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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: roony on January 26, 2010, 08:34:20 am
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I was wondering if a large number of very fine particles of meat, could be absorbed through the skin
If so you could create a dermal high meat patch, for ppl who want to take high meat, but cant stand the taste or smell, ive already got a method for the smell
Raw paleo dermal patches anyone? lol
I got the idea, after thinking about the giant pre-historic tree's & because they were so large, how they mustve sprayed hundreds of pounds of high meat into the air daily, because of the massive dinosaurs around at the time
In the pre-flood pre deluvian times, this is probably how people ate, in the golden age before the flood, they probably bred tree's & plants specifically to distribute food dermally & nasally & buried tree's in meat instead of soil
They probably deodarised the meat
Jus some thoughts
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I have practical experience with FAT being absorbed.
Virgin Coconut oil and Ghee I can say is absorbed.
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haha this is out of control
you can absorb nutrients/minerals not sure about protein or carbohydrates
i think you would need some nanotech meat particles to allow for trans dermal patches -\
although i do not think its worth trying to further medicate people who are not even willing to understand health and nutrition enough to value high meat and become accustom to its flavor
assuming that the rest of anything that you said makes any sense i would think that
perhaps the atmosphere was much different because the planets temperature, plants, algae, fungi, bacteria, animals and their by-products were much different and the soil was much more alive and the ocean was much more alive and the air was "high" so you could possible assimilate nutrients from some kind of symbiotic relationship with the bacteria and fungus in the air and soil much like trees do with micoryza? weird to think about......
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I dunno i think its much easier, thnx for out particles, i was initially thinking of high meat until it turned liquid, & all the particles turned to mosh, so they can be absorbed through the skin
The body absorbs liquids through the skin all the time, ie when it rains or shower
Also because its a high meat mosh, the dermal patch would have a high rate of absorption transdermally
You could do the same with plants, grow them in liquid high meat & basically absorb it through the atmosphere
You could get a full meal of high meat dispersed by the plants growing in high meat, as you sleep & wake up full, because of a plants high dispersal rate, you could do it with 2 or 3 plants
You could keep adding plants, until you notice a reduction in the amount you eat
Basically create HIGH AIR ...
I think it would be easy to create the same effect as tree's do with micorzya, as high meat, especially in liquid form is so bio available
If you want to create a massive nutritionally rich environment, liquid high meat tends to draw a crowd of crazed bee's insects & bacteria & fungi, as i found out after accidently dropping a jar of high meat luckily outside ...
In seconds hundreds of flies & insects raided the high meat
This makes a lot of sense, & explains why animals & insects seem to have so short lives, in the golden age, with the massive pre-historic trees most herbivores & insects, didnt have to eat they got everything from the high air atmosphere, thanks to large amounts of dinosaurs
Also if you're familiar with saturnian theory, they never had seasonal weather, the whole planet was basically a massive lush jurassic atmosphere, with air so filled with bits of dinosaur, most animals didnt even bother to eat
You could use charcoal or some other deodariser to neutralise the smell
Or you could grow tons of venus flytraps, or carnivorous plants & feed it tons of liquid meat, instead of insects, hmmm
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I'm following you with this train of thought Roony.
I've heard about breatharians and the garden of eden times during Saturn's reign as the fixed sun indeed has possibilities.
All that needs to be done is for you to experiment with that high meat.
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I'm following you with this train of thought Roony.
I've heard about breatharians and the garden of eden times during Saturn's reign as the fixed sun indeed has possibilities.
All that needs to be done is for you to experiment with that high meat.
wow yes, the breatharians, & the sun gazers, this explains how they were able to survive without food ... in conjunction with the massive amounts of vitamin d, 24 hours a day, i think we're underestimating the levels of high meat in the air at the time
due to the massive size of dinosaurs, several stories high, the atmosphere must've been packed or dispersed with massive amounts of high meat, from the undergrowth, basically drenched with high meat & bacteria
Alot like the tropical forests of today, walking into a tropical forest & you're immediately hit with the moisture & atmosphere of the jungle, after a while you're soaked in the jungle's moisture & atmosphere
We could use the same process of osmosis & create a high meat & bacteria laden atmosphere, precipitated by a plants leaves & natural osmosis, basically a tropical version of high meat atmosphere in our bedrooms
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yeah usually when i am eating outside in the summer i am sharing my meal wasp's no matter what. i have actually had them chew on my toes which is a rather bizzarre experience as well as a test of my tickletude!
as for growing plants in meat sone of the best substances to enrich soil are bone meal/blood meal, usually of fish, as well as a fermented broth of effective microorganisms and rice bran called bokashi(i am sure other sugary plant material would work in place of rice bran), algae added to compost for soil building, as well as kelp to add nutrients/natural sea minerals. i am not sure that the "meat" would transfer to the air still, to me there must have been bacteria/fungus that lived in us or on us that would assist in this...and probably the fact that we were covered in dirt that also contained these organisms is a huge factor. i have discribed in another post how the days i am covered in clay from spelunking/general hiking/dirt bathing i have intense energy and insomnia/bliss....this is the same for days i can spend at least 2-3 hrs sun bathing and then the rest of the day outside
i do not know why you assume that creating this environment inside of your bedroom and inside of a town is less isolating then moving to the woods. number one i would not be solitary as i am well aware of the fact that tribes have a better survival rate, but i also challenge the fact that humans have created an artificial and detrimental isolating "habitat" for themselves in the form of houses, property, territory, granted it is an animal instinct, but one which we should outgrow or evolve from, as these are fear based instincts and we would really benefit by putting our intellect to use and evolving to a faith based pantheologic/entheogenic species(trust in universe, sun worship etc..)! there are movements such as "food not lawns" but i would like to create "habitat not cities" where we evolve our towns back to environments that are habitable by all creatures native to the area INCLUDING humans, with a focus on enriching soil quality, plant life and water to create wonderful clean air and sustainable food sources for our food sources.
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Well, the thing is we have these artificial structures in place already, if we dont create these natural environments in our cities & popularise them, millions of people will suffer, & are already suffering
Also you cant just displace millions of people, the resources just arent there
If you can do it, great, im after solutions to benefit already existing buildings, i happen to like my community & the people in it lol
Eventually, the eco structures will actually get larger & we can start making those buildings extinct, converting them back to into eco habitats for all creatures
We have to realise, even artificial structures are intelligent in a sense, & treat them like colonies of bacteria, if we demolish them, or abandon them, they will poison the environment anyway, but if we create natural living environments within them, our environment can mutate them & naturally bring these artifical & toxic structures back to nature, safely
We have to revere all forms of life, whether theyre artificial or living ... we have to be responsible for what we create & we have to ensure we correct those mistakes as humanely as possible
Plants have been proven at efficiently removing nearly all the toxic gases from our carpets, walls, paint & furniture & our electronic equipment, like pc's, very efficiently, even outperforming industrial air scrubbers
Combine those plants with the tropical like atmosphere & discreet ecology of minute animals & insects running in pipes along our walls, so our buildings dont get infested, attached to small plants filled with the E.M, effective microrganisms you mentioned, combined with high meat, & you have a completely natural solution to toxic buildings & pollution
Basically a natural living portable eco system, to combat pollution & toxic buildings
& hopefully create a new type of technology, which is far superior to the periodic, hand based system we have of feeding ourselves
Our environment feeds us a constant stream of bacteria & keeps our moisture in a moisture of high meat liquids saturating our air
We also already have pores & ability to absorb nutrition from the air in our skin, we dont need fungi, the bacteria to convert food, is already on & in our skin
If a tropical jungle can soak nutrition through the moisture in the air, in a small room, it should be even easier
Plants basically disperse a large number of the minerals & soil in its roots, through its leaves anyway, its just a matter of experimenting with the dispersal rate of plants, to create a high meat air atmosphere
We need to be covered in dirt, we need soil & plants & animals, nature uses them to clean up her environment, toxic buildings are easy to tackle, its an easy solution
They've already started using plants to recycle the poor air & toxic pollution in factories & offices, in large scales in places like India & the U.S, it's already begun, we can improve on it though, by introducing living insects & animals to create a complete eco structure
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let the nature take back the structures already in place. we spend too much time trying to "maintain" our cities which is really just keeping them from nature. so you can have your city it just has to be different...dirt roads, wild lawns, houses/building with less material, more air, sunlight, "urban" wildlife...this would eliminate the need for an artificial natural portable ecosystem! ha, unless you are trying to create this really bizzare world where outside is sterile and inside is fertile and you have to go inside to be outside,....
there was an excellent example of nature being able to clean up after itself and humans. an oil spill in san fransisco prompted the use of human hair mats to absorb the oil from the shores, as it is one of the best materials for this....they sourced the hair from salon donations. after the mats had absorbed the oil they then inoculated them with mushrooms who decomposed the mats and oil. we have all of this "technology"/understanding of nature, we are just fearful creatures who thrive on comfort and are not willing to go through the adjustment phase to promote a more conscious healthful planet for generations to come. and perhaps this is what is supposed to happen :)
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That's the whole point, we have to work with nature to take back the structures, we have to play our part, we created the problem, we have to be responsible for the solution
If we dont take responsibility for what we've done, & work with nature to take back these structures, we will never learn from our mistakes
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That's the whole point, we have to work with nature to take back the structures, we have to play our part, we created the problem, we have to be responsible for the solution
If we dont take responsibility for what we've done, & work with nature to take back these structures, we will never learn from our mistakes
We?
Old & powerful stories say that we did not do it.
We are not alone on this planet.
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I know that, but we did build our houses, & flats, skyscrapers etc.
We have to take part in the cycles nature takes, even if it is structures we might have & have not built, we have to stop displacing ourselves & becoming dysfunctional, like our immune systems did when we consumed cooked foods
Our body needs raw nature & all of its cycles, we need birds & insects to nourish our bodies from the outside, while we nourish our bodies from the inside
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I know that, but we did build our houses, & flats, skyscrapers etc.
Yes, when we were innocent. 99.9% of us are still innocent of wisdom.
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Yes, when we were innocent. 99.9% of us are still innocent of wisdom.
hmm, what structures are you referring to? stargates, saturnian structures etc.,?
You are what you believe, wisdom finds you if you know how to use language as shamanism
Words, the oldest form of scrying, constantly rolling letters of the alphabet to predict the future
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Yes, when we were innocent. 99.9% of us are still innocent of wisdom.
i am not sure i would call it innocent, each day i see more and more that the 99% are already living a living dead and that perhaps they do not want to be saved, salvation is labor! even though in my heart of hearts i would love to save them all and have empathy for their lack of life, and as william says our ancestors new an could see there was a time when this would end and perhaps it is out of our control and not by our doing anyway(humans ego would say it has to be) and up to the sun, and maybe not even one in our solar system, it is all a part of nature and a cycle for new beginning, i feel blessed to live in this time
They will not, therefore cannot, do not know him.
Nothing they could know, could be God. In sooth,
Unto the true alone exists the truth.
They say well, saying Nature doth not show him:
Truly she shows not what she cannot show;
And they deny the thing they cannot know.
Who sees a glory, towards it will go.
- George MacDonald, A Book of Strife in the Form of The Diary of an Old Soul
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i am not sure i would call it innocent, each day i see more and more that the 99% are already living a living dead and that perhaps they do not want to be saved, salvation is labor! even though in my heart of hearts i would love to save them all and have empathy for their lack of life, and as william says our ancestors new an could see there was a time when this would end and perhaps it is out of our control and not by our doing anyway(humans ego would say it has to be) and up to the sun, and maybe not even one in our solar system, it is all a part of nature and a cycle for new beginning, i feel blessed to live in this time
They will not, therefore cannot, do not know him.
Nothing they could know, could be God. In sooth,
Unto the true alone exists the truth.
They say well, saying Nature doth not show him:
Truly she shows not what she cannot show;
And they deny the thing they cannot know.
Who sees a glory, towards it will go.
- George MacDonald, A Book of Strife in the Form of The Diary of an Old Soul
Well theres the difference, i dont think theyre zombies, you simply cant ask somebody to understand something out of their reality, but you can enrich their perception of reality until they do
Raw paleoists, have to step out of their ivory towers & stop seeing themselves as minorities
Knowledge is power, use it
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the problem is i dont have an ivory tower, if i did i would be much easier to convince the masses that this was the way(if it is i am not sure, i dont want to be cocky or egotistical, but even just a more natural diet we see the benefits)
faith in the universe and natures will is a wonderful freedom but it is not an easy or luxurious package
it involves dirt, rotten meat, hard labor, being "physically uncomfortable", observation and understanding of natural processes, learning how to take care of oneself, horticulture(yes), consideration for all creatures, elements, energies and many other things that people will not be bothered with or even consider.....it is hard to show someone the benefits when the path is so unglamorous, selfless, foreign, to show true "mental health" contentment and bliss that having faith in the natural processes and the fact that we have a place within the system
i think its okay to be human and think that there are ways to outsmart the natural system by creating something to make it easier to synthesize the homeostatus this system would have if we didnt try to augment it to our "benefit", but in my own truth this is just prolonging of unnecessary suffering ...i had a conversation with a man today who said that our atmosphere is less ionized then it used to be, so he had a machine to ionize his water, to which i suggested fresh riverwater perhaps ionized by quartz and rocks just up the hill, to which he kringed at bacteria, giardia..etc...no faith!
then spent some hours in the woods discussing this, its about all i do, same conversation because it seems its the only conversation...but yeah i am here in front of the computer too sooo....no better than anyone but working being at least as good as i can
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It's really only a matter of communication & perception, if you think something isnt easy to communicate it will be,
If its easy its all about how you percieve the idea, before you communicate it
Learn to communicate patterns which destroy peoples entrenched idea, perception is an illusion, alter it
Perceive communicating your ideas as easy, & realising you might have to be confident & brazen in order to get your views across, is crucial to building your skills
Start rising to the challenge brazenly challenge peoples idea, basically if they start to complain about bacteria etc., people use different strategies to alter their reality, poke holes in those strategies
People are surprisingly open to change, its all relative to how much you percieve that persons ability to change
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roony i sent you a message i dont know how they appear so though i would warn you
i would love to set this thread back on topic and apologize for digression
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If you left highmeats soaking on your skin, besides the obvious smell, I guess the bacteria in the meat might give you a sort of face-lift, it might eat off all dead skin cells whilst giving your skin vitamins. Have you tried it?
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Well, i was thinking of deodarising the high meat using some sort of charcoal, or using some sort of fermenetation to get control the smell
Also the plants pores would break up the liquid high meat into fine drops, not visible to the eye, as it does today, also these finer drops allow the skin & & lungs to absorb the high meat even more efficiently
As rawzi pointed out, you wouldnt need a moisturiser & any skin problems like dry skin, would be healed instantly
I'm also pretty sure the act of the plant absorbing the high meat, would deodarise the plant & the plant would smell even better because of the high meat,
For example, people feed plants a mixture of rotten fish & seaweed, as a fertiliser, but you dont notice the smell, due to the bacteria in the soil & the plant breaking down the mixture
The same thing applies to crops & fruit, farmers apply manure, cow dung to their vegetables & fruit, but the vegetables or fruit never taste of cow dung, & the fields of corn & vegetables, also smell great
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you should smell the farmers, or their compost! totally different story..
in truth once your perception changes the manure smells better and compost only bad if its gone totally anarobic from moisture.
odors are the biproduct of the bacterial process, just like why our poo smells, its the gas of the process, so by adding charcoal you may inhibit the process..."de-oderising" may simply be de-bacterializing...you would have to understand the specific strains of bacteria that are beneficial to the process of creating high meat and what their proper environment and life processes are, do they create odoriferous gas? yogurt doesnt really smell high but it does smell sour, same with fermented fruit, fermented grains are yeasty smelling, kimchi/saurkraut smell sulphuric but this is probably just due to the high content in bokchoy and cabbage....so perhaps the smell it is also a result of the material that is being eaten by the bacteria...
it is not the plants converting the bone/blood, seaweed and compost to the non smelling form, but the microbes, fungus and bacteria in the soil that convert these substances into nutrients that the roots can absorb and utilize....just as in humans we use the microbes/enzymes in our intestines and if we choose predigested in the form of high meat to help us break down the meat into nutirents we can absorb......so basically if you really want to create an internal environment that is proper for health you create yourself as a fertile compost heap first, secondly a beneficial bacteria/fungus plant oxygen sunshine laden "home" environment and then work on the rest of the world! fungus filter gasmask in the interim
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further people really fail to realize how alive soil is, its a miraculous thing...dirt
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The smell & compost of manure only lasts initially, after that the gases & smells are absorbed & recycled by the crops & bacteria & parasites, very efficiently
Dirt & soil creates, what ive referred to is the Secondary Immune System, Most people dont realise how powerful & healing our environment is, or what a normal healthy atmosphere is like
For example if you go to places like malaysia, or bangladesh, or the amazon
If you eat cooked food & have a poor diet, you will get attacked by everything from malaria plasmoids & typhus & millions of other parasites & bacteria, as soon as you walk off the plane lol
A diseased & unhealthy person is alot like a walking piece of rotting meat, if you place that rotting meat in the fresh air, it will immediately get swarmed by flies & ants & rodents & hordes of parasites & bacteria
The parasites & bacteria in the environment, are actually trying to heal that diseased person
The only reason the people living in 3rd world countries, dont drop dead of malaria or typhus, the parasites & bacteria have successfully infested the host body, & actively clean their system of the cooked foods they eat
Which is why places like japan & india, seem to have lower rates of disease, especially the indians, who have horrendous diets, they all start dropping like flies, if you introduce antibiotics & hygiene into their homes
My point is, if we can create an environment deliberately designed to nurture & grow these parasites & bacteria, the rate of the composition of our bones, as they grow back would increase, & the rate we ingest & process food would increase, by a hundredfold
The parasites & bacteria, because they have a rapid increase in nutrition through the environment, would also be stronger & more powerful in their ability to clean our bodies & process our foods
& create a new type of health, most humans have never experienced, since the jurassic era
We cant build an internal ecological system, by simply eating raw meats & food, it's our environment & the rate of bacteria & parasites we absorb from our environment, which allows us to digest food in the first place
At present, we absorb a MINISCULE amount of nutrition from raw meat, because we have NO bacteria or parasites to absorb through our environment, as we're all displaced from the outside
Which is why children in sterile conditions, even with perfect food, get diseased & ill, the food they eat simply has no way of being digested & processed correctly, so it sits in their bodies for weeks, rotting & diseased
Which is what's happening to most Raw Paleo's today
Fortunately for us, raw meat decomposes into beneficial bacteria & parasites
But this very slow rate of decomposition & decay, because of the lack of a powerful, filthy third world like environment, creates the slow, regeneration & growth of bones, aajonus refers to
We cannot break down the food fast enough, to facilitate the rapid regrowth, our bacteria & parasites needs to rebuild our bodies
Because the bacteria & parasites in our bodies, are weak & starving
A high meat drenched atmosphere is simply the beginning
By expertly nourishing the environment, we can radically create muscular & healthy men & women, in excess of today, without steroids or massive force feeding as body builders do today
We simply provide a rich & nutritious environment for our bacteria & parasites, similar to the conditions in jurassic era's
We have to stop using the periodicity of food & internalisation of nutrition, as a shortcut to health
Nature has a strict & a very high criteria for a standard of life
If we dont enrich our environment with bacteria & soils etc., & a constrant stream of hydration from plants, in place of drinking water, & a constrant stream of nutrition from our environment
Even our raw paleo diets, will reach a plateau & we will incur detoxes & other environment induced issues, because of our displaced from nature bedrooms & living rooms
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Why havent we been able to evolve for thousands of years? Why havent we progressed PHYSICALLY, why are we being outperformed by GORILLAS & CHIMPANZEE'S PHYSICALLY ?
There is a limit to the amount of nutrition we can ingest internally, BUT our environment has the ability to feed us externally INFINITELY
The only limit is the density of our environment, our bodies are simply too dense to facilitate INFINiTE nutrition, by removing those walls, by feeding our environment, we can feed our environment an INFINITE amount of nutrition
This near infinite environmental, bacteria & parasites & soils fed an almost infinite amount of nutrition, is what created the jurrassic era, density of fauna & biomatter in our air
Just like creating high meat, if you acclimatise the high meat, it will gradually become bio available & acclimatise
If you immediately leave it outside, everything from flies & insects & massive amounts of bacteria will consume it
But if you can acclimatise & condition not only the meat, & the meats internal environment, but also the external environment, you will reach a point, where you can safely leave the meat in the open air, & the environment will automatically create bacteria, to prevent the meat from oxidising too fast & it will prevent insects & rodents from consuming the meat, it will eventually heal & nurture that meat,
It will become SYMBIOTIC & in synthesis with nature
We have to condition nature to us, & we have to acclimatise ourselves to nature
The best way to do so, is by acclimatising our homes
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if you look at the history of evolution within our species it was never the more physically apt who survived (why is our bone structure, musculature more delicate then paleomans, but our brains larger?) it was the more mentally able in terms of defending themselves from nature, other tribes, figuring out how to insure large tribes regardless of quality/location(agriculture, food storage, sophisticated housing, clothing etc...) we then over produced these greedy and careless being who are highly intelligent at knowing what to do to in terms of continuing themselves, but not very astute when it comes to having this process be sustainable for the other beings that they seem to deny constitute a proper environment for their our wellbeing!
i think if you looked at that chart where its the evolution of the fish to human, beyond us would be a being such as ghandi (although certainly not in dietary habits, more so morality) with a gigantic brain and sense of connectedness to all beings...
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why is our bone structure, musculature more delicate then paleomans, but our brains larger
Our brains are ~11% smaller than those of our paleolithic ancestors.
i think if you looked at that chart where its the evolution of the fish to human, beyond us would be a being such as ghandi (although certainly not in dietary habits, more so morality) with a gigantic brain and sense of connectedness to all beings...
Hypothetical evolution isn't going to happen until we smarten up and revert to paleolithic brain size. IMHO
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if you look at the history of evolution within our species it was never the more physically apt who survived (why is our bone structure, musculature more delicate then paleomans, but our brains larger?) it was the more mentally able in terms of defending themselves from nature, other tribes, figuring out how to insure large tribes regardless of quality/location(agriculture, food storage, sophisticated housing, clothing etc...) we then over produced these greedy and careless being who are highly intelligent at knowing what to do to in terms of continuing themselves, but not very astute when it comes to having this process be sustainable for the other beings that they seem to deny constitute a proper environment for their our wellbeing!
i think if you looked at that chart where its the evolution of the fish to human, beyond us would be a being such as ghandi (although certainly not in dietary habits, more so morality) with a gigantic brain and sense of connectedness to all beings...
As william pointed out, via his brain reversion comment, i wasnt pointing out evolutionary advantages of survival,
but simply the physical superiority
Put simply, if we didnt live in houses & buildings for thousands of years, we too, would have the same builds & physical advantages of simians & apes etc.
By subsisting & interacting directly with nature apes & simians, show us the health & muscular & physical potential's of interacting directly with our environment
As jessica points out, this could take us in directions unknown to us, but the steps we take we must
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As william pointed out, via his brain reversion comment, i wasnt pointing out evolutionary advantages of survival,
but simply the physical superiority
Put simply, if we didnt live in houses & buildings for thousands of years, we too, would have the same builds & physical advantages of simians & apes etc.
By subsisting & interacting directly with nature apes & simians, show us the health & muscular & physical potential's of interacting directly with our environment
As jessica points out, this could take us in directions unknown to us, but the steps we take we must
My beef about all this evolution mind games is that most of our own raw paleo kind are not reproducing yet.... but there is hope that they would reproduce... so we can see this evolution "game" play out. Before any evolution can be done, you must have paleo sex for real first. ;)
I'd just be happy with best genetic expression.
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My beef about all this evolution mind games is that most of our own raw paleo kind are not reproducing yet.... but there is hope that they would reproduce... so we can see this evolution "game" play out. Before any evolution can be done, you must have paleo sex for real first. ;)
I'd just be happy with best genetic expression.
They also need a paleo environment to grow in, & i like the idea of some tree action, the friction burns could add a whole new dimension to the paleo experience ...
Talking of genetic expression lol
I basically grew up playing on the streets in india, before we came to britain, we had to hop through marshes to get to school & plow through mud & walk through the breeze of horses & cattle
My dad would take us to swim in waterfalls teeming with fish, as many bengali's, rivers & streams & the ocean played a huge part in their lives, theyd swim everyday in fresh clear waters & catch fish in their bare hands or with sticks
I'm not sure how he coped when we saw the beaches in britain for the first time, with its polluted waters, he tried swimming anyway, before walking out, who needs fresh water & fish, when you've got arcade machines & video games around the corner, & candy floss ... sublimation meh
Despite the polluted beaches & chemical filled swimming pools, in his mind he was always in the fresh clean waters & the teeming fish, he always had pride in his connection with his rivers & waters