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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: fuggles on March 22, 2010, 09:54:19 am
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i hear raw cow dairy is bad in the long run
but what about raw goat dairy
is there much difference between the two ?
also, in milk the deadly poison by robert cohen, what does he say about goat milk
also, will it cause body odor like cow dairy does ?
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Raw goat's dairy has less lactose in it than raw cow's dairy but it' still very unhealthy. It still has all the problems associated with dairy such as disruptive hormones in the milk, a too high calcium: magnesium ratio etc. Avoid like the plague.
My own experience showed that raw goat's dairy was not much different from raw cows' dairy giving me body odour, chronic fatigue etc.
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so what will happen to me if I eat it
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so what will happen to me if I eat it
Dairy has so many different side-effects,many of them dependent on the state of il-helath and type of illness a person has, that it's meaningless to cite specific conditions. The most common side-effects are things like excess mucus in the nose, fatigue, hormonal imbalances but there are many more possible ones. But, overall, if one is already in poor health, then one is far more likely to be susceptible to non-rpd foods such as raw dairy due to existing magnesium-deficiencies or whatever, so it's wisest to just avoid it. Very , very few RVAFers, IMO judging from past reports, seem to thrive on huge amounts of raw dairy, with only a minority seeming to do OK on small amounts of it. Better to play safe and try some other source of raw fat.
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but , from an economic perspective
its better to milk a cow and get lots of butter/cheese/milk for many meals
than to kill the cow and only get one meal
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its the only food to eat raw though
maybe fish but its mostly contaminated
what are my choice
i dont like raw chicken, beef, raw cow, raw pig,
what else is there to pick from
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i agree eating dairy can pacify a person
I imagine a dairy eater as someone who just wants to sit in a chair all day by the fire stroking his cat watching TV
and the horrific body odor it gives
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Not even AV , who loves recommending raw dairy, pretends that raw dairy is best to eat instead of raw meats - quite the opposite, he admits that raw meats are absolutely essential re repairing the body. Your best bet is to eat a wide variety of raw meats, find the 5-10% you initially like, start with those and gradually expand the range until in some months/years you're used to most raw meats re taste. Most take c.8-12 months to get used to the taste of raw meats, a few less or more than that. Read the relevant thread for newbies in the info for newbies section in the general discussions forum.
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fuggles, i assure you, if you eat small quantities of cheese, it won't do you any harm at all if you are not allergic to milk.
but if you start consuming pounds of cheese that will likely give you some issues.
as far as consuming milk products in terms of economy, you are correct, it is more economical to have a cow produce tons of milk instead of killing the cow for meat.
but remember, cow milk is intended only for calves. what's good for calves may not be so good for humans. while cow's meat is good absolutely for all carnivores out there.
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im convinced now
im going to replace it with boiled sweet potato to ween me of cheese
is that a good idea
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i agree
i cant imagine eating dairy on a hot summers day
it just doesnt feel right
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ive had a runny nose all my life
you think its dairy ?
I lived on standard Uk diet as a child,
I particularly drank lots of hot chocolate, in particular ovaltine , which is basically white sugar and whey powder and aspartame, i must have damaged my body pretty bad, drank it 3 times a day for about 5 years.
Anyway, I gave it up about two years ago and i noticed my runny nose had decreased.
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im convinced now
im going to replace it with boiled sweet potato
You're lucky eating potatoes doesn't blow you up. It does me.
dairy eater as someone who just wants to sit in a chair all day by the fire stroking his cat watching TV
and the horrific body odor it gives
If it gave me odor like that, I'd quit eating it. Just do it. Don't imagine.
its the only food to eat raw though
maybe fish but its mostly contaminated
what are my choice
i dont like raw chicken, beef, raw cow, raw pig,
How are you a RPDer then? You hunt all your meat?
kill the cow and only get one meal
You have a big appetite. I could chop that cow up, make high meats of organs etc, drink the blood first, eat the liver, the fat, and entertain friends with food for a year. I wouldn't eat any though. Cows, as far as food, smell vile to me.
also, in milk the deadly poison by robert cohen, what does he say about goat milk
He tells people to replace all animal milk with soymilk to cure prostate cancer. Who cares? He's a neolithic vegan. He sells the SoyToy(tm).
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I particularly drank lots of hot chocolate, in particular ovaltine , which is basically white sugar and whey powder and aspartame, i must have damaged my body pretty bad, drank it 3 times a day for about 5 years.
Anyway, I gave it up about two years ago and i noticed my runny nose had decreased.
I don't know. I didn't go that route. Sounds like you may be trying to decrease bad food, so that would be good.
i cant imagine eating dairy on a hot summers day
it just doesnt feel right
I always gave my ice cream away in Summer. Pasterized ice cream sucks in Summer. It makes you hot and sweaty.
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even though jameth sheridan is a hardcore vegan,
he says the human body can only digest milk, any kind of it be it breast, human or cow or gat, until up to 3 years old
which i agree with
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is it just fatty food that makes you stink ??
sometimes, not always, coconut oil can make me smelly
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is it just fatty food that makes you stink ??
sometimes, not always, coconut oil can make me smelly
Some people are just smelly. Raw grass grazed butter doesn't make me smelly. Is it hard to get that in the UK? How about Daniel Vitalis and raw bison?
gat, until up to 3 years old
which i agree with
Cat? It would probably work well. Have you experience with babies on different diets? Or yourself?
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i meant goat
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on a serious note,
when I experimented with raw cow butter from high quality fed properly animals kept in good conditions, i definitely noticed my teeth stronger than ever , and I definitely noticed an increase in strength
the downside was i started experimenting with it in summer , and when I sweated it would stink
But that would mean everyone that weston price would visit would stink, because the most common argument from vegans is that meat/dairy eaters stink.
isnt body odor natural
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The stink is detox - it passes.
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Really ? ive never heard that theory before
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on a serious note,
... vegans is that meat/dairy eaters stink.
isnt body odor natural
Malodorous odor is detox. Hormonal aroma can be nice, now that I'm not vegan. I didn't like it sometimes before. Sometimes I'd feel ill by smelling it. I'm still not into musk perfumes. I never knew why so many people enjoy that. My sense of smell is much keener than when cooked semi-paleo as a kid.
Actually, when I was vegan, some meat eaters smelled much better to me than some vegans smelled to me.
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I had rather bad body odour pre-RPD diet, necessitating frequent use of deodorants plus 2 baths/showers a day. Switching to an RPD diet made it far less noticeable. I'll admit though that my body-odour was a little less on my raw vegan diet.
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I just tried Kerry Gold Grassfed Dubliners cheese for the first time. It is delicious!
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For me, sheep dairy kicks the butt of both cow and goat dairy. Not surprising given that sheep were domesticated before both goats and cows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication . (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication.) Also, fermented milk is supposed to be more digestible than unfermented.
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I find that I don't feel that good the morning after eating raw dairy and I feel worse with regular dairy.
First off, Organic Valley boils the raw milk only a few degrees under what is considered pasteurized. They also boil it a number of degrees above what is actually considered really raw cheese.
It is not really raw and they are calling their raw cheese raw. Most companies even if they are small are not as raw as they claim.
I do occasionally eat a small amount of raw goat cheese from Spain called, "Manchengo."
I am not totally sure about how raw it is but I eat it occasionally and it is o.k if you don't over-do it.
I do think that raw meats are healthier if they are grass fed and organic.
I do enjoy raw fish ..raw eggs if they are free range and so on.
Beware when people claim that their raw cheese is actually really raw. Do a bit of research on the company etc...
Good blog.
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Generally, if it's a soft cheese with a rind (like Tomme de Savoie, for instance), or if it's a blue cheese, then the cheese was not cooked during the cheesemaking. As to whether the milk was pasteurized, like you said, sometimes the cheese producer heats the milk to a point of not being raw, while still claiming the milk is raw.
Some harder cheeses are not cooked during the cheesemaking, but most are. Generally I avoid hard cheeses, though, because they don't undergo as much continuous fermentation after the cheese is made, and are, IMHO, nutritionally inferior.
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I do occasionally eat a small amount of raw goat cheese from Spain called, "Manchengo."
I am not totally sure about how raw it is but I eat it occasionally and it is o.k if you don't over-do it.
If you're buying it at a market and it doesn't say "raw" on the label, then it likely isn't, because they would definitely label it if it were (as people will pay more for raw than pasteurized). You could also ask to confirm. The head cheese people at my market are quite knowledgeable and able to answer all sorts of questions (they know things like that quince paste is traditionally served with tangy hard Spanish sheep cheeses like these)--maybe you'll be lucky and find a knowledgeable person there too.
Manchego is my 2nd favorite cheese after Zamorano. My local market has hundreds of cheeses, including many raw cheeses and little samples, and I've probably tried more than a couple dozen kinds. I digest raw Zamorano and Manchego so much better than any other cheese and they also taste so much better to me than others that if I couldn't get these cheeses I doubt I'd bother with cheese at all, except maybe the finest raw goat cheese. Because they're sheep cheeses they luckily also contain more nutrition than cow or goat cheeses, as sheep milk contains much more nutrients than cow or goat milk. Sheep milk is also reportedly more digestible, which matches my experience. Unfortunately, sheep cheese is also uber expensive.
http://curehappiness.com/2011/05/the-cheese-guide-1-cow-vs-goat-vs-sheep/ (http://curehappiness.com/2011/05/the-cheese-guide-1-cow-vs-goat-vs-sheep/)
http://www.sasheepdairy.co.za/index.php/benefits-of-sheep-s-milk (http://www.sasheepdairy.co.za/index.php/benefits-of-sheep-s-milk)
http://www.livestrong.com/article/377398-nutrition-information-for-sheep-cheese/#ixzz1tqwMDnyu (http://www.livestrong.com/article/377398-nutrition-information-for-sheep-cheese/#ixzz1tqwMDnyu)