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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Off Topic => Topic started by: kurite on April 19, 2010, 02:05:02 pm
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Hi
Just wondering what everyone thinks about the "dangers" of electric fields and if the jewelery that supposedly stops them actually does anything.
thanks
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For 99.999% of the population I doubt it's an issue. But there are some very strange, very rare individuals who do react to any kind of electrical activity of any kind. I have no idea how that works; perhaps a very few people can become hyper-sensitive to electricity due to some malfunction of the immune-system or something.
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I used to get irritated and anxious when seated under tube flourescent lights in work up until i got moved recently. The computer monitors still affect me somewhat, as does my car if im in it too long, and also ELF power lines if im near them too long.
RE EMF jewelry, I have experience with the Q-Link and Earthcalm pendants. I didn't feel any improvement with either, although I do believe the earthcalm to be effective in some cases judging from others experiences. I have the feeling the Q-Link though is a scam. Im considering giving the Merlin Balancing Amulet a try based on a recommendation here (http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/HealingAids4.html#), but am slothful to invest.
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Have problems with lap tops even with the wireless turned off.
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Well, I guess I must revise my notion that it's so rare. I still don't understand how one can become so hyper-sensitive to electrical activity.I presume that it is only a very recent phenomeon and only really started occurring in the 90s once people became particularly exposed to electronic gadgets.
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As an engineering student, I had to take two semesters of physics, and I can say that any claim that a piece of jewelry can stop an electric field is pure BS, and any person selling it and making crazy claims about greatly improved health, or even immortality, should be thrown in jail for quackery and false advertising. The only way to effectively shield yourself completely from an e-field would be to place either yourself or the source (or sink) of the e-field inside a faraday cage. Furthermore, an electromagnetically charged ring would more likely increase the e-field of anything inside it.
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Basic physics tells us that electrical fields can and do affect the way our bodies work.
What happens and to whom and how much and by what form of radiation is a very new field of inquiry, already corrupted with disinformation, misinformation etc.
I recently did a basic science experiment to test this by drying identical beef strip in a Lex dryer (low to zero radiation) and an Excalibur dryer (strong 60 Hz field).
Result was that the pemmican made from jerky made in a Lex dryer tastes better, so yes, electrical fields make a difference.
Note that modern life is in a constant field of pulsed radiation varying in strength and frequency and other characteristics. Paleoman did not have to live like this.
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I totally agree about pulsed signals - especially digital signals. Never in the history of Earth have lifeforms been subjected to pulsed digital signals. Dirty EM abounds and there's no telling the impact at the cellular level.
Also, mobile phone signals cause over-permeation of the blood-brain barrier - how's that for a payload on your carrier wave!
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We learned this in Physics class that the first generation exposed to all these electric fields and radio waves (talking about really exposed not minimal like when it was invented) haven't really hit the old age yet, so no one would really no if they can affect our health a lot or not. Some claim it eventually will, based on the fact that too much of anything would be poisonous to our body.
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I recently did a basic science experiment to test this by drying identical beef strip in a Lex dryer (low to zero radiation) and an Excalibur dryer (strong 60 Hz field).
Result was that the pemmican made from jerky made in a Lex dryer tastes better, so yes, electrical fields make a difference.
In Lex's jerky maker, 60Hz 120V alternating current runs through a filament (in the lightbulb), generating heat.
In the Excalibur, I would think that the same basic mechanism is used (current running through some kind of wire/filament).
Were the Lex dryer and Excalibur set to the same temperature?
Maybe in the Excalibur, the meat is closer to the filament than in the Lex-box, and that is why it gets more EMF exposure...
Have you tried drying meat in the sun? If your theory is correct, sun-dried meat should taste even better than Lex-box-dried meat.
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In Lex's jerky maker, 60Hz 120V alternating current runs through a filament (in the lightbulb), generating heat.
In the Excalibur, I would think that the same basic mechanism is used (current running through some kind of wire/filament).
Were the Lex dryer and Excalibur set to the same temperature?
Maybe in the Excalibur, the meat is closer to the filament than in the Lex-box, and that is why it gets more EMF exposure...
Have you tried drying meat in the sun? If your theory is correct, sun-dried meat should taste even better than Lex-box-dried meat.
There is a much higher amperage draw for the heating element and associated fan in an Excalibur than there is for the light bulb in a Lex Box.
I would assume the higher the amperage running through the circuit the larger the field but I don't have a strong knowledge of electricity so can't confirm this.
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^^^correct, the higher the current the stronger the field.
i recently bought a gauss meter to measure fields around my house, and was surprised to learn of the very high fields emanating from my electric oven, off the scale (greater than 100mG) about 2 feet away. I've wondered if it affects the food i prepare but seeing as its such a low frequency at 60hz (much larger wavelength size than the food size itself) I doubt the effect is anything significant. its far better off anyways than using a microwave oven, where wavelengths are at closer sizes to the food particles, and therefore create more resonance altering the food much more dramatically.
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^^^correct, the higher the current the stronger the field.
i recently bought a gauss meter to measure fields around my house, and was surprised to learn of the very high fields emanating from my electric oven, off the scale (greater than 100mG) about 2 feet away. I've wondered if it affects the food i prepare but seeing as its such a low frequency at 60hz (much larger wavelength size than the food size itself) I doubt the effect is anything significant.
I thought so too, until I tasted the difference.
It looks like wood, gas, geothermal or solar are the paleo-correct options. Until then, the Lex dryer works well.
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what is the lex dryer?
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I don't know if the jewelry works. Is it magnetic? I think you can work on repairing your fields by laying on the natural ground forty minutes a day in conjunction with a RVAF diet.
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As an engineering student, I had to take two semesters of physics, and I can say that any claim that a piece of jewelry can stop an electric field is pure BS, and any person selling it and making crazy claims about greatly improved health, or even immortality, should be thrown in jail for quackery and false advertising. The only way to effectively shield yourself completely from an e-field would be to place either yourself or the source (or sink) of the e-field inside a faraday cage. Furthermore, an electromagnetically charged ring would more likely increase the e-field of anything inside it.
Did you study subtle energies and their effect on the human bioenergy field as a part of you physics modules? Id be surprised if you did. Ide say it will be quite a few years before this stuff filters down into the education system. Sure its not yet even recognized globally as a real issue..
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what is the lex dryer?
Look in the culinary section; Lex, a member here on the forum, has instructions on how to build a very inexpensive DIY drying box. It's essentially a cardboard box with horizontal racks inside and a light bulb hanging into it to give the temperature differential needed to dry out the meat adequately.
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what is the lex dryer?
http://www.traditionaltx.us/images/JerkyDrierInstructions.pdf
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Did you study subtle energies and their effect on the human bioenergy field as a part of you physics modules? Id be surprised if you did. Ide say it will be quite a few years before this stuff filters down into the education system. Sure its not yet even recognized globally as a real issue..
It's quite logical and even highly desirable that physics modules do not teach much about this topic. For very good reasons.
First it is not a matter of physics but rather of biology or perhaps biophysics.
Second we do not yet seriously understand the subtle effects of electromagnetic radiation at frequencies up to the infrared on living organisms. Mainly because we do not yet understand seriously the living organisms themselves.
The effect that is well documented is the thermal effect in particular in the microwave range ( the one emitted by mobile phones, WIFI, cordless phones ). A mobile phone in use "cooks" (a little bit) the brain or other tissues of the user.
More subtle effects certainly exist but are not yet well documented and thus controversial. A most likely one of great concern is the possible perturbation of cell membrane properties and blood-brain barrier.
Clearly these artificial electromagnetic fields are not paleo. Jewelry or other claimed protecting device certainly do not work. Just bullshit.
RPD certainly helps to limit adverse effects. It is wise to avoid heavy exposure (no cordless phone or WIFI, no need IMO, mobile phone use with ear device etc..)
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I thought so too, until I tasted the difference.
It looks like wood, gas, geothermal or solar are the paleo-correct options. Until then, the Lex dryer works well.
I think I may have found an answer to this, today I preheated my oven and then switched it off at the wall just before throwing in my meat, i then let it heat in the ambient temp of the oven. worked a charm...
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not that I'm an expert on this, but wouldn't it cool down well prior to actually drying the meat?
the dryer mentioned above is pretty easy to make, but even at its highest temp I think still takes days to dry.
did you use a thermometer?
I think I may have found an answer to this, today I preheated my oven and then switched it off at the wall just before throwing in my meat, i then let it heat in the ambient temp of the oven. worked a charm...
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sorry i should have mentioned, im only heating my meat out of the fridge, not dehydrating, i throw it in for 5minutes on low temp, as cold meat just dont cut the mustard for me..
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I would avoid Mobile phones and Wifi like the plague. I even think about my work collegue using his mobile in the work van. I can almost feel the radiation bouncing around the metal structure, he has the phone to his ear all day long.
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I would avoid Mobile phones and Wifi like the plague. I even think about my work collegue using his mobile in the work van. I can almost feel the radiation bouncing around the metal structure, he has the phone to his ear all day long.
A large scale experiment on the effects of microwave electromagnetic radiation on human brains is underway. ;)
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I think I may have found an answer to this, today I preheated my oven and then switched it off at the wall just before throwing in my meat, i then let it heat in the ambient temp of the oven. worked a charm...
I like that. Well done. I'm going to have to remember that. :)
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Ive been thinking more about this. If heating food in an oven affects the food, then what about boiling water in a kettle? According to my gaussmeter the 50-60hz fields from both appliances are almost identical in strength. Im guessing this has a profound effect on the water. Mr Emoto's Message from Water experiments come to mind. I'm considering investing in the kettle in the second link below. I'll update if theres any difference in taste..
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm
http://www.adagio.uk.com/teaware/water_kettle.html?SID=690be57f33300c4204ed88e
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I used to get irritated and anxious when seated under tube flourescent lights in work up until i got moved recently. The computer monitors still affect me somewhat, as does my car if im in it too long, and also ELF power lines if im near them too long.
RE EMF jewelry, I have experience with the Q-Link and Earthcalm pendants. I didn't feel any improvement with either, although I do believe the earthcalm to be effective in some cases judging from others experiences. I have the feeling the Q-Link though is a scam. Im considering giving the Merlin Balancing Amulet a try based on a recommendation here (http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/HealingAids4.html#), but am slothful to invest.
Re the fluorescent light bulbs, they flicker at a rate which may be just around the point of being seen or just below that point but, that flickering can cause issues. I remember seeing some studies which talked about that. Also the actual light quality may be an issue as it may affect the visual system.
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As an engineering student, I had to take two semesters of physics, and I can say that any claim that a piece of jewelry can stop an electric field is pure BS, and any person selling it and making crazy claims about greatly improved health, or even immortality, should be thrown in jail for quackery and false advertising. The only way to effectively shield yourself completely from an e-field would be to place either yourself or the source (or sink) of the e-field inside a faraday cage. Furthermore, an electromagnetically charged ring would more likely increase the e-field of anything inside it.
Bearing in mind that virtually all the electrical engineers I know (I've worked with hundreds) ignore the effect of electrical fields or they would not let workers go out in switch yards to work on the units. Indeed they wouldn't go themselves. It used to be that these electrical engineers used to send guys out to work on electrical systems knowing full well that the mortality rate of electrical workers used to be around 50%. Electrical engineers live in a self-created Faraday cage because they know that if the real dangers of electrical generation were to be objectively studied they might end up out of a job.
Having said that I am quite content to enjoy the fruits of their labour. BTW I am not an electrical worker, I worked for a huge utility company.
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I learned how to dowse about a year ago out of curiosity. It's quite amazing and a bit unbelievable until you try it.
I dowsed the rooms in my house and part of our property. I found out some interesting things.
1. After dowsing our bedroom for Hartmann lines I found one coming from an electrical outlet next to the bed. They typically come from places like that. Anyways I put a "cure" in place there. It dawned on me afterwards that my iPod and my GF's iPod would crash very frequently in the night time when we put it on the stand there. But after the "cure" they crashed no more.
2. I dowsed the living room for the same sort of things (there are a number of things you can dowse for that will affect mechanical and electrical devices as well as a person's health) and "cured" it and then we had an earthquake (5.8 ).
A couple of months after the earthquake we had a group of people over to the house for a retreat in which we were hooked up via Skype to the teacher. I tried everything and could not get the video to work, so we ended up just doing audio. A week later I decided to redo the dowsing for the house and sure enough the earthquake had moved the line away from the spot where I had "cured" it initially and when I redid the cure the computer works perfectly there.
In the basement the cracks in the floor correspond exactly with the results of the dowsing rods. Sounds goofy but it really is true.
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my dad is a electrical engineer - i can assure you that electricity affects human beings.
Also since he was an electrical engineer we lived 14 years (my age 8 to 22) on top of two/three 20,000 Volt transformers (it sounds insane now - this is the first evidence that he was not thinking rationally when he moved 3 small kids to live on top live transformers for free accomodation).
i can assure you brains and organs of each member of the family are cooked.
my mom had to had her uterus removed at age 45. my sister's uterus is dysfunctional - she can never have kids. Strange tumors kept showing up in my mums body - as long as we lived there she used to have regular biopsies for suspected cancer - this phenonmenon went away when she moved away from those transformer - infact people used to comment that she started looking 10 years younger.
come to think of it now i realized that my favorite room was the one which was furthest from the transformers - it was the hotest room in the house where temperatures soared to 115+ degrees in peak summer (this is summer time in delhi, india) - but i still loved that room.
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Wow Turkish,
That fits exactly with what I learned from Marie Diamond in her dowsing course. Believe it or not a dowser could have cured the house you lived in for the issues you had. Marie tells stories exactly like the experience of your family. She says that people will naturally avoid areas in a house that have these issues. Places like electrical panels. But you can neutralize that issue.
Cats love the spots in a house that have negative vortices. Dogs hate them. Pine trees grow well near negative areas.
If you or your family have chronic health issues it may be that you are sleeping in a bad spot. Move your bed is the easiest solution.
A lot of the issues are caused by the modern conveniences we have like electricity sources and devices, RF sources like radio/cell towers. But the good news is that you can neutralize them quite easily.
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Raw-al,
can you guide as to how to do that?
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Well the short answer is take the course from Marie Diamond. It is a very well done course with tons of info. She was a lawyer.
http://www.learningstrategies.com/Dowsing/FAQ
It's 350 USD, but it is on sale at various times and they seem to drop the price if you express interest and then wait awhile.
However it's not rocket science. There's a forum there but it's not used much.
There are also associations all over for people who meet and talk about dowsing. I suspect there are some in your local area.
http://www.canadiandowsers.org/
She sells the dowsing rods for a couple of bucks I think or you can make some or buy them online, but you do have to know how to use them.
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At the risk of blowing you off it would be a bigger topic than I could answer in a post. If I think of another way I'll contact you.
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If you ground yourself often it is no problem. By grounding I mean touching the earth.
David Wolfe sells a grounding blanket for about 150 dollars.
I made a similar device spending less than ten dollars at home depot, less pretty though.
Attach a wire to any ground in your house and touch the wire, you are instantly connected electronically to the earth.
I make no claims to the efficacy but it makes sense to me, in a way.
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raw-al,
thanks.
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An inexpensive source for nice dowsing rods:
http://www.lightlifetechnology.com/Dowsing-s/228.htm
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1. After dowsing our bedroom for Hartmann lines I found one coming from an electrical outlet next to the bed. They typically come from places like that. Anyways I put a "cure" in place there. It dawned on me afterwards that my iPod and my GF's iPod would crash very frequently in the night time when we put it on the stand there. But after the "cure" they crashed no more.
I thought Hartmann lines are supposed to be everywhere distributed in a grid formation... Maybe you found a signal from a crack in the earth crust beneath the place or some other thing.
How did you cure it?