Paleo Diet: Raw Paleo Diet and Lifestyle Forum
Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: goodsamaritan on August 28, 2008, 11:47:52 am
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I know many of us began on SAD.
Many have come from raw vegan.
Some have done fruitarian.
Some have done other diets.
I would like to solicit your experience regarding sexual performance, libido, and anything reproductive while on the various diets we have tried.
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All I can say is:- get hold of some raw oysters. They work the best re sex-drive. As regards raw vegan/fruitarian, they were useless for me in that regard.
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i have several years of diet experimentation, including atkins, raw paleo, raw vegan, vegetarian, real milk diet, etc. etc.
all of these diets i did was to solely improve my sexual performance... i have found a diet of meat, vegetables, fruit to be optimal for my performance, eliminating all dairy, nuts, seeds, grains, etc.
as long as i stick to that im well, i have not noticed any difference between doing high raw diet or high cooked diet.
some supplements that i have found useful in maintaining vitality.
msm, borage oil, maca, zinc, magnesium
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While still on cooked diets, I ate raw oysters 2 times a week and measured sperm count increase of 300% from 100 million / ml to 300 million / ml in 3 months.
On raw vegan (2/3 fruit), my sex drive was 1 shot per week.
On raw fruitarian, my sex drive was 1 shot per week.
On raw paleo diet, my sex drive is 3 or more shots per week.
It seems RPD makes me healthy and horny. ;D
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I haven't noticed much difference. My sex drive is more tied to my emotional state it seems than my diet. One thing though is that when eating mostly raw meat my stomach is never uncomfortably full or upset for other reasons which can get in the way of sex, so that's something.
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I masturbate about once a day. (this is forced though) Recently on my trip to the Philippines though, I found it difficult to maintain an erection and continue after ejaculating once. I'm only 23 but I do admit my libido is way down. It's nothing like it was when I was 16,17 yrs old in hs. I contribute this to my poor eating habits. Yet another reason I'm on RPD. I plan getting blood work done after one month or two on the diet to see how I'm doing.
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I haven't noticed much difference. My sex drive is more tied to my emotional state it seems than my diet. One thing though is that when eating mostly raw meat my stomach is never uncomfortably full or upset for other reasons which can get in the way of sex, so that's something.
I see it like Kyle. Sex might be better now, but sex is very much in the mind and heart.
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Zero sex drive on raw vegan. I became celibate.
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Zero sex drive on raw vegan. I became celibate.
Ouch! Death blow for the raw vegan camp. So who wants to date raw vegan women with zero sex drive? Equally zero sex drive men?
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Although I am still transitioning over to the paleo diet I can confirm that meat, especially red meat, does wonders for my sex drive and erections. Many philosophies and religions tell you to avoid meat if you are trying to abstain.
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I haven't noticed much difference. My sex drive is more tied to my emotional state
This, but my emotional state is tied with diet for sure.
I noticed highest sex drive while on a standard high carb/processed diet. Unhealthily high though. It probably would have burn out and plumetted to rock bottom in a decade or two which is quite common with people today.
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I lost my sex drive on raw vegan. It was fine and even higher than normal when I first started eating raw vegan, but it dropped to almost 0 after awhile.
I suddenly have a much higher sex drive now that I have added raw dairy and raw eggs.
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Although I am still transitioning over to the paleo diet I can confirm that meat, especially red meat, does wonders for my sex drive and erections. Many philosophies and religions tell you to avoid meat if you are trying to abstain.
Yes, and the Seventh Day Adventist vegetarian Dr. John Harvey Kellogg advocated corn flakes and soy milk and discouraged meat eating in part as a way to reduce the sex drive, which he thought was sinful and unhealthy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg). It's fascinating how he convinced people that symptoms of poor health are actually signs of good health and that unnatural behavior is "normal" and even virtuous. Of course, nowadays views have changed and Viagra has helped a lot of vegetarians and SAD devotees keep their libido going. ;D
There are other examples, too. Mohandis K. Gandhi considered himself oversexed and adopted a vegetarian diet in large part to reduce his sex drive.
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Hi folks,
I' was vegan and fruitarian recently ( only fruits ) for about 6 months.
But i loss my sex drive, i became more celibate.
I'm doing calisthenics, bicycle, walkings.
In this moment about four days i'm consuming this:
Fruits ( Bananas, oranges, mango )
Eggs ( Yolks )
Cheese
Olive Oil
Bee Pollen
B12 Supplement
I have a girlfriend and i lost my sex drive, i can't have a orgasm when he have sexual intimacy.
I have the erection, but i can't reach the final zone, like the pleasure were gone.
I could have sex all night, but without having an orgasm.
This is not good i guess.
What should i do?
Can someone help me?
Should i need to giving up fruits?
Thanks a lot, i need a hint!
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You might consider incorporating more seafood amd raw fats into your diet. Replace fruit with copious greens, offal, berries and perhaps starchy veggies. Add seaweeds. Try yogurts and add some fermented veggies from time to time. Start aging a large chunk of raw meats and start to eat that after a few weeks. Eat raw or gently cooked meats if you crave proteins and add plenty of fat if you have excess hunger. Make sure to eat all parts of the animal, nutrients and good fatty acids are dense in the organs, different animo acids/proteins are present in different types of tissues such as ligaments, cartilage, skin, marrow. This is a hugely nutrient dense diet and if you are plenty of animal fats from various healthful sources you will also be getting precursors to hormones and help your body heal. See if you can get a hold of oysters or testicles. Drink clean water, breathe a lot of fresh air, let your body rest, do restorative yoga, get sunshine, believe in your own power to heal, share loving touch and intimacy that isnt sexual, do self massage or receive massage.
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Thanks a lot for your time.
I will consider to add this foods into my diet.
Because i'm so desperate.
Thanks a lot!
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you may want to research for yourself what fruit/sugar does to blood sugar levels and hence insulin secretion and hence hormonal imbalance and hence overall body health. It's a complex topic but worth learning for yourself if you're going to choose to get most of your calories from fruit/sugar.
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If you read this post on this thread
Yes, and the Seventh Day Adventist vegetarian Dr. John Harvey Kellogg advocated corn flakes and soy milk and discouraged meat eating in part as a way to reduce the sex drive, which he thought was sinful and unhealthy.... There are other examples, too. Mohandis K. Gandhi considered himself oversexed and adopted a vegetarian diet in large part to reduce his sex drive.
you can easily see that avoidance of animal protein is a religious or moral practice, but it exists nowhere as a natural diet of mankind. Animal protein, whether from insects, mammals, birds, sea creatures, etc., is part of our natural intake, and sexual drive is part of our natural expression. You can deliberately reduce your sexual drive by withholding nutrients, but that doesn't sound like your goal in life. :)
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I was a vegetarian in my teens which ended in my early twenties. I had a ridiculous sex drive but was also very aggressive in other respects so I am not sure if it was healthy just because it was robust, perhaps it was excessive. I did try raw vegan low glycemic for a short period of time and with all of the other stressors in my life(too many artificial hormones via birth control and emergency contraceptive, extreme anxiety and long standing depression, eating disorders etc..). I lost my ability to menstrate and ovulate for 5 years. Even after adopting raw meat eating my fertility did not come back. It was only until I adopted a ketogenic diet that my fertility came back within two weeks. I believe a long stabdig blood sugar issues and endocrine imbalance were at work and that low glycemic diet helped to reset my body. I did not fully regain my health until I adopted a moderate diet that includes raw animal meats, offals and fats, aged meats, raw dairy and fermented diary, certain cooked vegetables, some raw vegetables, mostly non cruciferous greens, roots, herbs, mushrooms, whatever is in season really, very minimal fruits, if any, seaweeds and salts as well. This has lead me to a very balanced body and mind an continually improved health. After 5 years of celibacy due to no desire I enjoy physical relations again:). Although I don't think my hormone levels will ever be as high as they could be had I not gone through what I have, but I will gladly accept the healing and continue down the path to sustained wellness.
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I had an absurdly high sex-drive in my cooked-food-eating days. It got so annoying that I sometimes had to drink alcohol quite a bit in order to calm myself down to more normal levels. I still had an overly high sex-drive in my raw vegan/fruitarian days and was thankful when I became more normal once I went rawpalaeo.
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Hi folks,
I' was vegan and fruitarian recently ( only fruits ) for about 6 months.
But i loss my sex drive, i became more celibate.
I'm doing calisthenics, bicycle, walkings.
In this moment about four days i'm consuming this:
Fruits ( Bananas, oranges, mango )
Eggs ( Yolks )
Cheese
Olive Oil
Bee Pollen
B12 Supplement
I have a girlfriend and i lost my sex drive, i can't have a orgasm when he have sexual intimacy.
I have the erection, but i can't reach the final zone, like the pleasure were gone.
I could have sex all night, but without having an orgasm.
This is not good i guess.
What should i do?
Can someone help me?
Should i need to giving up fruits?
Thanks a lot, i need a hint!
Try eating raw oysters.
You might be zinc deficient.
Zinc will allow your testicles to produce lots of sperm.
And don't use condoms... so not paleo, sex deadening.
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Did you have real sex yet?
Maybe you need some.
And please list down exactly what veggies and what fruits you are eating.
Generic veggie is bad or fruit is bad just doesn't make sense.
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Thanks a lot jessica for your comment, very helpful.
And thanks all for the warm help.
I'm eating meat, eggs, cheese ( I think i will remove, not sure ), some veggies, fish, but fruits...
I think i need to cut fruit from my diet, need to test without fruit.
OBSERVATION in this last days
My sex drive are better, but I'm feeling and dealing with much much anxiety, feeling very sad, loss feelings.
I can't control this anxiety, :(
My routine so far
BREAKFAST
Juice with 3 bananas and 2 eggs raw
SNACK
2 small Bananas
LUNCH
3 cow Burguers
2 eggs
Lettuce
Maybe it's the fruit carbs? or the body healing?
Can someone help me again?
And again Thanks a lot for your tips.
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What is in the juice?
What kind of bananas and how big?
How much lettuce raw?
Cow burgers? Raw? Lean?
Were the eggs commercial? Fertilized?
I get hypo glycemic when I do not eat enough fat and eat too much carbs.
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My sex drive are better, but I'm feeling and dealing with much much anxiety, feeling very sad, loss feelings.
I can't control this anxiety, :(
Maybe it's the fruit carbs? or the body healing?
Can someone help me again?
Magnesium deficiency. Those are magnesium deficiency symptoms.
What can also lead to magnesium deficiency is gut issues, inflammation and bloating; and too high fiber. Doesn't let nutrients, especially minerals be absorbed well, and it leeches them from the rest of the body to the gut for healing it. And too high sugar; sugar needs quite a bit of magnesium to be metabolized.
Plus the effects of EM radiation, toxins, noise, and more that play a part on magnesium levels.
Also, a healing body naturally requires more nutrients and minerals.
It is very hard to get enough magnesium from just food. To get enough from just food have to live in rather specific (clean, unpolluted) places where soils are richer (or rather not farmed empty) of magnesium (and other stuff) and you eat local foods (or a lot of seafood).
So... I'd recommend MgCl2 or MgSO4.
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Could it be.
I did an analysis recently and everything was fine, but unknowns.
But i will try to check once more if i can.
You could be very right, because i felt some effects that you mentioned.
People told me that the Brazil nuts is good for magnesium, but like you said they could have some toxic problem.
I'm from portugal by the way.
My english is not perfect, but i'm trying.
All raw, except the meat.
Big bananas.
Juice only with the bananas and the eggs. ( no water ).
Not commercial eggs. Home made eggs.
My body temperature is very low, my hands are very cold, like death.
OBS:
I will try to cut the carbs from the fruits, like bananas, and see if i will get better.
When i was fruitarian, i felt peace, but in this kind of diet, i'm feeling the opposite, too much anxiety.
I will try removing the carbs, or reducing first like some of you mention.
The magnesium i will check.
Thank you so much for your adds.
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My body temperature is very low, my hands are very cold, like death.
Iodine deficiency does this... and again gut inflammation can also lead to this. And some possible other causes for similar effect. Iodine the likeliest and easiest to solve.
Sea vegetables are high in natural iodine.
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Espirito you may want to try eating what you have for lunch for breakfast, it may help to have more protein in the morning and carbs later in the day. Also some people do not do well with raw egg white and prolonged ingestion can cause vitamin b12 to not be absorbed, perhaps just try the yolks instead. I agree that adding seaweed may help, seafood is also beneficial for trace minerals and iodine. Eating more greens general helps when one is trying to cut down on fruits.
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I'm guessing too many big bananas.
If I eat too much sweet carbs I get hypoglycemia which may be what you call anxiety.
So I learned from the guys and gals here to eat a high fat diet and the carbs just enough so I do not get hypoglycemia.
I used to make mistakes from time to time just how much carbs and how much fat so I get that balance.
Nowadays I can instinctively eat what I need.
More fat... find big steak fat. I will look for a pic.
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Thanks all for your comments.
Very nice.
Jessica thanks i will try that.
I discover something hypoglycemia, this kills the sex drive to.
So regarding to some comments, i will try to remove the sugar from my food intake, and betting more in other foods.
Maybe i can restore this.
I will let you know if i recover from this nightmare for me.
Thanks a lot!
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The more raw animal fat I consume, the more I'm thinking and feeling...sex. Raw butter, raw fat from beef, I just cut into a steak from the local health food store meat market, rib steak super fatty, had slices of it with a tiny bit of raw honey and green onions. Also putting butter, around 2T into my Dandy Blend (roasted roots drink) with dark chocolate. Yum, ANIMAL FAT RULES!!
When I see all the old people bent down, crippled and demented with Alzheimer's, I harken back to the lies they told us about animal fat being bad and see the results.
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Today i didn't eat fruit, only fat animals, and at the end of the afternoon, i ate dark chocolate.
My report:
I'm very very sad, because i'm worst, maybe it's the carbs?
I can't lift my pennis today, don't have the strength to do that.
In the morning i ate 4 yolks.
I will ate 4 yolks again at the end of the day.
I 'm very sad, i think something is missing here, maybe is the carbs.
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It's not an overnight fix. It may take weeks or moths or years. All your eating is egg yolks? Add some green vegetables, yogurt, meats, seaweed and seafood.
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Yes, it can take a while to feel better, but I don't understand why you are so extreme in your diet, going from tons of hybrid tropical fruit (in the middle of winter!) to only egg yolks. At the very least, it takes a few days to a few weeks to get comfortable with ultra-low carb intakes, and unless you are trying to control brittle diabetes or seizures or something like that, there is no reason to eliminate carbs entirely. I control diabetes completely with RPD, and I used blood sugar testing to determine how much carbs I can eat at one sitting (about half an apple or a whole load of crunchy veggies), and I can eat more carbs later when I've digested the first batch.
Before you start looking for mini-cures, try eating a moderate raw paleo diet of seasonal foods. Give it about six weeks for the initial trial, and then see how you are feeling. In Portugal, your climate is like mine (temperate), so you can enjoy the many foods that are available locally to you.
Also, about sadness: Being sick can make you deeply sad. I went through that sadness when I was invalid and adjusting to not walking. I hope you get to find the constructive, creative side of your sadness. For me, it means that for as long as I live, I know every day of my life that I can live in a wheelchair if I should need to. For you, it would mean that you could live without sexual orgasm if you should need to. Overcoming sadness is worth it, because the sadness itself makes all your suffering deeper, and finding happiness makes you heal faster.
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In my experience healing men with erectile dysfunction... the KEY ingredient is RAW RED MEAT everyday for a month.... which you are NOT eating.
So unless you really go RAW PALEO, you will not be able to cure your sex drive and erectile dysfunction.
You are NOT on raw paleo diet yet... because you said so yourself... your meat is not raw.
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I've read a few people on here that claimed lots of fresh raw milk helped them
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Thanks to all.
I discover something, and in the last three days, i had my sex drive back!!
I will share with you guys.
I' started to eat tuna, fish, and i regained my sex drive.
In this last three days i had my sex drive.
The thing, is that in the first day, i had in the afternoon the sexual desire, but then i had a sexual relationship with my girl, and then my sex drive gone for several hours, i didn't recover from it.
In the next day, i felt a bit weird, i felt something is different.
But today in the third day ... After lunch i consumed ( The day isn't over )
Cals: 1413
Protein: 110,03
Sugar: 18,22
Carbs: 49,47
Fat: 86,84
Col: 616
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Carbs (14%)
Fat (55%)
Protein (31%)
I'm having an amazing sex drive. My body is very hot ( Temperature )
In the morning i had sex, and in this afternoon i'm feeling the mood to have again.
What do you think guys?
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Raw tuna is red meat. (I am assuming you ate raw.)
Good. Keep going.
I started this diet with just raw sea food.
And later on was craving for raw red meat land animals.
You will get there some day.
I am happy you are happy. :)
Try raw oysters... will give you lots of sperm... more bullets.
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Very interesting.
Yes i ate raw.
Yes i will give a try on that oister.
Thanks very much for your adds, and thanks all for the comments. :)
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Raw tuna is red meat. (I am assuming you ate raw.)
Good. Keep going.
I started this diet with just raw sea food.
And later on was craving for raw red meat land animals.
You will get there some day.
I am happy you are happy. :)
Try raw oysters... will give you lots of sperm... more bullets.
im surprised you didn't talk about all the old men you know that get their sex drive back from eating raw tuna.
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Hi guys,
I didn't mention, but i'am eating chocolate ( 70 % cacao ), a piece of this before a couple minutes, and everything went to the sky.
The cinnamon has the same effect on myself.
I did a intake of cinnamon and chocolate, before being with my girl, and i need to tell that this was a super power mix. -d
If i discover more things i will share.
Thanks again,
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Esposito you are probably burning yourself out more by relying on chocolate.
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Congratulations on experimenting! Write them down. Or blog about them.
And thank you for sharing!
Being able to have sex again after a long period of illness or dysfunction is exhilirating.
I also did chocolate experiments last year.
Cacao butter is superior to soy lecithin, soy lecithin makes me feel bad.
Eating a lot of chocolates even at 70% can make me fat.
It seems to fill in some nutrition I may not be getting.
I am done with my chocolate experiments and stopped it December 2014.
I got the idea from https://www.facebook.com/BernandoLaPallo (https://www.facebook.com/BernandoLaPallo) who said it is one of his super foods.
My wife takes raw cacao nibs.
I think eating too much chocolate can result in eating too much sugar.
Chocolate is usually cacao + cacao butter + cow's milk + sugar.
But I think it was worth experimenting and knowing about how chocolate affects my body.
Why Bernando above thinks chocolate is a super food.
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I gather it is possible to eat raw chocolate(ie raw cacao) but have not been able to do so. When I have been able to eat cooked chocolate, I have always had to go to the toilet soon after., so it must have a laxative effect.
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Chocolate probably fills the need for magnesium but it is draining to the adrenals as it is a stimulant, and also very high in copper, which can imbalance zinc, low zinc can drive down testosterone levels and is often associated with meatless diets.
GS your heritage must make you better able to digest plant based fats. Cacao butter is the most unpleasant tasting thing I have ever had and sits like a lump in my stomach.
Tyler, chocolate also used to make me poop, I think it was he mix if caffiene and magnesium.
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I rub a mix of coconut and cacao butter all over my body, it great for sensual massage.
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I need to eat small doses, to not ruin my body.
Like if you eat many of course, you can ruin your body i suppose.
So if you eat 2 pieces of chocolate ( cacao 70 % ) , you can be fine i guess.
But like everything depends on many factors.
Today i tested, i ate fruits until the lunch, and my sex drive was low.
In lunch, i resolved to put some rice, and burgers, and i ate for desert 2 pieces of chocolate.
I'm feeling better, with more appetite.
I was feeling better until i started to eat fruits again, my mental state are not good either today, brain fog...
Maybe i can't eat fruits or sugar, but i need to do more tests.
I will put here more results if i discover about things.
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What "fruits" made you feel bad?
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Re 70% cacao: this is as sugary a form of chocolate as you can find! You can look at the label for carbs, which will be mostly sugar, and figure that 25g of carbs is equivalent to a banana.
If you are certain you want to eat chocolate, my daughter recommends raw cacao nibs, although I think they taste like pencil shavings. You can also get 90% cacao with a negligible amount of sugar, or bakers unsweetened chocolate (if you like bitter foods) with no sugar at all.
I buy unsweetened raw cacao powder to make smoothies for my grandchildren.
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When I go through my chocolate times, I buy raw whole nibs ( you have to dig to see who really has raw ) and run them through my meat grinder with small sieve. It comes out like angle hair pasta, ready to ad coconut oil and a trace of honey. As good and probably better than most chocolates out there. But beware, it's hard to stop eating it.
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I suspect that there is a great difference in individuals ability to metabolize the active components of Chocolate. Some people may be enzymatically deficient, or have some other metabolic variation which makes it more difficult to handle the stuff. This is why some people can eat large amounts without issue, while others go running to the bathroom after a small piece.
It can be lethal to dogs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobromine_poisoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theobromine_poisoning)
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I never had this laxative effect with chocolate when I was still ill pre-RPD diet. It seems as though my body now recognises the cooked chocolate as a direr toxin than most, so gets rid of it a lot quicker.
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What "fruits" made you feel bad?
I think all ...
Related to the brain,I notice that when i eat fruits, the brain fog, comes with more intensity.
Maybe this is why i loss some of the sex drive, but like i said i need to do more tests.
I read something about some people can't eat fruits... maybe its my case.
I remember that before the fruitarian and the vegan style, i ate a lot fruits, with meat, but my sex drive was decreasing with time.
Maybe it's something about sugars, but i will see..
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Answering to some comments, raw pure cacao don't give me the sex drive that the chocolate does.
This is not a joke of course, i'm taking this very serious.
So i'm sharing this discoveries, to help others.
Your comments are very helpful to me, so please feel free to share your views, your experiences to.
Yesterday, i consumed fruits in the morning and i had difficulties to stay focus, my body temp diminish very much.
At lunch, i ate rice to test, and 2 cow burgers, with cheese, but nothing happens, my ability to think clear, and to stay focus, remained the same, until the snack hour.
I went to home after work, and i did a snack, with 3 yolks with milk, cinnamon.
Past some minutes i started to notice that my body temp increased in the sexual zone, and i seemed to be more focus in things.
At dinner, i ate fish with rice ( Testing ) and 2 pieces of chocolate.
I went to see my girl, and when she touches me i felt " The sex drive " instantly.
My body temp was very high.
Today i'm testing eating in a strange way ok, but to see if something has to do with the fruits or other thing.
My BF Today
3 Yolks
1 Tuna can
2 Peaces of dark chocolate ( 70 % cacao ) supermarket.
At the moment my body temp is very high, if i want i can have sex.
POSITIVE TO MY SYSTEM:
Yolks can work very well
Chocolate works very well with me
Fish can work very well
Cinnamon is giving me some boost if i bet in this.
NEGATIVE TO MY SYSTEM
. Fruits are not being good to me ( I suppose that is giving me the brain fog, the sex drive low ) maybe the frutose in this form, are not very good.
DOUBTS
Meat, Rice, veggies, others, i don't know at this point if messes with my system.
Need to do more tests.
I did a great recover in a few days of my sex drive.
I will post here more results.
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In fruits the problem might not be from the sugar but from fiber. Though excess sugar is also bad.
Fiber in excess is harmful to the gut, and if gut is harmed it will leech minerals from the body to the gut for healing. Minerals like magnesium that is needed for mental clarity and many other things. So you'll end up being down low in all regards.
Personally, there are times when I can't eat fruits at all (including berries). And times when I need them a bit.
The intolerance to fruits can be a temporary thing (especially when they are consumed too much and to excess, in this case might take months to "normalize" the body's reaction to fruits).
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Thanks a lot for your add.
This is why i'm trying to remove them and see if something happen.
The magnesium in tuna and chocolate, maybe is why i'm having more sex drive.
But let's see!
Thanks again!
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Some foods are not meant to be consumed raw. Some need fermenting and even cooking to be suitable for consumption. Cacao may be one of them.
http://www.thestoryofchocolate.com/Who/content.cfm?ItemNumber=3445 (http://www.thestoryofchocolate.com/Who/content.cfm?ItemNumber=3445)
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Espirito, I do understand your primary concern with sex drive, and with brain fog. But here and there you list what you are eating, and I see that you are not eating a paleolithic diet, let alone a raw paleo diet. This stands out when you mention eating rice (a cooked neolithic food) and canned tuna (a cooked food). You did mention earlier that you were following a paleo diet, but I see that you are not, so I thought I would ask about this. My own perspective is that it is more expeditious to establish health with a raw paleo diet that to cure the ill effects of neolithic eating with bio-hacking schemes.