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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet => Topic started by: tehshyt on July 28, 2010, 11:42:11 am
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Lately there have been three main sources of carbs for my diet. I am interested in the opinions of those who subscribe to LC/VLC Paleo diets.
So, which is best, and WHY?
1. Watermelon
2. Berries
3. Tomato
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Definately not tomato just because its a nightshade.
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Coconuts
Raw nuts
Durian
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I'm allergic to coconuts and every nut i've ever tried.
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Tomato hands down.Who cares if it's a nightshade? oooo....a nightshade.Boogeyman is gonna get you -d
The point is,since I'm RVLC,I would use the tomato because it still is enzymatically compatible with meats.It doesn't interfere with digesting meats similar to cucumbers or celery.
Watermelon is the worst.High like hell in sugar and you can't eat anything else with it.
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coconut butter
lemon water
animals
(primary sustenance)
If I eat berries , it seems to have an adverse effect on energy levels and overall well being
If I eat vegtables , it seems to interferer with meat digestion.
I can handle some watermelon on a really hot and sweaty day.
(on an empty stomach)
tomato's are neutral for me, so I rarely bother with them(hard to get good quality )
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Watermelon is the worst.High like hell in sugar and you can't eat anything else with it.
Watermelon is one of the most low sugar sweet fruits, 7.6g carbs per 100g vs. tomatoes which are 3.5g/100g. Watermelon taste a hundred times better then tomatoes so therefore watermelon wins :)
Just to give you an idea of how ridiculous your comment is, blueberries contain 14.5g carbs/100g, would you classify blueberries as being high like hell in sugar???
@op I would choose watermelon as this is the easiest fruit to get ripe, has pretty much the same or less sugar content then berries and watermelons are one of the best tasting fruits around.
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Just to give you an idea of how ridiculous your comment is, blueberries contain 14.5g carbs/100g, would you classify blueberries as being high like hell in sugar???
I believe this to be an insult or at least thats how I would take it. As for your reasoning - Whenever I consume watermelon it is usually in much, much greater quantity (by weight) than blueberries and just as an educated guess since watermelon has a much higher percentage of it as water implying that its fibrous content is much lower than that of blueberries and so when eating equal amounts of sugar from both fruits my blood sugar is going to surge higher for watermelon than it is for blueberries. I would guess watermelon's glycemic index to be higher than blueberries and if you assume this to be a bad thing then eating watermelon is going to worse for the majority of the people here. I don't think many people ever eat by weight of fruit and instead eat by how they feel. I mean with your logic, drinking a cup of water with added sugar less than 7.6% of the total should be better than watermelon. Why not do this and drop a vitamin C tab in it and just never eat fruit to begin with?
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Sorry if the comment offended you paleo donk but its true, watermelon isn't high as hell in sugar(atleast compared to fruits that are). If you don't tolerate watermelon I have a simple solution, don't eat it. Glycemic index is flawed, its all about glycemic load.
Per 100g blueberries contain 84.2g of water and 14.5g sugar, watermelon is 91.4 and 7.6. 6 more grams of water isn't gonna make a huge difference(is it?)
No need to feel insulted.
By the way this comment,
Whenever I consume watermelon it is usually in much, much greater quantity (by weight) than blueberries
has no bearing on the sugar content of watermelon, I don't know why you would have to consume it in much greater quantities?
Why not do this and drop a vitamin C tab in it and just never eat fruit to begin with?
Because fruit is much more then just sugar, water, vitamin c?? :)
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By the way this comment,
Whenever I consume watermelon it is usually in much, much greater quantity (by weight) than blueberries
has no bearing on the sugar content of watermelon, I don't know why you would have to consume it in much greater quantities?
I am not arguing that watermelon is "low" in sugar. The point is that it does not necessarily matter what percentage of the food is sugar. I would easily wager that most people consume watermelon in much greater quantities than berries by weight and so of course this is going to have an enormous impact. Who eats by weight? Most of us eat by calories and satisfaction of hunger and so in the real world a greater amount of weight of watermelons is needed to satisfy hunger than that of berries. Looking at the glycemic index or load or whatever (you can't just dismiss something all together in fell swoop with a few words) by caloric content is going to be much worse for watermelon than berries.
As for the argument that 6g of water isn't going to make a difference -Look at the ratio of water to sugar its about 6:1 for blueberries and about 12:1 for watermelon, a substantial difference which is going to equate to more easily digested nutrition into the bloodstream for the watermelon which actually could be good for those who have bowel troubles with larger amounts of fiber.
As for being insulted. It is not your decision how I feel and has no bearing on what I believe. Feelings are just that, they exist regardless of whether or not the underlying thoughts that made a person feel that way are correct. I didn't personally feel insulted but I felt that the original wording you chose to attack the argument was intended as an insult or at least to make yourself look superior in some way. Perhaps this is wrong since this is the internet and I cannot readily gather all the pertinent information to make an informed decision but I am leaning towards insult.
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A higher water to sugar ratio would be better, no? I don't get what your trying to say
Most of us eat by calories and satisfaction of hunger
I would hope so, lets compare watermelon and blueberries by calories,
blueberries(393g) 200calories, 54g carbs
Watermelon(668g) 200 calories, 50.4g carbs.
So you get to eat more watermelon, get less sugar and more nutrition. If your eating by hunger watermelon seems like a better option? Granted blueberries have a tiny bit more fiber but this may actually be a detriment like you stated.
As for your argument about glycemic index, glycemix index is just the measurement of how fast a carbohydrate source digest. I dunno about you but fast digesting carbohydrates are what I'm looking for, I don't want food sticking around inside me and taking too long to digest. The only time carbs should really come into play should be after a workout imo and the main goal for post workout nutrition is to get the most fast digesting carbs and proteins available for muscle recovery.
I don't get how my labeling of someones comment as ridiculous is an insult, especially when you look at in context of his post.
FYI my post is my experience, if you can't tolerate watermelon then ignore my post? The OP specifically asked about this fruit tho indicating he can tolerate it. I'm not telling anyone they have to eat watermelon :)
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A higher water to sugar ratio would be better, no? I don't get what your trying to say
This again shows faulty logic and reasoning. Percentage of water or sugar or calories in a food does not necessarily mean anything. There is no yes or no answer here. If you think so, then again just dilute some sugar with water and drink for your easily digesting post workout carb meal.
So you get to eat more watermelon, get less sugar and more nutrition. If your eating by hunger watermelon seems like a better option?
Again, poor reasoning and a poor question to pose. If watermelon is easily digested it makes it harder to control hunger for most which will likely cause watermelon to be overeaten in the real world. I don't know one indigenous tribe that eats watermelon but nearly all of them eat berries. This is getting way off topic to the OP and is just a pointless argument over nothing that actually matters.
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If you think so, then again just dilute some sugar with water and drink for your easily digesting post workout carb meal.
You say I have faulty logic but keep referring back to this comment, as if sugar water equals watermelon. So lets get down to the real debate, what makes blueberries better then watermelon? You realize the water content of melon makes it one of the hardest fruit to over eat?? It would be much easier to over eat on berries seeing how you get the same amount of calories from half the weight.
If watermelon is easily digested it makes it harder to control hunger for most which will likely cause watermelon to be overeaten in the real world.
Who uses watermelon to control hunger?? 200 calories of berries will control hunger better then 200 calories of melon? Not imo. If your interested in controlling hunger eat more fat :)
I don't know one indigenous tribe that eats watermelon but nearly all of them eat berries.
Watermelon is indigenous to south america, where humans evovled. It was no doubt apart of the human diet at some point in the paleo era. It was probably used as its used today in africa as a source of clean water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citron_melon
Kung eat cooked melon,
The melons and roots are more usually eaten cooked.
http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-3f.shtml
(http://img2.photographersdirect.com/img/5171/wm/pd2214866.jpg)
This is getting way off topic to the OP and is just a pointless argument over nothing that actually matters.
I agree, don't know why you initiated it and I still don't get your point. Is there some mystery factor to watermelon that makes it more harmful then berries?
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This will be my last thoughts since I've already wasted too much space and my posts are not really important but my instinct to fight is alive and so my debate goes on. I'm not sure exactly what I'm arguing but I do see some flaws in your argument.
Namely that watermelon is harder to overconsume than berries. Overconsume is not a well defined word to begin with so think of it however way you wish. I find that juice which is just fiberless fruit the easiest to consume and easiest to overconsume as I have in the past been able to drink a couple quarts of mango juice effortlessly. Even fresh squeezed juice is quite easy to overconsume. Watermelon is one of the closest fruits we have to juice. Even the name implies it so at just .4% fiber. Blueberries on the other hand have 6 times as much fiber as watermelon and its this fibrous mass that I believe allows us to consume the fruit at a more 'natural' level. I can haphazardly explain it as so - For the fruit's sake it probably wants us to eat as much as possible as long as its seeds get deposited with adequate human fertilizer and so perhaps its this fiber that is important for ejecting seeds properly.
I also have to question your line about water being satiating and thus making hard to overconsume fruits with lots of water. There is an experiment I read about thanks to Good Calories Bad Calories where they give rats some sucrose water as their only source of calories. The rats will continue to drink the water and sucrose solution all the way until it is diluted up to 98% water. Yes, they would be very bloated but the urge to get the correct caloric content is there and I would assume very similar to humans as there are plenty of fruitarians that eat enormous volumes of fruit every day with loads and loads of water.
Many of us here do use fruits to control hunger. Why else eat them? There is an urge to eat some carbohydrate and fruits seem like a natural raw choice. I would choose a fruit that satisfies my hunger best so in that sense the fruits we eat do control a certain part of our hunger.
Overall this makes it seem that berries are probably more worthwhile to consume. Though, and this is an important distinction - when one is attempting to heal the body, different foods can have a significant advantage over foods that a healthy body can process and is the reason so many vegetarians to the juice fasting bit as this does help temporarily regulate their digestive systems. And so watermelons can be far better than berries for some and like you said self-experimentation is key.
The fact that the Kung eat the melon cooked is not satisfying to me as this implies something not right with its raw state.
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Blackberries are considered one of the most paleo fruits.
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Cliff,no need to be a smartass.Your science doesn't impress me.
I was speaking from an enzymic and RVLC point of view.The tomato can be eaten together with meat if desired.Watermelon can't.It's that simple.The point is that in a 24hr period you wouldn't have eaten any enzymatically incompatible foods,so digestion would be optimal and remain RVLC.End of story.
Btw,I'm not trying to impress anyone,I'm just answering the OP's question.Feel free to provide your own answers,but it's not necessary or welcome to attack other people's answers.
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Watermelons have been domesticated longer. Less purer genes? Not as close to wild ancestor maybe.
Watermelon originated in Africa, and are much smaller than the domesticated version. Blueberries are native to Canada I think. But still, domesticated blueberries are a bit different than wild ones.
Here is a pic of wild raspberries vs domesticated ones. Yes they are different kinds of raspberries (one being black raspberries the other being red raspberries) but wild red raspberries are the same size of wild black raspberries generally. So the comparison still makes sense. ;)
Pictures taken by myself.
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/DSCN5266.jpg)
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/DSCN5264.jpg)
I would suggest trying out some wild plant foods ;). It is fun to go out picking them!
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The point is,since I'm RVLC,I would use the tomato because it still is enzymatically compatible with meats.It doesn't interfere with digesting meats similar to cucumbers or celery.
Are you saying that cucumbers and celery digest the same as meat? If so, how do you figure that..?
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Sully, they are some mothers of domesticated raspberries you have there!! I've never managed to buy raspberries anywhere near that size which is maybe a good thing. I would dearly love to be able to go picking wild raspberries but, despite much searching on my walks and travels, I've only found them once here in the UK! But, I make do with wild blackberries which, as you've discovered with the raspberries, are quite delicious and from a different planet to the blackberries available in the shops.
Nice pics btw!
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Michael
Nice, never had wild blackberries. I would like to try some wild blueberries.
I have had my share of wild plants though. Some I know are native to the USA some I don't know.
Some fruits I picked are wild turned domesticated, some fruits in people's yards are of course domesticated (which I usually stay away from).
THESE ARE PICTURES I HAVE TAKEN, OF FROM WHAT I KNOW TO BE 100% WILD & MAYBE NATIVE TO WISCONSIN TOO
CHOKE CHERRIES
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/DSCN5280.jpg)
BLACK RASPBERRIES
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/DSCN5211.jpg)
BLACK WALNUT
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/DSCN4045.jpg)
WILD GRAPE: HMMMM I READ THERE ARE NATIVE GRAPES i FIND THESE EVERYWHERE, ESPECIALLY BY RIVERS
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/8-26-083.jpg)
There is a tiny red plum which may be native to Wisconsin that I find. It is indeed tiny. About the size of those large marbles. I will post a pic when they ripen.
PICTURES I TAKEN FROM WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE 100% DOMESTICATED NON-NATIVE FRUITS THAT I FIND IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD
(ALTHOUGH STILL BETTER THAN STORE BOUGHT)
GOLDEN PLUM?: GETS A RICH YELLOW/GOLD WHEN FULLY RIPE
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/DSCN0134.jpg)
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/DSCN0133.jpg)
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/DSCN4035.jpg)
UMMM, KINDA.....SHIT I FORGOT THE NAME, SOME KIND OF NUT, MAYBE NATIVE, MEAT LIKE...PECAN AND WALNUT
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/CopyofDSCN0069.jpg)
TART CHERRY
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/TartCherry3.jpg)
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/TartCherry2.jpg)
BLACK MULBERRY: HMMMM, I THINK THERE IS A SPECIES NATIVE TO USA, THIS MAY NOT BE THOUGH
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/BlackMulberry1.jpg)
APPLES (NOT THE WILD GRAPES)
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/8-26-081.jpg)
PEARS
(http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r85/Junts2005/Hunting-Gathering/DSCN0046.jpg)
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Sully: Nice pics man.
Miles:What I am saying is that when meat is eaten with vegetables or a "neutral" fruit like the tomato/avocado/cucumber(depending on what your definition of fruit is) there is no enzymic conflict.
So,the foods can be eaten at the same time Which means that in 24 hour period you can eat anything from the VLC menu at any time if you know which foods to include.
Example: Meat & bananas/watermelon/cantalope don't mix well.Likely to cause digestive problems.
However,Meat & tomato/cucumber/celery/radish/avocado no problems.Why?Because there is no enzymic conflict when eating these,even at the same time.
So,meat & vegetables don't digest the same,but at least there is no "conflict".
Btw,I rated watermelon the worst because it's most likely to cause digestive problems when eaten with meat compared to tomato and berries.Why?Because melons are the fruits,more than any other, that should be eaten by themselves because of their enzymic characteristics.
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Absolutely superb pictures Sully! Your wild pickings are always a joy to see. You are, without doubt, the wild food King of the forum! :)
You certainly seem to have a real abundance in your area of wild and domesticated fruit & nuts as well as an amazing selection of domesticated varieties. It's fascinating to see images of the foods forum members around the world have available to them and the diversity is always a reminder of the wonder and beauty of nature.
I've never been able to find anywhere near the range of foods you regularly demonstrate. Perhaps I don't look hard enough or perhaps my knowledge is, simply, not as extensive as your own as to what's edible and what isn't. I did certainly enjoy the blackberries last year and lived on them and beef jerky during a 3 day hiking/camping trip. Hopefully, I'll be repeating that this year and will keep a lookout for more variety.
Locally, along with the ubiquitous blackberries, I have located wild sources of small yellow plums, a walnut tree (very rare around here!) and various domesticated, but seemingly untended, apples and pears overhanging people's garden fences. These supplied a good 'harvest' last year but the squirrels robbed most of the walnuts! :)
KS, do you subscribe to the food combining principles of the Hay diet? I used to be into this many years ago and did find it helpful.
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@king salmon
Can we see some literature on this whole enzymatically correct theory?? Why could I not eat watermelon then eat meat 15 minutes later?
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Michael
Thanks, I do have abundance, but no matter where I have been, for some reason I seem to spot edibles very easily. It is kind of weird, as I scan the trees/bushes things just keep popping up in my vision. I also have a mental map of areas to check out each year.
The photos are not all recent and span any where from 1-2 years ago. It's important to know when certain foods ripen, they are there, but only at certain times.
I have been gathering for about two years. So I know quite a few places in my mind where pickings are good. And yeah fruit trees that are abandoned, as far as care, are everywhere.
What kind of walnut tree? English or black walnut? English Walnuts don't grow here. However, when I went to Jordan, in the mountainous areas I saw an English walnut tree. My brother cracked one open and ate it.
On food mixing, it's very interesting, if you eat things close together it would make sense to eat the quickest digesting food first. Or eat them on separate days or hours apart. I don't know, but certain foods mix better than others. I can eat acidic fruits with nuts, but something like a banana, dates, would cause problems if I eat it with nuts, or right after I eat nuts. No problems if I eat it before the nuts, which confirms the theory of quicker digesting foods should be eat first if your eating in one meal. But pure fat, seems to mix well with many things, maybe cause it has no proteins etc. I don't know.
I also wonder how paleo man would have felt when he ate some wild fruits after not eating them in say 6-9 months. Digestion problems? Only ate a little at a time? Ate it with meat? Ate it only when there was no meat? Who knows.
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..for some reason I seem to spot edibles very easily. It is kind of weird, as I scan the trees/bushes things just keep popping up in my vision. I also have a mental map of areas to check out each year.
These are rare and wonderful skills to have Sully and you seem to have acquired them relatively quickly. Imagine how advanced your knowledge could be in 5-10 years time?! I look forward to your first 'Wild Foods' book! :)
What kind of walnut tree? English or black walnut? English Walnuts don't grow here. However, when I went to Jordan, in the mountainous areas I saw an English walnut tree. My brother cracked one open and ate it.
It's an English walnut. We ate a whole bunch roasted(!!) on my friends log burner around Christmas. They were pretty amazing! I've never seen or tried the black walnuts but judging by your pictures the seem quite different. I've used black walnut tinctures in the past as part of parasite cleanse programs. It's be good to have access to these but I'm not sure if we get the black variety in England.
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Yeah but imagine thousands upon thousands of years of knowledge passed down. Dang, a lot of knowledge has been lost....
Hah, yeah that would be a good idea for a book. To tell the truth, I could survive in the wild with nothing but a sling shot. In fact, I don't even need a slingshot. I got so close to deer yesterday. Walking through the woods. I wasn't even stalking them. Imagine me with a spear!
That's interesting that you have english walnuts in England, but I have never seen one here in Wisconsin. I thought the weather was similar.
Anywho, black walnuts are native to Wisconsin. And I think English walnuts are native to England. Perhaps that's the way it should be. ;)
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Yes, let's pledge right now to keep the walnuts native! :)
Hey, you probably wouldn't even need a spear Sully. From what I recall, you're rather useful at martial arts aren't you?
Indeed, there has been much knowledge wasted and lost. Whether it's been part of a deliberate plan or an unfortunate consequence, humanity has been delivered into a crazy zoo where most people have no clue how to do anything practical! We exist in a global culture where most things can be purchased, replaced and disposed of without consideration of the impact or consequences. But, as is becoming increasingly recognised, it is unsustainable. Things must change and, indeed, there are signs of change everywhere. The knowledge that has been lost must be found or re-learned. You could be a part of this re-learning Sully. You could be a vital part of the needed change.
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Yeah let's keep em native hah! But if one manages to float across the ocean by chance so be it!
I actually thought about trying to choke out a deer. I Have lots of confidence. Rear naked choke on the back. Cut off the blood to the brain would knock it out. Then finish it off before it regains consciousness. I wonder if would take me for a ride through the woods or try to fight me off. I could get it to the ground and stab or clobber it. Deer are no where near as ferocious as bison. Put me in a cage with a deer bare hands. Dead within 10 minutes. I would even film it in my life time if it weren't for peta and animal lovers. It is a spectacle, but hey, who said I will do it all the time? haha!
For sure, throw a random person in the wild and if they find a deer carcass they will starve to death because they can't make a fire (thinking they have to cook it). They would probably try some poisonous berries first. hah But I feel the world slowing is changing for the better in some cases. Eliminate money and most people would be like....What do I do now?.... And yeah that's my goal, change myself to influence change in the world, the internet is the illness and the cure at the same time. Hah
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You wouldn't have to let go of the choke/strange to finish it.. You just hold the choke/strangle a few seconds longer after someone/something goes unconscious, and they will be dead.. You can also chase down the deer to wear it out first, and then when it is exhausted or close, you can finish it off by strangulation.
And yes, this is how I feel as well Sully...
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I actually thought about trying to choke out a deer. I Have lots of confidence. Rear naked choke on the back. Cut off the blood to the brain would knock it out. Then finish it off before it regains consciousness. I wonder if would take me for a ride through the woods or try to fight me off. I could get it to the ground and stab or clobber it. Deer are no where near as ferocious as bison. Put me in a cage with a deer bare hands. Dead within 10 minutes. I would even film it in my life time if it weren't for peta and animal lovers. It is a spectacle, but hey, who said I will do it all the time? haha!
You're in for a surprise. They're quite a bit stronger than they look. I was along side a stream with my parents' two dogs and they flushed out a baby fawn (maybe 18" at the withers). After they had cornered it I had to step in and grab the fawn to move it so the dogs wouldn't kill the thing (per my mother's request). For the small size of the thing it had surprising strength. I personally do not feel I could take down a full size deer right now if the strength increase linear to the size (and it's probably more of an exponential increase).
Also be really careful of the hooves if you do go for one. Like any other hooved animal they'll strike and it will seriously mess you up if they hit you squarely.
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Yes, I was kind of joking about taking down the deer with your martial art skills, Sully! Dan makes a wise point to take great caution if you seriously consider trying this. I know from friends who work with horses how lethal they can be and would expect a deer - particularly one under attack - to be equally dangerous.
I admire your attitude, Sully, to first change yourself to influence change in the world. You have the right ideas.
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They will run first, before fighting, if you give them a chance. If you keep coming after them, and keep giving them the option, they will keep running and tire themselves out.
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They will run first, before fighting, if you give them a chance. If you keep coming after them, and keep giving them the option, they will keep running and tire themselves out.
Persistence hunting. This would most certainly be my own personal preference as, despite the years of eating RAF, I still feel as though I'm spiritually vegetarian. Perhaps it's a consequence of my Westernised upbringing but, unlike Sully, I'm not sure I could easily kill an animal - particularly animals that I really like such as deers, goats etc. The idea of persistence hunting appeals to this spirituality.
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They will run first, before fighting, if you give them a chance. If you keep coming after them, and keep giving them the option, they will keep running and tire themselves out.
True. But all that was mentioned is jumping on a deer's back and choking it out. ;)
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So Michael, what do you do when it's too tired to run any more? You still have to finish it off(that's when the strangulation should come in).
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So Michael, what do you do when it's too tired to run any more? You still have to finish it off(that's when the strangulation should come in).
Really?! I thought it just looked into your eyes, an exchange of spiritual respect and understanding took place and it passed away quietly accepting that it's lifeforce will live on within you? Seriously, I do recall a similar thing happening on that persistent hunting video that was linked to on the forum at some point? Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part! :)
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Well sure, but it's not going to be instant? You might have to wait a long time to be sure it's dead. It might rest a few days, try to get up, find food, not be able to move enough and then collapse again and die. I don't know. Besides, some might give up running sooner, when they might still be capable of regaining their health. Maybe not, I don't know.. Do you want to risk that you might be slicing open a live deer, when you could just cut off the blood to its' brain for a bit to be sure? At that point you have already caused it incredible damage by making it run so desperately.
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djr_81
I would only worry about a kick from the hooves, or a stab from a male's antler. I bite could hurt also.
It's a risk all hunting animals face. They have found dead wolves with hove prints in the head.
Technique and strength combined could make a deer a very easy kill. Although sometimes it could be quite hard to kill with much struggling.
It all depends.
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Oh guys, I wounded a rabbit and had to kill it with my bare hands. Grabbed it by the neck, and stabbed it in the heart. Killed a small bird too. Squeezed and broke it's neck.
If you choke it out. It will regain consciousness eventually. Cutting off the blood to the brain only keeps it out for a few moments. If you start cutting without a fatal blow it will surely awaken.
A fatal blow is necessary, brake a neck, stab heart or lungs. Stab neck and slice arteries. All are good ways.
Sounds gruesome and all, but imagine a lion explaining it to a crowd of average people. "Well, first I suffocated it, then my friends helped out by ripping it's flesh apart while it was still alive".
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Only if you let go soon after they go unconscious... If you hold it for a bit longer, they will be dead... But yes, it's worth it to make sure. I want to hear more about your unarmed hunting.
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Wild Rosa Canina fruits
(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6659/img637631.jpg) (http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4158/img637521.jpg)
(http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/1840/img637411.jpg)
Zero sweetness
Consist mainly of seeds
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??? Those are in my garden. I thought they were for birds only?
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??? Those are in my garden. I thought they were for birds only?
i remember as a kid seeing those all over and wanting to eat them but everyone told me id throw up and get sick so i never tried. im gonna eat em now
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i remember as a kid seeing those all over and wanting to eat them but everyone told me id throw up and get sick so i never tried. im gonna eat em now
Make sure you're eating something you have positively identified. There are numerous berries that look like that in North America.
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I thought they were for birds only?
No
They are for humans too (the highest vitamin C content - about 2000 mg! per 100 g)
I kinda like their texture and taste.
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Make sure you're eating something you have positively identified. There are numerous berries that look like that in North America.
I am going to have to double this statement. If you are the least unsure, dont eat it. But usually asking the elders in your community will soon reveal what is what. They are from a time in which they were taught these things.
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I am going to have to double this statement. If you are the least unsure, dont eat it. But usually asking the elders in your community will soon reveal what is what. They are from a time in which they were taught these things.
i feel like all real knoledge is being left behind, and replaced with facebook/movies/tv/bullshit. it kinda pisses me off