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Title: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on May 28, 2011, 12:03:49 am
So, I started a raw paleo diet. Yesterday, pretty much. Although I managed to eat some almost-but-not-quite raw bison steak the other day. It was hard, but I did eat it. It was a small amount, and I got through it.
Today, second strong day of being on the raw sort of paleo diet, I'm preparing to eat my first really, completely, totally raw meat. I've put honey and some cream with it to try to entice myself, but the psychological block is strong. I'm procrastinating by writing about it first... it's raw chicken, because that's what I've got.
Honey was a good idea, because I'm a real "sweet tooth" person.
I'm not liking the texture very much. Feeling a little queasy. It's the thought that counts, you know. My mind is screaming -v !!
LOL, I wonder how long it will be before I quit reacting this way.
Three bites and my stomach is in knots. This is definitely not something I'm taking to. Maybe I'll put it into the mixer and blend it for drinking instead...
Whew, who knew it would be so hard!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on May 28, 2011, 12:18:05 am
Okay, so I mixed it in a food processor, and it got kind of creamy. I put it on some bread, and I'm chowing down. I'll have to eat more of it later. I think it's the texture that was really, really messing with me. But the problem here is that there isn't really all that much on the bread. Next time, I think I may well do it as some kind of pate. I know A. V. doesn't want us to use salt, but I think for now I'll use some Bragg's to get myself past the psychological hump.
It's not as easy to get past that conditioning as one might think.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: p0wer on May 28, 2011, 01:56:50 am
Seriously, honey and meat? Very bad idea if you ask me :D I wouldn't put anything on it, just eat it as it is. Blending (or whatever that food processor is doing) also doesn't sound like a good idea.
Anyway don't worry, it takes some time for the brain and taste to get used to raw stuff. After a while you'll be craving it.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: achillezzz on May 28, 2011, 04:44:54 am
Honey and meat? Are you a pervert or something?xD You gotta practice intermittent fasting and mind control.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: CitrusHigh on May 28, 2011, 05:35:16 am
haha ignore the cheerleaders, do whatever you gotta do to get it in to ya! Later, when you see that you didn't die from it, you can be more confident!
It may help to bulldoze your pychological barriers with all the reasons why raw meat is safe and healthy from animals eating their natural diets...I'll start you off....
-You have a whole forum of people who live this way each day. Meaning that if germ theory were true, they would be improbably lucky 2-3 times or more each day, 365 days per year, for however long they've each been doing it, for probably a collective time period of more than 100 years. -We are the ONLY creatures on the planet that cook their food. We are also the ones who experience the most degenerative and infectious disease symptoms. -Raw meat is full of light energy (biophotons), just like raw plants are. When cooked that light energy is dispersed and wasted. -Only seldom on here do you hear about parasite issues or sickness, and typically it is because of some other vices, unhealthy habits or because they panicked at the first sign of problems and when wimpering back to conventional poiso- woops I mean 'medicine'! haha -Your aversion to raw meats is 100% learned behaviour, most infants, when offered raw meats, will consume them greedily, especially the ones that best suit their physiological needs at the time.
Ok, that was a good start, now you can do some more rationalizing on your own! Think hunter gatherers, think eskimos, think Aajonus, think common sense.
Good luck!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: lex_rooker on May 28, 2011, 05:50:11 am
Amris, Take it slow. You have plenty of time. Make small changes first like removing the really bad things from your diet like soda, candy, etc. Then move on and slowly remove grains, then beans and legumes, etc. Do things one step at a time. When you get to the point where you are eating the kind of foods you think are best and removed those that are worst, then slowly start cooking them less and less. Over time you'll get used to the new textures and flavors and will ultimately start to prefer them - but it does take time - maybe several years. So what? You are doing this for you and if you want to be successful you have to do it in a way that you can sustain it or you will quickly give up.
When I started it took me almost a year before I got to the point where I was eating just meat, green vegetables, salads, and a bit of fruit. At this point the meat and veggies were mostly cooked. Over the next year I got so I was eating my veggies raw and my meat at medium rare. It wasn't until almost 3 years into changing my diet from SAD to Paleo that I took the step to convert to raw meat and even that transition took several months before I was fully comfortable with it. Think of it as a journey and each small step you take will improve you health. You can stop at any point along the way or even move backwards if this is what you feel is right.
You ultimately need to do what works for you, not what others think is right. From what you have written so far, cold turkey isn't working. Time to rethink your goal and your strategy to attain it.
Lex
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Ioanna on May 28, 2011, 07:27:12 am
FWIW, I've not even tried raw chicken yet, but it's on my list after i try more organ meats.
i used sea salt in the beginning to help with the texture, then i dropped the sea salt and would put my meat in a dehydrator for a short time. a few months in, and eating raw was just normal!.. no texture-disguising techniques needed :D.. well, that's for red meat. as i said, i have yet to try chicken.
like lex said, it's YOUR journey!... have fun!!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: p0wer on May 28, 2011, 07:39:56 am
Alternatively I'd suggest you start with raw fish. Raw salmon for example (especially when fresh and hasn't been frozen before) is delicious! Even my girlfriend who's afraid of bacteria, worms, etc. in raw animal stuff likes salmon. After some time you can start slowly transitioning to meat.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 28, 2011, 09:29:29 am
It helps when you are really very hungry.
And follow the guide for newbies how to adjust, I did that and it helped me.
And if you are trying to overcome grave illness, it's a no brainer.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: RawZi on May 28, 2011, 09:40:30 pm
I dislike grainfed chicken, the smell. Honey helps me. A lot of people make chicken into ceviche or other raw chicken salad based in sour cream (I think), to start with tomato or avocado. I've never had it as a pudding or smoothie, but I know some women who do and like it very much. They use either eggs, milk, lemon and or vanilla to help it along. They say the chicken is a good thickener. I don't know the recipes as I eat mine plain or with butter. It does get better. I couldn't stand the texture or smell of chicken at first either. It's worth it. I feel really healthy eating chicken (only raw never been frozen). I'm feeling more and more that chicken is more sensitive than beef or fish to freezing. I think Aajonus's RFLWD has chicken soup recipes in it. Again, I go more for the info than fancy, complicated or time consuming ways to prepare the food. I'm done with that. Did that for decades when I was non meat.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: CitrusHigh on May 28, 2011, 10:01:49 pm
Chicken, though I don't have it too often because truly free range chicken is an arm and a leg, is one of my faves. I like the saltiness of the meat, especially if it's held in the mouth a while and is room temp or warmer to begin with. Pheasant, turkey and grouse as well, all equally delicious with different nuances. Of course the wild birds a bit more flavorful, but our free range roosters which we butcher to keep them from ganging up on the hens are for all intents and purposes just about as wild in diet as pheasant. I like to take a hunk of breast meat and suck on it like a popsicle almost (usually I do this when alone, most people are repulsed by such behaviour!) and that, I think, allows the saliva to work on it and open up the flavors a bit. But oh my, if you can ever get raw liver out of a game bird that has just been shot moments before, what a delicacy! Along the lines of uni, except that it's warm and delicate, and complex and creamy, mMmmM(without ANY funkiness). Like you said RawZi, freshness is key, and the fresherer the betterer!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on May 29, 2011, 06:05:55 am
Thanks everyone for all the thoughts and encouragement. I'm not giving up, but I can't lie. I couldn't get much of the chicken down. I do have some salmon in there, I'm going to try that probably today or tomorrow. I've been raw otherwise, except I had a bit of cooked turkey for lunch as I was out at my MIL's house.
I'm nowhere near ready to start telling them, "I'll have mine raw, kkthx!" -d
But I'm definitely going to make this work. It may take me a while, though, lol. Not so easy to get past 39 years of conditioning.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 29, 2011, 08:22:12 am
View enough of the videos on youtube of us eating raw meats to keep you company while you eat. Eating is a social thing. Try going to a Japanese restaurant and see people enjoy various sashimi.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: eveheart on May 29, 2011, 10:24:44 am
WOW! All this talk about raw chicken made me go out and buy some, and...
I really like it! I ate it with a knife and fork, slicing it like sashimi. The texture reminds me of good sashimi, the flavor is mild. The price for organic skinless, boneless breast is way high, but less than half the price of salmon. I was expecting slime, but No! it's very palatable, once I got over the mental block.
This forum is so helpful.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Max on May 29, 2011, 01:53:02 pm
I don't know what kind of meat you are getting but I highly suggest getting the best quality possible. What I mean by that is fresh grassfed beef. I will also say the mental barrier of eating raw meat takes time to get across. Maybe you only eat a few bites the first day. Maybe you gag. But if you continue to eat this way you will get used to it. I was gaging on raw sashimi grade yellowfin tuna in march this year. That was my first raw meat ever. Now, just this weekend (not 3 months later) I found myself enjoying the taste of fresh grassfed beef. (And now of course I find many raw seafoods appetizing) Find a meat (high quality) that works for you and take it one day at a time.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on May 30, 2011, 09:45:01 am
Alright. I did eat some raw chicken. I cannot lie, I cheated, though. I went SAD and made a chicken salad sandwhich and made it half with regular chicken and half with raw.
It was pretty tasty, actually... 8)
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: CitrusHigh on May 30, 2011, 10:12:15 am
I wouldn't consider that cheating and definitely not sad...unless you added doritos and washed down with a coca cola! hahaa!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on May 30, 2011, 10:16:42 am
Nah, it's homemade bread from locally-grown organic wheat flour. But I did use mayo and some pickles (my own pickles, brined, not heated, at least). The mayo and the cooked chicken are obviously not quite within the boundaries, but getting myself to eat the raw meat is very hard.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: CitrusHigh on May 30, 2011, 10:34:36 am
Think about how amazing it is that you're eating even one bite of raw chicken?!?!?! Think about the 99% or more of people out there who would consider that like dosing yourself with salmonella! Don't focus on what you think could be improved, instead, congratulate yourself for being braver than 99% of the ignorants out there! You are a very special, amazing person Amris, keep up the great work!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on May 30, 2011, 10:45:45 am
You've definitely got a point, thank you. <3
It's been a real challenge to even get it in me, so I'll take your advice and be a little easier on myself about it.
Surprisingly, I couldn't really tell the difference from "normal" chicken salad sandwich. So I think I can keep adding a bit more each day as I eat it... build up more raw versus cooked chicken in it.
I'm still afraid of just eating it, just like that, though.
But I figure getting some in me is a good first step. I didn't even gag once, which impressed me because I know the power of my mind to control my responses.
Thanks again!!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: goodsamaritan on May 30, 2011, 10:58:55 am
I did raw chicken experiments months ago and didn't really like it.
Early this year I had chicken cravings... dreams.
I bought roast chicken and ate it and was just not happy about it.
So I bought the best organic raw chicken I could find and that satisfied my cravings.
That was months ago and lately I don't look for chicken.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on May 30, 2011, 11:13:58 am
I am kind of focused on chicken because AV recommends it for a certain issue I am experiencing. Oddly, I don't know if it's the tiny bits of chicken I've gotten or the general increase in healthy raw fats, but I've noticed improvement already.
Yay! :D
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on May 31, 2011, 11:25:50 pm
My 4 year old is eating that chicken salad like it's going out of style! :o
I can't keep it in the fridge, and she has no idea it's any different from our usual chicken salad sandwiches...
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on June 02, 2011, 12:52:51 am
I ate a small amount of raw salmon in a sandwich today. Granted, it wasn't much, but I ate it!
My daughter has suddenly stopped eating the chicken sandwiches. I know she can't tell there's raw chicken in it.... she just doesn't want it and can't explain why.
Maybe the raw chicken is bothering her? ???
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: CitrusHigh on June 02, 2011, 01:23:52 am
That sounds like instincto eating to me! If instincto theory is correct, appetite for certain foods can be lost in as little as one bite to the next, or over just a few bites.
That's totally fine, don't force her, instead, offer her other foods, like your raw salmon, hidden if necessary until you find what her body is in need of. Kids' instincts are much more intact because they haven't had decades of 'reason' and 'logic' trampling on it. That is a gift, and you can learn from her!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on June 03, 2011, 09:43:24 am
Well, now I'm having a problem with my teeth. I have one molar on the left that is in pain and sensitive to hot and cold as well as pressure. I could eat on the right side, though there was a cavity between one of my molars and the tooth in front of it. Well, now the right molar has broken off a large chip and is now also sensitive to hot, cold, and pressure.
I can't afford a dentist.
So now, in essence, I can't eat. >:
Ugh, I don't know what to do!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: goodsamaritan on June 03, 2011, 09:56:17 am
Put clove oil on it it will stop the pain in 1 minute.
Stop pain with raw paleo diet, temporary 100% carnivore for 3 days with lots of raw bone marrow, liver, red meat, live fat. Cut in swallowable cubes. You do not need to chew meat or fat.
I actually did this for my girl when she was 5.
Read more and videos at http://www.myhealthblog.org/2008/07/11/cure-tooth-decay/
Another technique is do not brush your teeth.
Instead do oil pulling with virgin coconut oil for 20 minutes total a day.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on June 03, 2011, 07:43:09 pm
I'm not sure I can find bone marrow. I'll look.
And I'll give it a try. I got some temporary filling stuff. Seems to have helped my left tooth, but not the right side much.
I used to do oil pulling, but after a while it actually started to make things worse so I gave up. I've been thinking a lot lately about going back to it, though. I guess you just confirmed it. :)
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on June 03, 2011, 10:46:45 pm
By the way, I am sick right now. Runny nose, watery eyes, bad cough with phlegm... but oddly, I feel okay. Like underneath it all, I still have energy, I don't feel totally wiped out and destroyed by it. I feel emotionally okay, not like the standard depression that usually accompanies being sick.
I know it sounds peculiar to say, but even though I'm sick, I feel okay, lol.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on June 04, 2011, 06:04:58 am
Okay, first thing. I got calf liver. I ate some of it raw, as much as i could get myself to eat. Oddly, it's hilarious in a way... raw liver neither tastes nor smells nearly as bad as cooked liver, which is disgusting! It's kind of sweet, both in smell and taste. Peculiar.
As far as not feeling that bad... I drove for an hour and a half to go buy a tent... and now I feel like hammered hell! Ugh! I take it all back, I feel dreadful!
*sigh*
Detox or whatever, right? meh.
Maybe too much honey!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: eveheart on June 04, 2011, 08:51:08 am
Oddly, it's hilarious in a way... raw liver neither tastes nor smells nearly as bad as cooked liver, which is disgusting! It's kind of sweet, both in smell and taste. Peculiar.
That's what I've noticed, too. Raw organ meats are tasty, in their own way, and never strong like their cooked counterparts. Similarly, now that I'm used to raw meat and raw fat, cooked fat seems greasy and repulsive.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Max on June 08, 2011, 02:30:54 am
I found when I started out that raw bone marrow and raw backfat have really enjoyable flavors. I also find them to be good healing foods. I am such a carb addict, but I consider it a win if I stick to raw and don't binge on SAD foods. In the beginning of the diet I think it is about compromise and sticking to the best option you can handle at the moment.
I read something on the forum about how everyone has to 'pay their dues' when they go raw. I think thats true. I've certainly had many relapses into SAD. Plus you have to define what works for you, and that is an ever-changing definition.
Stick with it my friend, and I hope you feel better.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on June 09, 2011, 11:09:22 pm
Oh my god, my teeth hurt so bad. I cannot eat at all. It's not getting better and I'm getting to the point where I don't want to eat or drink anything at all.
I'm just in tears from pain, and I don't know what to do. I think I'm going to have to just go to the hospital and have them removed. I can't stand the thought of having them removed, even though they are hurting so much.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: CitrusHigh on June 09, 2011, 11:29:16 pm
Amris I know it probably sucks to have it repeated, but this is guaranteed to be detox. Can I recommend that you take egg smoothies for a while?
Mine are usually banana (adjust to desired sweetness, though considering your predicament you could replace with just a pinch of raw honey dissolved in water), 2-5 eggs (adjust to your desired level of egginess, take as many as you can handle) and raw cream if you can tolerate dairy, otherwise water or perhaps coconut or flax oil.
Also green veggies juices with parsley/cilantro as a base. You can also include, basil, cabbage, lettuce, celery, ginger, any kind of sweet pepper (or hot peppers, but go easy!) and anything else you can think of but be very easy on the root vegetables because of sugar content.
Raw (mesophilic) yogurt like filmolk is wonderful! Again, if you can tolerate dairy.
The pain, I know sucks, but you need to look to the light at the end of the tunnel, this doesn't happen overnight and is a result of past practices like cooking and other vectors of toxins. I promise things will get better, if you stick with it.
Liver cut in to very small pieces that you can drop in the back of the throat and swallow should suit you as well, same with any raw meat, you don't need to chew at all, because they're raw it's very easy for your gut to disassemble it.
You could also mix coconut oil with a bit of honey and or raw butter for a rich, smooth, gentle, decadent snack. But be careful with honey, like dairy, not everyone takes to it.
Basically process, juice, puree everything and maybe research foods that are high in opioids like raw dairy and do what you have to to cope with the pain. Cannabis cooked in to butter or milk or cream might be up your alley, however that is only going to mask the symptoms for a few hours at a time and it will have a body load accompanying it.
Good luck and keep us informed, we're here to support you!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on June 10, 2011, 01:56:26 am
But one of them is BROKEN. I mean, a chunk fell out of it.
I hate this so much. It hurts so much. :(
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: CitrusHigh on June 10, 2011, 02:15:14 am
Well you can certainly go the conventional route, but they're just going to fill your system with more toxins, which, unfortunately is what brought you to this experience in the first place, some sort of imbalance.
But maybe it could be the difference between saving your teeth and not, you'll have to look within for that wisdom, but I will tell you that if I were in your position I'd stay far away from mainstream medicine.
Do you have any suspect foods or habits for what is causing the pain? Are your teeth loose in the sockets?
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on June 10, 2011, 02:20:37 am
They're not loose. It's just any cold or hot thing, and on the right since it broke, it's any biting down or hot and cold.
It's like there are nerves exposed or something. ???
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: CitrusHigh on June 10, 2011, 02:21:10 am
Ok, after just reading over your posts, I'd say kick the honey immediately if you haven't already.
You need to focus on veggie juices and raw fats right now. I know your sitch sucks, but you're in it and if you can't afford a dentist anyway then you'll have to do the best you can.
It is important that you cut out all carbs/sugars/starches from plant sources and focus on green juices and fats. The faster you attack this the faster you can get over with it. Cut the honey though ~~!~~
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Sally S. on June 10, 2011, 02:53:48 am
Amris,
I'm so new, I have nothing to add except that I hate that you are in so much pain. :(
I do appreciate you keeping up your journal, even though you don't feel good. May I ask, were you doing non raw paleo first or did you just jump in cold turkey? I'm wondering if I may have some major detox issues if I started out non raw paleo first.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on June 10, 2011, 04:13:35 am
CitrusHigh, I can't really do juicing. I mean, I can, but it's not financially viable. Would a raw "green drink" work, even if it's got the whole vegetables in it? I can do that much, because I already have the raw powder (I was raw vegan for a bit, so I know it's definitely raw dehydrated greens).
I have already pretty much quit with the honey because I kind of got over it, lol.
I just got bananas... so I shouldn't eat them? Only what, meat and cream and the juicing I can't afford? ???
I think that pretty much leaves me starving aside from cream and what meat I can manage to get myself to eat... :o
I'm so new, I have nothing to add except that I hate that you are in so much pain. :(
I do appreciate you keeping up your journal, even though you don't feel good. May I ask, were you doing non raw paleo first or did you just jump in cold turkey? I'm wondering if I may have some major detox issues if I started out non raw paleo first.
I was not raw or paleo before starting. I'm still not 100% raw yet, and struggling to eat the meats raw. I'd say right now I'm about 80%+ raw... and not a whole lot of it is meats. My mind is still -v with raw meats, so that's a bit of a fight.
I've had a whopper of a last few days. My tooth broke a couple weeks ago, but now the pain has started and it just won't let up. :'(
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Sally S. on June 10, 2011, 07:04:46 am
When your teeth are better, you should try the 'raw' jerky. I just made some so my daughter can eat raw at school w/o everyone freaking out. It tastes pretty darn good too. (I got an old dehydrator at a garage sale a few years ago.)
I have a question for you, are you eating raw or cooked veggies? Would you mind sharing which ones? Making the raw meat switch isn't as hard as the idea of having to give up veggies. Am I missing something or does fresh fruit take center stage over veggies here? I don't mind eating fruit, but I wanted to keep my carb count low.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on June 10, 2011, 07:40:56 am
(This is prior to becoming unable to eat at all)
I eat veggies, but I have my own garden, so I don't find it too hard. I eat a bit of red lettuce. I wrap up some stuff in it, usually avocado, and eat that. I'm not fully raw, so I sometimes add something to make it tastier, like a bit of Bragg's aminos or some spices.
I was eating celery while I could still eat, lol. But again, I was eating it with other stuff, like I was eating raw almond butter with it (which I think we're not really supposed to have, either). I just make that in my food processor.
I eat zuchini in a "sauce" of nuts as sort of an "alfredo" but I use cream in the sauce, too. That's raw, too.
Tomato with a bit of cold-pressed oil on it and vinegar. But that's really more a fruit (despite recent FDA classification).
I also made some raw sour kraut. I eat that when the mood and desire strikes me.
I'm REALLY struggling to eat raw meat, and I'm finding most stuff just plain unappetizing. I don't like the cream-egg mixture. I don't like the meat really, no matter what I put with it.
I have a lot of raw recipes, but I doubt most of them are acceptable paleo. I notice that the paleos can get as miffed as the vegans if you stray, lol. I don't mean any disrespect to them, but I think a lot of them are "cold turkey" types, and I'm more of a "climb in slowly" type. I do best if I can make my "mistakes" and just feel like I'm "in process".
So I'm happy to give you some recipes if you like for raw foods. I can't promise they'll all be paleo, and I don't have many meat recipes as of yet. I was raw vegan for a while, so I'm not new to raw at all. It's adding meat and such that I'm finding hard. And the same militant kind of "that's not paleo!!!!" stuff that I got while raw vegan "that's not vegan!!!" I mean, you shoulda seen the shock and horror when I said I ate honey. :p It was a furor! :o
Anyway, happy to give you recipes if you wish them with regards to raw vegan stuff. Adjust accordingly to add meat or cheese or eggs as you do (or do not) eat them. One thing I really like a lot is using the dehydrator. I have found that meats and eggs respond well when added to other stuff, to make yummy concoctions.
For me, it's a work in progress. I am really pleased there are so many who can just cold turkey and everything works perfect for them. I am not one of them, and although I know peanut butter or almond butter is not paleo... it frankly makes it easier for me to stay on the path that points to proper paleo. I am struggling hugely with it in part due to my teeth, yet also because I feel like, "I've tried so many things, and they have all failed. How do I know I'm not just wasting my time AGAIN, and compromising my health even further?"
I feel strongly that raw is definitely the right direction for me. But raw vegan was an unmitigated disaster. I mean, on a gross scale. So I am hoping that moving into a raw paleo lifestyle will be the proper "raw" that I've been searching for.
I'm just trying not to get discouraged entirely, really.
So yeah. I eat veggies. But I can't really juice them, because then I waste the rest of it. And that creates fights with hubby... which in turn means I have to walk on eggshells at the store, which means less fresh raw foods, which... yeah. Round and round the merry-goes-round.
And now I r rambling like idiot. Will close... uh.. post.. now. ;D
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: CitrusHigh on June 10, 2011, 07:58:34 am
you can only do what you can Amris. Dehydrated veggies are zero substitute for raw. They're not bad, they just don't have any life force what so ever. You could do green smoothies, which are whole veggies mixed with a liquid and blended.
Whatever you have to do to get them in to you. They're not going to have the digestive potency of pressed veggies but they will provide benefit none the less, it is better than the alternative of nothing.
I'm pretty serious about the starches/sugars, they're no friend to you, later when you've healed you can afford to add them back in, but right now there's not much wiggle room, you have to do the best you can for your body.
So chopped meats swallowed whole and whatever you have to do to get raw, fresh, whole veggies in to you. If you can't afford produce from the store, then it is high time you start taking advantage of the abundant wild forage around you. Get a good wild edibles book from the library, one with big pictures (NOT sketches) and get out there and find them. Then blend them as mentioned before. You can eat the banana, but like I said, go easy on the sugars/starches.
Wild edibles might seem intimidating, but just get out there and do it. You have the internet at your disposal too. Google your area along with 'common wild edibles' or something to that effect, then study the pics or print them and go out and find them. It doesn't matter where you live, unless it's antarctica, there are always wild edibles, so no excuses, take control of your health right now!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Sally S. on June 10, 2011, 08:24:52 am
Oh thank you for explaining...I was raised an ovo/lacto vegetarian with the main part of every meal veggies, usually raw too. I am so glad I don't really have to give that up. I would love to see some of your raw veggie recipes! (My dear mother was a terrible cook! That is why they were usually raw! lol ) Thank you so much!
I have a good one to share with you (if you are up to eating tahini and like hummus). I found a recipe for 'paleo hummus' that uses raw zuchini rather than chick peas, lemon, tahini and raw garlic. It tastes exactly like if not better than hummus. I eat it on sliced cucumber or other veggie slices. TO DIE FOR!!
The jerky (I'll bet) can be made in a hot car too. (That was the method I used when I didn't have a dehydrator. Just put my herbs etc. on a flat clean basket, covered it with tuelle and set it on the dashboard. Parked in the sunshine with windows adjusted for heat levels.) It wasn't too hard to chew and tasted like real (healthy) jerky. I can't believe you tried raw chicken! That would be really hard for me. Right now I have a beer can chicken on the bar b que. I can't bring myself to eat any of it raw and I have to get rid of it somehow. I might be able to stomach raw turkey jerky...we'll see. -\
I too have a garden and put a ton of planning into it, so I'm so happy veggies are allowed. (Still trying to catch up here on info.)
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Max on June 10, 2011, 02:18:39 pm
Hey Amris,
I hope you are feeling better and you're pain is somewhat diminished. If you are comfortable with raw eggs, they would be a good way to get protein and fat into you're system, especially if you are having a tuff time with raw meat. Might I suggest trying some cooked very rare steak? Also for fats if you don't have access to animal fats like back fat, you can order some from Slankers website. In the mean time maybe try olive oil? Eat what you can raw but just try and eat healthy. I really hope the pain in your mouth/teeth goes away. CitrusHigh has some good advice try what you can of it.
Good Luck :)
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: HIT_it_RAW on June 10, 2011, 03:06:33 pm
Amris, If the detox pains are getting too much you can choose to slow the detox down or even stop it temporarily. Aajonus recommends the following to temporarily stop detox: Taking very hot baths 3 x a day. Drinking a mixture of lemon coconut cream and avacodos (equal parts). If that does not help eat a portion of cooked meat ones or twice a week to stop detox.
Cooked meat sure isn't healthy but it will slow down detox. You could also go the other way round and speed up detox to get over it as soon as possible. Eating a whole unripe ananas together with large amounts of raw butter(at least half a block) speeds up detox. This might make you very miserable including diarrhea and headaches. I did that and was miserable for 4 days. Felt a lot better afterwards so it was worth it.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: HIT_it_RAW on June 10, 2011, 03:43:19 pm
Citrushighs advice is good. Wild veggies are very good. I would blend my green veggies with water like he's suggesting, only I strain them afterwards to get the fiber out. Makes the digest 10x faster. I often add some powdered organic raw egg shell. Provides a lot of magnesium and calcium. If you dink a green juice/smoothy make sure you eat plenty raw fat with it. The greens free toxins from the body the fat is necessary to transport them out of the body otherwise they get reabsorbed.
In general if you're detoxing eat loads of raw fat to aid in dissolving and transporting toxins. If you eat butter the upside is that it is also soothing and reduces pain. If you can handle raw dairy drinking milk with honey also reduces pain.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on June 15, 2011, 10:40:58 pm
Thanks H_I_R :)
I'm going to the dentist in 5 weeks. I'm giving it that long to have a chance to help the tooth in some way... but I don't know how I'm going to get through it.
I'm still eating majority raw. I've gotten in some raw calf liver each day. I'm really struggling with the butter. For some reason, it bothers me, like it seems grossly fatty and unpleasant.
Not fully raw yet, but I'm having a huge problem with getting food into me... I can't chew anything so it's all shakes...
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: HIT_it_RAW on June 16, 2011, 04:26:35 am
I'm going to the dentist in 5 weeks. I'm giving it that long to have a chance to help the tooth in some way... but I don't know how I'm going to get through it.
I'm still eating majority raw. I've gotten in some raw calf liver each day. I'm really struggling with the butter. For some reason, it bothers me, like it seems grossly fatty and unpleasant.
Not fully raw yet, but I'm having a huge problem with getting food into me... I can't chew anything so it's all shakes...
mixing equal part of raw honey and butter might help. This is so delicious you will wanna eat it ;D If the honey doesn't hurt your teeth off course. What i often do is make milkshakes aajonus style. I put 0,5ltr milk quite a bit of butter (50-100grams?) a few eggs and a bit of honey in a jar this a put in warm (not hot) water and let it stand for 30 mins. That way all ingredients are just above room temp (30 degrees celcius or so) Then a blend them to a thick creamy shake. If you blend it with cold ingredient it wont mix properly. Sometimes i add a tomato.
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: Amris on June 20, 2011, 08:45:11 pm
Well, I'm still going at it. Excessively busy right now.
But I'm continuing to lose weight, that's good news...
However, the broken tooth is getting worse, though the other is getting a bit better. Although it's getting worse, though, the sharp shooting pains aren't happening, which is really good news... just [less] pain is happening more often.
Sorry, I've not got a lot of time right now. I'm reading but too busy to really keep up with comments and stuff right now. Should be better tomorrow.
Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: "Are You Really Gonna Eat that Raw?"
Post by: CitrusHigh on June 27, 2011, 12:02:55 pm
I know in this or another post you were asking about ways to eat raw butter without needing to chew, I think, well I had some capra/honey goat cheese fall in to my container of raw butter tonight and I stuck my finger in and pulled out the cheese along with an equal portion of butter and it was quite delicious, so you might consider either blending the two (or a similar soft cheese) or spreading one on the other, the goat cheese is firm enough that you could spread butter over it. No chewing necessary, but lots of savoring!