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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: subfarm on December 13, 2010, 08:21:55 pm
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I'm just curious how you guys ended up RP... Seems like most of us had some sort of medical odyssey that delivered us to it. For me, it was gastrointestinal upsets and general inflammation. I thought "maybe I should eat like my ancestors, they lived to reproduce - they must have been doing something right." So being of Irish and Lakota descent, I set on my way. I learned that before the potato was introduced in the 17th century- the Irish consumed a lot of meats, seafood and berries. I couldn't find much information on vegetables, so I ended up eating a ton of strawberries, black berries and animal foods. The Lakota diet was pretty much identical- meat, assorted fruits and berries. Eventually, I stopped eating vegetables entirely, and I always thought beans were poisonous. I eventually adopted the idea that if I have to cook something to make it edible or palatable, I shouldn't eat it.
So.... what made you do it?
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Well, I had had 1 or 2 minor issues as a child(constantly blocked up nose, warts and the like). Then, over the years, I started getting numerous health-problems due to adrenal burnout etc.. I started experimenting with diets in my early 20s, veering gradually towards raw vegan/fruitarian diets by way of the Hay Diet etc etc. I had discovered by that point that I got increasingly painful stomach-aches after eating any (cooked) animal foods whatsoever, which was what drove me in that direction. Anyway, I discovered the Primal Diet and started healing , only for all gains to disappear completely as soon as I started introducing raw dairy into my diet. 6 months into this Primal Diet misadventure, I went completely rawpalaeo and started healing properly. It took me c. 2-3 years to get rid of my various health-problems.
I am dubious of claimed links between ancestors' diets and oneself. I was always told that I should be fine on raw dairy, due to some Scandinavian descent, but that was not the case.
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My would-be big brother was not born with kidneys, so did not make it. My little brother has had many strokes starting from very young, he was also diagnosed asperger's syndrome(high IQ version of autism), along with myostenia gravis(degenerating muscle tissue). So from a young age I realized that some of this sh*t just ain't right.
I was lucky. But since my parents were so exposed to doctors, it was only a matter of time before my unruly self was diagnosed ADHD, and put on drugs. When I was 15, I started using the internet and realized what bunk I was taking, and how it was making me into the typical ritalin kid, having violent thoughts among other manic behavior. At the same time some of my friends had started smoking cannabis at parties so I joined in and found the most wonderful herb ever. Told the doctors to keep the drugs and started hitting the pipe on a regular basis. This was great for momentary self control, until I started falling into the party scene and drinking a lot and eating bunk "food". I was diagnosed with Acid reflux at 16, started with the USDA diet and made things worse. I became interested in the fire department and started training with them, when I started truly taxing my body I could not take it. I could perform as one of the top candidates, but I went home exhausted and had hit a ceiling with my strength. I went veggie due to frustration and lack of desire for meat, I truly think it was a good idea for the time, for cleansing purposes. That stopped working 3 months later and I spent the next 2 months coping with things like cacao, and I reverted back to cannabis which I quit to get ready for fire dept. In may I stumbled across AV's Doctors episode and decided it was worth a try. Life has never been better. :)
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Tyler- I avoid dairy like the plague. It has never sat well with me. I always imagined that dairy is what farmers and the like consumed to survive when they couldn't afford to slaughter their livestock. I'll occasionally eat goat cheese... very very sparingly, like once every two or three years, and I almost always feel like a heap of trash afterwards.
As for the ancestor thing, I took a lot of that information with a grain of salt. The Irish consumed a good bit of animal milk out of necessity, and ate some grains. None of those things I will touch. What really piqued my curiosity about the ancestor thing was Weston Price's Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. I stumbled upon it when I was younger, and found it intensely fascinating. So later on, when I was having health issues I kind of read back into it, and it inspired me to apply some of ancestry to my own diet. So I guess my point is, that eating like my family ate generations upon generations ago really just gave me a jumping off point.
After all of the research I had been doing I just woke up one day and was finally sick and tired of feeling like garbage, threw all the food in my kitchen away, and started getting fresh produce every day based on what looked and smelled nice. I later replaced cooked meat with raw meats. This was really before I had an earnest interest in the chemistry of sustenance, so I just went on a hunch- it paid off.
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I realized many conditions in life were related to diet. Energy levels, personality, motivation, drive, vitality, stability of the mind, etc. could all be influenced by the type of diet one eats.
I went from typical SAD (Standard American Diet) of high grains like pasta, rice, bread, and cooked meats and veggies, nuts, with some raw fruits ........ to a high raw vegetarian diet with some raw eggs and canned fish 1-2 times per week. I tried eating lots of fruits but my teeth started to hurt and I didn't feel too good after eating 6 or 7 apples or 8 oranges or 10 bananas. Nonetheless I kept the high fruit diet for a while....then eventually cut down the fruits and upped the vegetables.
High vegetable diet did not provide with me enough calories for energy and I felt lethargic, but overall decent.
Eventually since I ate raw eggs it was not a far stretch to eat other fresh raw meats and that seemed logically far healthier than the canned fish I'd eat once or twice a week. Thus now I eat a omnivore diet and I try to balance the fruits and vegetables with the meats and not rely too much on grains, but I still eat those sometimes. I emphasize quality not quantity, and variety for both nutrient and taste reasons.
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I was a 24 +-year Ayurvedic vege. The modern version of Ayurveda that is, vege, not the original omnivorous.
Being a certified practitioner (although not employed as such) I have a decent idea of how to keep myself well and as such haven't had any illness acute or chronic in memory since I started except for small amounts of rotten gas... ;D which isn't an illness, just a pain in the a#&.
I avoided meat, as meditation and spiritual progress was/is my goal or whatever you want to call it.
One day I read a post by v Pinto regarding eating meat raw or something like that. I became curious and discovered that he and others had witnessed what seemed like "miracle cures" from illnesses that sounded to me like vata issues. Vinny was obviously VP or PV either in prakriti (birth doshic vitiation) or vikruti (short term or current doshic imbalance) and since this is my battle I became curious.
My teacher a Vaidya (Ayurvedic Doc.) had indicated once in a lecture that Ayurveda had it's roots in prehistory when people noticed that certain foods and minerals etc had effects on the body and that what you consumed them they healed or hurt you depending on what you were like in the first place.
Then they started noticing that when people left the hills (where they lived off the land as hunter gatherers) and started living in the valleys as farmers, and in villages and also storing their food (grains) they started getting illnesses. They then decided to write down the previously oral traditions into what is now codified as Ayurveda. (The main book "Caraka Samhita" was written about the time of Christ.)
Anyhoo I then heard about Aajonus, bought his book and decided to try it. Really it was curiosity not problems. I disagree with AV in one main thing. He says that having an illness periodically is important to flush the body, reset the clock whatever. That's a crock. Other than that I like the diet.
I do not agree with some of his assertions such as; everyone can drink milk and the other things he prescribes. That's in some cases dangerous.
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I had a few minor health issues and started looking after my diet as part of that. I started eating a 'balanced' diet along with shitloads of quality supplements and tbh felt amazing.
I had started reading health and life extension forums figuring that these would have the best information.
It's a very complicated world and for every person that recommends a supplement, someone will pull out a study that says it's useless or harmful.
I was always interested in paleo (cooked) and tried it in a haphazard way before getting ill. A big debate on life extension forums is whether it's best to eat a high fat paleo diet and get the benefits of low carb, but accepting age's etc from cooked food....or go for a higher carb diet and get low age's but accept the negative effects of insulin response.
I found this forum looking for an answer to a question about adapting to paleo, and had a look round. It seems like the ultimate answer to diet, although as Lex says it may not be the best in life extension, but I'm more interested in 'healthspan' how long I can do what I want.
And you don't have to get involved in that headspinning supplement scene.
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Yeah the Price research is VERY interesting, I was actually reading that last night.
Does anyone know what was the diet of early Siberian people or have any links? I am curious what my ancestors diet was...
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I think in a youtube video Siberians hunt reindeer and salt the blood and drink it raw onsite before cutting further into the carcass. Some guy was traveling there for a TV show, showing their everyday life and trying their foods. The people seemed to have calm natures/tempers and were blissful looking besides having to bundle up warm.
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I was raw vegan and not doing well, i didn't even know some people ate raw meat. One day i'm on youtube watching raw food videos and this woman was raving about raw meat, she was pretty convincing so i gave it a try.
Here's the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CECwj-t-Cpk
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Just to be clear Yuli, I'm not advocating any crazy ancestor diet or anything, it was mainly a springboard for me, and it's incredibly fascinating to learn about.
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Yeah the Price research is VERY interesting, I was actually reading that last night.
Does anyone know what was the diet of early Siberian people or have any links? I am curious what my ancestors diet was...
The Nenets of Siberia eat diets consisting mostly of raw meats and blood, though they also eat some boiled meats too. Given the Arctic nature of Siberia, I am sure that peoples living there always ate diets extremely high in animal foods, much of them raw, with raw plant foods mainly being only eaten in the summer in relatively small amounts.
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I continued to evolve my diet for my needs and challenges.
From SAD which made me obese.
From vegetarian - which was malnourishing.
To healing requirements: I wanted 100% raw because I wanted to stop liver flushing, I wanted zero liver stones, my body kept producing liver stones as long as I ate cooked stuff.
To raw vegan - which was deathly malnourishing
To raw fruitarian - which was deathly malnourishing as well
To raw wai diet - which was just super great after fruitarian ( got bored with sea food and eggs )
To raw primal diet Aajonus - but raw dairy wasn't working for me
So I dropped the dairy and it became:
To raw paleo diet ( super thank you forever to Geoff Purcell at AllExperts and this forum )
Then learned about high amounts of raw fat.
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Started with barefoot running, then paleo with cooked meat, then gradually cooked my meat less, then had raw meat.
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I started with the basic philosophy that our bodies are perfectly adapted to a prehistoric diet through millions of years of evolution. Billions actually. Prehistoric food growing, gathering, and hunting conditions no longer exhist on earth. Revolutionary changes during the past few thousand years went far to quickly for our bodies to adapt and evolve. My nutrition research goes farther back than our recent ancestors or even paleo. I make feble attempts to try and recreat the past but it is a constant challange. Organic garden helps and buying directly from grass based farmers/ranchers. Hunting is good. Organ meats are great.
I think you are on the right track eating raw grass-fed meat and wild seafood with small wild type berries, nuts, and seeds. Some wild type root vegetables are probably ok. I consume fermented dairy but am aware it is not optimal. We are designed to have raw milk for the first couple of years in life if not longer.
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I was long aware of the atrocious quality of the grocery store food I grew up off of, I saw the last two generations of my family stricken by conditions that never exested in my relatives that grew up in the mountains. I was witness to the mass drugging of children that became epidemic in the 90s, as well as the saturation of the food supply with corn and soy and GMOs. I see how ill many people who eat suppermarket foods are, and the healthfood vegetarians aren't much better. I began to link my healthproblems and those of the masses around me to poor environment and low food quality, if not out right poisoning. Sadly I went the conventional path at first, and started to eat salads and vegtables, yogurt, granola, potatoes, whole grains, olive oil, and many other recomended health foods. I got worse and soon realized that this food did not provide the health and healing I needed. I finally stumbled across a man with ceilac disease and he directed me to the Weston price foundation. I then found out about the guts and grease diet of the native Americans , and then found AV and this forum from some link by the Good ameritan. I am lucky to have found this place, because I believe the type of diabetes and chronic immune suppression that I was developing would not have healed any other way. I went cold Turkey no grains, starches, non paleo foods, into a ketgenic raw animal food diet with high meat, and over the last 11 months have experienced a wellness that is truly a miracle.
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sabertooth- Getting diagnosed with celiac disease was really what made me question what agribusiness and the american govt tell us- the food pyramid and the like. When learned how prevalent CD actually is, it really made me think about the food guidelines and most RDAs as a scam. I really felt lied to.
Donrad- I was breastfed until I was about 3, that's all the milk I need ;D
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I have been happily gluten free. 11 servings of grain a day would kill someone with even mild glutten tolerance issues, and yet there are no disclaimers or warnings in the mainstream. Even before this diet I had found some Jewel of wisdom that have helped me protect my children. There is evidence that children cant tolerate grains until 18 months, there are new studies that prove that even rice cereal is not good to give before the first year. I held firm on the basic criteria. My children where not fed grains for the first year, and I still limit their bread intake and will soak everthing in lamb fat to keep them from filling up on grains. There are simple steps that can be taken to at least help develop a stronger and more grain tolerant population. There are so many sick children who like myself was fed pasteurized apple juice and rice cereal as the first foods, my wifes first baby food was chocolate icecream. I fed my children egg yolks and goats milk, my youngest eats fat trimmings, marrow,oysters, and blueberries for finger food, and along with a special formula I believe I may have found a way to raise children who can tolerate some of the problem foods, and still thrive. I am blessed with being so cursed, for if I wasn't so ill I would have never been driven to learn what I have learned and my children would be suffering from store bought formula, rice cereal, cooked fruit jars, antibiotics, vaccines and everthing else I was forced to endure.
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Donrad- I was breastfed until I was about 3, that's all the milk I need ;D
Whoa! In my experience of working with children I have found that the general poopulation looks down of prolonging breastfeeding.
I disagree with this idea that it should end at 6 months, the ones who continue, even to just a year old, are built much more strong and resilient.
Give your mom a high five for me!
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I was breastfed till I was almost three years old.
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There are simple steps that can be taken to at least help develop a stronger and more grain tolerant population. There are so many sick children who like myself was fed pasteurized apple juice and rice cereal as the first foods, my wifes first baby food was chocolate icecream. I fed my children egg yolks and goats milk, my youngest eats fat trimmings, marrow,oysters, and blueberries for finger food, and along with a special formula I believe I may have found a way to raise children who can tolerate some of the problem foods, and still thrive...
Children will usually like meats and fats if you introduce them early. I hate when my friends kid is hungry and her uncle will give cupcakes! He says she doesn't like meat.... :/ Last time I was over and the kid announced to me she was hungry, so I made her a fatty salmon steak, she loved it. And while I was serving her it they were saying "but she wont like it don't bother", wtf. SHe probably doesn't like it because he buys the frozen salmon steaks with preservative and puts too much lemon and salt on them, I can't eat his salmon steak either, sour, overcooked and dry. Some people have no clue about foods, so their kids end up trained on junk )=
My first foods when I was a kid, growing up in Russia, were sausages and potatoes! I loved them so and my dad sais when I woke up and was hungry I would yell "sausages!!!!", lol...oh and it wasn't the "hotdogs" you get here, it was the real sausages, ground meat stuffed into an intestine tube...oh yeah as my grain I had cornmeal porridge with butter.
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I grew up around some real poor and uneducated people who would consider macaroni and cheese as a perfect dinner for the children, with cereal for breakfast and grilled cheese for lunch, its no wonder why so many don't grow up strong and bright. This possessed diet is what my younger brother and sister followed extensively. I was the first born so when my mother was living separate from my father I was just fed the same food she was eatting, which included a variety of relatively decent homecooked meals. By the time my mother had my younger brother and sister she became so over run with work and responsibility that she caved in to convenience foods for us kids. By that time I already had a taste for meat and so she catered to me and would make me larger portions of meat , she would make Salmon patties and would save me the bones, or sometimes I would just open a can of tuna and eat it plain. Canned food isn't ideal but I was better off than my younger siblings that seemed to have taken to the convenience foods and got very little of the homecooking that I enjoyed my first 5 years before my mother became to busy to make wholesome meals. My siblings ate very little food that was unprocessed and we all ended up living on cakes and eatting sugar cereal while growing up. Its a testament to mankinds ability to perserver how I was able to build and maintain a sane and functioning mind considering how I lived and what I ate when I was younger.
I knew what was happening during my childhood wasn't anywhere near Ideal but I was poor and didn't have a choice. Now I am still fairly poor but I make more money that my mother made and am determined to spend every penny I have toward providing good living for my family. My goal is to incorporate paleo food into my children's diet and strictly limit questionable foods. Then let nature take its course and prey they are well enough to endure the occasional birthday party food, or piece of candy. Sometimes I wonder how much force I can put behind setting strict dietary standards, without being a fanatic. I am constantly lecturing my family on the dangers of letting children have unlimited amounts of processed foods and candy.
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The Price/Pottinger studies suggest that poor nutrition of our mothers affects our health and physical development. This physical degeneration is cumulative as it is passed down through the generations. The human cultures surrounding the Mediterranian have been on the grain/bean starch/sugar diets the longest.
Could this be why African Americans are on the average are so physically superior to European descendants like me?
Could this be why it seems impossible for ancient cultures to have built the stone structures in ruins all around the world without machinery? They were just amazing physical powerhouses on paleo nutrition? Pre-degeneration.
The best book I have read on this subject is "Evolving Health" by Noel Boaz. He takes it back to single cell.
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Could this be why African Americans are on the average are so physically superior to European descendants like me?
From what I have read, it is the Middle-East which has been on grains the longest in history. People in Europe only very slowly changed from meat-heavy diets to ones including raw dairy and then grains. As for the comment re African Americans and physical performance, if you are referring to predominance in sport, there are other reasons such as more coming from more economically-challenged backgrounds thus giving more incitement re entering sports etc. Also, the 3 or 4 main ethnic groups seem all to be top in some sports but do less well in others.
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I am hardly one to speak with authority on the subject but I have read in a number of places that when early explorers came to North Am the aboriginals were very large, well-built, handsome, however you want to describe them. Since they first met the coastal aboriginals I suspect they were on pretty much a non-grain and thus a substantially meat diet with a certain amount of plant based foods.
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We are at an age where there is a great missunderstanding about the power of DNA to regenerate under the right conditions. We are being told that all these degenerative diseases is due to genetic flaws or bad genes. What we aren't being told is that its all caused by the same principles that were at work in pottingers cats.There is a downward spiral of circumstances that has lead to the problems of today. As long as the genetic code is still intact and capable of healing then even in many people who have already been labled as having bad genes , cancer genes, diabetes genes there is the capacity to heal. There is still time to reverse allot of the chromosomal chaos that has been caused by the adulterations in the food and environment. I propose that returning to the evolutionary diet is the best way to reverse the damage, and perhaps in some lucky people with the DNA survival structures intact, new adaptions and mutations will occur that will spawn the new age of human development. We are all constantly germinating and the will to survive and thrive is alive within the structures of our genes, we need to focus our efforts to provide the proper nutrition and environment which will restore us to our evolutionary peak. This can be done , and I have faith that my own children could be the beginning of the neo paleo Renaissance and if I am even remotely successful then perhaps within two generations I will have personally spawned a new breed of people with the strength and vitality of the ancient Olympians, and along with proper education and a good work ethic , they will be at the pinnacle of the next phase of our species.(I can still Dream)
Things are fairly dark for those who continue to follow the recommended dietary guideline's, its time for the illuminated people to break rank and take the authority over our own lives and declare I am not an insect in a hive, I don't want to consume food that was dissigned for slave class people. I will not be subject to standardization and will not blindly march the path that has been layed out by society. Anyone here with half a brain can see the new total wave of degenerative humanity that is upon us. The easier our lives become because of mechanization the less our will to live will be exercised and if the current trends persist then those survival mechanism's will soon become switched off completely and the human species will no longer be capable of proactive evolution. This degenerative creature that man is becoming will have no instincts left to protect it from the advances of mad science and will be doomed to extention.
Its up to us to develop a new science based on stimulating positive genetic expression by wholesome means. We can build a life were the DNA is kept pure from contamination and is exposed only to the best nutrition , and a life style were the thrills of the hunt can be reasonably simulated, a life with real pourpose that will drive us to new peaks of experience . If technology were to be properly harnessed then its possible to develop protocol that would insure the health vitality and happiness for people, from an evolutionary perspective. This wont happen on a large scale due to the nature of how the world works, but for a few pioneers there should be enough space on this big blue rock to attain this Ideal on a small scale.
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I have also noticed that African Americans develop at a faster rate than most other races, which gives them a prime advantage in highschool and collage athletics. I hit a late growth spurt and wasn't finished growing to after high school, but there were African American athletes that were fully matured and well mussled by the freshman year of highschool. Collage athletics depend on recruiting the best highschool athletes, then its obvious that the African Americans who reach sexually and physical maturity at an earlyer age, will have an advantage, The early testosterone peak is what gives them black people a head start in developing athletic as well as sexual prowess. This hormonal burst may have evolved to ensure survival on the African plains, while people from other regions evolved to grow more slowly which allowed them to perfect survival skills over a longer childhood in cooler climates
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I am hardly one to speak with authority on the subject but I have read in a number of places that when early explorers came to North Am the aboriginals were very large, well-built, handsome, however you want to describe them. Since they first met the coastal aboriginals I suspect they were on pretty much a non-grain and thus a substantially meat diet with a certain amount of plant based foods.
As I recall, the Native Americans of the South were more agrarian, eating lots of grains etc. The ones to the North were more meat-oriented.
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Tyler,
That's my understanding also. Although when I went to school (earth was still cooling) the popular notion was that the aboriginals had not discovered farming which of course we now know is untrue. This knowledge is thanks to the hordes of people that were able to be supported (although in my opinion not with an optimally nutritional regimen consisting of grain and dairy diet) by the current and previous SAD regimen and allowed the luxury of spending time digging through archeological sites to determine the aboriginal diet.
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Native Americans of the South were more agrarian, eating lots of grains etc.
Amaranth grain in Mexico? Quinoa in Colombia? Which South? Both? What about wild rice? How far North was that eaten? If Minnesota, that's still South of Canada, but I just wonder how much cooking was prevalent. I have eaten all of these raw, and a popular one, sprouted wild rice in raw vegan restaurants, was completely awful to digest IMO. Then again, wild rice may not be a grain, and it has a ton of fiber. Then there's lime treated corn breads baked on rocks. I wish white man didn't show the natives how to fry their bread. Now they're addicted. It's how many get their dietary fat. I had sprouted corn at Pure Food and Wine. It was terrible; fancy and pretty, but not a very healthy food.
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I think the southern US was meant, though, of course, mexico etc. were agrarian as well.
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Could this be why it seems impossible for ancient cultures to have built the stone structures in ruins all around the world without machinery? They were just amazing physical powerhouses on paleo nutrition? Pre-degeneration.
These people were on grains. Or are you just saying that because they wouldn't have had the cumulative degeneration?
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I think the southern US was meant, though, of course, mexico etc. were agrarian as well.
One book that I read said that the eastern US at the time of us honkey's arrival was largely devoid of forestation as the local aboriginals had denuded it with regular fires so as to clear land and that the forests that Henry David Thoreau waxed poetic about around his Walden's Pond was not there in the aboriginal days. HDT apparently (mistakenly) referred to the Indians who had lived in these great forests.
I suspect that the aboriginals living in the coastal areas who were the first to see bearded white men lived on a diet substantially consisting of seafood owing to it's abundance and ease of acquisition in an inshore fishing environment. Also the maritime topsoil or lack thereof and climate made farming more challenging.
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I know I am entering this conversation late, but I wanted to comment on the ancestral diet. It may not have a link specifically to ancestry but it definately does with blood type. Which may or may not be linked. For instance, I am type O which suggests native american/asian ancesty (among a few other regions but here in the southern US it is most likely Cherokee Indian) We do have several indian/scottish marriages along the line. BUT the point being is that for blood type O it has been observed that wheat proteins added to type O blood with literally pop the blood vessels. It's extrememly toxic. I found it interesting to read on the types of food that interact with blood types directly. The test is called an Immuno-1 blood test and is available by mail here in the us. I doubt anyone paleo would have issues because by nature most things tested are eliminated.
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Interesting Hannah,
I had read that the Indians were one blood type as you mentioned "O" and that this was potentially the reason so many were killed off so quickly after the white man's arrival when unsuspecting locals contracted it and while moving from community to community spread it like wildfire. From what I read it was a slave that was onboard a Spanish ship that started the epidemics in that area that wiped out the population. The slave had contracted the disease on the way across the Atlantic. (not hard to believe with the inhumane way they were treated)
Another theory is that the Spaniards brought pigs with them for food and these animals escaped in Florida. These pigs were hosts to diseases which the local Floridians contracted upon eating them with devastating results.
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BUT the point being is that for blood type O it has been observed that wheat proteins added to type O blood with literally pop the blood vessels
is that from "doctor" dadamo and his blood-type diet quackery?
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is that from "doctor" dadamo and his blood-type diet quackery?
Quackery is all in the eyes of the beholder. ;)
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Quackery is all in the eyes of the beholder.
to an extent, yes
and definitely in the eyes of the beerholder
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/infonews-items/cordain-newsletter-criticising-blood-type-diets/
i have never seen a person with type 0 having exploading blood vessels even after eating wheat for over 80 years.
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We are at an age where there is a great missunderstanding about the power of DNA to regenerate under the right conditions. We are being told that all these degenerative diseases is due to genetic flaws or bad genes. What we aren't being told is that its all caused by the same principles that were at work in pottingers cats.There is a downward spiral of circumstances that has lead to the problems of today. As long as the genetic code is still intact and capable of healing then even in many people who have already been labled as having bad genes , cancer genes, diabetes genes there is the capacity to heal. There is still time to reverse allot of the chromosomal chaos that has been caused by the adulterations in the food and environment. I propose that returning to the evolutionary diet is the best way to reverse the damage, and perhaps in some lucky people with the DNA survival structures intact, new adaptions and mutations will occur that will spawn the new age of human development. We are all constantly germinating and the will to survive and thrive is alive within the structures of our genes, we need to focus our efforts to provide the proper nutrition and environment which will restore us to our evolutionary peak. This can be done , and I have faith that my own children could be the beginning of the neo paleo Renaissance and if I am even remotely successful then perhaps within two generations I will have personally spawned a new breed of people with the strength and vitality of the ancient Olympians, and along with proper education and a good work ethic , they will be at the pinnacle of the next phase of our species.(I can still Dream)
Things are fairly dark for those who continue to follow the recommended dietary guideline's, its time for the illuminated people to break rank and take the authority over our own lives and declare I am not an insect in a hive, I don't want to consume food that was dissigned for slave class people. I will not be subject to standardization and will not blindly march the path that has been layed out by society. Anyone here with half a brain can see the new total wave of degenerative humanity that is upon us. The easier our lives become because of mechanization the less our will to live will be exercised and if the current trends persist then those survival mechanism's will soon become switched off completely and the human species will no longer be capable of proactive evolution. This degenerative creature that man is becoming will have no instincts left to protect it from the advances of mad science and will be doomed to extention.
Its up to us to develop a new science based on stimulating positive genetic expression by wholesome means. We can build a life were the DNA is kept pure from contamination and is exposed only to the best nutrition , and a life style were the thrills of the hunt can be reasonably simulated, a life with real pourpose that will drive us to new peaks of experience . If technology were to be properly harnessed then its possible to develop protocol that would insure the health vitality and happiness for people, from an evolutionary perspective. This wont happen on a large scale due to the nature of how the world works, but for a few pioneers there should be enough space on this big blue rock to attain this Ideal on a small scale.
I like this very much :)
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to an extent, yes
and definitely in the eyes of the beerholder
http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/infonews-items/cordain-newsletter-criticising-blood-type-diets/
i have never seen a person with type 0 having exploading blood vessels even after eating wheat for over 80 years.
Whenever I hear someone crying quack, I first look at the person saying it as they are more likely to be the duck.
Maybe they had exploding blood vessels :D
I have read speculation that some of the serious problems with some grains started in earnest after the genetic fiddling that nineteenth and twentieth century biologists did. However this was speculation.... food for thought... ;)
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frankly it doesn't matter who started it or whether he was a quack or not. I also read that Berger was a phedophile who believed that adults should do away with oedipus constraints and please children. Frankly that makes me want to barf. But it doesn't mean that the science behind Raw Paleo is flawed. The Immuno-1 test has survived science and is still available and trusted in the medical community so they are obviously performing the test with measurable results. .....Or wait, maybe it's all a conspiracy.. l)
I think that really it shows that we DO adapt or were meant to eat foods that were available in our (original) geographic locations.
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I knew what was happening during my childhood wasn't anywhere near Ideal but I was poor and didn't have a choice. Now I am still fairly poor but I make more money that my mother made and am determined to spend every penny I have toward providing good living for my family. My goal is to incorporate paleo food into my children's diet and strictly limit questionable foods. Then let nature take its course and prey they are well enough to endure the occasional birthday party food, or piece of candy. Sometimes I wonder how much force I can put behind setting strict dietary standards, without being a fanatic. I am constantly lecturing my family on the dangers of letting children have unlimited amounts of processed foods and candy.
I spent 15 years fighting this battle. It helps if you have a spouse who is cooperative. I did not. The schools are a real problem. They survive on government commodities. If you pack a lunch peer pressure will be almost impossible to deal with. If you don't keep lecturing and being a good example the kids will just go to the neighbors house and eat crap while playing video games all day. You pretty much have to take it to a religious level and be a fanatic. Turn your children into missionaries. The pain and suffering of the unbelievers is pretty obvious. If you persevere your children will be smarter, stronger, faster, and proud of it. Others will take notice. The rewards are huge.
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Its up to us to develop a new science based on stimulating positive genetic expression by wholesome means. We can build a life were the DNA is kept pure from contamination and is exposed only to the best nutrition , and a life style were the thrills of the hunt can be reasonably simulated, a life with real pourpose that will drive us to new peaks of experience . If technology were to be properly harnessed then its possible to develop protocol that would insure the health vitality and happiness for people, from an evolutionary perspective. This wont happen on a large scale due to the nature of how the world works, but for a few pioneers there should be enough space on this big blue rock to attain this Ideal on a small scale.
Perhaps we should set up a charitable research foundation that supports young couples willing to start a raw paleo omnivore nutrition and exercise program months before conception (if they can last that long). In exchange for financial support to purchase the most nutritious organic grass-fed food; the foundation gets to publish statistics on the children. Let's prove it to the world. Get us back on the right track.
Any volunteers? Become an evolutionary pioneer. Get started on the fast track. Please see the personal add section of this forum. Instead of writing a book lets make some babies. I'm a little too old to be raising children but would be more than happy to supply stud services if there is a shortage of healthy young men.
Philanthropists take note: The "Raw Paleo Nutrition and Exercise Research Foundation" is now accepting tax deductible donations. Forward to a healthier yesterday.
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We need wealthy supporter of raw paleo foods who is willing to risk looking crazy. Does anyone have Mel Gibsons number. :D.
I would be happy to to help set up such a foundation and with the help of a rich beneficiary and a enough people who are willing to fight this great battle against the grain and promiss to keep their family fed according to some basic paleo protocol, then I think it could be possible to scientifically prove the great benefits this diet could offer. I don't need proof from what I have already seen it works, but I would like to be able to have some extra funding to ensure that I can afford to feed all 4 of my children the best quality foods so as to give the best possible results for such a noble prize worthy study.
We need a representative to push for such action. If anyone is remotely capable of getting this ball rolling please for the love of humanity lets do it. I know Av has done his own experiments and is somewhat credible amongst people already in the know, but we need some other prominent figure to give us mainstream credibility. This is a true calling and I feel the need to do something, but I am alone in this wilderness and have to struggle just to be taken seriously by my own family, even though they can see for themselves that my health is good and my kids are really thriving. The spell needs to be broken and if it takes scientific validation to do it then we must find a way to fund such research and ensure its carried out properly.(I can still dream)
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I am dubious of charities as there is so much potential for fraud given financial donations etc. Though I might contribute to someone setting up a genuine rawpaleo restaurant, for example.
What would be more effective, over time, would be raw food buying cooperatives where people bulk-buyed and had rawpaleo foods delivered to local warehouses to be picked up. Those organisations could influence farmers/producers more effectively than lots of single individuals.
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I just have this curse, its called wishfull thinking, and it leads me to such delusions such as, if only some really wealthy fool would sponsor and help establish these raw coops and help get the grass roots involved by giving them a platform in the media to gain support, then it would be much easier than to just rely on the word of mouth amongst us poor paleo dieters.
I couldn't even get a segment on some radio station to promote my diet, they had me on for a two minuet segment about freaky eaters and it went well and we all had a good laugh, the host said he would have me back on, but they never called and won't respond to my email. I think I was censored by the higher ups because I know these clowns who host the show, and they are up for anything. I could have explained my diet in a fun manner and expressed my self fluently. I guess that's not what they expected when they first called me up, they expected to find some nut who was full of BS and when I started to make some strong statements that were based on solid facts that was all folks. They have a stunt guy who will eat anything and drink hot sauce, I remember one show where he ate two week old thanksgiving food as some stunt, but once things get serious when someone who claims that this diet can heal people, then the censors step in and do their work as gate keeper's of the establishment.
There is a definite smokescreen being put up against all forms of deviant information that doesn't fit the status quot. It could be broken more easily by a prominent figure with the support of a genuine grass roots support system, than by just the grass roots alone. I agree with you Tyler that it would be very difficult to set up such a foundation that would rely on mainstream scientist to conduct such a paleo study, and even with a moderately wealthy backer I am not sure if we could break the strangle hold of the mainstream media, where would we find a group of unbiased researchers and reporter with the credibility to be taken seriously, even if the money was made available and fraud was not an issue. Even if the scientific study is a success what would it accomplish if the media wouldn't cover it. Does such a study need to be done anyway, just look at the traditional Eskimos and that alone can prove that raw animal foods can be healthy
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We will always be at odds with big corporations and agribusiness. Profits come before public health and even mortality rates. McDonalds Corp. is very aware that its food is harmful to the health. Mass media and governments are funded and controlled by the corporations.
Grassroot organizations are the only way around beast. Join the Weston/Price foundation if you can. Joining and starting local natural food organizations that market direct from farm to consumer is awesome.
You can get the word out through some media. Mother Earth News does do radical articles that make ecologic sense. Ther are others.
Locally I am involved with community gardens and small grass fed farming operations.
The current status quo is not sustainable and will go down sooner or later.
Peace on Earth.