat, such as cow’s milk cheese fat, not so much goat’s. Overall, there was still some tinkering and manipulation of my diet to do. However, I began to incorporate honey, limes and lemon — although I was reluctant and hesitant to do so — and much to my relief and satisfaction I’ve experienced regular bowel movements. So I actually feel confident in eating any kinds of fat, irrespective of the amount.
I’ve been following this diet consistently since January, so I guess the hiccups that I have faced along the way might have been the natural challenges that one has to endure when the body is making the transition from a glucose-adapted body to a fat-adapted body. Though I must point out that my physiognomy had made considerable strides and improved for the better, but surprisingly or shockingly my digestion (the internal aspect) wasn’t following in the same progression as the outside (such as skin, muscles, hair etc), which was needlessly to say puzzling to me. In hindsight, it must’ve probably been strenuous for the digestive system to process the amount of fat I was consuming from different sources, albeit small relative to what I used to consume in the past. But now, with a better understanding and expanded knowledge of the different metabolic as well as mechanistic effects taking place in body as a response to the consumption of a particular foods, I feel like right now I am on the right path.
Did you heal your digestion problems with salt and honey or just honey?
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Hi guys. I’ve been following a raw primal diet for over a month now, and I must say that I feel much better when compared to the period in which I used to follow a cooked paleo/primal diet. I only eat organ meats, muscle meat, raw eggs, raw dairy, seafood etc. Water intake has drastically been reduced, as I naturally don’t feel the need to drink water. i would say I drink about 250 ml a day, if not less. Similarly, salt intake has dwindled as well to the point that I don’t consume any salt.
I have absolutely no issues, except for constipation. Initially I was looking for a culprit, so I assumed dairy must be the one to blame. But as I’ve stated before, I don’t experience any other issues aside from constipation, so I don’t necessarily think dairy is the problem. I’ve grown taller, I have a clear skin, and I have no mental fog or mucus. No sinusitis, gas or anything.
I thought perhaps because salt intake must be relatively high to produce HCL and other enzymes to break down protein that I must include more sodium in my diet. It turns out that doesn’t happen to be case, as my experiment with 4g of salt hasn’t made much of difference in my bowel movements, and as a result I ended up retaining some water.
Next, I began to drink more water, 2 liters or more. Didn’t seem to work that much, but then again I am not very inclined to drink as much water as in the past, so I haven’t carried on with that practice for that long to notice any results in the long term.
I thought of eating kimchi, as I have learned that these types of fermented foods aid in digestion. Even though I know plant foods are wreak havoc, given the circumstances I am reconsidering giving it a try. As far as other fermented foods, Raw kefir didn’t quite work, but I only drank a quart of it.
I would like your opinion and I would appreciate any input. This is the only thing that I want to solve, as I’ve only had fantastic experiences with the diet. Thank you
Edit: there’s blood in my stool
"Raw dairy" does not cause constipation however raw cheese can. You're supposed to be eating equal amount of fat (butter or avocado) with your raw cheese but depending on the cheese and how much you eat sometimes this isn't enough. I noticed when I switched from raw cheese I was buying from other people to the raw farmers cheese I was making myself (with NOTHING added) its become much more difficult to get constipated. When I was getting constipated from the raw cheese I was eating before I noticed that eating a small piece of high meat every day prevented the constipation (recommended by Aajonus in his book).
Also you're only supposed to eat a sugar cubed size piece of cheese every half hour MAX (powerful detox method), but I would start with much less frequency and work your way up, monitoring your bowel movements.