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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: goodsamaritan on November 05, 2010, 07:31:37 am
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For majority of the people who are sick with cancer or other diseases, the liver needs cleaning and nourishing. What better way to do this than with egg yolk liver flushing as the liver is nourished and cleansed at the same time.
If this is the first time you are doing a liver flush, you might want to take 1 carton of apple juice (not from concentrate) every day for 5 days as part of your daily diet. Apples have properties in them that soften liver stones and make the liver flow. This is good preparation.
Do this egg yolk liver flushing 4 straight mornings the moment you wake up. No drinking, no eating, just this flush immediately. No fasting necessary. Your sleep is already counted as your fast.
Read the full egg yolk liver flush protocol at http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols-and-treatments/liver-gall-bladder-flush/edwins-egg-yolk-liver-flushing/
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My liver was very conjested before I went paleo and I had attempted to do flushes in the past and would clear out tons of stones,but the congestion would return because I was still eatting the wrong foods. Once I cleaned myself up on the raw Paleo diet, then the liver issues went away completely,
Once clean you may want to keep up a more mild cleansing protocol that I have made part of my diet. I drink 2 glasses of lemon water a day and usually try to drink a couple of egg yolks, and I eat three tablespoons of coconut butter daily(basically I incorporated the liver flushing recipe ingredients into my staple diet and have had good results. I believe the mild cleansing and nourishing properties of the liver flushing foods have been a key ingredient of my new found wellness.
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Ah great, thanks for this GS
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Is the egg white a bad idea? When I've been eating raw eggs I usually take the whole egg in a glass and swallow it in two sips. I have started to like the egg white. Does anyone has long experience with both? whole egg or just yolks?
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Should one wait a certain amount to of time to eat after drinking the concoction, or can you just eat again once hungry?
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At least 30 minutes lie down.
Then you can do what you want.
If you feel a bit woozy or bad, your liver may be depleted of carbs, eat some 2 tablespoons of raw honey to quickly bounce back up.
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No offence, but what evidence or reasoning do any of you have that taking egg yolks 'flushes' your liver? What does that mean?
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Is the egg white a bad idea? When I've been eating raw eggs I usually take the whole egg in a glass and swallow it in two sips. I have started to like the egg white. Does anyone has long experience with both? whole egg or just yolks?
Some RVAFers among us are leery of raw egg-whites or even raw whole eggs. I would suggest eating just the raw yolk for now and NOT to focus on raw eggs as a mainstay of a raw diet.
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There isn't much data about the details behind why egg yolks cleanse the liver, but I believe that raw egg yolks do have some beneficial effects. The assumption is that the cholesterol within the yolk along with the vitamines and fats within, will saturate the liver if taken with oil and pushed through the stomach undigested by the action of the lemon. This sludge of yolk oil and citrus will work its way through the liver and trigger a release of bile and in the process the bile along with the cholesterol will soften liver stones and help clear away congestion. The liver gets congested and constipated and the flush acts like a nourishing liver laxative.
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No offence, but what evidence or reasoning do any of you have that taking egg yolks 'flushes' your liver? What does that mean?
It gets rid of liver garbage - when you poop it out, it smells like canal / sewage - that is from a dirty liver.
It gets out gall bladder stones / liver stones - the same results you get with a conventional olive oil liver flush, or when you open up a gall bladder loaded with the same stones.
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Fair enough if it feels good do it, but I'm quite skeptical of things like dissolving stones without seeing any evidence.
It would be worth stating that this is just an idea
:)
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Fair enough if it feels good do it, but I'm quite skeptical of things like dissolving stones without seeing any evidence.
It would be worth stating that this is just an idea
:)
I've done it three times. Got a boatload of stones out the first time. Nothing out the second and nothing out the third. From what I saw, it works
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I'm doing an Epsom salt Liver flush tonight, after that i want to try this Eggyolk liver flush. Should i wait a couple of days or 1 week before i do this eggyolk flush? Or can i just do it the next day? What would yield the best results? :)
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Epsom salt flushes are harsh and not necessary for people on the raw paleo. I did a couple of them in my sad days. I got tons of stones out and was relieved for a couple of weeks but as long as I was still eatting problem foods the congestion just came back. The egg yoke flush along with a raw paleo diet is about the best remedy for a clogged liver I have yet to discover.
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I'm doing an Epsom salt Liver flush tonight, after that i want to try this Eggyolk liver flush. Should i wait a couple of days or 1 week before i do this eggyolk flush? Or can i just do it the next day? What would yield the best results? :)
Wait for a week.
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Fair enough if it feels good do it, but I'm quite skeptical of things like dissolving stones without seeing any evidence.
It would be worth stating that this is just an idea
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Liver flushing is fact for thousands of years.
There are many ways to do it, this is just one of them.
I cured my liver cancer allegedly terminal, 6 months to live, no erection for 8 years, plumber with a combination of herbal colon cleansing and this egg yolk liver flushing.
http://www.curemanual.com/2010/10/liver-cancer-cured-mang-bens-video-testimony/
And we can repeat this kind of success to millions of people around the world who need healing.
I would like to see the day all those chemotherapy frauds go bankrupt.
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So I take it extra virgin olive oil and lemon juice will work just as well as substitutes being as its mentioned on the site?
I think I am going to give this a run tomorrow morning--anything I should know before hand?
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So I take it extra virgin olive oil and lemon juice will work just as well as substitutes being as its mentioned on the site?
I think I am going to give this a run tomorrow morning--anything I should know before hand?
This is just a variant of the liver flushing principle. Really sick people need guidance, assistance, on site care. If you feel weak afterwards, take 2 tablespoons of raw honey, your liver may be depleted of carbs. If you feel too horrible afterwards, your liver may be too dirty and you are reabsorbing dirt, so switch to coffee enemas for faster expulsion of dirt without reabsorption.
If 4 days straight seems too much for the way you feel, just do 2 days.
Don't underestimate this flush, people can overdo this just like any tool out there. Detoxing too fast is also not a good idea.
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Thanks GS, this will be my first flush so maybe it will be an interesting new experience ;D
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Liver flushing is fact for thousands of years.
There are many ways to do it, this is just one of them.
I'm not disputing your experience, but you're calling it a 'fact' that it 'flushes' the liver on little evidence.
I think we agree that a lot of people come here with serious health problems, and I don't think it's right that this is presented as a proven method, as it could offer false hope to some people for whom it doesn't work as well as you.
It's fine to offer it as something to try obviously.
That's what I think anyway.
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I've done it three times. Got a boatload of stones out the first time
How do you know? Did you pass solid stones?
Sorry I don't mean to sound judgemental it's not personal I just feel it's important to question this kind of thing.
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Epsom salt flushes are harsh and not necessary for people on the raw paleo. I did a couple of them in my sad days. I got tons of stones out and was relieved for a couple of weeks but as long as I was still eatting problem foods the congestion just came back. The egg yoke flush along with a raw paleo diet is about the best remedy for a clogged liver I have yet to discover.
Yeah I do feel the Epsom salts take a toll on my body coz of the strong laxative effect, but I do it bec I have "lazy" bowels... I'd get occasional constipation even when I was vegetarian or 80%raw vegan. I didn't want to take the risk of the gallstones getting stuck inside my intestines! If I do this egg yolk flush (after a week as GS recommends) I'd better do a lot of enemas.
I've read some articles by skeptics who debunk the healing effects of liver flushes, saying the stones that are passed out are just "soap" stones that formed bec of the olive oil. When I did my 1st flush I was worried this might be true. But after passing out hundreds of green stones, I felt better -more mental clarity and i had more energy and the achy feeling I always had in my neck area greatly diminished. So I thought there must something to this method, and I've been doing it every month
But this time after cleaning my liver out, I plan to nourish it with raw paleo foods. :)
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I'm not disputing your experience, but you're calling it a 'fact' that it 'flushes' the liver on little evidence.
I think we agree that a lot of people come here with serious health problems, and I don't think it's right that this is presented as a proven method, as it could offer false hope to some people for whom it doesn't work as well as you.
It's fine to offer it as something to try obviously.
That's what I think anyway.
Little evidence?
Unproven?
Compared to what?
Drugs? Surgery?
I'll take a showdown any time, find study funders.
Find a funding mechanism.
You can go to curezone.com and look at the liver flush support forum and the liver flush debate forum.
The evidence of liver flushing is the same as the evidence for raw paleo dieting.
It just works.
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How do you know? Did you pass solid stones?
Sorry I don't mean to sound judgemental it's not personal I just feel it's important to question this kind of thing.
Yes I agree, you should question these things.
And yes, I saw them clear as day. Some people say it's just the olive oil and lemon congealed together I'm not saying it isn't, I'm usually a skeptic. But I didn't see anything the second and the third time I did it.
Also, the first time I passed them, I felt euphoric and almost high the entire day, I kid you not
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Little evidence?
Unproven?
Compared to what?
Drugs? Surgery?
I'll take a showdown any time, find study funders.
Find a funding mechanism.
You can go to curezone.com and look at the liver flush support forum and the liver flush debate forum.
The evidence of liver flushing is the same as the evidence for raw paleo dieting.
It just works.
You have 'evidence' that it makes you feel better. I'm not disputing that. However I think that if you're stating as a fact that it removes stones and can help liver cancer you're treading on dodgy ground.
Why not state it less emphatically for things that don't have any studies behind them?
Why do you need to say you have a 'cure' for x and y?
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Hello lovely, beautiful and hopefully smiling people of rpf,
I saw this thread and wanted to give my thoughts since I recently took extensive measures to procede through liver flushing. I first found out about liver flushing through GS here on the forum and was intrigued by its supposed promises of increased health. For me, the idea of experimentation with different health strategies is something that brings me great delight if the following conditions hold. First: the strategy must be quite safe and second that I am doing it for the purpose of cleansing my body that I love not as a measure to distinguish myself from the rest of society or as a way to control outer external events as in my case of addictive behaviors. Essentially I want to love myself in a way that I would not want to poison my body with anything. It was unfortunate that the second condition was not met when I did these flushes but the first condition was satisfactory for me.
I searched tirelessly for anecdotal evidence that liver flushing was indeed safe and an opportunity for increased health. Most of my searching was done on curezone and through correspondence with other members here. Liver flushing is a serious venture into the unknown as there are no controlled studies that I know of. There is no money in liver flushing so it would be quite pointless to study it in our capitalistic society which is rather a shame and so most all evidence I found came from anecdotal stories online.
I found no evidence of any trauma happening during liver flushing that required immediate medical attention from the perhaps over 100 different accounts that I read through. The most dangerous and scary news came from a respected curezone poster who repeated warned about liver flushing, not only not working, but getting real stones stuck in the common bile duct which would neccesitate emergency gall bladder removal. I didn't find a single case of this though I found several different reports of minor to mild health consequences (headaches, vomitting, blood shot eyes,...) For me this was not enough to explore this possible extremely net positive health action. Think for instance of playing a casino game where 99% of the time you lose 10 dollars and 1% of the time you win 100000. The rewards seemed to greatly outweigh the risks (other people on this forum have different opinions of this but this was my analysis).
The next thing I did was to research how to do such a flush. There are quite a many combinations though the most commonly used flush is done with an oil and citrus mix (usually at least 4oz of oil) taken before bed after fasting for half a day. I soon found out that preparation was even more important than the actual flush and again there are a multitude of combinations of ways to prepare for a flush, which for me produced lots of anxiety since I didn't want to get anything wrong.
I found out about a supposed easier liver flush with egg yolks. With information on curezone I constantly get confused on what to believe. As there are extravagent promises that wonder if these if these people are posting from inside insane assylums. I chuckled mightily after I heard that my nose was going to shrink in size (which I remember well since I have a nice fat greek nose). But, none of these seemingly clear absurd promises of health turned me away. I just cared if it was safe. If it didn't work, who cares?
The egg-yolk liver flush did not require epsom salts and was simple enough and so I went through with it with very little results. Some intresting turds but that was it. It was at this time I started to consume lots of yolks since supposedly these are good for cleansing the liver (and the fats perhaps easier to digest since they are in liquid form?). Since this flush did nothing I went a step further and did the oil plus citrus flush commonly referred to the Hulda Clark flush. I rather naively did not prepare that well (I was excited by the "promises" and the adventure of it all) and underwent this Hulda Clark flush without taking anywhere near the required epsom salts. I did this twice spread apart by some few weeks I believe with the neither of these flushes producing anything except for a very bad headache the next night that did not allow me to sleep(I cannot for sure say this was a consuquence of the flush).
After this flush I waited perhaps 4 months to do the next flush and this one I prepared like I was in a title fight for. I ate quite a bit off raw yolks nearly everyday for the month before. Most of the time I would mix in lime or grapefruit and occasionally a bit of honey for taste. Some days I ate nothing but yolks. I prepared also by taking droplets of digestive grape bitters which supposedly help dissolve stones for a month or so prior to the flush as well as chinese bitters and gold coin grass. I made castor oil packs and put them on my liver/gall bladder, which was a nice way to relax and meditate. I took some apple cider vinegar as well occasionally which is supposed to crush stones. I gave myself coffee enemas nearly daily as well. None of these things seemed to make any difference in the way I felt. I wasn't really expecting anything from the flush because of the previous two times but I gave it another try. This time with the full dosage of epsom salts, which taste extremely bad by the way.
I probably visited the bathroom a dozen times the next day with nothing coming out the first few times except liquid waste and then by the early afternoon the day following the flush small green "stones" that floated came out in bundles. I contiued to get "stones" and other junk out even through the next day. I felt good to have "success" that my body created something because of the work I put into it. I felt absolutely no different after the flush. I examined a few of the larger (10-15mm) "stones" and found some seeds from some fruit I consumed earlier in the day so these were clearly products of the flush itself and not true gallstones.
I wasn't dissapointed to find that out because I had read from respected members that this is indeed what to expect - bile compacted with intestinal waste, but it seems that this is not necessarily just waste. Some debris and sludge(yet to be formed stones) from the gall bladder is indeed being slowly pushed out by these flushes. True gall stones would probably have a very hard time making it through the common bile duct since its just 5mm in diameter if I recall correctly, though apparently it expands with the help of the epsom salts.
The only thing I could discern that was differnt about myself was that I could feel my gall bladder the next couple weeks(perhaps it was simply weakened by the extreme amount of bile pushed through it). I have yet to do a liver flush since, but only because I need to meet my second condition before I try it again. There are so many variations and so much to preuse out there and if you do flush as always do your homework.
My "theory" on producing a high-functioning body is to remove as much "clutter" as possible (liver/gallbladder stones, kidney stones, excess fat, mucoid plaque, heavy metals, etc) and let the body handle things from there. I also believe this mentality works for mental and emotional health. Clear the clutter from your mind. Drop the ego. Let go of the shame and guilt and have as close to nothing on your mind except awareness of the present and let the power of the freed up energy in your mind do the rest.
I try to follow my soul and true spirit within me now listening to as much as I can. Lots of love and best regards to all.
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Hello lovely, beautiful and hopefully smiling people of rpf,
I saw this thread and wanted to give my thoughts since I recently took extensive measures to procede through liver flushing. I first found out about liver flushing through GS here on the forum and was intrigued by its supposed promises of increased health. For me, the idea of experimentation with different health strategies is something that brings me great delight if the following conditions hold. First: the strategy must be quite safe and second that I am doing it for the purpose of cleansing my body that I love not as a measure to distinguish myself from the rest of society or as a way to control outer external events as in my case of addictive behaviors. Essentially I want to love myself in a way that I would not want to poison my body with anything. It was unfortunate that the second condition was not met when I did these flushes but the first condition was satisfactory for me.
I searched tirelessly for anecdotal evidence that liver flushing was indeed safe and an opportunity for increased health. Most of my searching was done on curezone and through correspondence with other members here. Liver flushing is a serious venture into the unknown as there are no controlled studies that I know of. There is no money in liver flushing so it would be quite pointless to study it in our capitalistic society which is rather a shame and so most all evidence I found came from anecdotal stories online.
I found no evidence of any trauma happening during liver flushing that required immediate medical attention from the perhaps over 100 different accounts that I read through. The most dangerous and scary news came from a respected curezone poster who repeated warned about liver flushing, not only not working, but getting real stones stuck in the common bile duct which would neccesitate emergency gall bladder removal. I didn't find a single case of this though I found several different reports of minor to mild health consequences (headaches, vomitting, blood shot eyes,...) For me this was not enough to explore this possible extremely net positive health action. Think for instance of playing a casino game where 99% of the time you lose 10 dollars and 1% of the time you win 100000. The rewards seemed to greatly outweigh the risks (other people on this forum have different opinions of this but this was my analysis).
The next thing I did was to research how to do such a flush. There are quite a many combinations though the most commonly used flush is done with an oil and citrus mix (usually at least 4oz of oil) taken before bed after fasting for half a day. I soon found out that preparation was even more important than the actual flush and again there are a multitude of combinations of ways to prepare for a flush, which for me produced lots of anxiety since I didn't want to get anything wrong.
I found out about a supposed easier liver flush with egg yolks. With information on curezone I constantly get confused on what to believe. As there are extravagent promises that wonder if these if these people are posting from inside insane assylums. I chuckled mightily after I heard that my nose was going to shrink in size (which I remember well since I have a nice fat greek nose). But, none of these seemingly clear absurd promises of health turned me away. I just cared if it was safe. If it didn't work, who cares?
The egg-yolk liver flush did not require epsom salts and was simple enough and so I went through with it with very little results. Some intresting turds but that was it. It was at this time I started to consume lots of yolks since supposedly these are good for cleansing the liver (and the fats perhaps easier to digest since they are in liquid form?). Since this flush did nothing I went a step further and did the oil plus citrus flush commonly referred to the Hulda Clark flush. I rather naively did not prepare that well (I was excited by the "promises" and the adventure of it all) and underwent this Hulda Clark flush without taking anywhere near the required epsom salts. I did this twice spread apart by some few weeks I believe with the neither of these flushes producing anything except for a very bad headache the next night that did not allow me to sleep(I cannot for sure say this was a consuquence of the flush).
After this flush I waited perhaps 4 months to do the next flush and this one I prepared like I was in a title fight for. I ate quite a bit off raw yolks nearly everyday for the month before. Most of the time I would mix in lime or grapefruit and occasionally a bit of honey for taste. Some days I ate nothing but yolks. I prepared also by taking droplets of digestive grape bitters which supposedly help dissolve stones for a month or so prior to the flush as well as chinese bitters and gold coin grass. I made castor oil packs and put them on my liver/gall bladder, which was a nice way to relax and meditate. I took some apple cider vinegar as well occasionally which is supposed to crush stones. I gave myself coffee enemas nearly daily as well. None of these things seemed to make any difference in the way I felt. I wasn't really expecting anything from the flush because of the previous two times but I gave it another try. This time with the full dosage of epsom salts, which taste extremely bad by the way.
I probably visited the bathroom a dozen times the next day with nothing coming out the first few times except liquid waste and then by the early afternoon the day following the flush small green "stones" that floated came out in bundles. I contiued to get "stones" and other junk out even through the next day. I felt good to have "success" that my body created something because of the work I put into it. I felt absolutely no different after the flush. I examined a few of the larger (10-15mm) "stones" and found some seeds from some fruit I consumed earlier in the day so these were clearly products of the flush itself and not true gallstones.
I wasn't dissapointed to find that out because I had read from respected members that this is indeed what to expect - bile compacted with intestinal waste, but it seems that this is not necessarily just waste. Some debris and sludge(yet to be formed stones) from the gall bladder is indeed being slowly pushed out by these flushes. True gall stones would probably have a very hard time making it through the common bile duct since its just 5mm in diameter if I recall correctly, though apparently it expands with the help of the epsom salts.
The only thing I could discern that was differnt about myself was that I could feel my gall bladder the next couple weeks(perhaps it was simply weakened by the extreme amount of bile pushed through it). I have yet to do a liver flush since, but only because I need to meet my second condition before I try it again. There are so many variations and so much to preuse out there and if you do flush as always do your homework.
My "theory" on producing a high-functioning body is to remove as much "clutter" as possible (liver/gallbladder stones, kidney stones, excess fat, mucoid plaque, heavy metals, etc) and let the body handle things from there. I also believe this mentality works for mental and emotional health. Clear the clutter from your mind. Drop the ego. Let go of the shame and guilt and have as close to nothing on your mind except awareness of the present and let the power of the freed up energy in your mind do the rest.
I try to follow my soul and true spirit within me now listening to as much as I can. Lots of love and best regards to all.
Great post
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yeah, thanks for posting that donk. very informative.
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Hey FTH how did you feel when you did your liver flush?
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yeah, thanks for posting that donk. very informative.
Maybe you can share your coffee enema experience me.
Coffee enema is a different kind of liver flush.
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Alright well I am about 8 hours into the yolk flush now, nothing any different from normal so far, perhaps has something to do with my high egg consumption in the beginning of eating RP. I used to eat 9+ raw eggs a day (although with no citrus and oil) for awhile so I suppose its possible my liver is pretty clean.
Anyway I did 1/2 cup pastured yolks, 1/2 cup fresh squeezed lemon, 1 tablespoon organic, cold pressed olive oil.
...will continue on for the few days and see how I feel.
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Liver flushing is for people with some sort of illness.
And there are some people with stones or muck and some who are clean.
If you come up with 3 straight flush days and nothing comes out, then your liver is clean.
I doubt if years seasoned raw paleo dieters will come out with liver slush or stones.
The reason I went on a raw diet was because I continued forming new stones on a cooked diet.
I wanted to stop liver flushing altogether after 20+ flushes.
I didn't think it was right to continue liver flushing to eternity.
So after I did my 14 day orange juice fast, went fruitarian, went raw paleo diet, I've been stone free and muck free. Even to this last time I did this egg yolk liver flush a few days ago just to document how it is done.
Ah but for those sick people like:
my plumber (liver cancer) - his poop smelled like sewage and stones came out (now cured)
my expat friend (retinal detachment ) - his pooped smelled like sewage (now cured)
my uncle (brain tumor, lung tumor) - he keeps pooping stones (cure attempt is ongoing)
You have 'evidence' that it makes you feel better. I'm not disputing that. However I think that if you're stating as a fact that it removes stones and can help liver cancer you're treading on dodgy ground.
Why not state it less emphatically for things that don't have any studies behind them?
Why do you need to say you have a 'cure' for x and y?
I think pharma studies are full of B.S. and they never meet my standard of cure.
Western pharma medicine is full of B.S. and they define stupidity when it comes to "incurable diseases".
My standard of cure is my own healer practice for free.
Where the general structure of a cured person is: he knows the principles and practices raw paleo diet and he knows and practices detox protocols by himself. Liver flushing is just a mere tool in the detox tool box.
I am proud of all you guys here in this raw paleo forum because we are the shining light in a dark pharma medical hell.
I have to say cure, cure, cure, cure, cure to counter the "treatment" and "there is no cure" superstition being spouted by ignorant medical professionals.
I've cured too many people personally to know what I'm talking about and I won't back down on pushing the word CURE.
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Good to know! Thanks GS :)
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Josh does have a point, though. Even wild animals on natural, raw diets like sharks can get cancer, for instance, albeit at rates, I suspect, which are far lower than what is experienced by modern SAD-eating humans, judging from various pubmed studies I have read. I just think we should be more careful re what we can promise. I mean, some diseases are so severe that I can imagine that it would greatly harm someone psychologically if they were promised some raw diet cure for a supposedly incurable disease only for them to just get worse. I am aware that a rawpalaeodiet can perform miracles, at times, especially given my own experience(and various online testimonials), but I think we should just be more careful re our promises/guarantees.
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There are no guarantees in this world, Tyler.
But the western pharmaceutical paradigm is guaranteed to FAIL each and every time against "incurable diseases". And people pay for these frauds! They are only good at trauma in the emergency room. But never with diseases!
Just listen to my friend who I helped with his retinal detachment, how he realized that his medical docs were just good for surgery and had NOTHING in the healing department... and now that he has felt the power of nutrition + detoxing... he's like a raving lunatic now, but he's a powerful, towering, respected figure in the banking industries, so when he talks, people will listen.
His brain is now working out how he's going to execute a raw paleo diet once he's back in the real world of travel and meetings.
I will keep blogging and reporting cures as I see them and actually do them and the many more testimonies of cured people in the future.
I would not have stayed with raw paleo diet if it didn't deliver.
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I'm happy to let this argument go in a minute, but just think about this. If someone has cancer, and gets on a rpd and maybe tries your ideas. They'll probably start to feel much better, probably recover functions in their body they had before, which is all well and good.
So if you're there saying you're cured some kinds of people will believe it, when the cancer is still probably there. This stops them making real hard decisions about their body and what to do for the future.
I know chemo etc is horrible and people choose not do do it...but they need to make that choice themself.
And they need to know if the cancer is still there to make realistic choices about what to do before they die.
I've seen people in my family dying of cancer and I know the kind of desperation that can make people latch on to different ideas.
I like you and think you're a well intentioned poster, but I find it abhorrent that you're saying that you've cured a guy of liver cancer, when it seems like the 'evidence' for the cure is just that he feels better not that medical professionals have checked that the tumour has gone.
How does Mang Ben measure his liver cancer cure?
- no more pain
- lots of energy
- feeling of youth
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CURE IS SUCH AN AMBIGUOUS TERM
Most the people I know who skipped chemo and refused all treatment for a so called malignant tumor are alive and well, long after the doctors said they would be dead.
My great grand mother had a tumor in her breast, for three years it didn't grow nor did it cause any issues and some young doctor decided to biopsy it, and guess what, it was cancer and the biopsy procedure made it metastasize, they killed the first wave cancer with surgery and radiation, but the radiation gave her a more aggressive form of lymphatic cancer and she was dead within 6 months.
Before conventional medicine got involved she was strong vibrant and could walk up the side of the mountain where she lived, the only thing wrong was a lump on the breast, and they turned it into a death sentence.(Some people are better off with a tumor)especially if they change their way of living and correct what ever in balance that caused the tumor to grow in the first place.
There is a friend of mine who at the age of 14 he started roofing with his brother. 20 years later both himself and his brother developed asbestos's related cancers. He told me his brother worked hard every day and walked into the clinic for treatment. 6 months later he was dead. The doctors told my friend that he had baseball sized tumors in his lungs and other tumors through his body and he would be dead within a couple of years if he didn't let them cut it out. He said no way, your not cutting on me, and his doctor told him he was crazy (to his face, he was called crazy by his doctor, for refusing to be butchered) This was 15 years ago and the man is still living and in fairly good condition, The only radiation treatment he receives is from the tanning bed which he claims makes the pain of the tumors better.
There are many others I know personally that don't need to be cured in order to feel better and live better than what the medical field has to offer(myself included) The cure is often worse than the sickness
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I'm happy to let this argument go in a minute, but just think about this. If someone has cancer, and gets on a rpd and maybe tries your ideas. They'll probably start to feel much better, probably recover functions in their body they had before, which is all well and good.
So if you're there saying you're cured some kinds of people will believe it, when the cancer is still probably there. This stops them making real hard decisions about their body and what to do for the future.
I know chemo etc is horrible and people choose not do do it...but they need to make that choice themself.
And they need to know if the cancer is still there to make realistic choices about what to do before they die.
I've seen people in my family dying of cancer and I know the kind of desperation that can make people latch on to different ideas.
I like you and think you're a well intentioned poster, but I find it abhorrent that you're saying that you've cured a guy of liver cancer, when it seems like the 'evidence' for the cure is just that he feels better not that medical professionals have checked that the tumour has gone.
Chemo and radiation for cancer is plain 100% bullshit.
In my opinion the western medical system is plain and simple a FRAUD in the identification and treatment of all diseases.
They absolutely get no respect for me, nor will they define my use of the word CURE.
I'm not just well intentioned.
I deliver CURES.
The VERY BEST decision people can make is to RUN AWAY from the western medical profession pushing chemo and radiation. RUN AWAY! Run away from the frauds, run away from the killers, run away from the murderers, run away from the greedy $$$$$$$$....
Never ever get a BIOPSY!
not that medical professionals have checked that the tumour has gone.
The super bullshit medical profession has ZERO CREDIBILITY in the eyes of Mang BEN, the man I helped cure of liver cancer. He suffered liver cancer from 1997 until 2008 when he confided in me. He had ZERO ERECTIONS for 8 non-f*cking years.
And today at 58 because of super simple ideas I taught him, he now has sex 2x a week with his wife who is 31 years old.
Mang Ben sees the FRAUDS for what they are, the western medical FRAUDS.
Mang Ben REFUSES to be tested or touched by the western medical FRAUDS.
All his complaints and symptoms are GONE!
If f*cking 2x a week after an 8 year erection loss is not evidence for you, then you and I can agree to disagree.
I'll stick to my guns. CURED, CURED, CURED and shout to the very tops CURED!
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That's a very simplistic view. I agree that there's a lot of problems with western medicine, but that doesn't mean it never has answers...or that alternatives are always right.
I don't even disagree with what you're trying, but I firmly believe that it's not OK to throw about talk of cures to serious diseases.
So we'll have to agree to disagree, and don't take it personally if I call these things out.
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That's a very simplistic view. I agree that there's a lot of problems with western medicine, but that doesn't mean it never has answers...or that alternatives are always right.
I don't even disagree with what you're trying, but I firmly believe that it's not OK to throw about talk of cures to serious diseases.
So we'll have to agree to disagree, and don't take it personally if I call these things out.
Just as western medicine is TOTALLY WRONG ABOUT DIET.
The Fraud of Western Medicine is SOOOO BIIIGGGGG.... and so basic, at the core... should never be trusted with diseases... EVER.
Not even with the very definition of what diseases are in the first place!
It is western medicine who is doing the killing, murdering, butchering of people en mass while milking the people of their own $$$ money.
I'm sorry if you work for the medical industry, but the western medical industry is totally OUT of our lives when it comes to diseases.
Look, I'm not the only one with the vehement opinion against the fraudsters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRekUmggp-I
It's okay for me to spout CURES because I'm saving lives!
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GS,
You are right on the money. There are many medical modalities in the world that are actually useful in curing disease. Modern Allopathy is not one of them. Allopathy makes no money off of curing and is therefore not on the business of curing. As you said Allopathy (allo means trauma) was really only started up to do basic things like setting broken bones, making you comfortable when you are sick. When you are traumatized (broken arm) you go to a trauma specialist. That's what they do.
I have read that the aboriginals in Australia do a better job of setting bones but that is another argument which I am not armed to answer. (I read about it)
The whole "Scientific Method" scam is brilliantly designed to hoodwink the faceless mob. Eventually it will be looked upon by history in exactly the graphic terms that you used to describe it GS. They are murderers and thieves and they wrap themselves in the cloak of the great benefactors of society.
I have some friends who were part of that treadmill (surgeons) who gave it up as they realized that they didn't help people. Making a boatload of money, but not useful. They are now practicing Ayurveda and helping people to get well, sans the boatload of money
Curing may be a strong word for some methods of treatment, as I firmly believe that problems exist because of our nutritional etc. input. This might be in the current generation or in past generations. Subjecting your senses to garbage will result in some illness or another. Your flush, as you stated, doesn't cure, it gets rid of the immediate problems. Curing requires a different diet.
Ayurveda says that whatever you consume through your senses and your posture are the cause of disease.
The Ayurvedic doc tells me that my and my GF's liver are weak so I will try the flush. I am not suffering from any illnesses so it is iffy if I should do it. She has issues though.
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For majority of the people who are sick with cancer or other diseases, the liver needs cleaning and nourishing. What better way to do this than with egg yolk liver flushing as the liver is nourished and cleansed at the same time.
If this is the first time you are doing a liver flush, you might want to take 1 carton of apple juice (not from concentrate) every day for 5 days as part of your daily diet. Apples have properties in them that soften liver stones and make the liver flow. This is good preparation.
Do this egg yolk liver flushing 4 straight mornings the moment you wake up. No drinking, no eating, just this flush immediately. No fasting necessary. Your sleep is already counted as your fast.
Read the full egg yolk liver flush protocol at http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols-and-treatments/liver-gall-bladder-flush/edwins-egg-yolk-liver-flushing/
GS is there any advice on foods to avoid/favour while doing the flush?
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yes, avoiding congestion causing foods is the key to long term successful liver cleaning. Assuming that much of the liver congestion people suffer from is a result of either the wrong foods or a combination of bad food and exposure to pollutants ;then what is the proper diet one must follow along with the live flush, in order to attain lasting benefits.
Something I was eatting was making me totally conjested, and only after I eliminated all grains, dairy,vegtable oil, and vegtables;then replaced that food with raw animal goodness, did the issues I had resolve.
I used a lot of vegtable oils and looking back now I see how poorly my liver could handle the processed grease. So I assume that would be at the top of the avoid list
Next I would eliminate all grains and dairy, even nuts can be hard on a clogged liver because of their aberrant protein and fat structures.
After that, it may be up to the individual to decide how much they are willing to give up to have good health, and of course some individuals are not as bad off as others and can indulge in congestion forming foods without suffering; once they are cleansed and healed.
Its still up for debate, anyone else have any suggestions?
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Ayurveda gives you an easy method for figuring out what is a bad idea for you, but another method is to give up your favourite food for a month (might take more or less) and see how you feel. If no change,then reinstate it in your diet and remove something else.
Also take note how foods affect you in the short term. Say while eating or up to 36 hours after consumption.
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GS is there any advice on foods to avoid/favour while doing the flush?
Get the sick person on temporary raw paleo diet.
This worked splendidly well for my friend with the detached retina where after surgery it wasn't healing.
He did colon cleansing, kidney cleansing, liver cleansing.
Raw paleo diet cycling fruit / vegetable juices.
seared fatty grass fed sirloin steaks.
raw fatty fish
raw eggs as food.
raw bone marrow
raw grass fed beef liver.
plus some sunlight, sleep, etc.
He just got back to work yesterday.
You need to gauge the liver toxicity of the sick. If the detoxification of the liver has too much poison in it, use a warm water enema 2 hours after drinking the egg yolk liver flush to escort out the dumped poisons.
If the liver is truly of the worst poisons, you may be better off doing coffee enemas.
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Get the sick person on temporary raw paleo diet.
This worked splendidly well for my friend with the detached retina where after surgery it wasn't healing.
He did colon cleansing, kidney cleansing, liver cleansing.
Raw paleo diet cycling fruit / vegetable juices.
seared fatty grass fed sirloin steaks.
raw fatty fish
raw eggs as food.
raw bone marrow
raw grass fed beef liver.
plus some sunlight, sleep, etc.
He just got back to work yesterday.
You need to gauge the liver toxicity of the sick. If the detoxification of the liver has too much poison in it, use a warm water enema 2 hours after drinking the egg yolk liver flush to escort out the dumped poisons.
If the liver is truly of the worst poisons, you may be better off doing coffee enemas.
Thanks GS,
I am going to try the flush tomorrow with my GF. I am not sick (my opinion strictly LOL, or at least not in the physical senses LOL) and neither is she. I was wondering if there are foods that will counteract or aggravate the process. When doing the preparation for PK in Ayurveda you are advised to avoid eating certain foods as you will feel nauseous for instance.
We are both on AV's diet and have been since last December. We also do the high meat thing.
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I used a lot of vegtable oils and looking back now I see how poorly my liver could handle the processed grease. So I assume that would be at the top of the avoid list
Next I would eliminate all grains and dairy, even nuts can be hard on a clogged liver because of their aberrant protein and fat structures.
ST,
My GF has real problems with fats due to her haemangioma. She has big issues with any fats, animal, vegetable.
I can eat it all no problem.
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I was so conjested pre paleo that when I would eat my baked vetgable dishes with olive oil, the olive oil would pass totally undigested, and if I were stupid enough to eat fried food I would have some type of gallbladder attack were my side would radiate pain, my pancreas was also a little damaged so it would not produce enough insulin or digestive enzymes. The liver and pancreatic problems I had seemed to be somehow related to the same condition, and both issues resolved soon after changing to the diet.
At my worst when all the oil was passing through undigested I tried to go on an ultra low fat diet,with liver Epsom salt flushes, but I was already malnourished it just made things worse. The raw egg flush at least replaces the garbage being flushed out with healing nutrition.
I will say it again that I eat a couple of egg yolks and drink lemon water and eat coconut butter everyday along with the paleo diet and I believe its worked wonders.
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We're on day 2. I do feel a bit lighter down below and a slight change in consciousness oddly enough. We made our apple juice with a twin gear juicer.
This probably should be another thread..... but GS any kidney flush suggestions?
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Kidneys?
I usually use Avocado Leaves Tea.
http://www.curemanual.com/detox-protocols-and-treatments/kidney-cleansing/how-to-make-avocado-leaves-tea-for-kidney-cleansing/
Americans have great success with water melon day fasts.
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GS, you recommended a colon cleanse to me yesterday. Would you recommend that I do that before a liver cleanse? Anything else I need to do before? I would probably do coffee enemas rather than the yolk flush to start with.
Also, re the colon cleanse with Oxypowder (I have some), it says to increase the dose until 3-5 bowel movements a day. But what if one is not eating much food?
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Colon cleansing first.
Liver flush later.
Liver will dump dirt in the stomach to be dispensed through the colon.
If colon is dirty, where will the liver dirt go?
So colon cleansing first.
You have to ask oxypowder support about your question.
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Now I'm trying with dr hulda clark (more at http://www.drhuldaclark.org/ (http://www.drhuldaclark.org/) ) lets see whats happen..
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Now I'm trying with dr hulda clark (more at http://www.drhuldaclark.org/ (http://www.drhuldaclark.org/) ) lets see whats happen..
You're obviously a spammer. Post again in a non-spammy way, or I'm banning you.
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Don't think that's spam. Hulda Clarke is well known for her cleanses.
http://www.drhuldaclark.org/cleanses/ (http://www.drhuldaclark.org/cleanses/)
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The broken English and lack of any introductory thread, and lack of asking questions, all point to a spammer.
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Colon cleansing first.
Liver flush later.
Liver will dump dirt in the stomach to be dispensed through the colon.
If colon is dirty, where will the liver dirt go?
So colon cleansing first.
You have to ask oxypowder support about your question.
Can the lemon juice(to much sugar) from your egg yolk liver flush recipe be replaced with raw apple cider vinegar? what should one do if liver twitching or small pain in liver area is experienced during/after a egg yolk liver flush and an VCO detox?
wouldnt a 3 to 7 day VCO detox cleanse the colon, liver and kidneys at the same time?
could the VCO detox+ egg yolk liver flush+ kidney cleanse be combined together...basically do the liver flush first thing in the morning, then eat 2 tblsp of VCO every 2 hours, and drink the avocado leaf tea between the VCO doses.. also could I add 1 tblsp of raw butter to the VCO doses... butter(butyryc acid) feeds good bacteria... Aajonus felt that coconut cream is more powerful cleanser then coconut oil... wouldnt doing the VCO detox with the cream be more effective?
thank you
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your colon will cleanse itself on a raw diet like the one you're on. As your diet changes, so will your intestinal flora, and best let it develop in accordance with your new diet. Billions and billions of colon bacteria have a powerful effect, especially if they aren't the types that bloom on sugar and processed foods.
If you're going to use eggs to cleanse your liver, please make sure they are chickens that have plenty of green food to eat, as opposed to simply being another grain fed animal product.
Aujonus had lots of ideas. Some good, some questionable. It's for you to find out for your own body which ones really work. For instance, he loved butter and honey. My opinion is that he simply found it irresistible. I know I do, well, almost. And then I find that it's doing more harm than good.
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“That men do not learn very much from the lessons of history is the most important of all the lessons that history has to teach.” Aldous Huxley
To awnser your questions regarding the relevence of understanding history in this new age, I do not know for sure? I am a man divided on an issue that is much larger than one man can tackel. I feel that we as individual free thinking human beings are being compelled to fall in line with what other people refer to as history, while completly dismissing thier own innermost experience. The most importaint parts of human existance do not make it into the text books. There is a huge void of speculative bolderdash which becomes mistaken for truth and is tought to every one as history.
It seems that there are plently of peoople who already belive to understand the history of ynregualted banking, the revolutonary war, thier parrent, ect and yet form what I can see "there is little that can be done to prevent even those who Know history from being doomed to repeat it" Part of the problem with history is that there are so many unknows, which make it impossible for use to make rational dessisons based on an incomplete history.
Most of us dont even know what goes on in the secret lives of our own parrents let alone what goes on in the upper eccelons of world events. This is why humbel meekness is such a virtue.
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so this liver egg yolk flush will brake up bigger pieces of stones as well? the ''mainstream'' liver flush tells us to eat lots of apples 3 days before the flush to brake up the bigger stones.... with this egg yolk flush it is not needed the apple feast? did you ever heard problems with the liver eggyolk flush like large stones not being able to be expelled and causing pain? thanks
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i do not think this breaks up stones.
I think breaking up stones is what apples do.
I believe in using various liver cleansing techniques.
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your colon will cleanse itself on a raw diet like the one you're on. As your diet changes, so will your intestinal flora, and best let it develop in accordance with your new diet. Billions and billions of colon bacteria have a powerful effect, especially if they aren't the types that bloom on sugar and processed foods.
If you're going to use eggs to cleanse your liver, please make sure they are chickens that have plenty of green food to eat, as opposed to simply being another grain fed animal product.
Aujonus had lots of ideas. Some good, some questionable. It's for you to find out for your own body which ones really work. For instance, he loved butter and honey. My opinion is that he simply found it irresistible. I know I do, well, almost. And then I find that it's doing more harm than good.
how and why does butter and honey harm you?
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i do not think this breaks up stones.
I think breaking up stones is what apples do.
I believe in using various liver cleansing techniques.
Hello GS,
first, thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I am wondering: What do you mean by a carton of apple juice? I mean how much is it? I was hoping round about 300ml is enough and that you don't mean a liter package per day..
Because the apple juice affects me already badly in 300ml amounts. Making me feel irritated and uncalm. And yeah bad sleep. Couldn't imagine to drink more.
After 5 of such preperation days I did three liver flushes as you described (tomorrow would be the 4th). So far no stones.
I am wondering if a 4th day of flushing is necessary. Or if I might not release stones because I didn't drink enough apple juice. Maybe by now you've made experiences with this liver flush without prior apple juice drinking. At least I can imagine that quite a few people would refuse drinking so much apple juice.
I appreciate your help :)
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A carton in my supermarket is usually 1 liter of Apple Juice.
If apple juice is not for you, you can try eating lots of fresh raw apples.
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how and why does butter and honey harm you?
Depends on the person. I saw it revive a geriatric person with four cancers left for dead, cold, dry, sunken bruisey looking, unable to swallow. But the butter was made by my son's loving hands from milk that had not been quick chilled that only ate organic certified still rooted live green grass. You could be right if your butter is salted, pasteurized, grain fed, va((inated etc. If necessary, how would you revive the person?
@goodsamaritan I think I'll finally try a liver flush, yours of course.
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A carton in my supermarket is usually 1 liter of Apple Juice.
If apple juice is not for you, you can try eating lots of fresh raw apples.
Then I might try again one day when I tolerate the sugar better.
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Depends on the person. I saw it revive a geriatric person with four cancers left for dead, cold, dry, sunken bruisey looking, unable to swallow. But the butter was made by my son's loving hands from milk that had not been quick chilled that only ate organic certified still rooted live green grass. You could be right if your butter is salted, pasteurized, grain fed, va((inated etc. If necessary, how would you revive the person?
@goodsamaritan I think I'll finally try a liver flush, yours of course.
which brand of honey was used?
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It is recommended to lay on the right side after ingesting the oil/juice(eggyolk) mixture.
But anatomically this does not make sense. When you are on your LEFT side, that is the position where the gallbladder can squeeze more easily.
When laying on the right side, the gallbladder is literally upside down...
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I did the Liver and Gallbladder Flush from Andreas Moritz once. Was very effective in terms of flushing out small stones. Only downside was drinking the raw self juiced green apple juice. It was an overload of sugar and it was disgusting. I´d never do that again with apples. But the reason why apples are sometimes recommended is the malic acid content in them. See the paragraph in the pdf I attached here:
The malic acid in the apple juice or sour cherry juice softens the gallstones and makes their passage through the bile ducts smooth and easy. Sour cherry juice has about 4 times the concentration of malic acid that apple juice has, and is usually better tolerated by those who cannot deal with the large amount of sugar contained in apple juice. Both apple juice and sour cherry juice have a strong cleansing effect. Some sensitive people may experience bloating and, occasionally, diarrhea, while on this much apple juice. While some of the diarrhea is actually stagnant bile, released by the liver and gallbladder (indicated by a brownish, yellow color), it may also be due to fermentation of the sugar in apple juice
I think drinking cranberry juice would be even better. Also contains a good amount of malic acid and is very low in carbs. more than half of what sour cherry has. There are also pure malic acid supplements, that might cut out any carbs at all. Or you can also just try the tea "chanca piedra", which can be bought on amazon. Has a great reputation as "stone crusher". Tried that as well, but the tea gave me a bit of stomach ache, so I went for the flush. Can´t say that the flush gave me any improvements though, beside getting rid of stones (which is certainly a good thing). Allthough many people swear on it.
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I did the Liver and Gallbladder Flush from Andreas Moritz once. Was very effective in terms of flushing out small stones. Only downside was drinking the raw self juiced green apple juice. It was an overload of sugar and it was disgusting. I´d never do that again with apples. But the reason why apples are sometimes recommended is the malic acid content in them. See the paragraph in the pdf I attached here:
I think drinking cranberry juice would be even better. Also contains a good amount of malic acid and is very low in carbs. more than half of what sour cherry has. There are also pure malic acid supplements, that might cut out any carbs at all. Or you can also just try the tea "chanca piedra", which can be bought on amazon. Has a great reputation as "stone crusher". Tried that as well, but the tea gave me a bit of stomach ache, so I went for the flush. Can´t say that the flush gave me any improvements though, beside getting rid of stones (which is certainly a good thing). Allthough many people swear on it.
Sour cherry juice contains about 15- 27 grams of malic acid per liter of juice... I could not find any info on how much malic acid is in 1 litre of cranberry juice... Do you have any info on that?
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No, I don´t. You might need to dig around on the net to find the answer. If you do, post it here pls.
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A carton in my supermarket is usually 1 liter of Apple Juice.
If apple juice is not for you, you can try eating lots of fresh raw apples.
What is your experience with distilled/RO water? How do you make it safe to drink?